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We're all worried about anti-rotation and this company comes out with something....new....:suicide:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=vb.135057639957008&type=2
I think I had a look of confusion on my face for about 15 minutes after I found this.
Didn't see any other topics on this using the orange search button...
That thing should come with clown shoes
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Was kinda expecting some cinderblock smashing or hay bale jumping...
malstew123
03-22-13, 18:50
Pincus approved...'nuff said. ;)
The video demonstrations are good for a laugh. Clearly this is marketed toward the people who are gonna bolt more shit on their rifle than they are ever gonna need. Considering that there are already off-set mounts for lights/irons/RDS and so forth, this seems like solution for a nonexistant problem.
So... I wonder how well those rail mounted optics hold zero.
Fuzzy-Reticle
03-22-13, 19:09
Why make this? For the life of me I can not think of a good reason you would want your rail to rotate like this.
fail wagon
03-22-13, 19:14
Thats up there for some of the worst gun products ever :suicide:
Offset rds that can be set to 45 deg to the right or left... redundant if you have an rds + magnifier combo already. Possibly worth it for an ambidexrious user clearing a shoothouse with a rifle that absolutely must have a traditional scope on it while not being free floated.
Maybe an offset vfg would be more comfortable to hold than a perfectly vertical one.
Aaaaaaand that's all that I can come up with.
http://www.elftmanntactical.com/
this thing is also nominated for worst product ever
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If you don't sacrifice any weight or durability for the rotating rail then I don't see a problem... but yeah, it is inevitable that some people are going to do silly things with it and think they are clever.
Tailor made for this guy
http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/333299000/333299590/pix130863363.jpg
http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/333299000/333299590/pix966600358.jpg
get the rotating rail on the sum bitch and the slide fire stock and we are in business boys!
:suicide:
Rob Pincus approved...must be good
dumbest product EVER
I thought about it Rob...wait for it....wait for it.................LAME
El Pistolero
03-22-13, 20:00
http://www.troll.me/images/brick-tamland/lmao-seriously.jpg
jonconsiglio
03-22-13, 20:01
That was Rob Pinkus with the beard, right? That guy is a tool.
Now, if only Sonny Puzikas and James Yeager would jump on board! He could have a GPS unit rotate into view that shows him which direction to run.
malstew123
03-22-13, 20:11
The rotating rail fills a niche amongst certain consumers just like the paintball trigger. However, given the potential of all mechanical devices to malfunction, I see this as a waste of money/liability. Its "cool" from a standpoint of modularity, but is best left on guns not intended to be used for self defense IMO.
Why?, cause **** your zero, that's why.
Tailor made for this guy
http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/333299000/333299590/pix130863363.jpg
http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/333299000/333299590/pix966600358.jpg
get the rotating rail on the sum bitch and the slide fire stock and we are in business boys!
:suicide:
haha Aimpoint Micro, Eotech, and a cheap ass chinese magnifier.
Mother of God,
what, who, why, ah **** it its not worth the headache.
What! where is the AK model?
It serves no real use when using a firearm in its intended purposes.
mastiffhound
03-22-13, 21:56
I saw this on a video during shot show, dumbest mall ninja shit I've seen since the "TactiKool" lever action from Mossberg.
That was Rob Pinkus with the beard, right? That guy is a tool.
Now, if only Sonny Puzikas and James Yeager would jump on board! He could have a GPS unit rotate into view that shows him which direction to run.
That's bad.:p:D. Marked for life.
I saw this on a video during shot show, dumbest mall ninja shit I've seen since the "TactiKool" lever action from Mossberg.
http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Mossberg-464-ZMB-Lever-Action-Rifle.jpg
Is this it? I have never seen something so ridiculous in my life! :lol:
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/wtf-is-this-shit-240x180.jpg
http://www.elftmanntactical.com/
this thing is also nominated for worst product ever
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Handled it at SHOT. Weighs a ton. Well designed but ultimately pointless.
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http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/316857_256389757745947_1155347638_n.jpg
It was a fun thread.
Thanks for the laugh M4C.
^ dude you got like 6 inches of air.
But I'm working hard at it broski.
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2011/07/21/crossfit-shooting-range-workout-operators-only/
Tunes....by the Nuge.
Magic_Salad0892
03-23-13, 03:01
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/316857_256389757745947_1155347638_n.jpg
There... there are no words...
the blonde demonstrating the rotation of the rail did get my attention;)
But I'm working hard at it broski.
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2011/07/21/crossfit-shooting-range-workout-operators-only/
Tunes....by the Nuge.
Is there any other video of this? I can't get it to play.
ChrisCross
03-24-13, 10:58
Probably need professional body builder arms to keep this on target for any amount of time.
My wimpy little arms shudder at the thought (or they might be shuddering from too many 12oz curls)... probably both.
twistedcomrade
03-24-13, 12:41
Wow, what will they think of next? There is probably a group buy thread going on over at TOS.
Serial_killer
03-24-13, 12:51
Not arguing THIS point but there is a need, in other platforms, for the rotating hand guard. I put a red lion (http://www.redlionprecision.com/) hand guard on the keltec sub2000 I gave my sister and bro-in-law. I only put on a set of rail mounted irons so I don't know how precise it was in terms of MOA but for any range they'll ever encounter it returned to zero well enough to work.
Pinkus will keep playing with guns until he shoots himself...:suicide:
i can see some agency trying to use it, having problems and someone gets hurt over it. Next bald bearded idiot gets taken to court.
Is there any other video of this? I can't get it to play.
LMFAO It's on youtube
search "crossfit Rob Pincus"
grab some tissues :)
LMFAO It's on youtube
search "crossfit Rob Pincus"
grab some tissues :)
For some reason it wouldn't play last night but I just watched it. That's a cute pigeon tattoo he has on his side:p.
That rail has got to be one of the dumbest things I have ever seen for the AR platform. I award no points for this gunshow special.
For some reason it wouldn't play last night but I just watched it. That's a cute pigeon tattoo he has on his side:p.
http://youtu.be/jOg25HlBNiU?t=2m12s
WickedWillis
03-25-13, 16:33
Thats up there for some of the worst gun products ever :suicide:
Next to the bump-fire system.
Rob Pincus appeals to the "ninja" warriors for sure....:nono::nono::nono:
Tell me how your knee feels after you do this...DUMB...at least wear some knee pads if you are going to hit the deck like that...prevent injury...idiot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvzjDT3AGgQ
Looks like a workout injury/ND waiting to happen.
It's good to keep muscle tone and build endurance,but should be kept as a separate excercise from actual sensible firearms training.
Let's just pray for the man,that he doesn't lose anything more important than a big toe while he's doing backflips like Daffy Duck.
That's a shame about Pincus. Back when he was involved with a couple of the firearm shows on The Outdoor Channel, he was probably one of the few guys that had anything sensible to say/teach.
Daniel Defense really needs to distance themselves from this guy. I don't know how you go from Larry Vickers to this clown.
They should get a restraining order mandating he keep at least 500 yards away from any of their rifles, or even mentioning their name, lol.
As for the workout, it manages to combine completely unnecessary and repeated kneecap-smashing with kettlebell flipping jack-assery, two things that every workout could do without. If you're going to start mixing exercise with shooting for "realism", maybe do some running since if it should ever, ever come down to using your firearm in serious no-bullshit encounter, 99.9% chance you're gonna be running and not doing knee-switches, flipping ****ing kettlebells or doing mother****ing situps upside-down.
Holy ****.
i like the pointing the muzzle at his knees during upside down shooting
i like the pointing the muzzle at his knees during upside down shooting
Yup freaking mall ninjas...anything to make a buck I guess:nono::nono::nono:PINCUS
TriviaMonster
03-27-13, 00:31
Ballista is selling them for $439 on their site :eek: :banghead: I guess there is always Christmas...
Their site also has some great pics of what you would want to do with this gizmo.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/27/nezehadu.jpg
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That's a shame about Pincus. Back when he was involved with a couple of the firearm shows on The Outdoor Channel, he was probably one of the few guys that had anything sensible to say/teach.
Pincus is a turd of the highest order. He is a laughing stock to the real trainers. I have personally heard several former Tier 1's comment on multiple absurd methodologies espoused by this snake oil salesman.
I'm waiting for the motorized version....
Man... I often dream about combining guns and crossfit. Mostly just by going through my gym and shooting people doing crossfit......
This rail is f****** gay and Pincus is f****** gay
theblackknight
09-13-13, 02:51
Pincus is a turd of the highest order. He is a laughing stock to the real trainers. I have personally heard several former Tier 1's comment on multiple absurd methodologies espoused by this snake oil salesman.
Dimes.
Drop them
sent from mah gun,using my sights
Knyghtmare
09-13-13, 05:18
I can't for the life of me find the post on their facebook page anymore, but that company compared this rotating monstrosity to the quality of Daniel Defense, LaRue and Spikes. The specific three that they named.
Grand58742
09-13-13, 05:19
Just wondering if it's strong enough to break a cinder block?
What in the nine hells is that supposed to do or be worth?? :eek:
Okay...who wants to bet this shows up in the next action flick? Expendables 3? come'on betcha! :D
http://content.ll-0.com/valhalla/word_images/4172314_image004.jpg?i=112911194716
Swamp Yankee
09-13-13, 11:20
http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae107/wbartosik/814aeee0-fdd2-4493-84f0-02be8d29042f_zpse476f383.jpg
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/601738_509457859115064_1415536401_n.jpg
I'm sorry Mr. Santoro, I'm sorry........
http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae107/wbartosik/814aeee0-fdd2-4493-84f0-02be8d29042f_zpse476f383.jpg
He starts flipping backwards and throwing a hatchet/shovel we know just who he's imitating....
Question is why don't he just grab an AK and get it over with?? :jester:
jonconsiglio
09-13-13, 13:37
He came on another forum last year when people were talking a little smack and his posts were so unbelievable arrogant and full of himself that I was actually shocked. He lost any chance of ever earning my respect when that happened.
It is crystal clear what motivates him and what he's willing to do to earn a buck. If love to see him come here or lightfighter and act the way he did before.
Knyghtmare
09-13-13, 15:39
This is just so laughable. Watching all their videos only reminds me of this:
http://www.etymoticdefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/tacticoolAR15.jpg
I guy in the carbine class I was in had one of these ridiculous dumb rails...at the end we got to handle students rifles. That stupid Rob Pincus crap approved rail almost fell apart in my hand.
He came on another forum last year when people were talking a little smack and his posts were so unbelievable arrogant and full of himself that I was actually shocked. He lost any chance of ever earning my respect when that happened.
It is crystal clear what motivates him and what he's willing to do to earn a buck. If love to see him come here or lightfighter and act the way he did before.
He was on M4C recently doing that.
.46caliber
09-14-13, 00:24
http://content.ll-0.com/valhalla/word_images/4172314_image004.jpg?i=112911194716
You see, when a Rocky falls in love with a Rambo...
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It is crystal clear what motivates him and what he's willing to do to earn a buck. If love to see him come here or lightfighter and act the way he did before.
Seeing him trying to peddle his wares on Lightfighter would make my month.
A site sponsor is behind this thing. Be nice. LoL
jonconsiglio
09-14-13, 02:35
He was on M4C recently doing that.
Now that I think about it, that doesn't surprise me.
Honestly, that rail looks like a decent concept, given a couple factors of moderation. It replaces the existing rail, so it (hopefully) wouldn't add too much extra weight. The examples in some of those videos can be valid solutions for people in specific circumstances.
Granted, it's a niche that is largely unneeded or can be addressed by other means, but it doesn't look like a bad idea.
Now, if it's considerably heavier than a standard rail, that's probably a big enough counter to the people who would actually need such a solution. And if it doesn't lock reliably or solid, it's more of a liability.
Beyond those two potential points, the only BAD thing about the product seems to be the abuse it will receive from mall ninjas tacking on as many accessories as possible. And perhaps the fact that it's being promoted by someone you don't like.
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OKTribalCop
09-15-13, 10:12
Those videos remind me of this dumbshit!
http://youtu.be/u3nAuowwqhI
I guess you could put a different grip on each of the front rails and then a different optic on the back set of rails. Then you could walk around rotating that stupid thing for different grips and different scopes. :blink:
What little I know of R.P. I watched on the "Outdoor Channel" and he seemed credible.
I witnessed no ludicrous or dangerous exercises as part of a shooting regimen.
Until now...
Anyone have a clue as to why the guy seems to have gone off the rails...?
Whoops, I didn't realize I'd made a very bad pun with my last post - not intentional.
So, I'll restate: Anyone have an idea of why he appeared credible (at least for awhile) and then wandered off the path of credibility?
I'll feel kinda bad for the guy as he was someone I thought knew his stuff.
No, he's been a vat of used douche for pretty much the entire time.
He seemed and appeared credible, and continues to do so because most American gun owners think of John Woo films as firearms training.
Say it isn't so, John Woo ISN'T a major leader of firearms training?
Who Knew?
Thanks for the heads up JSantoro - I'll be watching for R.P.'s T.V. stuff with a lot more critical eye...perhaps there's a huge vein of unintentional comedy there to be mined...(if in fact he's still on T.V.?)
SilverBullet432
09-16-13, 09:05
the first time i heard of RP was in DDs ads, he seemed legit. now after seeing this, my view on him has done an about face.
I'll be quite honest with you...when DD partnered with this idiot Rob Pincus...I lost a bit of respect for DD. How do you go from a great guy like the LAV to an urban ninja wanna-be idiot...now Costa lost some respect from me as well when he started doing this Zombie crap.
Now I do give Rob credit for doing things to make him money. My question does any of the other real trainers out there call this guy out? or is it even worth wasting oxygen?
SilverBullet432
09-16-13, 12:19
im sure they just shake their heads, and keep walking.
GUNSLINGER733
09-16-13, 19:44
Ballista rail = :suicide2: fail
I'll be quite honest with you...when DD partnered with this idiot Rob Pincus...I lost a bit of respect for DD. How do you go from a great guy like the LAV to an urban ninja wanna-be idiot...now Costa lost some respect from me as well when he started doing this Zombie crap.
Now I do give Rob credit for doing things to make him money. My question does any of the other real trainers out there call this guy out? or is it even worth wasting oxygen?
I hadn't seen Costas new "venture" until that. For ****s sake what in the hell is he thinking
I can't for the life of me find the post on their facebook page anymore, but that company compared this rotating monstrosity to the quality of Daniel Defense, LaRue and Spikes. The specific three that they named.
On their website, they compare it to a KAC RAS, DD Omega and Larue Carbine length and then tell you it's an MSRP of $439, BUT they have a limited quantity to sell just to get the word out. So, for a limited time you can have this rail for just $199... :bad:
If Billy Mays was still around, they would've dressed him and Pincus in cammies and done a damn DR TV spot for this thing...:fie:
I'm just a straight civilian with no Mil/LE experience and sometimes I feel a bit mall ninja-ish because I have an eotech and magnifier on my rifle.
I'm surprised that people buy things like this and the accutact angle sight, but maybe those folks are acting out fantasies like the people that go to ComiCon and get all dressed up like a videogame character. Or, they're just morons.
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This Prepping stuff is getting a lot of attention & for good reason given the fallout of Katrina, the Joplin tornado, and Sandy. I live in a seismic zone, so I can see the value in preparing for a disaster. I haven't seen the Operation Z stuff, but I'll bet that it targets a wider audience than Costa's core firearms curriculum. If his goal is to teach people how to properly use firearms for defense, is there any harm in trying to expand his influence?
Seeing as how one of his vids is in NC, I'd like to see Pat show up and butt**** his soul.
On topic of the rail- Someone will buy it...
WickedWillis
09-18-13, 11:29
Yeah I really agree with the last point you made. Us serious shooters blew off the whole "Zombie" deal that's been going on for a few years, but it's been a cash cow for the industry and brought in a ton of new shooters. Some good, some bad.
There is a ton of chest thumping self proclaimed badasses on this site, and yeah Pincus is a bit of a douche in how he carries himself, but he sells his product and is great at teaching new shooters. I do not discredit DD for using him to represent their product, it does not change the quality or the integrity of their outstanding company.
The show "Doomsday Preppers" is extremely popular and it is helping to mainstream Prepping, and the learning and teaching of survival skills, which is a very good thing. I was fortunate enough to grow up camping and hunting and fishing in Montana so I have sound fundamental survival skills, but there are millions of people (especially in cities) that do not.
As for this rail, it seems to me it is completely unnecessary and nowhere near the quality and performance of LaRue, DD or any other respected manufacturer. One of my local gun stores had a flyer on it awhile back. I asked them a little bit about it, and the guy was heralding it as the 2nd coming. I just laughed and have taken my business elsewhere.
On their website, they compare it to a KAC RAS, DD Omega and Larue Carbine length and then tell you it's an MSRP of $439, BUT they have a limited quantity to sell just to get the word out. So, for a limited time you can have this rail for just $199... :bad:
If Billy Mays was still around, they would've dressed him and Pincus in cammies and done a damn DR TV spot for this thing...:fie:
I'm just a straight civilian with no Mil/LE experience and sometimes I feel a bit mall ninja-ish because I have an eotech and magnifier on my rifle.
I'm surprised that people buy things like this and the accutact angle sight, but maybe those folks are acting out fantasies like the people that go to ComiCon and get all dressed up like a videogame character. Or, they're just morons.
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This Prepping stuff is getting a lot of attention & for good reason given the fallout of Katrina, the Joplin tornado, and Sandy. I live in a seismic zone, so I can see the value in preparing for a disaster. I haven't seen the Operation Z stuff, but I'll bet that it targets a wider audience than Costa's core firearms curriculum. If his goal is to teach people how to properly use firearms for defense, is there any harm in trying to expand his influence?
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