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DocHolliday01
03-30-13, 05:13
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/30/defense-department-says-giving-purple-heart-to-fort-hood-survivors-would-hurt/

Legislation that would award the injured from the 2009 Fort Hood shooting the Purple Heart would adversely affect the trial of Maj. Nidal Hasan by labeling the attack terrorism, according to a Defense Department document obtained by Fox News.

The document comes following calls from survivors and their families for the military honor, because they say Fort Hood was turned into a battlefield when Hasan opened fire during the November 2009 attack. Fox News is told that the DOD “position paper” is being circulated specifically in response to the proposed legislation.

The document reads in part:

"Passage of this legislation could directly and indirectly influence potential court-martial panel members, witnesses, or the chain of command, all of whom exercise a critical role under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). Defense counsel will argue that Major Hasan cannot receive a fair trial because a branch of government has indirectly declared that Major Hasan is a terrorist -- that he is criminally culpable."

A source with knowledge of the position paper told Fox News that DOD is putting on a full-court press by sending senior officials, including generals, to meet with lawmakers in an effort to block support.

But Neal Sher, counsel for the Fort Hood families involved in a federal lawsuit against the department, told Fox News that the document -- an "official Army response" to the request for Purple Heart status -- is "an utter outrage" and that it was not surprising given it comes from the same department which labeled the attack "workplace violence."

"This is a cynical travesty. What the government has done by making this statement is guarantee that anything done to help the victims will effectively prevent or impair Hasan's prosecution. There was no reason for the government to put this kind of a statement in writing, even if it were true (which it is not)," Sher said via email.

Sher represents families who are suing the Defense Department over the shooting which killed 13 and injured dozens at the Texas Army base in 2009.

Fox News was the first to report in 2011 that DOD was handling the attack, in which survivors say the shooter shouted “Allahu Akbar” as he opened fire – in the context of workplace violence. Fox News was the first TV network, in June 2012, to interview the survivors.

The Defense Department document says that to expand the Purple Heart criteria to include “domestic criminal acts or domestic terror attacks would be a dramatic departure” from traditional criteria.

“The Army objects to (the proposal) because it would undermine the prosecution of Major Nidal Hasan by materially and directly compromising Major Hasan’s ability to receive a fair trial. This provision will be viewed as setting the stage for a formal declaration that Major Hasan is a terrorist, on what is now the eve of trial. Such a situation, prior to trial, would fundamentally compromise the fairness and due process of the pending trial,” the document said.

It continues: “Moreover, the effect of such an act by Congress would be to deprive the victims of these crimes the right to see justice done.”

But Sher said the Army's legal arguments that such a situation prior to a trial would fundamentally compromise fairness and due process are especially troubling given the Holder Justice Department wanted to prosecute the self-described architect of 9/11 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his four co-conspirators in a New York City federal court.

"Seriously? We could try KSM no problem, but helping out Hasan's victims creates due process problems?" Sher said.

Sher said the Fort Hood families he represents in the federal suit find it hurtful that DOD would now claim "such an unprecedented action would thwart the real and lasting measure that will bring closure to the grieving and harmed victims and families -- the trial itself."

While the document claims "the Government has vigilantly tended to the needs of the victims and families since the tragic events of November, 5 2009," Sher said the facts show the Army has failed to live up to its creed that no soldier will be left behind.

The Defense Department did not immediately return a request for comment from Fox News.

His defense council can rot with him as far as I'm concerned. He is a ****ing Terrorist. When you shout "Allahu Akbar" before murdering 13 American Soldiers on base I would think that it would be pretty clear.

ryr8828
03-30-13, 06:00
Disgrace.

Sensei
03-30-13, 07:26
Disgrace.
I agree, and would love to have seen this case adjuducated by a military tribunal for unlawful combatants. Unfortunately, I bet that we are in the minority even on this forum.

Safetyhit
03-30-13, 08:35
Unfortunately, I bet that we are in the minority even on this forum.


You're right, myself and the majority would opt for the shot to the head.

Sensei
03-30-13, 08:56
You're right, myself and the majority would opt for the shot to the head.

Given the attitudes toward the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, I'd expect most to want a trial or courts martial for Hasan. It is hard to be against the summary execution of al-Awlaki, and for the execution of Major Hasan. In fact, it is even harder to justify the execution of Hasan since he is already in our custody and cannot plot futher attacks; at least al-Awlaki was attempting to avoid capture and inspire future attacks. After all, if Obama can execute Hasan (a citizen and service member) without a trial, just imagine what he would do to other domestic terrorists who want to own guns.

VooDoo6Actual
03-30-13, 09:10
Unfortunately he & those that sympathize w/ his ideology are part of the systemic viral contagion that have infected our belief & value system.

The hypocrisy & flaws are obvious to others' who play by the rules.

Safetyhit
03-30-13, 09:34
Given the attitudes toward the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, I'd expect most to want a trial or courts martial for Hasan.

Hassan murdered and wounded dozens of unsuspecting fellow soldiers, his absolute guilt is unquestioned. So now that Obama somehow has the left complacent regarding domestic drones we can rest assured that if he somehow died in his cell overnight no one anywhere (except maybe the NYT or Huff Post) would question a thing.

Yes that's right, sometimes we can accept the government killing the overtly guilty threats to our society without their full and totally undeserved due process.

Sensei
03-30-13, 10:20
Yes that's right, sometimes we can accept the government killing the overtly guilty threats to our society without their full and totally undeserved due process.

I doubt that you will find much support for the summary execution of US citizens within our borders even when they are "overtly guilty."

Safetyhit
03-30-13, 11:09
I doubt that you will find much support for the summary execution of US citizens within our borders even when they are "overtly guilty."

Ninety five percent of the time true no doubt, but I think most of us have our practical limits. A sensible nation would have saved it's taxpayers millions, saved the families continued heartache and either pushed the case through quickly or had him die in a tragic accident.

WillBrink
03-30-13, 12:21
declared that Major Hasan is a terrorist -- that he is criminally culpable."



And he's both. I see no problem here. Is death by firing squad still an option in military courts for such a crime?

Sensei
03-30-13, 13:07
Ninety five percent of the time true no doubt, but I think most of us have our practical limits. A sensible nation would have saved it's taxpayers millions, saved the families continued heartache and either pushed the case through quickly or had him die in a tragic accident.

This is very simple. He is an unlawful enemy combatant and should get his due process in a military tribunal held at Getmo. Punishment may include execution if found guilty. This would allow some element of due process while expediting the procedure. It would also save tax payer dollars and allow the wounded to receive their proper military honors.

MountainRaven
03-30-13, 13:08
And he's both. I see no problem here. Is death by firing squad still an option in military courts for such a crime?

We denied the Nazis at Nuremberg the option of death by firing squad, why would we grant it to this scumbag?

Hang him, says I.

I want to know why we're still calling him "Major".

SteyrAUG
03-30-13, 14:00
Defense counsel will argue that Major Hasan cannot receive a fair trial because a branch of government has indirectly declared that Major Hasan is a terrorist -- that he is criminally culpable."


Boo ****ing Hoo. It's hard to defend a terrorist who engages in mass murder. Too bad the PC military doesn't screen for these types better and actually made him an officer and put him in charge of the mental well being of other soldiers (probably where he did some significant damage) and we can't just shoot him as a spy.

But as he was a uniformed soldier, looks like we could easily add treason to the list of reason to send him to a firing squad.

Moose-Knuckle
03-30-13, 17:27
So first issue I have is this oxygen thief was taken alive when he should have been given the N Hollywood bank robber treatment. Next, this case has been handled and labeled as a “workplace violence incident” and not an act of terrorism. Then we have the judge (Col. Tara Osborn) on the case that will not allow said oxygen thief to enter a plea of guilty.

Life is grand in Mamby Pamby Land . . .