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ESK
04-22-13, 17:07
As requested in another thread, some M4C members asked me to post pictures of the Holloway Arms HAC 7.

I’m not going to talk about the history of the HAC 7, nor the story of Bob Holloway. I’m also not going to get into all the specific models (title 1, Class 3, left and right hand versions, sniper, battle rifle or carbine). I will only focus on the best features that make the weapon SO unique. A couple years back, I had the privilege of meeting Bob, and for those of you that are interested, he is doing well. Even though he doesn’t currently work in the firearm industry, his dream is to get back into the industry and continue developing great product. For now, he’s happy with what he’s doing and I personally look forward to seeing what he has to offer. Now onto the HAC 7…..

I personally love the HAC 7. I first saw ads back in the Mid-80’s in Gung Ho or Firepower magazine. I’ve been following the weapon’s history and hoped and prayed I could get one someday. I was finally able to get one (a very early model) with the serial number range in the “twenties”. Seeing that only a few hundred we manufactured, the construction was crude but simple. Holloway developed the weapon for ease of manufacturing, while retaining simple ergonomics. Most of the weapon is constructed of aluminum and the fore-end and grip are injection molded plastic (too hard to be Nylon, but it could be). What makes this weapon so unique is the action. Holloway married up the design of the long-stroke piston and a semi-direct gas impingement (gas tube) design. Of course this design was mainly developed to lessen barrel whip, which occurs on most piston systems and also lessen the weight over the barrel. As seen in the pictures below, the shorty piston looks similar to one found in an AKSU-74 (Krink). The gas tube is short and free-floating. With this combination, not only does it lessen muzzle weight and increase accuracy, but it also eliminates the gases from going into the upper receiver. Just in front of the upper receiver, under the handguard, the piston guide tube has gas venting ports.

The major benefit of the HAC is the long dwell time in the action. Longer dwell time, usually means less felt recoil. For being light weight, the HAC7 is one of the smoothest shooting battle rifles ever made in the .308 Winchester cartridge. I always thought the Portuguese NATO AR-10 or the BM59 (with its Tri-comp compensator system) was the most controllable battle rifle made, until shooting the HAC. The HAC use a two-lug rotating bolt, but with a Stoner style cam-pin design. The bolt rotates 60-degrees (counter-clockwise) like a Stoner system. Due to its 60-degree rotation, the cam slot is very long, giving it its extended dwell time, but also giving it extremely long upper and lower receiver length. Another ingenious design Holloway came up with is the use of the “cartridge bearing plate”. This plate cycles with the bolt, in and out of the carrier. Its primary goal is to supply even force and form over the waiting cartridges in the magazine. With the extended dwell time, the bolt head would protrude from the bolt carrier, making an unsupported distance between the bolt head and carrier. Without the plate, this void would probably increase malfunctions and/or damage the cartridge as it loads into the chamber. The Cartridge Bearing Plate is the cleverest way to allow a smooth transfer over the waiting cartridges. The rest of the carrier group is simple, but well executed. The ejector is spring loaded (i.e. Stoner), the extractor uses a plunger and spring, like the M14, M60, AK74 etc. The firing pin resembles one found in an early AR10, and the firing pin retainer is a captive plunger, that can’t accidentally be lost.

The lower receiver group is extremely simple. The fire control group is a simple re-design of Browning’s double-hook design. The trigger and hammer pin location is almost identical to the AK. Even though they are similar, no other pre-existing weapons components were used on the HAC 7, except for a modified AR10 magazine. Holloway used an AK-style centered magazine release, which unfortunately means the AR10 magazine needed modification, a notch on the back strap, to latch in the magazine well. Another unique feature is the “shaft” or FAL style bolt-catch. Holloway used two different designs during production, but majority of the production models had a late-model/simpler design. Pictured in this thread is the early model configuration.

The barrel cluster is also similar to the Stoner/Johnson design, meaning it utilizes a threaded-on barrel extension. One unique feature is that barrel assembly is loaded in to the upper receiver from the back side. After the barrel is slid into place and indexed with the gas piston guide tube, a barrel nut is used to lock everything into place. The gas block offers two different valving functions; one is a “pull and rotate” knob-type gas adjustment and the other is a gas shut-off valve. The shut-off valve is used for barrel mounted spigot grenades. The shut-off valve and other HAC components can be adjusted and disassembled with the use of a cartridge. Some examples are the mentioned shut-off valve and the gas tube retaining plug, which can be disassembled with the rim of a .308Win casing.

All in all, the weapon is just full of neat and simple ideas. If Holloway had the time, money and resources to finish the weapon, the way he wanted to, then HAC 7 would probably be a major player today. There are no new ideas in the firearms world, just improved plagiarism. As long as it’s legal, all of the modern designers have and will do it. Sometimes though, there comes along some clever guy, like Robert Holloway, that can add his neat twist to things that show to be a major improvement over existing designs. If it was up to me, I’d bring back an improved HAC 7, probably the way Holloway would want to see it become.

For more information on the HAC 7, visit this website:
http://www.biggerhammer.net/hac7/

For patent information, go here:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4579034.pdf

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JoshNC
04-22-13, 17:49
Outstanding photos. Thank you for taking the time to post these. Does the bolt lock into a steel trunion within the aluminum receiver or into a barrel extension similar to the AR15/M16.

Looks like an interesting design. I agree that the cartridge bearing plate is a clever design.

It would be very interesting to see a modernized version of the HAC-7 released.

LibertyNeverDies
04-22-13, 18:36
At the MSRP of $675 with inflation it would put the price today at roughly $1500. A 7.62 coming under two grand would probably do quite well. A scaled down 5.56 version would be interesting.
Are there any current attempts to modernize the design for modern manufacturing methods?
Would it be possible to take some pictures of the inside of the upper?
Would the upper design lend itself to extrusion?
This is a very interesting/simple design I'm glad you posted.
Thanks for sharing.

Cagemonkey
04-22-13, 20:01
Thanks for the photos and write up. I wasn't familiar with its specifics and innovations. Very impressive. It would be nice if some company updated it a little and put it into production.

LibertyNeverDies
04-22-13, 20:07
Does the bolt lock into a steel trunion within the aluminum receiver or into a barrel extension similar to the AR15/M16.


Looks like a barrel extension in figure 6.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4579034.pdf

Hizzie
04-22-13, 20:35
Kinda Galil'ish. I like it.

96 SS
04-22-13, 20:59
Very cool. I had never heard of this.

Jack-O
04-22-13, 22:40
wow, what a sweet little rifle. I REALLY like the simplicity. heck I even like the AK style mag release.

oddly I see a few things the XCR-M shares in common. the -M is better executed but gives up ground to the HAC7 in terms of simplicity.

thak you so much for sharing this gem with us. It has truely been a pleasure.:)

ESK
04-22-13, 22:50
Yes, it uses a barrel extension (i.e. Stoner/Johnson). But, instead of loading the barrel from the front of the upper receiver, the barrel loads from the rear. Yes, very odd and unique. Another unique feature is how the barrel assembly and piston guide tube index to each other, with a square woodruff key. Yes, the upper can easily be made with an extruded piece of aluminum. The lower can be made from forging or billet. Notice the riveted panel on the side of left side of the upper? That's the access cover for the Cam Pin Rotation Cut. Unfortunately, those cover do come loose and need to be re-riveted. That's another design that can easily be fixed.

Eric


Outstanding photos. Thank you for taking the time to post these. Does the bolt lock into a steel trunion within the aluminum receiver or into a barrel extension similar to the AR15/M16.

Looks like an interesting design. I agree that the cartridge bearing plate is a clever design.

It would be very interesting to see a modernized version of the HAC-7 released.

ESK
04-22-13, 22:54
Looks like a barrel extension in figure 6.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4579034.pdf


Here's a line drawing of the barrel assembly

http://www.biggerhammer.net/hac7/hac7_manual/gr000057.jpg

JoshNC
04-22-13, 22:57
Great info. Thank you again for posting this. Would you mind taking a few photos of the inside of the receiver? Any idea why the cover over the cam pin cutout is removable? Is it supposed to be a replaceable part in the event the cam pin wears it over time?

Eddiesketti
04-23-13, 07:01
Thanks for sharing. It is always interesting to see designs of weapons that might have been forgotten.

ESK
04-23-13, 07:45
Josh,

The cam pin cutout cover is not removable. It's actually riveted on. As mentioned above, unfortunately the covers do work loose after time. I've seen a number of these cover reinstalled, sometimes poorly or better then the factory install. If the rifle was made today, with modern manufacturing technics, a cover would not be needed.

I'll try to get pictures of the receiver later today.

Eric


Great info. Thank you again for posting this. Would you mind taking a few photos of the inside of the receiver? Any idea why the cover over the cam pin cutout is removable? Is it supposed to be a replaceable part in the event the cam pin wears it over time?

Littlelebowski
04-23-13, 07:59
Thank you for sharing, I love stuff like this.

armakraut
04-23-13, 10:42
Thanks for the photos and writeup.

twistedcomrade
04-24-13, 19:46
Very cool ESK. Where were these rifles made and were they only offered in 308?

ESK
04-25-13, 09:33
The rifles were introduced to the market in 1984, but then the company went belly up in 1985. Holloway Arms was located in the Ft. Worth, Texas area.



Very cool ESK. Where were these rifles made and were they only offered in 308?

twistedcomrade
04-25-13, 19:48
The rifles were introduced to the market in 1984, but then the company went belly up in 1985. Holloway Arms was located in the Ft. Worth, Texas area.

Thanks. I think I remember seeing ads for these rifles in mags back in the eighties. Very cool blast from the past.

rdbse
04-27-13, 12:57
ESK, thanks for sharing.

I wish more members would do stuff like this with unique and rare weapons.

Barry in IN
04-27-13, 22:20
I put off looking until I had time to really look it over. Thanks, that was interesting. I like these guns that show bits and pieces from different designs put together in a little different way, with twists of their own. Neat stuff.

VLODPG
04-28-13, 06:48
Thanks for sharing!

eternal24k
04-28-13, 08:18
excellent thread, been holding off until I had some time to actually read it. This has been very informative, these have always been interesting, never got to actually see the guts and get this much info on them.

ChocLab
07-07-13, 21:50
For those that are interested, here is a video of the HAC-7 of both disassembly and shooting with some slo-mo of the bolt in action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0ih6NEE6Rs

ChocLab
07-07-13, 21:52
Great info. Thank you again for posting this. Would you mind taking a few photos of the inside of the receiver? Any idea why the cover over the cam pin cutout is removable? Is it supposed to be a replaceable part in the event the cam pin wears it over time?

He explains this in the video as a manufacturing item and that was not supposed to be removed but the rivets would wear out.

T2J
07-07-13, 22:41
Where would you get magazines for it? Or are you modifying your own?

JoshNC
07-07-13, 22:46
For those that are interested, here is a video of the HAC-7 of both disassembly and shooting with some slo-mo of the bolt in action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0ih6NEE6Rs

Cool video. He mentions the malfunctions in the video; I wonder if his magwell/mag support hand grip was a contributing factor.

ESK
07-08-13, 10:40
Josh,

Some of the mentioned malfunctions were light-strikes. In the video they show them using the Firing Pin Return Spring. I never use the spring on my rifle and never had a problem with light-strikes. Plus, the action is smooth and slow, so I don't think they would encounter slam-fires with the existing design.

Eric

FTG-05
07-08-13, 11:36
Great pics, thanks for posting them!

I remember the HAC ads from the mid-80's. What happened to the rifles that the TX NG got? Back on the market/destroyed, what?

And what happened to Bob Holloway, did he just give on further firearm design and manufacture? He must have been an interesting person.

Thanks again.

ESK
07-08-13, 11:51
Robert Holloway is living quite comfortably in the Pacific Northwest. He’s working for a major oil company and travels the world. On the side, he still dabbles in gun design. I think someday we'll see Bob's name pop-up in the gun industry again.


Great pics, thanks for posting them!

I remember the HAC ads from the mid-80's. What happened to the rifles that the TX NG got? Back on the market/destroyed, what?

And what happened to Bob Holloway, did he just give on further firearm design and manufacture? He must have been an interesting person.

Thanks again.

JoshNC
07-09-13, 00:27
Josh,

Some of the mentioned malfunctions were light-strikes. In the video they show them using the Firing Pin Return Spring. I never use the spring on my rifle and never had a problem with light-strikes. Plus, the action is smooth and slow, so I don't think they would encounter slam-fires with the existing design.

Eric

Very interesting. Thanks for the follow up info. This is really an interesting platform with some very unique design attributes. Would be cool if the HAC-7 was resurrected one day.

ESK
07-09-13, 11:42
It may be someday.


Very interesting. Thanks for the follow up info. This is really an interesting platform with some very unique design attributes. Would be cool if the HAC-7 was resurrected one day.

FTG-05
07-09-13, 19:03
Robert Holloway is living quite comfortably in the Pacific Northwest. He’s working for a major oil company and travels the world. On the side, he still dabbles in gun design. I think someday we'll see Bob's name pop-up in the gun industry again.

Ok, good to know, thanks for the update!

NongShim
07-15-13, 21:07
Awesome you got one at all, but especially in such condition. I remember pouring over gun mags in the 80s and seeing them advertised. Of course I wanted pretty much everything, but the HAC-7 was always the gun that captured my imagination the most. I've always wanted one of those. It was a real treat getting to look at more than just a tiny black and white snap shot from the side. Very interesting guts in that gun.

ESK
10-02-14, 17:13
For those of you that are interested, there's a new website and registry for the Holloway Arms HAC7. Seeing that only 350+ weapons were made, it's probably not going to have a big following, but it is interesting to see what was made and in which configuration. Like I tell people all the time, the HAC7 was a engineering marvel, but unfortunately being made is small numbers, it was a Mass Produced Prototype... Shame it didn't take off.

Registry:
http://hollowayarms.com/

Other information:
http://id.gun.fm/firearms.php?id=330

Enjoy,

Eric