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SilentButDeadly
03-25-08, 09:35
Those of you who are using the Surefire X300 on your AR/M16;How do you like it? I am trying to decide between the Surefire M951, M961, M600A Scout, & the X300. How does the X300 compare? How durable is it?
Jay Cunningham
03-25-08, 10:44
Those of you who are using the Surefire X300 on your AR/M16;How do you like it? I am trying to decide between the Surefire M951, M961, M600A Scout, & the X300. How does the X300 compare? How durable is it?
I personally think that the x300 is going to make all the above systems obsolete with the exception of very powerful 9v units with specialized applications. There will still be a place for the G2 in a lightweight mount, however.
I like mine. They need a clicky tailswitch option, IMO.
Just ran my X300 thru 1300+ rds. in an EAG (Pat class). Have it mounted @ 6 o'clock, in an LT mount
w/a SF (XT) long gun switch, all on my 10.5". No issues & rock solid in the mount (expect nothing less w/ the LT).
Have sold one SF 910A, still have one on my house rifle. Like the 910 but hope the X300 (w/ a Micro-T) help w/
the weight issue, both seem too so far. Pat's 3 day was an all daylight one, soooo ........... CLEARLY more time needed
for nite/low light usage before the verdict is in.
HTH & YMMV.
The X300 is probably my favorite gp carbine light.
Just ran my X300 thru 1300+ rds. in an EAG (Pat class). Have it mounted @ 6 o'clock, in an LT mount
w/a SF (XT) long gun switch, all on my 10.5". No issues & rock solid in the mount (expect nothing less w/ the LT).
Have sold one SF 910A, still have one on my house rifle. Like the 910 but hope the X300 (w/ a Micro-T) help w/
the weight issue, both seem too so far. Pat's 3 day was an all daylight one, soooo ........... CLEARLY more time needed
for nite/low light usage before the verdict is in.
HTH & YMMV.
Funny. I ran mine through 1300+ rounds at a Defensive Concepts North Carolina carbine course a couple of weeks ago and it did really well. I couldn't justify the LaRue mount, since I wasn't positive this would be a dedicated carbine light. The stock SF mount held tightly and I don't think I need the LaRue mount after all.
The X300 is a bitch to get on and off the rails initially, but the SF mount "softens" a little after a few installs onto the rail - making it much easier to adjust. I don't like the pointy switch. It works fine, I'd just rather have a clicky or an XM type switch for the X300.
IIRC, the output on the X300 is similar to the E1B? If so, it has plenty of light for my uses. My E1B illuminates the woods across the street (~60 yards) pretty well.
Jay Cunningham
03-26-08, 14:21
I would suggest trying the included "Rail Lock" system.
Those of you who are using the Surefire X300 on your AR/M16;How do you like it? I am trying to decide between the Surefire M951, M961, M600A Scout, & the X300. How does the X300 compare? How durable is it?
For home defense/CQB, I think it is a good choice.
C4
saromans134
03-26-08, 21:14
I like mine. They need a clicky tailswitch option, IMO.
I agree with that. I like mine and use it on my AR. It was amazingly brighter than the X200 and the batteries are the original ones I stuck in it a few months ago.
I have used a X300 located at the 6 o'clock position on my Commando since the end of last summer. It has performed flawlessly since and I would recommend it as an option to anyone looking for a weapon light. The only change I would like to see is the following set up for the toggle switch; (1) one flip is Constant On, (2) the opposing flip is Constant Strobe and (3) retain the Momentary On with the forward push of the toggle.
wicked_police
03-27-08, 19:38
I've got an M961 on my 6920, and an X200 with XT07 swtich on my 9mm AR. Going to pick up a few X300's and switches for the 9mm AR, my 10.3" AR, and pistols.
Like Grant said, depending on the application, the X300 is an almost ideal piece of kit.
Robb Jensen
03-27-08, 21:02
I personally think that the x300 is going to make all the above systems obsolete with the exception of very powerful 9v units with specialized applications. There will still be a place for the G2 in a lightweight mount, however.
I agree. My X300 was probably the brightest at the recent Vickers.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/gunpics/f304d55c.jpg
A couple of people have mentioned XT switches. I didn't think these are out yet, where did you get them from?
A couple of people have mentioned XT switches. I didn't think these are out yet, where did you get them from?
Same here, been looking for the XT's for a while.
Same here, been looking for the XT's for a while.
They were out since the X200A days. Then towards the end of the X200B days, they released an updated version. We saw some of these towards the middle of 2007, but have not seen them since. :(
C4
They were out since the X200A days. Then towards the end of the X200B days, they released an updated version. We saw some of these towards the middle of 2007, but have not seen them since. :(
C4
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c270/dspipes/DSC01047.jpg
The design was poor. These two have been back at Surefire since May 2007 because the plastic tab that keeps the cover closed snapped off on both of them - while in my rifle bag. Surefire is supposed to be replacing them.
Surefire said in December that they had completed the redesign and would be available by the end of the month. They said that in December, January, February and its now the end of March.
I'm a little irritated that I'm still waiting after 10 months, but hopefully Surefire gets them right this time.
I agree. My X300 was probably the brightest at the recent Vickers.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/gunpics/f304d55c.jpg
I have been thinking about using one of these x300 for my 16" ar for home def., what part of the rail would be an ideal choice to mount and would the 16" lenght of barrel interfer with the light beam? as for the rail I mean like side, top, bottom, etc., the reason for me for this partiular light it would be nice to take off the rifle and attach to my sidearm if needed, so thats one of the main reasons why I'm looking into purchasing one of these. So I'm was wondering everyones imput on this. If anyone is using this on a 16" barrel and you have pics, you wouldn't kindly mind posting them for me, would you. Thanks everyone for your time.
By the way gotm4, very nice ar
Fireguy275
04-01-08, 00:36
Jedimac: Here's my X300 on a 12" rail, 16" upper. No negative issues.
http://photos.imageevent.com/fireguy275/firearms/websize/x300.jpg
Good thread.
I'm looking to update my primary carbine light set-up, and the X300 is on my short list.
David Thomas
04-01-08, 10:17
I have been thinking about using one of these x300 for my 16" ar for home def., what part of the rail would be an ideal choice to mount and would the 16" lenght of barrel interfer with the light beam?...
If anyone is using this on a 16" barrel and you have pics, you wouldn't kindly mind posting them for me, would you. Thanks everyone for your time.
Both ar 16" midlength carbines with 12" handguards (top is a older JP & the other is a Vltor VIS. This set up gives you a midlength sight radius and an optimal light placement for the x300. The light is set between your bore and sights/optic. The x300 does not interfere with the sight picture nor does it obscure the target, even when used in conjunction with an Eotech without a riser. I also think the forward 12:00 o'clock light placement could/would help reduce white light AD's without making the light dificult to activate. Of course, your mileage may vary.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/DavidThomas/GOTM4oldupper014.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/DavidThomas/VIS556001.jpg
The x300 should be on everyone's short list. It is a fantastic light.
Both ar 16" midlength carbines with 12" handguards (top is a older JP & the other is a Vltor VIS. This set up gives you a midlength sight radius and an optimal light placement for the x300. The light is set between your bore and sights/optic. The x300 does not interfere with the sight picture nor does it obscure the target, even when used in conjunction with an Eotech without a riser. I also think the forward 12:00 o'clock light placement could/would help reduce white light AD's without making the light dificult to activate. Of course, your mileage may vary.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/DavidThomas/GOTM4oldupper014.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/DavidThomas/VIS556001.jpg
The x300 should be on everyone's short list. It is a fantastic light.
My only problem at 12:00 position is I don't have folding front site, so I was thinking either at 3:00 since im right handed or at 6:00 position with a tango down vert grip, I just have the standard sight that came from the factory, I was originally just going to buy a SF 6P Defender and put on it, then after reading specs on SF website I realized that might not be a good idea, so I saw the new x300 and it was like a light went on in my head and I saw it and said to myself thats it thats the one, so I think I made my mind up now to take a drive over to G&R and see if Grant has any in stock. Nice Rifles by the way. So do you think the 3:00 or 6:00 position would hurt at all or is mearly preference of the shooter?
Thanks for your help and pics to everyone
There are rails that will allow you to mount the light as such without removing the foxed front sight.
Look for the DD 12.0 FSP
There are rails that will allow you to mount the light as such without removing the foxed front sight.
Look for the DD 12.0 FSP
Nice rail, that looks to be the ticket for me, thanks for the info
Robb Jensen
04-01-08, 14:47
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/DavidThomas/GOTM4oldupper014.jpg
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That upper looks familiar! ;)
David Thomas
04-01-08, 15:46
That upper looks familiar! ;)
It should; I stole it from you. In fact, let me know when you sell this upper's replacement. Isn't it about that time?
Jedimac,
I have not used the DD 12.0 FSP, but I would not hesitate to do so if I had a fixed FSB. VTAC/JP also offers a handguard for carbines with a fixed FSB.
Here is how I mounted mine.
http://allanromero.smugmug.com/photos/273288857_xTQDF-L.jpg
SilentButDeadly
04-04-08, 11:54
Well, I came across a killer deal on a M600A Scout Light. So, I'm using it for now, but I may still buy a X300, and compare the two. I wish the X300 had more tailcap options. Although, apparently Surefire is supposed to be releasing some shortly.
AllanRR you have inspired me to order a UBR for my 10.5" MRP. I have a SOPMOD on it now, which I really like. Once the UBR comes in, I'll compare the two, and sell whichever one I don't use.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l53/tgianotti/DSC00621.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l53/tgianotti/DSC00622.jpg
A fixed front sight base gets pretty hot after a few rounds. Anyone have a problem burning their support side thumb/hand on the fixed FSB when activating an X300 mounted at 12 o'clock on an extended rail?
SilentButDeadly
04-19-08, 14:35
I think I am going to hold off on the X300 until the XM tailcap with tape switch becomes more available. Even then, I'm not sure I will switch. I am pretty happy with the M600A Scout Light.
I use thesae set up as Allen, PK send this ligeht gto me prior to its officiag release and Bill Murphy of Surefire Institute kick in a rfle kit to round off the package.
The rifle switch is a great add on, it allows the light to be used with either hand. I ride my thumb on the rail panel so on storng hand, activate with the pressure pad and went in support hand shooting, i use the switch on the light itself. I ran it at an ITTS advanced carbine class and the light reached out to 100m to illuminate the moving targets, the brightness is impressive in a small package to say the least. I don't think I would need anything brighter for a rifle light.
the Surefire light mount is pretty sturdy, but the Larue X300 mount definitely add the security and peace of mind.
I do like the Scout light, and i ran one on my PWS piston rifle. I actually utilize the adapter so i can run the 6P head.and within that bezel, i run a 250lumens CREE LED lamp, it is amazingly bright!!
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/cltactical/huge/DSCN0052.JPG
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/cltactical/huge/DSCN0050.JPG
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/cltactical/huge/DSCN0049.JPG
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/cltactical/huge/DSCN0048.JPG
decodeddiesel
04-28-08, 11:02
Nice looking setup. Thinking the X300 maybe my next weapons light.
Received mine yesterday, used it in a class last night.
Excellent light. Could easily be the only light on my carbine.
My X300 with the rifle kit back plate just went TU this week.
the little plastic tap that the locking lever connect to on the back plate just snap off, it is partially open and battery exposed, but the back plate made contact with my rial system which is still keeping a contact with the battery so the light is still useable.
calling SF CS today.
Received mine yesterday, used it in a class last night.
Excellent light. Could easily be the only light on my carbine.
I agree. I only wish I had used a different rail that put it a little further forward. I'll have to investigate further.
I want to throw an Aimpoint Micro on this gun and have a really nice lightweight package.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/IMG_2601.jpg
so will the XT07 for the X200 lights,work with the X300?
nevermind,found answer in another thread(appears it will).
My X300 with the rifle kit back plate just went TU this week.
the little plastic tap that the locking lever connect to on the back plate just snap off, it is partially open and battery exposed, but the back plate made contact with my rial system which is still keeping a contact with the battery so the light is still useable.
calling SF CS today.
Same thing happened to mine. I believe this is one of the main reasons for the redesign of the XT switch. I called to get a ra# and was told that they could not give me an eta on getting it back or getting a replacement as they are still in the middle of redesigning the XT. Then I put my broken XT aside in a box with the ra# on it, and my wife apparently tossed it in the trash, :mad: so either way I will have to wait until they release the new XT to get one.
I am puzzled by the delay on the XT switch. This has got to be one of the most requested, highly anticipated, most desirable accessories that SF makes. I know they want to get it right, but come on already!!! I personally know 4 guys at my PD not including myself, who have been waiting for the X300/XT/SR07 set up for their carbines. I may replace my SF M900 with this set-up once the new XT becomes available to lighten things up a bit;)
Same thing happened to mine. I believe this is one of the main reasons for the redesign of the XT switch. I called to get a ra# and was told that they could not give me an eta on getting it back or getting a replacement as they are still in the middle of redesigning the XT. Then I put my broken XT aside in a box with the ra# on it, and my wife apparently tossed it in the trash, :mad: so either way I will have to wait until they release the new XT to get one.
I am puzzled by the delay on the XT switch. This has got to be one of the most requested, highly anticipated, most desirable accessories that SF makes. I know they want to get it right, but come on already!!! I personally know 4 guys at my PD not including myself, who have been waiting for the X300/XT/SR07 set up for their carbines. I may replace my SF M900 with this set-up once the new XT becomes available to lighten things up a bit;)
Like I said earlier in the thread, I had two and the plastic tab broke off both of them. They've been back at Surefire since May 07 and I've heard they'll be ready with the redesign by the end of the month for just about the 12th time.
forgive me...
is this the faulty XT switch in question?
or the new one?
or a different switch entirely?
http://www.opticsplanet.net/surefire-tailcap-switch-assembly-for-x200-weaponlight-disable-constant-on-tape-switch.html
modavis7722
05-08-08, 01:15
[QUOTE=rob_s;160036]I agree. I only wish I had used a different rail that put it a little further forward. I'll have to investigate further.
I want to throw an Aimpoint Micro on this gun and have a really nice lightweight package.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/IMG_2601.jpg[/QUOTh
how did you get that light mounted on the forend without a rail system
forgive me...
is this the faulty XT switch in question?
or the new one?
or a different switch entirely?
http://www.opticsplanet.net/surefire-tailcap-switch-assembly-for-x200-weaponlight-disable-constant-on-tape-switch.html
Its the one pictured in my post on page 1. And also the switch on SMGLee's rifle.
I doubt mine is the "new one" since they broke a year ago. From what I gather from Surefire, the redesigned one should be ready at the "end of the month." But as I said, they've said that to me for a year.
how did you get that light mounted on the forend without a rail system
Two-part epoxy. Yeah, the light doesn't QD anymore but so what, at least it's not going anywhere.
:p
Kidding
I used one of these (http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=25779&title=TACTICAL%20ILLUMINATOR%20MOUNT)
http://www.brownells.com/Images/Products/100000831.jpg
modavis7722
05-08-08, 14:18
You seriously had me going for a moment! I was like, forget that, im not epoxying anything to my weapon. Good one....:D Thanks for the reply. Any other options that you know about. I was thinking about getting a SF rail system, but id rather save the money for an Eotech
Got an X300 with LT mount recently and put it on my trusty LMT. Very impressive light.
With my weak hand on the FUG I can hit the X300 switch easily with my index finger, but I'm still keeping an eye out for different "redesigned" switch options from Surefire.
http://members.cox.net/drmark/LMT/LMT&X300%2001.JPG
http://members.cox.net/drmark/LMT/LMT&X300%2002.JPG
http://members.cox.net/drmark/LMT/LMT&X300%2003.JPG
Its the one pictured in my post on page 1. And also the switch on SMGLee's rifle.
I doubt mine is the "new one" since they broke a year ago. From what I gather from Surefire, the redesigned one should be ready at the "end of the month." But as I said, they've said that to me for a year.
this is what I have been told.
One other thing about my broken switch, I will have to completely remove my LaRue mount in order to removve the switch cap.....sigh!
Word is that the revised XT switches have been released, and those dealers that have them ordered should be receiving theirs soon if they havent already.
They reportedly have the same controls as the standard X300 switch which have replaced the toggle switch on the older version, and there is a plug-in point for the included SR tapeswitch.
Luckily I found my broken XT swich and sent it off to SF last week, so hopefully my replacement will show up soon....
Word is that the revised XT switches have been released, and those dealers that have them ordered should be receiving theirs soon if they havent already.
They reportedly have the same controls as the standard X300 switch which have replaced the toggle switch on the older version, and there is a plug-in point for the included SR tapeswitch.
Luckily I found my broken XT swich and sent it off to SF last week, so hopefully my replacement will show up soon....
This is correct. I got confirmation that I have 20 of these coming to me now!
C4
hornblower
06-03-08, 14:30
I had the same problem.
If you look at the top to the X300 you will notice 6 screws - 3 on each side.
Use an allen wrench to open these, put the unit on the rifle, and then slightly tighten the screws.
I found this made getting it on and off very easy to do.
Word is that the revised XT switches have been released, and those dealers that have them ordered should be receiving theirs soon if they havent already.
They reportedly have the same controls as the standard X300 switch which have replaced the toggle switch on the older version, and there is a plug-in point for the included SR tapeswitch.
Luckily I found my broken XT swich and sent it off to SF last week, so hopefully my replacement will show up soon....
I guess that those of us who have had ours back for repair/replacement over a year ago (yes, I just recently passed my one year anniversary) might actually see them sometime "before the end of the month" this time - for real. :rolleyes:
My replacement XT07 showed up today. For those concerned about the strength of the new XT's locking "Tab" which was the most common issue on the older version, they have re-enforced the tab with a metal insert to protect it from snapping off. Looks like it should hold up just fine.
http://i30.tinypic.com/2ezlegg.jpg
I threw the XT/X300 set-up on my MRP to see how it feels, and I think my M900 is gonna have to sit the bench for a while. A zip tie or two,
some FDE rail ladders, and a little Coyote Alumahide to the LaRue F.U.G. and tapeswitch panel and it should be just about perfect:
http://i32.tinypic.com/2ztkp6t.jpg
I actually think I prefer the standard pressure switch over the SR switch:
http://i25.tinypic.com/691fm9.jpg
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