View Full Version : Margaret Thatcher, RIP
Littlelebowski
04-08-13, 07:14
The Iron Lady passed away today (http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/08/world/europe/uk-margaret-thatcher-dead/index.html?hpt=hp_t1).
Failure2Stop
04-08-13, 07:31
Always liked her.
God speed, Mrs. Thatcher.
Littlelebowski
04-08-13, 07:32
She's crushing unions in heaven now :D
Her and Reagan. May they both rest peacefully. Two warhorses and the 2 of the best leaders each country ever had.
-Jax
Littlelebowski
04-08-13, 07:44
Though it focuses on her Alzheimer's, the movie "Iron Lady" is still inspiring and worth your time.
platoonDaddy
04-08-13, 07:45
Loved her! RIP
Thanks LB, I'll rent that one this weekend.
-Jax
ShortytheFirefighter
04-08-13, 09:53
Being a child of the 80's and growing up with the examples of Reagan and Thatcher certainly let me down for the "leadership" that followed as I've gotten older.
RIP Mrs. Thatcher. You were one of the good ones.
Littlelebowski
04-08-13, 10:01
Thanks LB, I'll rent that one this weekend.
-Jax
You'll love it. Some of hers and her father's speeches made me want to applaud. I can't wait until my daughter is old enough to watch the movie with me.
You'll love it. Some of hers and her father's speeches made me want to applaud. I can't wait until my daughter is old enough to watch the movie with me.
Cool deal. I love movies like that. I am currently rewatching the HBO miniseries John Adams and there are moments in that series that make my eyes water.
-Jax
Littlelebowski
04-08-13, 11:05
Cool deal. I love movies like that. I am currently rewatching the HBO miniseries John Adams and there are moments in that series that make my eyes water.
-Jax
Like every time Jefferson spoke? :D
Like every time Jefferson spoke? :D
Amen brother. Half the reason for watching that series is just to hear him speak.
-Jax
Like every time Jefferson spoke? :D
You read my mind. It's no wonder men like Washington, Jefferson and Adams could inspire a successful revolution against seemingly insurmountable odds.
I always admired Thatcher, may she rest in peace.
I'll be renting that movie as well, thanks for the tip.
Approximately 10 years ago a large 2 volume Biography (Autobiography?) came out. It is well worth the read. A friend of mine gave me one of the volumes and I read it straight through.
I have it around here somewhere but could not find it just now to reference it for this post.
Again, well worth the read.
Having graduated from HS in 84 and spending 86-87 in Germany, Reagan and Thatcher had a great impact on me.
The world is poorer for her passing. And the likes of her will be sorely needed in the time to come.
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D. Christopher
04-08-13, 12:00
Always admired and respected her. The lady had courage and willpower, and was a great ally. I'm afraid there are no more like her and they couldn't operate effectively or even get elected anymore. The world has changed too much, and not for the better. The comments on British websites about her are truly disgusting, but I'm not surprised. It would take a Maggie to save Britain from itself these days.
It truly is sad what has become of the UK from where Mrs. Thatcher left it.....and ours from where Pres. Reagan left it.
-Jax
Mrs. Thatcher at her best in the House of Commons debating Socialism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdR7WW3XR9c&feature=youtube_gdata_player
-Jax
The LAST PM with any balls.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." - Margaret Thatcher
Damn shame that hollywood travesty of a film decided to focus primarily on her later health issues. You think they'd salivate for the story of a strong, effective female leader of an entire nation.
Good night Maggie, we are better for having had you here. If there is a good place, you've earned your spot.
Her and Reagan. May they both rest peacefully. Two warhorses and the 2 of the best leaders each country ever had.
-Jax
The last two real leaders either country has had.
Cool deal. I love movies like that. I am currently rewatching the HBO miniseries John Adams and there are moments in that series that make my eyes water.
-Jax
Very underrated series. Not enough explosions or freeing the slaves for most people. Just talk, talk, talk and usually about boring political stuff they don't comprehend. Needed some Lincoln killing vampires or something.
I was a teen ager in the 80's. My old man was a naval officer serving at NATO head quarters. I remember the Falklands War pretty clearly. I remember everyone but the Brits being surprised when the task force put to see in 48 hours. According to them, there really wasn't any doubt that they were going, win lose or draw.
Several things stuck with me. "its not strategic" said my old man, "its a god forsaken set of islands that no one cares about, but they were taken by force, so its the principal of the thing". The Argentine plan never recovered from the shock that the British were actually willing to fight over the islands.
The other thing was that the General Belgrano, which Thatcher ordered sunk outside the exclusion zone, was previously the USS Pennsylvania - the only major surface combatant not to be damaged at Pearl Harbor.
She was a tough lady. That's for sure.
Five_Point_Five_Six
04-08-13, 18:44
RIP. They just don't make em' like her anymore.
I ran a radio non stop at work during the Falklands war, my boss was an ex-pat Brit, so it was cool.
Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher were the leaders we needed at a very serious time. I miss them both deeply.
We are diminished.
Ps. Someone should have reminded the Argentinians to close the water tight doors in a war zone...... Oops.....
I was a teen ager in the 80's. My old man was a naval officer serving at NATO head quarters. I remember the Falklands War pretty clearly. I remember everyone but the Brits being surprised when the task force put to see in 48 hours. According to them, there really wasn't any doubt that they were going, win lose or draw.
Several things stuck with me. "its not strategic" said my old man, "its a god forsaken set of islands that no one cares about, but they were taken by force, so its the principal of the thing". The Argentine plan never recovered from the shock that the British were actually willing to fight over the islands.
The other thing was that the General Belgrano, which Thatcher ordered sunk outside the exclusion zone, was previously the USS Pennsylvania - the only major surface combatant not to be damaged at Pearl Harbor.
She was a tough lady. That's for sure.
The Belgrano was actually the U.S.S. Phoenix, a WW2 era light cruiser.
The_War_Wagon
04-09-13, 07:15
The local news talking head started off with some babbling bullshit from Der Kommissar Obamassar, about her being a "role model for what girls can become" or some crap - I had to mute it. :rolleyes: Maggie had bigger cajones than Der Kommissar will ever have.
The local news talking head started off with some babbling bullshit from Der Kommissar Obamassar, about her being a "role model for what girls can become" or some crap - I had to mute it. :rolleyes: Maggie had bigger cajones than Der Kommissar will ever have.
Amen to that. Wasn't it the Soviets that gave her the name Iron Lady?
-Jax
Magic_Salad0892
04-09-13, 09:43
RIP. Too bad we couldn't elect a woman like her.
This is an odd loop, but bear with me...
I'm into this traditional shaving thing and have been paying attention to a manufacturer of brushes on Twitter. Yesterday, the guy posted this:
http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj523/paulmlaw/Junk/38E69E97-EF5B-4C18-B28C-388C8E9AA353-5909-000004CBBB9D95D1_zps6e75df9d.jpg
This was the photo from the other guy:
http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj523/paulmlaw/Junk/42111F36-16CC-4436-BFEF-F20CD2C62A88-5909-000004CBC86146BB_zps3dfa0fac.jpg
I go searching to see if this is an opinion held by a significant number of people, and I see news stories from yesterday about riots, looting, and "death parties." Do any of you guys know where all the hate is coming from? I thought Margaret Thatcher was a woman people looked up to. These people act like she was Hitler reincarnated or something.
Littlelebowski
04-09-13, 09:54
PaulL, I'm also into wet shaving and that is ENOUGH from Simpsons. I'm throwing away my brush from them. Infuriating.
PaulL, I'm also into wet shaving and that is ENOUGH from Simpsons. I'm throwing away my brush from them. Infuriating.
I just knocked myself out of the purchase sabbatical to replace my two from them. Glad to see I'm not alone.
I just can't understand why they hate the woman so much as to disrespect her death that way. Last I checked, there are no mass graves left over from her term as PM...
Littlelebowski
04-09-13, 10:15
Apparently, we are not capable of commenting on their PM but I'll bet money they both have on our President.
My Simpson Case is a shedder anyways. I need to find a small, decent brush for under, say $70.
Though it focuses on her Alzheimer's, the movie "Iron Lady" is still inspiring and worth your time.
Just watched it today and was hugely disappointed. It seemed they didn't miss one opportunity to malign her and show her as some kind of extremist who was out of touch with everyone. She was portrayed as a selfish individual who neglected her family and didn't value her husband until he was gone.
The continuous flashbacks from her later disturbed state suggest all earlier incidents were the beginnings of her madness. And the speeches you found inspiring were presented in a way to show how polarizing her views were. Perhaps worst of all the film robs her of her strength and dignity which defined her character and portrayed her as weak and simple.
It's a shame this is the movie that will likely be the one most associated with her memory. I can only hope a more proper film will be done later along the lines of The Gathering Storm and Into The Storm, which were both excellent depictions of Churchill.
I shudder to think what Hollywood might do with their first major film about Reagan.
Submariner
04-30-13, 17:25
Did she not preside over the banning of semi-automatic rifles in England, Scotland and Wales after Hungerford in 1987?
It was during Mrs. Thatcher’s term, and under her leadership of the majority party in Parliament, that the British government passed the Firearms Act of 1988 which outlawed semi-automatic weapons, allowed the police to refuse a weapon to anyone they deemed to be unfit and gave the Home Secretary the power to add additional guns to the list of banned weapons as the Secretary saw fit.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/04/14/like-her-friend-ronald-reagan-margaret-thatcher-just-wouldnt-cut-it-in-todays-gop/2/
Submariner
04-30-13, 17:35
The other thing was that the General Belgrano, which Thatcher ordered sunk outside the exclusion zone, was previously the USS Pennsylvania - the only major surface combatant not to be damaged at Pearl Harbor.
Uh, no.
She was the former Brooklyn-class light cruiser, USS Phoenix (CL-46).
USS Pennsylvania (BB-38) was a battleship.
Did she not preside over the banning of semi-automatic rifles in England, Scotland and Wales after Hungerford in 1987?
Not to defend it, but I'm not sure any other PM would have done otherwise. She should have known it was wrong though.
Uh, no.
She was the former Brooklyn-class light cruiser, USS Phoenix (CL-46).
Got the name wrong. Thanks for the correction.
Submariner
04-30-13, 21:05
Not to defend it, but I'm not sure any other PM would have done otherwise. She should have known it was wrong though.
But you are giving her a pass.
Reagan should have known that banning manufacture of full autos for folks like us after 1986 was wrong, too.
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." George Orwell
Mrs. Thatcher failed.
All it takes is losing the right once.
But you are giving her a pass.
Not really. Again she should have known it was wrong. That is because it was wrong. All I said is that it was likely inevitable as no other PM would have done any differently. Do you think Tony Blair would have done differently? James Callaghan? John Major? Thatcher's opponents in the Labour Party?
Reagan should have known that banning manufacture of full autos for folks like us after 1986 was wrong, too.
Completely different situation. The 86 ban was attached to FOPA. I've had to explain this a few times so let me just copy/paste.
FOPA was a good thing with a shitty last minute amendment. It UNDID many of the draconian aspects of the 1968 Gun Control Act.
Do you like ordering ammo online? If so thank Reagan and FOPA because prior to that it was illegal and ammunition was treated like a firearms purchase by dealers where they logged it into a book and logged who it was sold to.
Do you like being able to order imported surplus military weapons? If so thank Reagan and FOPA because prior to that it was illegal. There wouldn't be a SKS in private hands if FOPA didn't exist.
Do you like to be able to not have to drive around states where your gun is illegal in order to arrive at a destination where it is legal? If so thank Reagan and FOPA, because prior to that you couldn't do it.
Do you like buying and selling guns and sometimes making a very beneficial deal? If so thank Reagan and FOPA because prior to that if you made a profitable trade or sale that was grounds for being arrested as an unlicensed gun dealer. This is where "kitchen table FFLs" came from. So many people were getting entrapped in ATF stings that they became FFLs for protection.
One needs to remember that FOPA had been continuously attempted since the 1968 Gun Control Act and had never successfully managed to make it to a Presidents desk who would sign it. After years and years of trying it FINALLY happened in 1986 but some dickhead added the Hughes amendment (and there is a great deal of debate about the validity of the voice vote regarding that amendments passage).
The bill then went to Reagan "as is" and he lacked a line item veto. So it was a ALL OR NOTHING proposition. Reagan asked the NRA what he should do and they told him to sign it. That is because in 1986 the NFA community was looked at sorta like "biker outlaws" and the NRA and firearms community was more concerned with ending things like the horrible ATF abuses made possible by the 68 GCA during the Carter administration than they were about getting "machine guns."
If you think the NRA doesn't stand up for black rifles enough today, you should have seen how they treated the NFA community like a red headed step child in 1986.
So for all those reasons Reagan signed it. And thank god he did because what other president was going to sign it? Bush Sr who criticized the NRA and resigned his membership because they called the ATF "jack booted thugs"? Clinton who gave us a 10 year domestic ban? Bush Jr who stated his support for the Clinton ban and vowed he'd sign the renewal? Obama?
The answer is NONE of those presidents would have signed anything like FOPA and that is assuming Congress could get a version without a MG ban to their desk in the first place.
Want to know what WOULD have happened no matter what? A domestic machine gun ban. We already had a foreign machine gun ban in the 68 GCA. Congress would have eventually attached a domestic ban on continued production of machine guns (possibly all NFA weapons) and it would simply have been part of the 89 Import Ban, the 94 domestic semi auto ban or more likely a stand alone ban that would have come as early as 1988.
The registry would be closed and the only difference is none of the protections withing FOPA would exist.
Thank GOD for Reagan.
Hopefully one day we will really be on top of our game and we will be able to strike the "sporter clause" from the 1968 Gun Control Act and that will eliminate the basis on which the 68 ban on foreign machine guns, the 86 ban on domestic machine guns and the 89 ban on semi auto imports rests.
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