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wedgehead30
04-10-13, 15:30
I saw the initial video and was disappointed that my more liberal friends used him as an example of why we need more gun control. I try to educate them with facts instead of emotional feel good responses they use. Mr. Yeager sure does make it harder for our side.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/09/17673095-gun-instructor-could-get-permit-back-after-threatening-to-start-killing-people?lite

The chief executive of a Tennessee firearms instruction school, who said in an online video that he was “going to start killing people” if gun control laws were tightened, could get his carry permit back.
A judge in Benton County ruled on April 3 that the suspension of James Yeager’s handgun carry permit was not supported by the evidence against him.

Yeager lost his handgun carry permit on Jan. 10 after posting a video on Youtube in which he threatened violent action if President Obama pursued executive actions that would tighten restrictions on gun ownership. His original video was later replaced with an edited version that omits the remarks about “killing people.”


“I need all you patriots to start thinking about what you’re going to do, load your damn mags, make sure your rifle’s clean, pack a backpack with some food in it, and get ready to fight,” Yeager said in the original Jan. 9 video, now archived on the website of the Southern Poverty Law Center. “If it goes one inch further, I’m going to start killing people.”

A more sedate Yeager, seated alongside his attorney, tempered his statements in a video posted days later, on Jan. 11.
“I do not in any way advocate the overthrowing of the United States government,” Yeager said. “I was very angry when I made that video.”

Yeager filed a petition to have his handgun permit returned on Feb. 1.
There are 412,465 handgun permit holders in Tennessee, according to the state department of safety. A total of 1,389 permits were suspended or revoked in 2012.

The state attorney general has 10 days to appeal the Benton County court’s ruling. No decision to appeal had been made on Tuesday.
Based in Camden, Tenn., Yeager’s company, Tactical Response, offers courses in pistol, rifle, and shotgun shooting, including a two-day handgun course taught by him.

Some of Yeager’s own qualifications as a gun instructor have come into question since his Youtube video. The man, who has appeared on the Discovery Channel show “One Man Army” and National Geographic’s “Snipers, Inc.,” claims in his biography on his personal website Yeager’s Corner that he is a “TN Department of Safety Certified Firearms Instructor,” among other credentials including “knife defense instructor” and “chemical weapons instructor.”
But Yeager is not a certified as a firearms instructor by the Tennessee Department of Safety and Homeland Security, Communications Director Jennifer Donnals said in an email. “Also, Tactical Response is not a certified school for this department,” Donnals said.
“What is listed on my website is my training history, and it is a catalog of all the certifications and qualifications I’ve had at one point in time,” Yeager told NBC News on Tuesday. “I am not currently certified by the state of Tennessee to teach carry permit classes, but I have been in the past.”

Yeager’s website also details years working in law enforcement and as a private security contractor. He worked as chief of police in the town of Big Sandy, Tenn., from 1998 to 2000, and a deputy at the Benton County sheriff’s office from 2000 to 2002, according to the site. He also served with a private security detail in Iraq from 2004 to 2005 with Edinburgh Risk and Security Management.

Yeager lost the position of police chief in Big Sandy after a new mayor was elected, said city recorder Debbie Wright, who described Yeager as “very ambitious” for the town with a population of 539.
“He did a very extensive volunteer program, a ride-along type program, and a few people had problems with that,” Wright said.
When a new mayor came in, Yeager was out, according to Wright.
“They had different ideas about how the police department should be run,” Wright said.

Yeager ran for Benton County sheriff in 2006 against Tony King, who still holds office in the county with 16,500 people.
King said he received an email from the Department of Homeland Security informing him that Yeager’s permit had been revoked. Yeager’s video “probably drew more attention than he thought it would,” King said. “I think probably he let his temper get carried away with him.”

Yeager has backed off his initial statements, saying he is not planning on shooting anyone in a January interview – but he has also made it clear that he thinks that violence would be appropriate to protect certain 2nd Amendment rights.

“It will be time to shoot people when the Constitution is set on fire,” Yeager told local NBC affiliate WSMV in January. “If somebody comes to take my guns, I will shoot them.”

The state has 10 days to appeal the judge's ruling.

Neither Yeager nor the Department of Safety would comment until the ruling is final.

Here's another interesting story if it's true:

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2012/12/07/sign-a-duel-contract-and-possibly-get-murdered-by-james-yeager/

SteyrAUG
04-10-13, 16:57
The only thing he did wrong was not SPECIFY who he was talking about shooting.

Every day people talk about using lethal force to defend their lives, their freedoms and protect their families. If you are going to say things like that you have to be more specific.

You can't say "If X happens I'm going to start shooting people."

Who does "people" mean? Congressmen? Neighbors? Random people at the mall?

Most of us KNEW what "people" he was talking about (ie those who would restrict his rights and freedoms) but the problem is he didn't specify and that left it open to interpretation thus requiring and investigation, clarification of comments, etc.

a0cake
04-10-13, 18:04
Those who would restrict his rights are elected officials. I don't think the authorities would have been one bit more sanguine about his behavior if he had specified that.

bp7178
04-10-13, 18:27
James Yeager

That's all I needed to know.

NeoNeanderthal
04-10-13, 18:34
"If anyone comes to take my guns i will ****ing kill them" would have been a WAAY better way to put it.

SteyrAUG
04-10-13, 19:11
Those who would restrict his rights are elected officials. I don't think the authorities would have been one bit more sanguine about his behavior if he had specified that.


They would NOT have been happy. But if he specified that he was talking about defending his civil rights from those who would violate them he'd still have his carry permit.

a0cake
04-10-13, 19:27
They would NOT have been happy. But if he specified that he was talking about defending his civil rights from those who would violate them he'd still have his carry permit.

Yeah maybe. I don't know how it's possible that anyone could fail to infer that meaning form context though. But I've learned never to bet against people's stupidity.

SteyrAUG
04-10-13, 20:17
Yeah maybe. I don't know how it's possible that anyone could fail to infer that meaning form context though. But I've learned never to bet against people's stupidity.


It's not so much that anyone really believed he meant his neighbors, people at the mall or whatever. It's that he left the door open for people to suggest he might have meant those things. And that was grounds enough for him to have his license pulled and be investigated.

currahee
04-10-13, 20:27
Personally I like watching Yeager and agree with a lot of his stuff, it's kind of like professional wrestling.

wedgehead30
04-11-13, 07:49
Personally I like watching Yeager and agree with a lot of his stuff, it's kind of like professional wrestling.

Yeah I gotta admit I enjoy watching his videos. I find them quite entertaining. Like you said, in a WWE kinda way. But his claim to be "the worlds best tactical instructor"....well that's pretty ballsy considering the other professional instructors out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN5Ioa43i4U

TAZ
04-11-13, 17:22
The only thing he did wrong was not SPECIFY who he was talking about shooting.

I beg to differ. The thing he did wrong was open his pie hole on a public video where he threatened violence.

This whole retarded Facebook, Twitter, YouTube share-a-thon can lead to trouble if you don't watch what you say or do. He is the poster boy for loose lips get you screwed, blued and tattooed.

Traveshamockery
04-11-13, 17:32
I didn't realize Yeager was formerly police chief of Big Sandy. My in-laws used to live there. It's literally two gas stations at an intersection.

My sister-in-law ran into one of his instructors at the bank in Paducah, KY. He boasted that "I teach people how to kill for a living." Classy.

LowSpeed_HighDrag
04-11-13, 17:36
While I in no way, shape, or form like Yeager, I cant help but feel that his message (directed at tyrannical politicians) is one shared by many reasonable and law abiding Americans today. I wonder if the founding fathers would be judged for saying essentially the same thing towards British rulers?

theblackknight
04-11-13, 18:17
I agree,he is the Ted Nugent of instructors.

Thats his main problem also.

SteyrAUG
04-11-13, 18:18
I beg to differ. The thing he did wrong was open his pie hole on a public video where he threatened violence.

This whole retarded Facebook, Twitter, YouTube share-a-thon can lead to trouble if you don't watch what you say or do. He is the poster boy for loose lips get you screwed, blued and tattooed.


I don't disagree. But IF he had specified, it would have been a non issue. It's part of why he is a retard.

brushy bill
04-11-13, 18:34
I didn't realize Yeager was formerly police chief of Big Sandy. My in-laws used to live there. It's literally two gas stations at an intersection.

My sister-in-law ran into one of his instructors at the bank in Paducah, KY. He boasted that "I teach people how to kill for a living." Classy.

What does "instructor" mean? I'm not familiar with the town, but if Big Sandy is a smaller town in KY, it does not run it's own police academy. Officers there would attend the Department of Criminal Justice Training in Richmond KY. I can pretty much guarantee you they wouldn't have said something as foolish. Do you mean one of his FTOs?

Irish
04-11-13, 18:44
I didn't realize Yeager was formerly police chief of Big Sandy. My in-laws used to live there. It's literally two gas stations at an intersection.

My sister-in-law ran into one of his instructors at the bank in Paducah, KY. He boasted that "I teach people how to kill for a living." Classy.

From what I've read the reason he was forced out was he wanted his own SWAT team and was pushing hard for it. That didn't go over well with the town folk. They like their small town peace officers and didn't see the need.