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claymore_dude
04-29-13, 16:08
If any of you guys have handled this rail, which length do you prefer and how does it handle/feel in accordance to how you run it? I've been wanting one for awhile, but will most likely to the production ramps up again so that the prices will finally drop out of the business market.
i have a 13.5 on a rifle i built for my gf. she runs it slick w/ no attachments at the moment. it is lightweight, smooth and comfortable to hold both for her small hands as well as my larger hands.
no complaints here. 13.5 is plenty of real estate for w/e u might want though.
claymore_dude
04-29-13, 16:24
i have a 13.5 on a rifle i built for my gf. she runs it slick w/ no attachments at the moment. it is lightweight, smooth and comfortable to hold both for her small hands as well as my larger hands.
no complaints here. 13.5 is plenty of real estate for w/e u might want though.
Thanks for the reply. I was also thinking about building one for my gf after I build one for myself that is. Also implying if I will ever be able to get my hands on one lol. I see a lot of pictures with the 13.5 and it looks good, but I guess I'm leaning towards the 11", but I'll know when I get my hands on one. Too bad Noveske won't be at the NRA show here in Houston this weekend.
I have an 11in nsr on my 11.5 sbr. I ran through a Costa class with it and it was awesome. No issues wirh the rails coming loose or rattling. Only stuff on the rail so far is a vfg and a front sight. The rail is incredibly light. And the keymod is a great system. It's not uncomfortable to grip or anything like that. Over all it is the best rail system that I have used. It tool me 4 months to get an 11in and it was worth every bit of the wait.
Keep your eyes open on the EE. A 13.5 just sold on here very recently.
Get email notifications for companies such as DSG and ROG Tactical. You'll have one before you know it.
-Jax
bleaman225
04-29-13, 19:52
I have an 11" NSR on my 12.5" Noveske SBR and a 13.5" NSR on my 16" Noveske upper. I can't say enough good things about the NSR but I am personally biased towards Noveske.
Also keep an eye on Rainier Arms as they also seem to have them pretty often..
Keep your eyes open on the EE. A 13.5 just sold on here very recently.
Get email notifications for companies such as DSG and ROG Tactical. You'll have one before you know it.
-Jax
Sorry for the nub question. What is "EE"?
bleaman225
04-29-13, 20:15
Sorry for the nub question. What is "EE"?
Equipment Exchange
It's a market place for users of the site to buy and sell from one another.
https://www.m4carbine.net/forumdisplay.php?f=108
Sorry for the nub question. What is "EE"?
Ha Ha. Hey no problem. Its our Equipment Exchange sub-forum on here.
A link:
https://www.m4carbine.net/forumdisplay.php?f=108
Be forewarned. Money will disappear. ;) I buy more things off the EE than any dealer.
-Jax
i've learned to stay out of the "for sale" sections of forums for just that reason.
I have a 13.5 on my 16" 300BLK and it's perfect. The trend these days is the longer the better. I think a barrel length handguard just looks mean!
claymore_dude
04-29-13, 22:05
Yeah, a guy had one on there for just a little over msrp but I consider myself a cheapo (sorry if I offend any of you with my low offers some time in the near future). Anyways, thanks for all the replies. Now I'm torn between the 11" and the 13". Might as well build two haha! I guess the reason as to why I like it so much is weirdly enough, the ergonomics of the rail remind of that of the banana or so called "god's" fruit. When you hold a banana, you really just have to appreciate how contoured it is to your hands, and how it's hexagonal shape just align with every notch and groove of your palm and hand. If Noveske ever created a fruit, it'd have to a banana, because no one likes a lemon (pun intended)! :lol:
claymore_dude
04-29-13, 22:07
i've learned to stay out of the "for sale" sections of forums for just that reason.
That's how I feel about those garage sales I pass by on the weekends. :D
Rockhopper
04-29-13, 23:53
i have the 13.5". friggin awesome rail. love it in every way.
i vote get the longest version that your barrel and setup will allow you.
i have the 13.5". friggin awesome rail. love it in every way.
i vote get the longest version that your barrel and setup will allow you.
My sentiments exactly.
claymore_dude
04-30-13, 00:24
i have the 13.5". friggin awesome rail. love it in every way.
i vote get the longest version that your barrel and setup will allow you.
Will it allow for better stability?
13.5 on 16 inch middy. It's perfect. Best rail ever.
I will say however mine barrel nut is rotating some so i will have to have that looked at - I assume its an isolated issue since I never had rotation troubles on my old noveske rail with same type of system I've 4 years.
claymore_dude
04-30-13, 00:39
13.5 on 16 inch middy. It's perfect. Best rail ever.
I will say however mine barrel nut is rotating some so i will have to have that looked at - I assume its an isolated issue since I never had rotation troubles on my old noveske rail with same type of system I've 4 years.
Did you make sure it was torqued at the right #?
That needs to be confirmed again, I know my bbl nut woul not time correctly on either side so we modified it on a lathe to fit. I've asked Todd @ noveske if it was possible to get a new bbl nut last week but I haven't heard back just yet as I assume they are swamped.
claymore_dude
04-30-13, 01:00
That needs to be confirmed again, I know my bbl nut woul not time correctly on either side so we modified it on a lathe to fit. I've asked Todd @ noveske if it was possible to get a new bbl nut last week but I haven't heard back just yet as I assume they are swamped.
Well seeing as I have yet to handle one, I wouldn't be too much help, but I did hear that production was starting to pick back up again. I believe it was on FB that Sheri said that about a day ago. Hopefully he gets back in touch with you
That needs to be confirmed again, I know my bbl nut woul not time correctly on either side so we modified it on a lathe to fit. I've asked Todd @ noveske if it was possible to get a new bbl nut last week but I haven't heard back just yet as I assume they are swamped.
Per Todd's signature here on M4C, he is no longer with Noveske.
Get the 13.5 NSR (http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=3112). Best just to get on the list and buy it as soon as it comes available. As light as it is having some extra length is nice. It feels like I drag the muzzle right to the target instead of having to swing it.
I put an NSR 9 on my 11.5 SBR. I like it a lot. The difference in weight and diameter compared to the DD Lite 9.0 I had on it before is very, very noticeable in the rifle's handling.
I did find that in relatively sustained firing, the rail gets pretty hot - uncomfortable to hold with a bare hand. Gloves were better, but the Noveske rail panels worked best. Last time I had it out, I measured the temp of the area of support hand grip at 145 degrees. I don't know what the plans are, if any, for a heat shield, but I think some kind of insulating panels, probably with gloves, would be a reasonable expectation in situations like a high round count training course.
The NSR 13.5 has become the standard on 14.5 guns around hear.http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy358/SuperiorFirearms/NOVESKE/IMG_1279_zps0257119d.jpg (http://s807.photobucket.com/user/SuperiorFirearms/media/NOVESKE/IMG_1279_zps0257119d.jpg.html)
http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy358/SuperiorFirearms/NOVESKE/IMG_1278_zpsdbc772f1.jpg (http://s807.photobucket.com/user/SuperiorFirearms/media/NOVESKE/IMG_1278_zpsdbc772f1.jpg.html)
http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy358/SuperiorFirearms/NOVESKE/IMG_1288_zpsf4acb7f9.jpg (http://s807.photobucket.com/user/SuperiorFirearms/media/NOVESKE/IMG_1288_zpsf4acb7f9.jpg.html)
For those who have used these extensively, I have a few main questions that I need answers to before I feel ok with going the NSR route...
How hot do the rails get with a heavier firing schedule?
How effective are the rail panels in dissipating the heat?
Are the rail panels secure (I've heard of them popping off)?
Any durability concerns with the rail being so light?
ETA: Just saw Hmac's post. Answered the first couple pretty well but would still like to hear others' reports
Just had a thought...I wonder if cutting heavy duty foil to fit inside the rail panels (before installation) could act as a sort of heat shield to reflect heat away from the rails/hands? Though I don't know how much a pain in the neck it would be to cut foil to fit, and stay put when installing the rails...
Any physicists want to shoot holes in my theory? :p
Just had a thought...I wonder if cutting heavy duty foil to fit inside the rail panels (before installation) could act as a sort of heat shield to reflect heat away from the rails/hands? Though I don't know how much a pain in the neck it would be to cut foil to fit, and stay put when installing the rails...
Any physicists want to shoot holes in my theory? :p
That's a good idea, but I would use some foil tape. As soon I find some tape and rail panels, I might just try that.
That's a good idea, but I would use some foil tape. As soon I find some tape and rail panels, I might just try that.
I knew someone would have a better idea ;)
If any of you guys have handled this rail, which length do you prefer and how does it handle/feel in accordance to how you run it?
If you like a SLIM, LIGHT handguard, you'll love it. I hate a skinny handguard so I didn't like the NSR at all.
Magic_Salad0892
04-30-13, 11:04
If you like a SLIM, LIGHT handguard, you'll love it. I hate a skinny handguard so I didn't like the NSR at all.
Any specific reason why?
claymore_dude
04-30-13, 11:09
I knew someone would have a better idea ;)
I have some foil tape I could use. I think it was used for some attic work.
claymore_dude
04-30-13, 11:10
If you like a SLIM, LIGHT handguard, you'll love it. I hate a skinny handguard so I didn't like the NSR at all.
Thanks for the input! Hopefully I love it as much as I think i will!
I have some foil tape I could use. I think it was used for some attic work.
If you try it out, let us know if it makes much of a difference...
claymore_dude
04-30-13, 11:13
If you try it out, let us know if it makes much of a difference...
As soon as I get one, I will!
Any specific reason why?
Just hate the feel. I thought it looked like a good idea a few years back when it was just starting to become poplular, but then I tried a gun with that Troy version and hated it.
I also hate a rail that's TOO FAT, like my Old MI ff rail. Drove me nuts too.
I like Knights, DD RIS2, LaRetard, and Geissele in the over-bred category.
fallenromeo
04-30-13, 11:22
I had a 13.5" on my Recce upper and it was nice. Felt good in my hand, very solid on my upper. I just replaced it with a 15" yesterday though, so now my 13.5" is sitting in a box in the garage waiting on the market to soften up.
Magic_Salad0892
04-30-13, 11:33
Just hate the feel. I thought it looked like a good idea a few years back when it was just starting to become poplular, but then I tried a gun with that Troy version and hated it.
I also hate a rail that's TOO FAT, like my Old MI ff rail. Drove me nuts too.
I like Knights, DD RIS2, LaRetard, and Geissele in the over-bred category.
Makes sense. I like skinny rails, but a lot of 'em suck at heat dissipation.
For those who have used these extensively, I have a few main questions that I need answers to before I feel ok with going the NSR route...
How hot do the rails get with a heavier firing schedule?
How effective are the rail panels in dissipating the heat?
Are the rail panels secure (I've heard of them popping off)?
Any durability concerns with the rail being so light?
ETA: Just saw Hmac's post. Answered the first couple pretty well but would still like to hear others' reports
In moderately heavy use (so far...only about 1000 rounds), I have found the rail panels to be completely secure. No slipping, no loosening, easy to install. I've not seen anything that makes me concerned about durability. I see some people worry about rotation, but I used he NSR to replace a DD Lite 9.0 which I've had for years, which is also only a friction-based system. It never loosened or rotated and I don't expect the NSR will either. It's rigid and well-make. I attach a sling to it and have seen no problems.
I've got a 13.5" NSR on my Noveske 14.5" Middy. It's pretty sweet. I shoot without gloves and the NSR panels do a good job of mitigating any heat.
claymore_dude
04-30-13, 22:32
In moderately heavy use (so far...only about 1000 rounds), I have found the rail panels to be completely secure. No slipping, no loosening, easy to install. I've not seen anything that makes me concerned about durability. I see some people worry about rotation, but I used he NSR to replace a DD Lite 9.0 which I've had for years, which is also only a friction-based system. It never loosened or rotated and I don't expect the NSR will either. It's rigid and well-make. I attach a sling to it and have seen no problems.
Great report! I definitely want to put those keymod rails on when I get them, but I see people selling a pair for $30! I'm just glad things are dying down, if even for a little bit.
claymore_dude
04-30-13, 22:34
Btw, does anyone on here have a 13.5 on a 16" barrel? I kind of want to see what that setup would look like to give me a better wrap around of the gun altogether.
claymore_dude
04-30-13, 22:35
The NSR 13.5 has become the standard on 14.5 guns around hear.
Very nice looking gun and paint job!
I've asked Todd @ noveske if it was possible to get a new bbl nut last week but I haven't heard back just yet as I assume they are swamped.
I'm under the impression that Todd is no longer @noveske.
In moderately heavy use (so far...only about 1000 rounds), I have found the rail panels to be completely secure. No slipping, no loosening, easy to install. I've not seen anything that makes me concerned about durability. I see some people worry about rotation, but I used he NSR to replace a DD Lite 9.0 which I've had for years, which is also only a friction-based system. It never loosened or rotated and I don't expect the NSR will either. It's rigid and well-make. I attach a sling to it and have seen no problems.
Thanks for this Hmac. I think I'm slowly coming around to the idea that these newer tube rails have finally gotten it figured out :D
wilson1911
05-01-13, 12:35
I have put NSR rails on two of my guns that I will be taking to Costa's class in two days:dance3:. I just put a 15 incher on my Kac, and have the 13.5 on the Noveske. I will be running the plastic guards, with the Kac thumbstop on top. Both guns being identical as can be. I will give a run down of how the class went, and my impressions of the rail, which I love so far.http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc171/jeep4tw/image-3.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/jeep4tw/media/image-3.jpg.html)
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc171/jeep4tw/image-4.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/jeep4tw/media/image-4.jpg.html)
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc171/jeep4tw/image-5.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/jeep4tw/media/image-5.jpg.html)
I have put NSR rails on two of my guns that I will be taking to Costa's class in two days:dance3:. I just put a 15 incher on my Kac, and have the 13.5 on the Noveske. I will be running the plastic guards, with the Kac thumbstop on top. Both guns being identical as can be. I will give a run down of how the class went, and my impressions of the rail, which I love so far.http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc171/jeep4tw/image-3.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/jeep4tw/media/image-3.jpg.html)
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc171/jeep4tw/image-4.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/jeep4tw/media/image-4.jpg.html)
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc171/jeep4tw/image-5.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/jeep4tw/media/image-5.jpg.html)
Bring gloves.
wilson1911
05-01-13, 13:24
No worries got them:D
Going to be my first class, but I have done my research.
I hope the NSR does well. Everything is locktited also.
Lots of great info on the site. Hopefully I will be able to take some pics while she is HOT. I am curious to see how the plastic panels will hold up.
claymore_dude
05-01-13, 13:26
I have put NSR rails on two of my guns that I will be taking to Costa's class in two days:dance3:. I just put a 15 incher on my Kac, and have the 13.5 on the Noveske. I will be running the plastic guards, with the Kac thumbstop on top. Both guns being identical as can be. I will give a run down of how the class went, and my impressions of the rail, which I love so far.http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc171/jeep4tw/image-3.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/jeep4tw/media/image-3.jpg.html)
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc171/jeep4tw/image-4.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/jeep4tw/media/image-4.jpg.html)
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc171/jeep4tw/image-5.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/jeep4tw/media/image-5.jpg.html)
What kind of grip is on the first gun? They both look slick!
wilson1911
05-01-13, 13:39
What kind of grip is on the first gun? They both look slick!
Actually it's a BCM that was FDE. I had some paint left over from painting my MP15-22 and could not decide what color to go with. One side is foliage, the other is close to OD green. figured when I liked a color, I would match the other side.
claymore_dude
05-01-13, 15:06
Actually it's a BCM that was FDE. I had some paint left over from painting my MP15-22 and could not decide what color to go with. One side is foliage, the other is close to OD green. figured when I liked a color, I would match the other side.
I hope you can come to a consensus with yourself :)
Btw, does anyone on here have a 13.5 on a 16" barrel? I kind of want to see what that setup would look like to give me a better wrap around of the gun altogether.
Upper I built w/ a 13.5" NSR on 16" DD S2W 300BLK w/ a Brakeout on my M&P lower from my other rifle. Hoping to find a Noveske FFL... might find Bigfoot or a Unicorn instead.
http://i39.tinypic.com/34yz7rs.jpg
Rockhopper
05-01-13, 21:45
Upper I built w/ a 13.5" NSR on 16" DD S2W 300BLK w/ a Brakeout.
http://i39.tinypic.com/34yz7rs.jpghey we kinda match!
13.5" on a 16" DD S2W 5.56 w/a2
http://imageshack.us/a/img27/4635/33490211.jpg
claymore_dude
05-01-13, 21:48
Upper I built w/ a 13.5" NSR on 16" DD S2W 300BLK w/ a Brakeout.
Now that's a gun I can get behind! I'm going to have a garage sale to raise funds for this rail. If anyone's looking for used toilets and old VHS tapes, come on by!
claymore_dude
05-01-13, 21:49
hey we kinda match!
13.5" on a 16" DD S2W 5.56 w/a2
http://imageshack.us/a/img27/4635/33490211.jpg
Great looking rifle! The carpet adds to the "shag" factor. I guess I'm hopping on the 13.5" bandwagon as soon as I can pick one up!
Midway also is another place to sign up for an in-stock notification. The NSR-11 was in stock (briefly) just the other day.
claymore_dude
05-02-13, 00:35
Midway also is another place to sign up for an in-stock notification. The NSR-11 was in stock (briefly) just the other day.
Thanks for the heads-up! Although I'm never fast enough to see the emails in time, I went ahead and added myself onto the notification list :D
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