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Bolt_Overide
04-10-13, 11:57
Short story, 15 year old girl gets gangraped. Boys responsible photograph it. Boys get away with the rape. Boy distribute picture and hound the girl socially until she decides to kill herself.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/canada/9985196/Teenager-commits-suicide-after-photograph-of-her-being-gang-raped-goes-viral.html
Why are these little bastards still alive? Were this my daughter, things would be getting real bloody right about now.
brickboy240
04-10-13, 12:06
In many countries, they have very lax views on criminals and on punishment. Many European and other countries have no death penalty and YOU can get arrested for harming a criminal in the course of defending yourself!
One thing for sure, the British and many British commonwealth countries have some very bizarre views of self defense and criminal treatment in general.
-brickboy240
And this is why we don't need to follow Canada's lead on anything. Their values are totally screwed up. They feel some sort of sympathy for criminals, and thus allow them freedom to do as they please. Take away peoples' rights to defend themselves with firearms, and then the legal system (which is supposed to make everything okay in the absence of guns for protection) fails them. What a pathetic, weak country.
"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing" seems pretty relevant here.
The kid who took part and was in the photo should have been handled in or out of the court system. Nobody does nothing anymore.
That is just heartbreaking.
FromMyColdDeadHand
04-10-13, 12:36
I do think that the rise in sex crime rates has to do with more reporting of it now and in the past when it wasn't reported, the offender would just disappear.
In socialist "welfare state" countries, the worst crime is to cheat on taxes. In a country like Belgium, if you cheat on your taxes, they seize all your property and you may get a minimum of 10 years. But if you kill the tax collector instead, you may get 3 years as a maximum sentence in a prison that is more like a hotel, with unsupervised furloughs to get out from time to time - since prison is too stressful.
Socialism is incompatible with individual liberty and with core Judeo-Christian values. Unfortunately, Canada has become another socialist country and has lost its way with punishing criminals. Gang-rape isn't bullying. Rape is rape and should be treated as such.
brickboy240
04-10-13, 13:49
Ever known, met or worked with people from the UK or British commonwealth countries?
They have some bizarre views on crime, criminals, punishment, self defense and guns. Views that defy logic and sound thought. Beyond some of the kooky views of American born leftists and liberals.
They might be highly educated people....engineers or technical people...but their views on these subjects range from slightly odd to completely crazy.
Why....I do not know.
-brickboy240
Yee ol' mary lovin england......
Thats Agenda 21 Utopia didnt you know????
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. Very sad indeed.
If it were my little girl, those boys would be raped with a shotgun. Let them see how it feels.
If it were my little girl, those boys would be raped with a shotgun. Let them see how it feels.
Because that makes you better than them?
I wouldn't need to sexually assault them, wiping them off the face of the earth would probably be good enough for me.
No I happen to think I am better than a rapist piece of garbage, and I also belive in punishment fitting the crime.
GeorgiaBoy
04-10-13, 15:04
No I happen to think I am better than a rapist piece of garbage, and I also belive in punishment fitting the crime.
Which.... Makes you no better than them. If you can actually accomplish the act, then you have the same frame of mind that they do, albeit a different motive.
Why can't it be just kill them and be done with it? Why are people so enamored with revenge?
ICANHITHIMMAN
04-10-13, 15:07
They should all be face done on some cold prison floor! An eye for an eye, prison rules!
Georgia boy, where the **** do you get off with particular feces throwing at me. Allows to explain, I obviously am not being clear enough.
Makes me no better than them... Oh really. Lets see what goes through your mind in a eye for an eye formatted thought process. Would you want to spank them and say "bad boys, bad boys" like what is going on in our system right now. Or would you like to see them wiped off the face of the earth as an earlier poster said. I say show them what the horrible act feels like. That would probably change their thought process and be much better than prison that seems to churn out more violent offenders. I could be wrong. If I am lets discuss further.
Georgia boy, where the **** do you get off with particular feces throwing at me. Allows to explain, I obviously am not being clear enough.
Makes me no better than them... Oh really. Lets see what goes through your mind in a eye for an eye formatted thought process. Would you want to spank them and say "bad boys, bad boys" like what is going on in our system right now. Or would you like to see them wiped off the face of the earth as an earlier poster said. I say show them what the horrible act feels like. That would probably change their thought process and be much better than prison that seems to churn out more violent offenders. I could be wrong. If I am lets discuss further.
I don't agree with GB on much, but I do here. When you assume the mantle of vengeance in an attempt to assuage your own anger, it's a void that can never be filled. In the case presented here, those boys are an objective to move through. Do it with the least amount of muss, fuss and emotional attachment necessary to accomplish the task.
Well I am speaking as a father. So yes emotion would rule my thinking a lot more than usual. But simply smoking thier ass is true justice for that poor girl(not revenge, justice)?
Moose-Knuckle
04-10-13, 15:36
In many countries, they have very lax views on criminals and on punishment. -brickboy240
And there are many more countries still that put criminals to death in all sorts of manner. Ever see the video of what the father and brothers of a rape victim do to the rapist in Chechnya? :D
Why can't it be just kill them and be done with it? Why are people so enamored with revenge?
re·venge
/riˈvenj/
Noun
The action of inflicting hurt or harm on someone for a wrong suffered at their hands.
Vs.
pun·ish·ment
/ˈpəniSHmənt/
Noun
The infliction or imposition of a penalty as retribution for an offense.
It's not about "revenge" its about punishment. You **** up, you get ****ed up.
Moose-Knuckle
04-10-13, 15:42
This is happening all over the world, women being gang raped on public transportation, specifically busses. In both of these cases the women had a male escort that were beaten and forced to watch the attacks. The woman in India died from internal trauma she received after being raped with a steel rod.
American student gang raped in Brazil
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/04/02/rio-rape-american/2046819/
Police: 7 men gang rape bus passenger in India
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/13/world/asia/india-new-gang-rape
Why can't it be just kill them and be done with it? Why are people so enamored with revenge?
It's cheaper than therapy.
Simply taking a life for a life doesn't get you even. If they all received lethal injections that only atones for their responsibility for the life that was lost. It doesn't address the two years of pain, agony, anguish and despair they created. Two years of trying to sleep knowing what those little ****ers did and got away with.
Those books are not balanced.
But if you hung them upside down and slit their jugular and let them bleed out in a way where the brain still gets blood for awhile and they have the opportunity to ponder what they did to deserve this even if only for an hour.
Well that is something closer to balance. You don't have your daughter back, and you would trade it all away to have her back. But since that isn't possible you can have some satisfaction in knowing that you did something about it and you truly made them understand (if only for a short time) what they did to you and your family. Perhaps if you are lucky you can live with things as a result knowing you did what you could to make it right.
If you do something like this to a person I value above my own life, there really isn't much I won't be willing to do in return. It's a very, very dangerous thing to do as a result.
Justice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE
To me, rapist and other criminals have proved that they no longer deserve to live, and you cannot justify their continued living.
Justice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE
To me, rapist and other criminals have proved that they no longer deserve to live, and you cannot justify their continued living.
I still remember seeing that one on the news.
People need to learn to leave people the **** alone. Predatory scumbags like rapists, serial killers and the like need to be checked out.
I still remember seeing that one on the news.
People need to learn to leave people the **** alone. Predatory scumbags like rapists, serial killers and the like need to be checked out.
Indeed.
The main reason I hold this belief is this: They chose to, most likely, permanently scar their victim for their own selfish satisfaction. A person Seeking personal gratification at the expense of another in that manner, to me, is the lowest form of life there is.
Indeed.
The main reason I hold this belief is this: They chose to, most likely, permanently scar their victim for their own selfish satisfaction. A person Seeking personal gratification at the expense of another in that manner, to me, is the lowest form of life there is.
Some people are just broken. Some people think they are so superior to others they are entitled to do these things.
Styer, I would go as far to say some think they can just do it. No repercussion, or maybe no thought of it. Self gratifying shit bags.
So punishment fitting the crime? What should it be as I am thought to be the vengeful spirit here.
Sad story. Wish the perps were taken off the streets and she was able to start somewhere new. Won't bring her back but hopefully they get the guys with her death too.
Maybe cut down on the self-righteous "in other countries" stuff? Like the U.S. criminal justice system is anything to be excited about. This shit has and can happen here.
A big no shit there nml. No disrespect, just sayin I agree.
If I was on the jury of the father- no conviction
GeorgiaBoy
04-10-13, 19:51
It's cheaper than therapy.
And you honestly think that you taking another's life is going to make everything hunky-dory? Well, maybe you... But I don't know about the average person.
Simply taking a life for a life doesn't get you even. If they all received lethal injections that only atones for their responsibility for the life that was lost. It doesn't address the two years of pain, agony, anguish and despair they created. Two years of trying to sleep knowing what those little ****ers did and got away with.
And you think making them suffer pre-death is supposed to make things "even"? This isn't medieval Europe. You think that you committing the same act that they committed makes things better? If you are capable of performing the same act on another person that they did to someone, then you are no better because your conscious allows you to do barbaric things.
This is where it becomes harder and harder to distinguish "good guys" form "bad guys". If you say that the "bad guy" is bad because he committed (and is able to commit without grief) a horrific and tragic act, but to seek revenge you do the same thing, how are you the "good guy"? Just because you didn't originally commit the act doesn't mean you are not just as bad because you are consciously able to commit the same act without remorse.
But if you hung them upside down and slit their jugular and let them bleed out in a way where the brain still gets blood for awhile and they have the opportunity to ponder what they did to deserve this even if only for an hour.
Anyone pondering doing this to a person is a bit symptomatic of a mental disorder.
GB, where do you come from? It must not be the same air I breathe. This is not a subject I will concede on. These bastards need to suffer. If only to serve as a warning to others, "don't do this or horrible shit will happen to you". If we are not 5x5, then please, respond.
Just curious, but do you have children?
And you honestly think that you taking another's life is going to make everything hunky-dory? Well, maybe you... But I don't know about the average person.
And you think making them suffer pre-death is supposed to make things "even"? This isn't medieval Europe. You think that you committing the same act that they committed makes things better? If you are capable of performing the same act on another person that they did to someone, then you are no better because your conscious allows you to do barbaric things.
This is where it becomes harder and harder to distinguish "good guys" form "bad guys". If you say that the "bad guy" is bad because he committed (and is able to commit without grief) a horrific and tragic act, but to seek revenge you do the same thing, how are you the "good guy"? Just because you didn't originally commit the act doesn't mean you are not just as bad because you are consciously able to commit the same act without remorse.
Anyone pondering doing this to a person is a bit symptomatic of a mental disorder.
GeorgiaBoy
04-10-13, 20:03
GB, where do you come from? It must not be the same air I breathe. This is not a subject I will concede on. These bastards need to suffer. If only to serve as a warning to others, "don't do this or horrible shit will happen to you". If we are not 5x5, then please, respond.
I hear you loud and clear. I just don't agree.
I find it rather odd that I'm considered the "weird" one here when I am not the one promoting torture and vigilante justice.
And you honestly think that you taking another's life is going to make everything hunky-dory? Well, maybe you... But I don't know about the average person.
If a holocaust survivor managed to find and kill the SS official that sent his family to the gas chamber, do you imagine that would help him accept things or make no difference?
I never said it would make everything "hunky-dory", NOTHING will ever be "hunky-dory" again. No amount of therapy, counseling, medication or trying to move on with life will ever make such a tragedy "hunky-dory." But what you can accomplish is to make life "more tolerable" than it is.
There is a Confucian ideal that states "No man should be forced to live under the same heaven with the murderer of his father." I tend to agree with that but I extend the notion to all loved ones.
And you think making them suffer pre-death is supposed to make things "even"? This isn't medieval Europe. You think that you committing the same act that they committed makes things better? If you are capable of performing the same act on another person that they did to someone, then you are no better because your conscious allows you to do barbaric things.
This is where it becomes harder and harder to distinguish "good guys" form "bad guys". If you say that the "bad guy" is bad because he committed (and is able to commit without grief) a horrific and tragic act, but to seek revenge you do the same thing, how are you the "good guy"? Just because you didn't originally commit the act doesn't mean you are not just as bad because you are consciously able to commit the same act without remorse.
It doesn't even come CLOSE to making things even. Nothing will ever be even. But if you make the person who did these heinous things understand what they have done, and I don't just mean explain it to some non caring entity who will pretend to empathize if you are lucky, then perhaps you can begin to try and go on with a life that is somehow more acceptable to you.
You have a severe disconnect.
A predator who shoots an innocent victim and a police officer who shoots such a predator to protect an innocent victim BOTH engage in exactly the same action. It is the motivation that is different. The police officer does NOT become the same kind of "bad guy" because he does an identical thing. And the difference isn't simply that he is a police officer.
Anyone pondering doing this to a person is a bit symptomatic of a mental disorder.
Get back to me if ever you suffer some horrible tragedy. I personally see a mental disorder in anyone who sympathizes or empathizes with predatory pieces of shit.
No. It is not "vigilante justice". It is simply justice.
It is not torture when it is simply a warning to all. Don't do this. This is a heinious crime. You will not just do jail time, get three square and watch cable befor you go lift and play basketball. You wil suffer as those you made suffer.
How the hell are we even from the same solar system?
I hear you loud and clear. I just don't agree.
I find it rather odd that I'm considered the "weird" one here when I am not the one promoting torture and vigilante justice.
Some people consider the due process death penalty torture. So that pretty much flushes that consideration.
As for vigilante justice, if it is "justice" then the method of justice is almost irrelevant. Circumstances often prevent or preclude due process. It mostly happens when the legal system breaks down and the guilty go free or the innocent are wrongly convicted.
If you KNOW who killed your daughter, but there is "not enough evidence" to convict them. Is that sufficient for you?
No. It is not "vigilante justice". It is simply justice.
It is not torture when it is simply a warning to all. Don't do this. This is a heinious crime. You will not just do jail time, get three square and watch cable befor you go lift and play basketball. You wil suffer as those you made suffer.
How the hell are we even from the same solar system?
Honestly I don't think it will have much of a deterrent effect.
These types of people either don't think, don't care or think they are entitled to do what they do. All you will accomplish is having THEM finally understand a little bit of what they did to others.
GeorgiaBoy
04-10-13, 20:18
It doesn't even come CLOSE to making things even. Nothing will ever be even. But if you make the person who did these heinous things understand what they have done, and I don't just mean explain it to some non caring entity who will pretend to empathize if you are lucky, then perhaps you can begin to try and go on with a life that is somehow more acceptable to you.
And you think it makes it more "even" to get your revenge on the person before they die, rather than just ending their life outright?
We aren't talking about just executing someone here. We are talking about talking the "make you suffer before you die" thing here.
You have a severe disconnect.
I do on most things.
A predator who shoots an innocent victim and a police officer who shoots such a predator to protect an innocent victim BOTH engage in exactly the same action. It is the motivation that is different. The police officer does NOT become the same kind of "bad guy" because he does an identical thing. And the difference isn't simply that he is a police officer.
You are not getting my point. There is a different between just killing someone and torturing someone. We are talking about torturing here. It's often a lot easier to stomach just ending a life and actually torutring and tormenting another human being. The fact that your conscious allows you to torture another human being is what means you have no better of a conscious than the predator. The predator IS a predator because HE has the ability to commit heinous acts. He doesn't have conscious. YOU DO. That's what separates both of you. But if you can commit the same act, then what is the difference? Both of you lack empathy towards others.
I personally see a mental disorder in anyone who sympathizes or empathizes with predatory pieces of shit.
WHO is empathizing? This originally started with fixit stating that he would like to seek revenge if he was the parent. I was calling him out on the ability for people to seek that sort of revenge on others. I already said "just kill him". I DON'T believe that making them "learn their lesson" through a torturous death is the answer here. It is barbaric and not conducive to a society claiming to be "civilized". The founders realized that there was wrong in seeking the torturous deaths that often occurred in Europe which was the exact reasonings behind the 8th amendment.
GeorgiaBoy
04-10-13, 20:19
How the hell are we even from the same solar system?
I'm asking the same question dude.
It is not torture when it is simply a warning to all
Whisky Tango Foxtrot??? Come again?
Honestly I don't think it will have much of a deterrent effect.
These types of people either don't think, don't care or think they are entitled to do what they do. All you will accomplish is having THEM finally understand a little bit of what they did to others.
As a father that is enough for me. It won't bring a child back, but it might make someone think twice. I know, wishful thinking with the animalistic subhumans we are talking about.
fixit what I was getting at with my question is - do you think you would be doing the "right" thing by sodomizing the bastards with a shotgun and pulling the trigger?
I think you're just as sick as the bastards if you're ok with that.
I'm all for allowing rape victims the opportunity to push the plunger or pull the trigger if they feel it will help them through the grief process.
I think the disconnect is where you want a true eye for an eye, I'm good with just erasing their existence.
And you think it makes it more "even" to get your revenge on the person before they die, rather than just ending their life outright?
We aren't talking about just executing someone here. We are talking about talking the "make you suffer before you die" thing here.
When I discussed balance, I think you took it a different way from what I really intended. Substitute "makes life more tolerable."
If you take from me everything I care about. One of us probably has to die. Either I will take the life of that person so that I know I have done what I could to make it right or I'll end my life because future existence with that set of circumstances will become intolerable.
You are not getting my point. There is a different between just killing someone and torturing someone. We are talking about torturing here. It's often a lot easier to stomach just ending a life and actually torutring and tormenting another human being. The fact that your conscious allows you to torture another human being is what means you have no better of a conscious than the predator. The predator IS a predator because HE has the ability to commit heinous acts. He doesn't have conscious. YOU DO. That's what separates both of you. But if you can commit the same act, then what is the difference? Both of you lack empathy towards others.
WHO is empathizing? This originally started with fixit stating that he would like to seek revenge if he was the parent. I was calling him out on the ability for people to seek that sort of revenge on others. I already said "just kill him". I DON'T believe that making them "learn their lesson" through a torturous death is the answer here. It is barbaric and not conducive to a society claiming to be "civilized". The founders realized that there was wrong in seeking the torturous deaths that often occurred in Europe which was the exact reasonings behind the 8th amendment.
Anyone who thinks it is "torture" to bring more than simple lethal injection to the likes of serial killers, child molesters and such is showing empathy to that individual.
Here is part of the disconnect. It isn't about "them" even though they are the focus of the action. As for "cruel and unusual punishment" I don't think a "hang and drain" is that much worse than a gallows hanging which the FF found perfectly acceptable. In fact if the neck isn't properly snapped during a hanging (as happened at Nuremburg) a hang and drain is probably less painless. The big distinction here is the family member taking responsibility for the act themselves.
Keep in mind this usually occurs because of a lack of justice. Very few people feel the need to be the personal hit man if the guy already has a date with a needle.
fixit what I was getting at with my question is - do you think you would be doing the "right" thing by sodomizing the bastards with a shotgun and pulling the trigger?
I think you're just as sick as the bastards if you're ok with that.
I'm all for allowing rape victims the opportunity to push the plunger or pull the trigger if they feel it will help them through the grief process.
I think the disconnect is where you want a true eye for an eye, I'm good with just erasing their existence.
If you want to think I'm sick, I can live with that. If someone does harm to my children I would hope you would be able to live with what I did to them. If you can't, we have no more to discuss.
fixit what I was getting at with my question is - do you think you would be doing the "right" thing by sodomizing the bastards with a shotgun and pulling the trigger?
I think you're just as sick as the bastards if you're ok with that.
I'm all for allowing rape victims the opportunity to push the plunger or pull the trigger if they feel it will help them through the grief process.
I think the disconnect is where you want a true eye for an eye, I'm good with just erasing their existence.
Death can sometimes become very personal depending upon the length and severity of the suffering of your loved one. Dead should be the same as dead, but sometimes it isn't.
If you have a 14 year old daughter and some SOB shoots her and she dies instantly that is the same end result as if somebody abducted her and kept her alive for 45 days of deliberate and sadistic physical and mental torture combined with regular sexual assault and food deprivation until she finally died and was disposed of in a dumpster.
She's still dead and you'll never get her back. But is one much worse to accept than the other? If you said Yes, then acceptable degrees of justice also exist, especially in the minds of loved ones.
I think a lot of people simply prefer to live in a bubble where they don't honestly want to think about these things and are unwilling to ponder what they would do if placed in such a situation.
Let's take another scenario, you are WITH your daughter when she was abducted and you were forced to watch 45 days of abuse and were subjected to similar torture yourself. Assume you have managed to now free yourself but your daughter is dead. You have the immediate opportunity to escape undetected and you have an equal opportunity to arm yourself and kill your abductor / torturer.
Do you stay or escape?
If you want to think I'm sick, I can live with that. If someone does harm to my children I would hope you would be able to live with what I did to them. If you can't, we have no more to discuss.
Agreed, I just want to make it abundantly clear that I have no problem with erasing the aggressors from existence.
My issue lies in the need for you to sodomize or otherwise sexually terrorize before the erasing.
If you're good with that, that's you, but that's not how I'd want to represent my family.
Agreed, I just want to make it abundantly clear that I have no problem with erasing the aggressors from existence.
My issue lies in the need for you to sodomize or otherwise sexually terrorize before the erasing.
If you're good with that, that's you, but that's not how I'd want to represent my family.
Philosophically I agree and that would probably be my last chosen method of elimination. But at the same time it hasn't happened to me personally so it's easier to be objective about the idea. But if I'm honest and it happened to me, I can imagine scenarios where I'd take things personally and would have a harder time remaining objective.
Agreed, I just want to make it abundantly clear that I have no problem with erasing the aggressors from existence.
My issue lies in the need for you to sodomize or otherwise sexually terrorize before the erasing.
If you're good with that, that's you, but that's not how I'd want to represent my family.
Ok. I can understand where you come from.
But... Not mine. It doesn't matter. They would die as they killed. If that makes me a bad guy, well I guess I might be. If nothing else, to warn others, this WILL happen to you.
Don't do it.
Mine are precious to me, more than my life itself.
If this is not palatable to you, I suggest you not have children.
Moose-Knuckle
04-10-13, 20:52
These bastards need to suffer. If only to serve as a warning to others, "don't do this or horrible shit will happen to you".
While I do contend that public and brutal means of execution are a deterrent to half of the population on a good day . . . it always goes back to the tenet of cause and effect, ebb and flow.
Some "people" just want to watch Rome burn while others will kill and maim for nothing more than amusement.
While I do contend that public and brutal means of execution are a deterrent to half of the population on a good day . . . it always goes back to the tenet of cause and effect, ebb and flow.
Some "people" just want to watch Rome burn while others will kill and maim for nothing more than amusement.
Agreed. Those are who I speak of.
Bolt_Overide
04-10-13, 21:12
devolving to the level of the perp(s) is nothing but petty revenge, it isnt about justice, its about you getting off on their pain.
One at the base of the skull is justice, anything more than quick and clean youre just a sick **** yourself.
devolving to the level of the perp(s) is nothing but petty revenge, it isnt about justice, its about you getting off on their pain.
That isn't what my motivation would be. But quite honestly, NOBODY knows what they would or wouldn't actually do until they are in such a situation so this really isn't any more than a thought exercise complete with assumptions about what we believe we'd do based upon our person values and others making assumptions about the assumptions of others and the related motivations.
We'd probably accomplish more discussing the merits of Capt. Crunch vs. Quisp cereal. Some say it's the same thing but just a different shape and everyone else knows those people are idiots.
fixit what I was getting at with my question is - do you think you would be doing the "right" thing by sodomizing the bastards with a shotgun and pulling the trigger?
I think you're just as sick as the bastards if you're ok with that.
I'm all for allowing rape victims the opportunity to push the plunger or pull the trigger if they feel it will help them through the grief process.
I think the disconnect is where you want a true eye for an eye, I'm good with just erasing their existence.
This is where I'm at. Given the choice between ensuring a slow, painful death and obliterating every picture of them, every instance of their written name, their ashes being flushed down the drain and no mention of their ever having existed henceforth, I'd absolutely choose the latter.
Investing emotion in a sack of garbage that needs to be taken out is a way of giving said garbage a small measure of control within ones psyche. In my world, two Mk 318's to the chest and one to the grille. I'd be walking away before the body hit the ground and never look back.
Ok. I can understand where you come from.
But... Not mine. It doesn't matter. They would die as they killed. If that makes me a bad guy, well I guess I might be. If nothing else, to warn others, this WILL happen to you.
Don't do it.
Mine are precious to me, more than my life itself.
If this is not palatable to you, I suggest you not have children.
Fine, but I'd like to ask you one question. Would you do the exact same thing with your child standing there watching you? Because in my world, they would be watching me. Would I be honoring their beliefs of what I am as a man? Would those acts honor their memory? You see, I'm FAR less interested in what the shitstains of the world think of me than my loved ones. The only difference between you and me, is what I place the higher value on.
domestique
04-11-13, 01:32
Death can sometimes become very personal depending upon the length and severity of the suffering of your loved one. Dead should be the same as dead, but sometimes it isn't.
If you have a 14 year old daughter and some SOB shoots her and she dies instantly that is the same end result as if somebody abducted her and kept her alive for 45 days of deliberate and sadistic physical and mental torture combined with regular sexual assault and food deprivation until she finally died and was disposed of in a dumpster.
She's still dead and you'll never get her back. But is one much worse to accept than the other? If you said Yes, then acceptable degrees of justice also exist, especially in the minds of loved ones.
I think a lot of people simply prefer to live in a bubble where they don't honestly want to think about these things and are unwilling to ponder what they would do if placed in such a situation.
Let's take another scenario, you are WITH your daughter when she was abducted and you were forced to watch 45 days of abuse and were subjected to similar torture yourself. Assume you have managed to now free yourself but your daughter is dead. You have the immediate opportunity to escape undetected and you have an equal opportunity to arm yourself and kill your abductor / torturer.
Do you stay or escape?
Interesting topic of discussion reminds me of the movie “Law Abiding Citizen”. I probably shouldn’t be posting at 2am but will give it a try.
I see both sides of the argument and the Christian in me would say the death is more than enough and not to torture the individual but let their final judgment be let up to God…. However the sinner in me wants to see the bastard “feel” everything they did before their life is snuffed out. I am not sure if that would take away the hate and anger in my heart after witnessing such a horrific act done to a loved one.
I personally feel our “justice” system and capital punishment does a terrible job at preventing future crimes. An individual is allowed to do unspeakable things to society, live a nice life on death row growing fat, and then die a relatively painless death in the basement of a prison. INSTEAD I wish we would go back to public capital punishment. Take the gang banger/rapist/murder etc. and instead take them to their home town and hang them in the town square…. Leave them there for a couple days and let the town’s youth see what ones wrong actions get them.
That would most certainly send a message to any youngster that is thinking of going down a similar path.
Interesting topic of discussion reminds me of the movie “Law Abiding Citizen”. I probably shouldn’t be posting at 2am but will give it a try.
I see both sides of the argument and the Christian in me would say the death is more than enough and not to torture the individual but let their final judgment be let up to God…. However the sinner in me wants to see the bastard “feel” everything they did before their life is snuffed out. I am not sure if that would take away the hate and anger in my heart after witnessing such a horrific act done to a loved one.
I personally feel our “justice” system and capital punishment does a terrible job at preventing future crimes. An individual is allowed to do unspeakable things to society, live a nice life on death row growing fat, and then die a relatively painless death in the basement of a prison. INSTEAD I wish we would go back to public capital punishment. Take the gang banger/rapist/murder etc. and instead take them to their home town and hang them in the town square…. Leave them there for a couple days and let the town’s youth see what ones wrong actions get them.
That would most certainly send a message to any youngster that is thinking of going down a similar path.
Well that is one of the key differences in my outlook vs. most here. I am not a Christian. I'm more of a existentialist who sometimes wanders into nihilism. Much as it sickens me and offends my personal sense of justice I think Josef Mengele and most of the members of Unit 731 went completely unpunished and in some cases lived long and rewarding lives.
I think divine justice in an afterlife is a fantasy we create so we all don't go batshit insane trying to accept the horrible things that go on constantly. This is why I also have such a strong sense of personal justice and often feel obligated to make certain things right myself. It's the flip side of somebody who does something wonderful for you, you don't say thanks and wait for them to be rewarded in heaven or climb the karma ladder. You reciprocate personally to the best of your ability.
I simply do this with the bad people in my life as well. And if you do something horribly personal to me or a loved one, I hope that I'd make that right too. It's sort of like an elaborate memorial for your loved ones, it's not for them but to show how much they meant to you.
These ideas are of course at odds with most religious views and current ideas about crime and punishment. Hell we haven't even killed all the people responsible for 9-11 yet and that was more than 3,000 innocents who died horrible deaths that shame our country.
I am happy that OBL is dead, and I try and call that good enough. But even though I didn't personally lose a loved one, when I remember the "jumpers" from that day, I could completely forgive the family members who might do anything to OBL if they had been given the chance. I would not think one bit less of them.
domestique
04-11-13, 03:50
Well that is one of the key differences in my outlook vs. most here. I am not a Christian. I'm more of a existentialist who sometimes wanders into nihilism. Much as it sickens me and offends my personal sense of justice I think Josef Mengele and most of the members of Unit 731 went completely unpunished and in some cases lived long and rewarding lives.
I think divine justice in an afterlife is a fantasy we create so we all don't go batshit insane trying to accept the horrible things that go on constantly. This is why I also have such a strong sense of personal justice and often feel obligated to make certain things right myself. It's the flip side of somebody who does something wonderful for you, you don't say thanks and wait for them to be rewarded in heaven or climb the karma ladder. You reciprocate personally to the best of your ability.
I simply do this with the bad people in my life as well. And if you do something horribly personal to me or a loved one, I hope that I'd make that right too. It's sort of like an elaborate memorial for your loved ones, it's not for them but to show how much they meant to you.
These ideas are of course at odds with most religious views and current ideas about crime and punishment. Hell we haven't even killed all the people responsible for 9-11 yet and that was more than 3,000 innocents who died horrible deaths that shame our country.
I am happy that OBL is dead, and I try and call that good enough. But even though I didn't personally lose a loved one, when I remember the "jumpers" from that day, I could completely forgive the family members who might do anything to OBL if they had been given the chance. I would not think one bit less of them.
I think that is the biggest thing Georgia Boy is missing. Until you are actually put into that position you shout not try to judge another’s actions or condemn others in how they perceive obtaining justice. The same argument to AARs with armchair quarterbacks. While the two examples below would send shock and disbelief through the liberal media, one of the cases I find no fault with.
Two Examples: Abu Ghraib torture vs. pissing on dead insurgents
The “torture” that the prison guards did at Abu Ghraib is unacceptable and shouldn’t be tolerated. However, the Marines that pissed on dead insurgent bodies I have no problem with. The difference between the 2 incidences is that one occurred right after a firefight and the other hours to days after the prisoners being captured. The Marines had just finished a firefight where some of their brothers in arms may have been hurt and needed to relieve that stress. The prison guards at Abu Ghraib were humiliating their prisoners due to boredom and hate.
Going back to fixit69 and his “shotgun barrel method of justice” I don’t see myself going down that dark of a path to obtain justice by sodomizing a bad guy with a shotgun barrel and hopefully never experience anything in my life that would make me seek that type of justice. But, I wouldn’t judge someone that just lost a family member in such a horrific way and did. I also don’t feel that makes that person the “same as the bad guy” because they are not creating that act of brutality but simply facing it with equal force. Murder is the worst crime you can commit in this land. To argue that “just murdering” that person is acceptable but not creating an equal punishment by the means of torture is just splitting hairs.
This is where I'm at. Given the choice between ensuring a slow, painful death and obliterating every picture of them, every instance of their written name, their ashes being flushed down the drain and no mention of their ever having existed henceforth, I'd absolutely choose the latter.
Investing emotion in a sack of garbage that needs to be taken out is a way of giving said garbage a small measure of control within ones psyche. In my world, two Mk 318's to the chest and one to the grille. I'd be walking away before the body hit the ground and never look back.
Fine, but I'd like to ask you one question. Would you do the exact same thing with your child standing there watching you? Because in my world, they would be watching me. Would I be honoring their beliefs of what I am as a man? Would those acts honor their memory? You see, I'm FAR less interested in what the shitstains of the world think of me than my loved ones. The only difference between you and me, is what I place the higher value on.
I think the only thing I would say(because the father in me sees both sides), while it is a horrible way to go for any one, MY child would not be around to see it. She would be dead, according to the story. All the feel good, higher road, kumbyah shit is now out the window. Que the horrible shit happening to the one responsible.
Yeah, it's HuffPo, but here's a goot article with pics on the girl. While it has absolutely zero to do with the perpetrators being 100% at fault, I do question the judgement of the parents that allowed a 15 year old to have a tongue ring. On pic shows what looks to very much be a real tattoo as well.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/09/rehtaeh-parsons-girl-dies-suicide-rape-canada_n_3045033.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/290920/slide_290920_2317268_free.jpg
http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/290920/slide_290920_2317279_free.jpg
And it shouldn't matter if she stars in bukkake porn.
She's somebodies daughter. Maybe not child of the year or parents of the year but...
I do question the judgement of the parents that allowed a 15 year old to have a tongue ring. On pic shows what looks to very much be a real tattoo as well.:confused: Really??? We're going to go there now????? Not to mention they could easily have been after the sexual assault.
And it shouldn't matter if she stars in bukkake porn.
She's somebodies daughter. Maybe not child of the year or parents of the year but...
Which is EXACTLY what I said. It doesn't matter regarding the unwanted sexual attack. Not one bit.
:confused: Really??? We're going to go there now????? Not to mention they could easily have been after the sexual assault.
And perhaps they were. I still question the thought process in play though.
Was 't hating on you, man. Just to clarify.
Was 't hating on you, man. Just to clarify.
No worries man. Carry on! :)
If you don't have a daughter, your opinion carries no weight, as you don't have that visceral 'DAD" feeling.
If it were my daughter, i'd gladly go to prison to have 10 minutes alone in a room with them....
Going back to fixit69 and his “shotgun barrel method of justice” I don’t see myself going down that dark of a path to obtain justice by sodomizing a bad guy with a shotgun barrel and hopefully never experience anything in my life that would make me seek that type of justice.
Me either, I could never see doing something like that to one of my shotguns. Not enough break free in the world to make it right again.
Yeah, it's HuffPo, but here's a goot article with pics on the girl. While it has absolutely zero to do with the perpetrators being 100% at fault, I do question the judgement of the parents that allowed a 15 year old to have a tongue ring. On pic shows what looks to very much be a real tattoo as well.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/09/rehtaeh-parsons-girl-dies-suicide-rape-canada_n_3045033.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/290920/slide_290920_2317268_free.jpg
http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/290920/slide_290920_2317279_free.jpg
I question the wisdom of allowing your 15 year old daughter to be at a party where you don't know everyone involved where something like this could happen.
But I'm not gonna shift blame to the daughter or her parents. They sound like they are guilty of terrible judgement, but they aren't responsible for the rape.
ShortytheFirefighter
04-11-13, 16:21
I read that Canada's chapter of Anonymous has said they'll out the rapists if the authorities won't:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/455998/20130411/anonymous-name-rapists-suicide-rehtaeh-parsons-nova.htm
Good on them if they do it.
Best thing I have read in this thread. Good...
I read that Canada's chapter of Anonymous has said they'll out the rapists if the authorities won't:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/455998/20130411/anonymous-name-rapists-suicide-rehtaeh-parsons-nova.htm
Good on them if they do it.
I wondered if they would act on this, seems it meets their MO. Im all for it.
So is there any factual information posted somewhere as to why the RCMP did not press charges against the kids? I would be happy to castrate the boys with a ball peen hammer if they did what they are accused of, but there is obviously lots of missing information here. Don't know the kinds of laws the Kanooks have re date rape, statutory rape and just plane rape (sad that we classify it, but that's another rant), but I wonder why they couldn't find something to nail the kids with. This is especially true for the guy who has pics of him having sex with the girl. Things aren't adding up. Is the legal system in winter wonder land truly that FUBAR'D?
So is there any factual information posted somewhere as to why the RCMP did not press charges against the kids? I would be happy to castrate the boys with a ball peen hammer if they did what they are accused of, but there is obviously lots of missing information here. Don't know the kinds of laws the Kanooks have re date rape, statutory rape and just plane rape (sad that we classify it, but that's another rant), but I wonder why they couldn't find something to nail the kids with. This is especially true for the guy who has pics of him having sex with the girl. Things aren't adding up. Is the legal system in winter wonder land truly that FUBAR'D?
You mean are they as FUBAR'D as the U.S.?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steubenville_High_School_rape_case
Wow...:bad:
There are no words...
NO action on the part of the victim justifies this crime.
I'm so angry...so cumulatively angry...
We need...we need vigilantes in the night. Outlaws who fix these injustices or something. Someone who brings true justice to the world, regardless of government or lack thereof.
domestique
04-11-13, 18:46
Me either, I could never see doing something like that to one of my shotguns. Not enough break free in the world to make it right again.
Then try frog lube.
Come on guys, we are not psychos..... at LEAST use Tetra gun grease!
Moose-Knuckle
04-11-13, 18:52
I read that Canada's chapter of Anonymous has said they'll out the rapists if the authorities won't:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/455998/20130411/anonymous-name-rapists-suicide-rehtaeh-parsons-nova.htm
Good on them if they do it.
Outstanding! With all hope these oxygen thieves will discover the meaning of blowback.
Good for anonymous. These guys deserve everything coming their way.
ShortytheFirefighter
04-12-13, 11:26
Looking through the news it seems like this isn't localized to one specific area which to me signals the larger and more worrisome question: How have we gotten to the point where our youth think that it's not only ok to engage in a sexual assault, but gloat about it online as though it's something to be laughed at? Have our youth really become that desensitized?
Of course, it would also lead to the question of how the parents let things get to that point but we already know that there are far too many parents out there who aren't doing their job as a parent and so the kids are left to learn from society as a whole.
This was on Fox News this morning, another case out of California where the girl killed herself afterwards:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/12/3-teens-arrested-for-assault-after-girl-suicide/
GeorgiaBoy
04-12-13, 14:18
Vigilante justice, yippee!
Moose-Knuckle
04-12-13, 15:48
Looking through the news it seems like this isn't localized to one specific area which to me signals the larger and more worrisome question: How have we gotten to the point where our youth think that it's not only ok to engage in a sexual assault, but gloat about it online as though it's something to be laughed at? Have our youth really become that desensitized?
Of course, it would also lead to the question of how the parents let things get to that point but we already know that there are far too many parents out there who aren't doing their job as a parent and so the kids are left to learn from society as a whole.
This was on Fox News this morning, another case out of California where the girl killed herself afterwards:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/12/3-teens-arrested-for-assault-after-girl-suicide/
Saw that too this morning.
3 teens arrested for assault after girl's suicide
http://news.yahoo.com/3-teens-arrested-assault-girls-suicide-024221519.html
The police did not arrest or convict anyone in connection with the incident, citing a lack of evidence. Authorities have not yet responded to a request from The Telegraph for comment.
These ****ing lowlifes took pictures of them raping her. How the **** did they have a "lack of evidence"? :shout::shout:
Magic_Salad0892
04-13-13, 00:15
Yeah, it's HuffPo, but here's a goot article with pics on the girl. While it has absolutely zero to do with the perpetrators being 100% at fault, I do question the judgement of the parents that allowed a 15 year old to have a tongue ring. On pic shows what looks to very much be a real tattoo as well.
Eh. The tounge ring isn't permanent, but letting your daughter get a tattoo at 15 is full 'tard.
Magic_Salad0892
04-13-13, 00:16
These ****ing lowlifes took pictures of them raping her. How the **** did they have a "lack of evidence"? :shout::shout:
Seriously. How did they **** that up?
My theory: They didn't give a shit, and didn't wanna "waste" time.
i read "most" of this thread, and im kinda curious about your guys opinion on something...
how many of you fathers out there would let you beautiful 17 year old daughter go to an unsupervised house party with drinking???
i believe that there is an epidemic of young men taking advantage of young women wherever alcohol is involved....
but
there is also a serious problem with females decision making and common sense abilities, mainly that these girls keep putting themselves in situations that a normal person should know is not where they want to be.
i mean how many time has this happened in the past few years?
just last year wasn't there a gang rape at a prom?
i read "most" of this thread, and im kinda curious about your guys opinion on something...
how many of you fathers out there would let you beautiful 17 year old daughter go to an unsupervised house party with drinking???
i believe that there is an epidemic of young men taking advantage of young women wherever alcohol is involved....
but
there is also a serious problem with females decision making and common sense abilities, mainly that these girls keep putting themselves in situations that a normal person should know is not where they want to be.
i mean how many time has this happened in the past few years?
just last year wasn't there a gang rape at a prom?
I fully get what you are saying, but I don't want to tread into "blame the victim" territory.
Even at the height of my "MUST HAVE TANG!" years there were plenty of times some chick was too wasted and in a few instances completely passed out in bra and panties and in a few other glorious times completely naked (don't ask - long story).
In each and every instance they were all completely acceptable **** candidates but I had to take a pass each and every time. I wouldn't equate it with "rape" which to me is "forcible" but I would call it "uninvited" and definitely taking "wrong advantage." You can't take money out of some guys wallet and call it "ok" because he was passed out, and you can't bang some chick for the same reasons and say it's "ok."
Sadly in very few of those instances was I rewarded with hot monkey sex because I waited until they were sober before asking. And the most appalling thing of all is NOBODY HAD TO TEACH ME these things. Some things you just understand are right and wrong or you are really ****ed in the head and will always pose a significant risk to everybody because you just don't get it.
ETA: You really should be able to send your daughter to prom without worrying about her being raped, even if she's had a few. Unless she is actually asking for the D train anyone with an ounce of decency should know better.
I'm sorry but if a woman cannot or is not coherant enough to give consent it it rape, not "uninvited". If a woman is not awake or is too damn ****ed up to understand what she is doing or consenting to, it is rape. Rape isn't only forced.
http://news.yahoo.com/3-teens-arrested-assault-girls-suicide-024221519.html
here is another one out of Cali for an even younger girl.... WTF
it took them 7 months to charge the 3 ****s that did it....
we need some kind of registry for these sick kids.... something like the child molester websites.
i know that idea irks some people but we need to know this shit so we can keep them away from our loved ones.
I'm sorry but if a woman cannot or is not coherant enough to give consent it it rape, not "uninvited". If a woman is not awake or is too damn ****ed up to understand what she is doing or consenting to, it is rape. Rape isn't only forced.
I think we probably agree and are having a debate on terms.
We can call it "non consensual sex", "taking advantage of", "uninvited or unwelcome sex." I just want to have a way of distinguishing it from the more violent, forcibly aggressive kinds of sexual assault that most think of when they hear rape.
I'm not trying to suggest it is in any way "ok", I just want to maintain the distinction.
NOBODY HAD TO TEACH ME these things. Some things you just understand are right and wrong or you are really ****ed in the head and will always pose a significant risk to everybody because you just don't get it.
couldn't have said it better myself....
i also needed no guidance on knowing right from wrong
i never understood how that was even attractive.... sex with some passed out chick just sounds awful.... period
http://news.yahoo.com/3-teens-arrested-assault-girls-suicide-024221519.html
here is another one out of Cali for an even younger girl.... WTF
it took them 7 months to charge the 3 ****s that did it....
we need some kind of registry for these sick kids.... something like the child molester websites.
i know that idea irks some people but we need to know this shit so we can keep them away from our loved ones.
I think big boy crimes should have big boy consequences. If you are actually accomplishing things like murder, rape and armed robbery at the age of 8, you probably need to be under greater supervision than a grown up who didn't do it until he was in his mid 20s.
How is this "bullying"? Why is that word even in the ****ing article?
I'm sorry, but raping someone, then stalking them and blackmailing them with pictures of the act is far and beyond anything that could be considered bullying. They make it sound like they called her fat or something.
"a motion was introduced in Parliament urging for a study into the scope of bullying in Canada and to do more to support anti-bullying organisations"
What's next, we're calling murder "advanced bullying"? How about instead of looking into bullying, you start charging criminals for the crimes they commit.
WTF?
I'm surprised some statutes in some countries haven't devolved to this point yet..
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRHhAiHFXI9HZoAzPW2cJ3s0vsiGze0kZ3aU3Vggx1b6UySU5ZH
How is this "bullying"? Why is that word even in the ****ing article?
I'm sorry, but raping someone, then stalking them and blackmailing them with pictures of the act is far and beyond anything that could be considered bullying. They make it sound like they called her fat or something.
"a motion was introduced in Parliament urging for a study into the scope of bullying in Canada and to do more to support anti-bullying organisations"
What's next, we're calling murder "advanced bullying"? How about instead of looking into bullying, you start charging criminals for the crimes they commit.
WTF?
Moose-Knuckle
04-13-13, 02:29
Eh. The tounge ring isn't permanent, but letting your daughter get a tattoo at 15 is full 'tard.
While a tounge ring is not permanent it is associated with oral sex. Why any one would allow their child to get a tounge ring is beyond reason. Once your 18 and out on your own, have at it if that is your thing.
Moose-Knuckle
04-13-13, 02:36
how many of you fathers out there would let you beautiful 17 year old daughter go to an unsupervised house party with drinking???
I would venture to say not many, however how many teens sneak out? How many lie and say their going to a sleep over at their BFF's when in reality they're going to a party?
i believe that there is an epidemic of young men taking advantage of young women wherever alcohol is involved....
Well that and date rape drugs. Maybe the girl is just a social drinker and nurses her beer, set's it down for just a second or accepts a drink from that cute boy she had her eye on and the next thing you know she wakes up some place new with no clothes on.
http://news.yahoo.com/3-teens-arrested-assault-girls-suicide-024221519.html
here is another one out of Cali for an even younger girl.... WTF
it took them 7 months to charge the 3 ****s that did it....
Already been posted, page 4 post #79.
i know that idea irks some people but we need to know this shit so we can keep them away from our loved ones.
I don't trust anyone, that's about the only sure way. The problem with some registry is what about the predators who have either not commited such a crime before and or those who have not been caught?
Moose-Knuckle
04-13-13, 03:53
Guess RCMP was motivated by Anon . . .
Canada police reopen investigation of alleged rape
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/canada-police-reopen-investigation-alleged-rape-18944716
I imagine very few would
a better question is how many girls will lie to go to a party or not lie and say they are going to hang out with a friend and that friend goes to the party ?
it happens that kids lie to their parents to party
i read "most" of this thread, and im kinda curious about your guys opinion on something...
how many of you fathers out there would let you beautiful 17 year old daughter go to an unsupervised house party with drinking???
i believe that there is an epidemic of young men taking advantage of young women wherever alcohol is involved....
but
there is also a serious problem with females decision making and common sense abilities, mainly that these girls keep putting themselves in situations that a normal person should know is not where they want to be.
i mean how many time has this happened in the past few years?
just last year wasn't there a gang rape at a prom?
A reason: Piss poor Fathers (or no fathers):
- No FATHER to teach the son he sired (or, if that fails, instill enough fear) how women should be treated, and what "taking advantage of" means - and the repercussions ("you won't have to worry about the police, you'd better be worried about ME").
- No FATHER to show his daughter how she should expect a man to respect and treat her, how to spot one that won't, and what happens if she lets herself get into a bad situation and how to get out of it, either by herself or with his help ("baby, you call me anytime and I'll come get you everytime")
- No FATHER to set an example of what it means to be a man and not a child in a man's body.
I'll bet you money that none of these boys have a FATHER, or he's as much a piece of shit as they are. I'm sorry, single moms can try just as hard as they can, but something is lacking in a childs life if they don't have the attention and example setting of BOTH caring parents.
It seems all this 'progressive parenting' is DEVOLVING our humanity. Are we going back towards being animals?
And you honestly think that you taking another's life is going to make everything hunky-dory? Well, maybe you... But I don't know about the average person.
And you think making them suffer pre-death is supposed to make things "even"? This isn't medieval Europe. You think that you committing the same act that they committed makes things better? If you are capable of performing the same act on another person that they did to someone, then you are no better because your conscious allows you to do barbaric things.
This is where it becomes harder and harder to distinguish "good guys" form "bad guys". If you say that the "bad guy" is bad because he committed (and is able to commit without grief) a horrific and tragic act, but to seek revenge you do the same thing, how are you the "good guy"? Just because you didn't originally commit the act doesn't mean you are not just as bad because you are consciously able to commit the same act without remorse.
Anyone pondering doing this to a person is a bit symptomatic of a mental disorder.
Its more of a preventative measure. Lets make sure they never do it again.
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A reason: Piss poor Fathers (or no fathers):
- No FATHER to teach the son he sired (or, if that fails, instill enough fear) how women should be treated, and what "taking advantage of" means - and the repercussions ("you won't have to worry about the police, you'd better be worried about ME").
- No FATHER to show his daughter how she should expect a man to respect and treat her, how to spot one that won't, and what happens if she lets herself get into a bad situation and how to get out of it, either by herself or with his help ("baby, you call me anytime and I'll come get you everytime")
- No FATHER to set an example of what it means to be a man and not a child in a man's body.
I'll bet you money that none of these boys have a FATHER, or he's as much a piece of shit as they are. I'm sorry, single moms can try just as hard as they can, but something is lacking in a childs life if they don't have the attention and example setting of BOTH caring parents.
It seems all this 'progressive parenting' is DEVOLVING our humanity. Are we going back towards being animals?
I think this is getting closer to the point. Teaching this at an early age will stop this shit, to a point. You will always have the completely mentally ****ed and damaged who would do it, no matter how much instruction.
I still think setting the stage for" if you do horrible shit, horrible shit happens to you" eye for an eye will turn this country on a slightly better course.
But we have a long way to go on soo many issues...
Vigilante justice, yippee!
"In my book rapist have no place to live."
Mister, from the movie "Stakeland"
I think this is getting closer to the point. Teaching this at an early age will stop this shit, to a point. You will always have the completely mentally ****ed and damaged who would do it, no matter how much instruction.
I still think setting the stage for" if you do horrible shit, horrible shit happens to you" eye for an eye will turn this country on a slightly better course.
But we have a long way to go on soo many issues...
Some you can head off at the pass, but you will always have those that are evil, and they need to be removed from the gene pool immediately.
Belmont31R
04-13-13, 17:23
We always took care of drunk girls. Lots of teens get drunk at parties. No one I hung out with would ever rape a passed out chick. If they had we would have beat them before the cops got there.
Several people are making the assumption that her parents gave her permission to get her tongue pierced and a tattoo. Is this a verified fact or is it possible she did it on her own?
As a father, I could care less if her father wanted to skin them alive. If it were my tribe there would be severe repercussions.
Moose-Knuckle
04-13-13, 18:56
Is this a verified fact or is it possible she did it on her own?
I have no idea but I assume that if she did it on her own the parents would notice it eventually and then tell her to take it out. But who knows it really doesn't matter considering.
I have no idea but I assume that if she did it on her own the parents would notice it eventually and then tell her to take it out. But who knows it really doesn't matter considering.
I'm with you and don't think it's relevant. However, she could've just as easily had it pierced, taken a picture with her friend, got home and got an ear full and made to remove it. Then posted her rebel picture on FB or whatever...
Regardless, I hope Anon nails who did it and they get their just desserts.
Magic_Salad0892
04-13-13, 23:21
While a tounge ring is not permanent it is associated with oral sex. Why any one would allow their child to get a tounge ring is beyond reason. Once your 18 and out on your own, have at it if that is your thing.
I'm aware, but if you're not a ****in' idiot, and you're kids like you enough to talk to you then you can generally figure out if they're having sex, or if something's up.
And if your kid is comfortable with you, then more often than not, they'd just tell you.
At least, that's how it was where I'm from.
Moose-Knuckle
04-14-13, 03:09
I'm aware, but if you're not a ****in' idiot, and you're kids like you enough to talk to you then you can generally figure out if they're having sex, or if something's up.
And if your kid is comfortable with you, then more often than not, they'd just tell you.
At least, that's how it was where I'm from.
Well I'm not a parent but if I become one I won't really give a shit if my kids are "comfortable" with me or not. If they fear me when they're 17 then they will thank me when they're 30. Most people that I know who came from descent homes that had a mother and father who vyed to be their BFFs (enablers) instead of their parents turned out to be douche nozzles of the highest order.
Teens rebel . . . sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll . . . keeping things from their parents . . . this is the natural order of things where I'm from.
Show me your friends and I'll show you your future.
Magic_Salad0892
04-14-13, 15:38
Show me your friends and I'll show you your future.
What if you have no friends?
Then having no friends is the least of your problems
Besides your magic salad. You are the man...
If you give your kids a cell phone, get logs of all the text messages.
And don't send them to public or private school. You can do a better job on your own, even if you don't have a college degree. There is no difference between the quality of kids that were homeschooled by people with degrees and without. You can produce a better product on less than $500 a year with no degree than the so called highly trained educational system professionals.
85-90% of your kids peers in school will be kids from broken families and families that never existed.
I know that girls parents were bad because you see the photos of her with the tats and the tongue piercing, but you don't see any photos of the caning marks afterwards.
Steyraug this is the story i was referring to.
(disclaimer)-do not read if you believe people to be naturally good and caring.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/27/police-people-watched-gan_n_334975.html
how the **** did NO ONE step in????? :suicide2:
Steyraug this is the story i was referring to.
(disclaimer)-do not read if you believe people to be naturally good and caring.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/27/police-people-watched-gan_n_334975.html
how the **** did NO ONE step in????? :suicide2:
Isn't that about the same zip code where people were renting ladders so that others could try and rescue victims on the collapsed overpass over the earthquake?
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