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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/21/new-york-state-offers-500-reward-for-reporting-illegal-gun-owners/?test=latestnews#ixzz2OArnmmTl
Nearly a year before signing the nation's most stringent gun control measure into law, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo launched a hotline that allows state residents to report illegal gun owners in exchange for a $500 reward.
New Yorkers can call the "Gun Tip Line" if they believe someone they know has an illegal gun. Hotline calls are answered by state police and tips are referred to local law enforcement, the station reported.
“This initiative seeks to turn neighbor against neighbor and use their own tax dollars to pay for the $500 reward,” Republican Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin told the station.
Moose-Knuckle
03-21-13, 18:23
“This initiative seeks to turn neighbor against neighbor and use their own tax dollars to pay for the $500 reward,” Republican Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin told the station.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
Hummmm......
Maybe a local news paper should file a freedom of information request to get the names and addresses of those the get a reward and post it on line.....
Hummmm......
Maybe a local news paper should file a freedom of information request to get the names and addresses of those the get a reward and post it on line.....
And map it w/google maps...
So I assume that anyone can make any claim and have some goober east coast LE clowns ran-sack their homes??
So I assume that anyone can make any claim and have some goober east coast LE clowns ran-sack their homes??
.......and some nosey neighbor getting their ass beat.
See something, say something. Is it not a hallmark of tyrant states that they employee neighborhood snitches? And teach kids in school to rat on their parents? Iron curtain countries, Nazi Germany, modern day China, etc.
See something, say something. Is it not a hallmark of tyrant states that they employee neighborhood snitches? And teach kids in school to rat on their parents? Iron curtain countries, Nazi Germany, modern day China, etc.
Absolutely. I hate that State. Obama must be proud of New York. They're even more FuX0red than California.
Crow Hunter
03-22-13, 14:51
Flood the lines with calls about Bloomberg and Cuomo's security guards.
Undoubtedly they are carrying magazines with more than 7 rounds and probably some evil black assault rifles too.
Flood the lines with calls about Bloomberg and Cuomo's security guards.
Undoubtedly they are carrying magazines with more than 7 rounds and probably some evil black assault rifles too.
My father and I both work in NYC. On separate occasions we both say Bloomberg's body guards with what appeared to be MP5s behind their jackets, getting into blacked out Chevy SUVs
Alaskapopo
03-22-13, 16:57
So I assume that anyone can make any claim and have some goober east coast LE clowns ran-sack their homes??
An anonymous tip is not enough for a search warrant to search your home.
Pat
An anonymous tip is not enough for a search warrant to search your home.
Pat
That may be the law, but now what they are trying to do in NY. Its typical Gestapo/NKVD/KGB tactic...
Alaskapopo
03-22-13, 17:07
That may be the law, but now what they are trying to do in NY. Its typical Gestapo/NKVD/KGB tactic...
Its case law and if they violate it they will be paying out big money to the citizens whose rights they trample. The NRA and others would love to pay for the law suits I am sure. Also if its an intentional violation of civil rights under the color of authority the officers and supervisors all the way up the chain of command can be charged and go to prision.
Pat
Flood the lines with calls about Bloomberg and Cuomo's home addresses.
Fixed.
Belmont31R
03-22-13, 18:09
That may be the law, but now what they are trying to do in NY. Its typical Gestapo/NKVD/KGB tactic...
Just wait til you leave and they intimidate your wife...
Anyone have a Hi-Point to spare? My neighbor is an asshole and I want $500.
Anyone have a Hi-Point to spare? My neighbor is an asshole and I want $500.
No doubt. There won't be any abuse of that scam at all.:rolleyes:
So I assume that anyone can make any claim and have some goober east coast LE clowns ran-sack their homes??
Of course, having your home ransacked does mean they got a search warrant either. As I understand it, the police are not required to tell you the truth about the law or what may or may not happen to you. So they can lie about the dire consequences you face and that you may have broken some law and only the guilty refuse permission to search.
If you are intimidated by a squad of officers at your front door demanding entry you might make the mistake of saying OK go ahead and search. "We know you have an AR15, M1 Garand, Pmags, and two Glocks in this house! Let us search or we will haul your sorry ass in for questioning!! Do it now!"
Hopefully you don't have a dog on the premises barking at them and making them fear bodily injury. DOOM on you poor stupid citizen, not knowing your rights and not standing up to police demands (that is, DOOM on you for showing respect or fear).
It may seem anti-climatic later on when your attorney informs you that at the time you did have the right to decline permission to search and ask the SWAT team to get out of your rose bed and off your porch.
The problem is that many, or even most deputies and police officers would not behave this way. But the LAW permits them to do so, and some of them take advantage of that. We expect it to be used sparingly for tracking down child rapists or murderers, but nothing prevents them from using such tactics for more benign offenses like possession violations. When a certain number of these events become public then yes, the public begins to distrust the police in general. I have never heard of one police organization categorically condemning the tactic itself or specific officers for using it inappropriately. If an organization will not police its own members on professional standards then don't be surprised is the public tars the whole membership with the brush of shame brought on by the fraction of abusers.
An anonymous tip is not enough for a search warrant to search your home.
Pat
What level of information is cause for a warrant? Would a tip from a neighbor who (coincidentally has a property line/fence dispute with you) claims he saw you with a rifle through the window be enough? How about a "friend" who visited you last month and saw your gun collection? Ex-wife ("Oh gawd, that SOB has an entire armory and ammo dump stashed in the basement! You should haul his sorry ass in for sure!")? One of your kids telling the teacher when pressed with questions that, "Oh sure, Daddy has a cool black rifle that shoots lots of bullets, it is so much fun!"
I don't think gun owners are concerned about the stranger who calls in on a wild guess. The concern is about a govt that enlists the people you trust in your life, or had trusted at one time, and paying them to rat you out.
Belmont31R
03-22-13, 18:52
An anonymous tip is not enough for a search warrant to search your home.
Pat
But they can just pay some random crack addict to become a confidential informant, and bypass that ole thing.
Magic_Salad0892
03-22-13, 19:00
I think we should all call it, and just give them the names of cops, and security guards.
Alaskapopo
03-22-13, 20:48
But they can just pay some random crack addict to become a confidential informant, and bypass that ole thing.
No the reliablity of the informant has to be established. As one who has written more than my share of warrants while working in investigations I can tell you its not as easy as you seem to think. Abuses do occure when magistrates make the wrong call but they generally get figured out in higher courts down the road.
To get a warrant you need to have fresh information about the violation of the law from a reliable source. If you get an anonomous tip you need to verify some of the information. Example you get an tip that someone is selling drugs out of their home and they get a shipment in every wednesday at midnight. You need to do surveilance and establish that someone is indeed coming to their home on the night in question. There is plenty of case law on this topic. But simply put the SAFE ACT does not nulify New York residents 4th amendment rights as much as Bloomberg would like it to.
That said people need to know their rights and realize when a cop asks you for your consent to come into and search your home you don't have to say yes.
Pat
Flood the lines with calls about Bloomberg and Cuomo's security guards.
Undoubtedly they are carrying magazines with more than 7 rounds and probably some evil black assault rifles too.
That is what I was thinking get track phone and drive throught neighborhoods getting addresses of people with obmam stickers or a Cuomo sigh during election season.
But really couldn't that money be used for much better things.
So I assume that anyone can make any claim and have some goober east coast LE clowns ran-sack their homes??
That's nothing new, you can make that claim on terrorism since 9/11/01...:suicide:
Larry Vickers
03-23-13, 09:10
I think Cuomo and Bloomberg should change their last names to Himmler and Heydrich
They are sure as Hell following the same path....
New Yorkers you need to FIGHT BACK with everything in your power - don't think this is going to go away without you pushing back hard
Study a bit of German 1930's history to see where things are going...
ICANHITHIMMAN
03-23-13, 09:37
I think Cuomo and Bloomberg should change their last names to Himmler and Heydrich
They are sure as Hell following the same path....
New Yorkers you need to FIGHT BACK with everything in your power - don't think this is going to go away without you pushing back hard
Study a bit of German 1930's history to see where things are going...
Lav
I think most of us are doing everything in our power. I sent you the entire copy with the names included from the NYSP. I really don't know what else to do? Most of us are now banned from posting on all their social media sites, they don't answer the phones and their email links are dead. It seams like we have a rally every week, there is a motion and a petition to impeach cumo, the troopers are in the process of undermining there union from within and over 90% of our county's have signed resolutions in defiance of the SAFE act. The NYS association of county clerks told them no, the Sheriffs association told them no. These freedoms are not well understood by most even police officers, I have realized that for most people these rights were inherited and only those who served really have an understanding of there meaning. For most they just have a flawed fundamental understanding of "equal protection under the law". I welcome you advice, I have asked every member here for there advice in my other thread. I am not one of the troopers who spent years in the process of obtaining the job, but a few of my best friends are and they are throwing it all away over this. They have marked them selves for all of us they are all vets. Please don't think we are not trying , we all realize this fight effects everyone of us and we want to win. Short of storming the capital and removing him we are taking every action with in our scope of understanding. We have a contact at fox behind the scenes so we are very aware of the medias plans as well.
I think Cuomo and Bloomberg should change their last names to Himmler and Heydrich
They are sure as Hell following the same path....
New Yorkers you need to FIGHT BACK with everything in your power - don't think this is going to go away without you pushing back hard
Study a bit of German 1930's history to see where things are going...
I'd like to laugh at the Nazi comparison but it is absolutely scary correct! It's hard for me to believe this shit is happening in this country...:mad:
Heartland Hawk
03-23-13, 12:42
I watch this from the comfort of a very free state; that is South Dakota. Words cannot describe the anger I feel for the NYS govt, and the New York City mayor. I am horrified by what you guys have to deal with. I give as much money as I can afford (several hundreds of dollars a year) to GOA and the 2nd amendment foundation. Outside of this, how can out of stater's help? I understand that this is EVERYBODY's FIGHT.
All I've got:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e200/eodinert/big-brother-cuomo_zps2447dd18.jpg
I think Cuomo and Bloomberg should change their last names to Himmler and Heydrich
They are sure as Hell following the same path....
New Yorkers you need to FIGHT BACK with everything in your power - don't think this is going to go away without you pushing back hard
Study a bit of German 1930's history to see where things are going...
There are a lot of parallels between what we are seeing and fascism but what we are seeing is more due to the Fabian type of thinking. The Fabians want to move us to world socialism but I think we'll end up with fascism/national socialism. Either way it means less freedom, more nanny state.
Show me a politician or media type that is now viewed as a 'nanny stater' and I'll show you someone who has been in favor of gun control/gun bans for decades.
There is no place for guns in Utopia and Utopia is the opiate of Fabians, Progressives, Liberals etc.
ICANHITHIMMAN
03-24-13, 07:38
There are a lot of parallels between what we are seeing and fascism but what we are seeing is more due to the Fabian type of thinking. The Fabians want to move us to world socialism but I think we'll end up with fascism/national socialism. Either way it means less freedom, more nanny state.
Show me a politician or media type that is now viewed as a 'nanny stater' and I'll show you someone who has been in favor of gun control/gun bans for decades.
There is no place for guns in Utopia and Utopia is the opiate of Fabians, Progressives, Liberals etc.
Good point, I have one liberal friend and I can really see this in him.
Good point, I have one liberal friend and I can really see this in him.
Read up on the Fabians, what they are about and how they think they should implement their goals. For good measure throw in the Frankfurt Institute, they invented PC.
All you really need to know about the Fabians is they are socialists and want to achieve socialism via peaceful means AND their logo is wolf in sheep's clothing.
But to fight them you'll need to learn about them & their methods. Just know the idea of the 'watch dog media' is long gone. Most in the MSM are Fabians/socialist/national socialists. The are now really the 'Service Dog Media'. But we have the internet and YouTube as well as places like this.
ETA: Hope I'm not sounding too preachy.
Moose-Knuckle
03-25-13, 02:42
I think Cuomo and Bloomberg should change their last names to Himmler and Heydrich
They are sure as Hell following the same path....
New Yorkers you need to FIGHT BACK with everything in your power - don't think this is going to go away without you pushing back hard
Study a bit of German 1930's history to see where things are going...
Read up on the Fabians, what they are about and how they think they should implement their goals. For good measure throw in the Frankfurt Institute, they invented PC.
All you really need to know about the Fabians is they are socialists and want to achieve socialism via peaceful means AND their logo is wolf in sheep's clothing.
But to fight them you'll need to learn about them & their methods. Just know the idea of the 'watch dog media' is long gone. Most in the MSM are Fabians/socialist/national socialists. The are now really the 'Service Dog Media'. But we have the internet and YouTube as well as places like this.
ETA: Hope I'm not sounding too preachy.
Like frogs in a pot of boiling water . . .
A Teacher's Guide To The Holocaust: The Nazification of Germany (http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/timeline/nazifica.htm)
DEMOCIDE: MURDER BY GOVERNMENT (http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MURDER.HTM)
Like frogs in a pot of boiling water . . .
A Teacher's Guide To The Holocaust: The Nazification of Germany (http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/timeline/nazifica.htm)
On February 27, 1933, the Reichstag building went up in flames. Nazis immediately claimed that this was the beginning of a Communist revolution. This fact leads many historians to believe that Nazis actually set, or help set the fire. Others believe that a deranged Dutch Communist set the fire. The issue has never been resolved. This incident prompted Hitler to convince Hindenburg to issue a Decree for the Protection of People and State that granted Nazis sweeping power to deal with the so-called emergency. This laid the foundation for a police state.
I have believed for quite a while that the dems/progressives/socialists are trying to push the buttons of us conservatives/traditionalist to the point one, just one reacts. Then they will have the excuse they need to really strip away rights.
Call me nuts if you wish.
Larry Vickers
03-25-13, 10:49
I remember watching one of the countless WW II documentaries in the past and the point as made if your leanings are far enough to the right and someone else's are far enough to the left ( specifically Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union under Stalin ) that you will eventually meet in the middle
I always thought that was a very thoughtful way of looking at it as in my opinion it is spot on
If jack booted thugs are sending you and your family away to labor camps does it really matter if they are Gestapo or NKVD ? Or if their motivation is right wing or left wing beliefs ?
I remember watching one of the countless WW II documentaries in the past and the point as made if your leanings are far enough to the right and someone else's are far enough to the left ( specifically Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union under Stalin ) that you will eventually meet in the middle
Kind of like when the extreme left was calling for NRA execs to be shot?
They were so whacked out the irony was lost on them.
brickboy240
03-25-13, 12:20
Unfortunately...this is where we are headed.
One huge reason why I do not want a CCW or gun decals on my cars and don't advertise guns or gun ownership.
It just puts you on the "radar screen" for crazy attention from the gun haters. Attention I really do not want...thank you.
Sad we have to live this way but we don't make the rules on this anymore.
-brickboy240
Unfortunately...this is where we are headed.
One huge reason why I do not want a CCW or gun decals on my cars and don't advertise guns or gun ownership.
It just puts you on the "radar screen" for crazy attention from the gun haters. Attention I really do not want...thank you.
There's a certain wisdom in that... but on the other hand if everyone who owned a gun stood up, we'd find that we are in the vast majority.
brickboy240
03-25-13, 14:44
Yes, but not everyone that owned a car came out against the national 55mph speed limit, either.
Not everyone that owns gun is a right winger or even remotely interested in promoting gun ownership. Many have no idea what is going on in NY or CO right now. Some that own expensive o/u shotguns only think that the anti-gun measures are for "those other people" and not about taking their pretty quail/pheasant gun away.
Then, there are other gun owners that DID vote for Obama...maybe for other reasons, like they liked the healthcare issue or his environment stances. Who knows?
I think we are doing ourselves a disservice by thinking that everybody that owns a gun is 100% on the side of gun rights or is actively tuned in....or wants to be on the front lines fighting this battle.
Sort of how some think that because there is an "R" behind their rep's name....he/she is automatically a supporter of the 2nd amendment and gun rights.
We cannot fall for this notion...sorry. Would it be nice? Oh yes but I would not count on it.
-brickboy240
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