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QuickStrike
03-23-08, 05:06
I read that glocks can take +P so I bought a box of 125 grain +P gold dots to try and got this:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c247/ARTYMARTY/IMG_3671.jpg
The primer looks like it flowed into the firing pin hole a bit. This is my first time with +P stuff and I know that glocks have partially unsupported chambers so it makes me kinda nervous... :o
Is this normal?
Thanks!
Shoot all of it you want. My duty gun(G17) has close to 30k through it, mostly 124 nato ball and at least 1k of it being +p+ SXT
That appears to be a normal Glock strike to me.
Jay Cunningham
03-23-08, 07:49
I wanted to carry Speer Gold Dot 124 gr. +P so I made sure to shoot 1,000 rounds of it through my Glock 19. No issues, great ammo.
NYPD uses 124 gr +P GDHPs and they've got roughly 25,000 G19s in use.
Its not a problem.
Glocks are designed for European 9mm ammo - which, generally, is up to US +P standards (Norma, Lapua, Hirtenberger).
That looks just like standard ammo does.
Perfectly normal.
Jay Cunningham
03-23-08, 10:19
I read that glocks can take +P so I bought a box of 125 grain +P gold dots to try and got this:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c247/ARTYMARTY/IMG_3671.jpg
The primer looks like it flowed into the firing pin hole a bit. This is my first time with +P stuff and I know that glocks have partially unsupported chambers so it makes me kinda nervous... :o
Is this normal?
Thanks!
You are aware that Glocks do not leave round primer strikes, right?
i've shoot in excess of 50,000 rds of 124gr +p gold dot plus another 6 or 7000 rds of rem. +p+ 115gr. thru my duty g.19 w/no issues. i've put at least 10,000 rds of it thru my g.26 again no issues.:D
Robb Jensen
03-23-08, 11:32
Glock 9mm pistols are chambered in 9x19mm NATO. 9mm NATO is pressures in the neighborhood of +P and some +P+.
QuickStrike
03-23-08, 16:05
You are aware that Glocks do not leave round primer strikes, right?
Yes, the firing pin tip isn't rounded.
I was just wondering as the primer has a relief in shape of the firing pin hole...
Thought it might be a sign of trouble.
This glock 19 is awesome! 270 rounds so far without a hiccup.
Thanks for the replies! :cool:
i've shoot in excess of 50,000 rds of 124gr +p gold dot plus another 6 or 7000 rds of rem. +p+ 115gr. thru my duty g.19 w/no issues. i've put at least 10,000 rds of it thru my g.26 again no issues.:D
Why are you guys burning thru all this defensive ammo? :confused:
demi,
the gold dot is an issued round, we only shoot duty ammo. the +p+ rem. was going to be a duty round, but the lot we recieved at the time had qc issues so the dept. turned it into training ammo(until it was all shot up) and went with gold dot for duty instead.
Wow! Shooting only duty ammo sounds expensive! :eek:
Wow! Shooting only duty ammo sounds expensive! :eek:
Thats what my agency does too.
As for +p+, the G17 can take it.
I've chronoed NATO Hirtenberger L7A1's 124 grn bullets at 1350 FPS from a 17 (that is approaching .357 Sig territory) though I've only fired a few of those rounds.
A friend (who happens to be a member of M4carbine.net) also fired some - to the tune of 1200 rounds of L7A1 - through his 17 and its still going.
I'll let him decide if he wants to come out of the shadows on this one.
The primer looks like it flowed into the firing pin hole a bit. This is my first time with +P stuff and I know that glocks have partially unsupported chambers so it makes me kinda nervous... :o
Is this normal?
Thanks!
It's normal. I'd still shoot it as long as I didn't have to pay for it. :)
Joe Mamma
well,
a little update on my g.19. last monday after a training session i break the gun down to clean it and discover that the left rear rail had broken off. turn the gun into the armory and sign for a loaner until this situation is resolved with glock. i checked the log i have on the gun and added up what was put thru it in the last 71/2 years and found that she had been fed just shy of 80,000 rds of 124gr.+p glod dot, 6000 rds rem 115gr.+p+ , and the rest various baal and 147 gr. total round count on the gun was 110,100 rds. i've put 1400 rds of gold dot thru the loaner since monday of last week. she runs fine no issues.:(
Detmongo, what was the serial number prefix?
Was the rail completely gone? The gun was still running normal?
the prefix is dpn. completely broken off,and she ran fine. i was told by a glock rep the guns will run on three rails for awhile but the other rear rail will go also do to the added stress placed on it because of the missing rail.
the prefix is dpn. completely broken off,and she ran fine. i was told by a glock rep the guns will run on three rails for awhile but the other rear rail will go also do to the added stress placed on it because of the missing rail.
Yeah, I saw an E series run without a left rear rail for awhile but nobody knows how long it had been broken so we could only guess that it wasn't that long. I know the E series had problems.
we had a bunch series but they were pulled and the frames replaced befor we had any issues.
we had a bunch series but they were pulled and the frames replaced befor we had any issues.
So do you think your D series happened because of the shear amount of +P+ ran through it?
i would say yes. i beat the snot out of this gun. i can't complain. hopefully i get a new gun and start over.
i would say yes. i beat the snot out of this gun. i can't complain. hopefully i get a new gun and start over.
I'm curious. Did you ever shoot the gun with a light (or any type of weight) mounted on the frame?
Joe Mamma
joe,
yes i have,both surefire and insights m3 with all kinds of ammo with no issues at all.
joe,
yes i have,both surefire and insights m3 with all kinds of ammo with no issues at all.
Interesting. Thank you for the reply. I have a theory that shooting with a light or some type of weight attached to the frame rail increases the likelihood that a rear rail will break on Glocks.
I'm not trying to start an internet rumor by asking. I'm just trying to satisfy my curiosity.
Joe Mamma
joe,
you might be correct. in talking to a friend that works for glock he stated the the left rear rail is the most stresses rail on the gun do to the recoil impulses. for a lack of a tech. description the slide and barrel torque to the right under recoil putting more stress on the left side rails. it makes sense but that part of shooting and function of the weapons is waaaaaaaaaay above my pay grade, i'm just a shooter.
Quick description: the barrel is rifled. As the bullet spins with the rifling, the ubiquitous "equal and opposite reaction" is that the barrel torques clockwise (from the point of view of the shooter). This puts more stress on the left rails. It's also why, for example, the left wing of a Beretta 90-series locking block is 99% likely to be the one that breaks when it reaches the end of its service life.
thanks todd,
i knew somebody would know more about it and better explain it than me.
jasonhgross
04-10-08, 13:31
Just mirroring what has already been said, but the info I have is that glocks were designed around 124 gr +P+ sub gun ammo.
The Glock was "designed around" NATO 9mm specification ammunition for a NATO signatory's military. While the actual measurements and specifications are handled much differently than the SAAMI method, it's essentially a 9mm +p round.
I'm not saying Glocks will detonate if you shoot +p+ ammunition through them, just that the original design parameter was based on a known pistol ammunition standard applicable to the target customer.
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