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ForTehNguyen
04-30-13, 18:12
The Magpul PMAG 30 AK MOE is a 30 round, durable, lightweight, high reliability polymer magazine for 7.62x39 Kalashnikov pattern firearms.
http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG572/PMAG
This will be the first installment of the Magpul AK magazine line. The AK MOE will be an all-polymer design, utilizing the same advanced materials and manufacturing processes as the rest of the PMAG line to achieve surprising durability. It features a removable floorplate, constant curve geometry, and high-reliability/low-friction follower for the performance you expect from a PMAG.
Due to the interface of rifle and magazine in the Kalashnikov platforms, and the leverage that critical points must withstand, we knew we couldn’t leave well-enough alone with the AK MOE before we even started designing. Also currently in development, and arriving on the heels of the AK MOE, is the next release in the PMAG AK lineup, which will be a 7.62x39 magazine with a little more “Bulgarian” in it, featuring solid steel reinforcements at lockup points.
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/466801_592976817381338_1935722267_o.jpg
mkmckinley
04-30-13, 18:17
No kidding, a Magpul AK mag? About GD time. I hope these things are great so I can stop paying $40 for the Bulgarian ones. Thanks for the link.
Awesome! I have waited a long time for this. Hopefully all of the kinks have been worked out. Too bad they're about to be banned in the great state of Colorado :suicide2:
Also, you beat me to this. I just saw it on their facebook page
ForTehNguyen
04-30-13, 18:35
closest thing I have to a mag of this type is the Polish Radom ones, need to test them out at the range
crowkiller
04-30-13, 18:37
Great news I hope this works out also maybe this will force KVAR to bring down the waffle mag prices.
NeoNeanderthal
04-30-13, 18:42
:eek:
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice! :D I dig it the most! I cant wait to see how it matches up against the Circle10 mags. Water, sand and in the freezer ;)
Great news I hope this works out also maybe this will force KVAR to bring down the waffle mag prices.
The initial strength testing on the unreinforced MOE mag are promising, but we are still working on the full, solid steel tab and trunnion engagement reinforced version.
It will be like this MOE AK mag, but with more vodka. :smile:
Bout ****ing time boys. I can't wait to run a class with these in it. My students have been waiting as well.
Moose-Knuckle
04-30-13, 19:42
The initial strength testing on the unreinforced MOE mag are promising, but we are still working on the full, solid steel tab and trunnion engagement reinforced version.
It will be like this MOE AK mag, but with more vodka. :smile:
Out-foooking-standing! Steel in these areas and your G2G.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/AKS-74/circle10mag_zps5f3e4386.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/AKS-74/media/circle10mag_zps5f3e4386.jpg.html)
I am very much looking forward to MP grips and mags for my Kalashnikovs.
The initial strength testing on the unreinforced MOE mag are promising, but we are still working on the full, solid steel tab and trunnion engagement reinforced version.
It will be like this MOE AK mag, but with more vodka. :smile:
Any 10 round mags coming down the pike for us ban states?
Condition Write
04-30-13, 20:11
Any plans for 5.45 Mag?
This. Gotta have something to help me burn off all this Ukrainian surplus.
(Not to say that I'm unhappy to see the 7.62x39 mag, by any means, and I'll probably wind up picking up a couple dozen of 'em. But since Duane's monitoring the thread, I just figured I'd throw in one more nudge toward the other Commie caliber.)
Heavy Metal
04-30-13, 20:13
America, **** yeah!!!!!:cool:
Heavy Metal
04-30-13, 20:21
You hear that sound? It's K-Var shitting their paints!
MountainRaven
04-30-13, 20:27
Any plans for 5.45 Mag?
And 5.56 mags for us silly 5.56mm AK users.
Condition Write
04-30-13, 20:29
You hear that sound? It's K-Var shitting their paints!
To say nothing of US Palm.
And 5.56 mags for us silly 5.56mm AK users.
Now that's just crazy talk...
Any plans for 5.45 Mag?
While I am not Magpul, they do say "This will be the first installment of the Magpul AK magazine line."
Based on that I think the chances are pretty good you might get your wish, eventually.
(Again, I have no inside info -- just parsing their announcement)
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I was about to say, no reinforcement?
I'd look forward to the reinforced ones.
In no particular order:
We will fill out the standard capacity line before reduced capacity.
Other calibers? This is the first installment in the line...we'll see where it takes us.
We made the MOE version first to learn some things, knowing full well that we would also be making a reinforced version. We'll see what kind of abuse we can heap on the unreinforced version, but our material is showing great promise in initial testing. Either way, the reinforced version is underway.
This isn't vapor ware...we started shooting it this week for initial testing.
infidelprodigy
04-30-13, 21:11
I seem to recall threads on here bashing US PALM for not having enough steel reinforcing in a magazine, yet everyone is giddy about an AK mag with NO steel reinforcing anywhere?:confused:
Every magazine I have seen for an AK that didn't have steel in the lockup areas sucked epically. Then again I have yet to see or interact first hand with this product.......
Although the fact they are developing a steel reinforced version at the same time might be telling.....
And what is the price on these things?
The aim is to provide a quality US made AK magazine at an AR magazine price point, with durability and performance that is better than previously experienced with unreinforced magazines.
AND, to provide a US made magazine that performs as well or better than the circle 10, with solid steel reinforcement where needed to do so, at a price significantly below comparable offerings.
So, two products from the get go. We learned from benchmarking that it would be extremely difficult to meet circle 10 performance without a solid steel tab and a thick steel reinforcement in the front trunnion engagement surface. Anything less performed poorly.
But...we also wanted to see where we could go with our material and an unreinforced mag.
Barry in IN
04-30-13, 22:01
I don't need any AK mags, but I sure as hell applaud it on the basis of what it must do to the hoplophobes. Home run there, with hot fudge and sprinkles on top. Or something.
Quality and affordable AK mags, what will come next? Not sure if I can take any more Magpul product announcements this week...pace yourself guys.
Well...if you haven't seen the new light mount, it's worth a look. That's it for this week's NRA show announcements. Maybe.
DIRTMAN556
04-30-13, 22:41
Just in time!
This news just made my day. Can't wait to see how this pans out.
It has been a good month for Magpul, first all the product placement in the movie Oblivion, now a handful of new product announcements. Keep it up!
Well, I'd like to check out the metal reinforced line.
I'd hope for full-metal locking lugs and metal-lined feed lips. Everything else polymer without the above have been found severely lacking.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fjallhrafn *
And 5.56 mags for us silly 5.56mm AK users.
Now that's just crazy talk...
me crazy, too, but i can shoot my AK at the indoor range...:cool:
MountainRaven
04-30-13, 23:46
Now that's just crazy talk...
Then let's talk crazy.
(Also, I can kill you with my mind.)
;)
This almost makes me want a 7.62 AK.
Very welcome indeed.
Keep up the great work.
I hope there's a business case for making the 5.45/AK-74 version. I think I'd be first in line for those.
The steel reinforced mags would obviously be preferred by most folks, but I think the range plinkers would be happy with the unreinforced variety (especially if they're a few bucks cheaper).
I'm sure that at some point, some diehard AK-74 enthusiast will insist on an orange polymer version :D
Dang it! I sold my AK...oh well, more for you guys!
Nice. Now how about some Sig 550/551/552/553 mags, please.
Doc. Holiday
05-01-13, 10:19
SWEET!!!!! It's about time!!! I hope the 5.45 is in Magpul's future as well!!
As an AK lover, this is the best news I've heard in a while. This will push me to get on the wait list for another Krebs Custom 7.62x39! One of the new VEPR based ones.:D
I hope there's a business case for making the 5.45/AK-74 version. I think I'd be first in line for those.
The steel reinforced mags would obviously be preferred by most folks, but I think the range plinkers would be happy with the unreinforced variety (especially if they're a few bucks cheaper).
I'm sure that at some point, some diehard AK-74 enthusiast will insist on an orange polymer version :D
I'm looking for Magpul quad-stack plum 74 mags :)
WickedWillis
05-01-13, 11:25
This is exciting. I am wondering if magpul plans to do any furniture (aside from the obvious grip incoming) in the future for the AK. Like a modular MOE forend?
Condition Write
05-01-13, 17:36
me crazy, too, but i can shoot my AK at the indoor range...:cool:
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Well played, sir. Well played indeed.
Until...
Then let's talk crazy.
(Also, I can kill you with my mind.)
;)
... until Fjallhrafn won the internet.
I hope there's a business case for making the 5.45/AK-74 version. I think I'd be first in line for those.
The steel reinforced mags would obviously be preferred by most folks, but I think the range plinkers would be happy with the unreinforced variety (especially if they're a few bucks cheaper).
I suspect several of us would be racing you for "first," based on preliminary feedback in this thread. And, yeah, the steel-reinforced mags would obviously be preferable, but I look at the unreinforced model as (1) proof of concept and (2) cheaper training mags that'll presumably be available earlier.
(Now, while we're talking 5.45, some 5.45 Pmags for those of us who run unholy ARs...)
So what can this do that a Tapco mag can't? (I'm speaking about the one without steel)
Make me spend money??
Magpul polymer is superior to that used by Tapco. P-Mags don't break or crack when you drop them hard on concrete.
I’m sure the un-reinforced version will be good as a range mag and better than Tapco at that (better quality control and better polymer). But, I’m going to be holding out for the reinforced version that can take some serious abuse and heat.
Make me spend money??
Magpul polymer is superior to that used by Tapco. P-Mags don't break or crack when you drop them hard on concrete.
False. I've seen Pmags break/crack from being dropped on hard concrete.
And furthermore, Tapco polymer seems to have fared a little better than Magpul polymer in this test ( http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_17/581741_The_Unscientific_Plastic_Magazine_Test___Videos_pg15___Part_2_pg16___mobile_users_56k_do_not_click_.html) (TOS, I know, whatever)
I don't have anything against Magpul, but they don't make magic polymer. My question stands.
Fair enough - let's amend my statement to say:
I've never broken a Pmag and I have a Tapco.
Same situation, different outcome.
Magic_Salad0892
05-01-13, 19:56
Huh. Looks like I should consider an AK sometime soon.
Condition Write
05-01-13, 20:15
Huh. Looks like I should consider an AK sometime soon.
In Soviet Russia, AK considers you.
Magic_Salad0892
05-01-13, 22:35
In Soviet Russia, AK considers you.
Are we making fun of other countries already?
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g424/Magic_Salad0892/312365_542558269110756_1842845214_n1_zps0bb8e5b4.png (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/Magic_Salad0892/media/312365_542558269110756_1842845214_n1_zps0bb8e5b4.png.html)
False. I've seen Pmags break/crack from being dropped on hard concrete.
And furthermore, Tapco polymer seems to have fared a little better than Magpul polymer in this test ( http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_17/581741_The_Unscientific_Plastic_Magazine_Test___Videos_pg15___Part_2_pg16___mobile_users_56k_do_not_click_.html) (TOS, I know, whatever)
I don't have anything against Magpul, but they don't make magic polymer. My question stands.
The PMag in that particular post is the MRev /M2 PMag which is a 4 year old design. We will be using the polymer and processing technology developed for the PMag M3 to see if we can eek out any more strength from an all polymer AK mag.
Here are the videos of the M3 tests...
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLLtq9scclwKVYVSGUsrOsprdHo_TKJt7
I'll give you a little newsflash. Last year when I was in Afghanistan (my 3rd trip) we had purchased some Tapco AK magazines prior to my arrival. We ended up shit canning most of them because they were cracking and breaking when they were being used by our personnel in the cold weather.
No one said that PMAG's are "magical" but they work and do it well. They are much easier to maintain than aluminum. The main issue is that people fall in love with magazines and can't seem to come to grips with the fact that they are disposable.
False. I've seen Pmags break/crack from being dropped on hard concrete.
And furthermore, Tapco polymer seems to have fared a little better than Magpul polymer in this test ( http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_17/581741_The_Unscientific_Plastic_Magazine_Test___Videos_pg15___Part_2_pg16___mobile_users_56k_do_not_click_.html) (TOS, I know, whatever)
I don't have anything against Magpul, but they don't make magic polymer. My question stands.
So Magpul, are you guys a publicly traded company? I REALLY want to buy stock :D
TacticalSledgehammer
05-02-13, 13:52
Awesome news! I look forward to the day when these mags and your grips hit the market.
Awesome news! I look forward to the day when these mags and your grips hit the market.
I don't. (but only because I'll go broke again. :D )
Ready.Fire.Aim
05-02-13, 23:58
I'm ready to buy and try a dozen. Also willing to buy a couple dozen 5.45 for the AK74 collection.
Mauser KAR98K
05-03-13, 10:00
Well...about time. :D:D
+10 on an 5.45mm mag for the AK-74/100 series. Just bought on and having to go the tapco/promag route as the circle 10s and 21s are damn expensive. If Magpul can keep them down to $20-25, they will sell greatly.
My question is: Do they fit in the Sig 556r's? I know US Palm mags do not.
Nope.
Well than, looks like I'll have to infuse your Guy's stock value with copious quantities of purchases.
brushy bill
05-03-13, 21:57
I've been consolidating for logistical reasons, but the reinforced version may make me pick up an AK
I'm hoping for 20 rders and a MOE forend!
NeoNeanderthal
05-13-13, 10:05
Moe forend for an AK is a great idea. Especially if they make them extended sorta like the saiga handguards so you can get your hand out there.
Definitely must be extended like the Saiga and must be open at the gasblock so you can run them with FSGB. I'm built like an Orangutang, so long forend would be great!
Draufganger
05-13-13, 10:59
Not quite it, but ive seen on my local European forum at least 2 guys making a free floated and extended AK forearm out of ACR handguard. Maybe something worth looking into?
Cheers.
jamesavery22
05-13-13, 12:33
Not quite it, but ive seen on my local European forum at least 2 guys making a free floated and extended AK forearm out of ACR handguard. Maybe something worth looking into?
Cheers.
link?
And bump for AK MOE mag updates... ?
Draufganger
05-13-13, 13:10
link?
None of the pictures are mine, and as far as i know, both of these (highly) self modified AK's are Norinco's. The forum i wrote about needs a registration and is on foreign language for 99.99% of you so just the pictures.
1. (Click on to get large view)
http://i2.aijaa.com/t/00576/12215059.t.jpg (http://aijaa.com/fUEejL)
http://i2.aijaa.com/t/00241/12215060.t.jpg (http://aijaa.com/tCArdw)
http://i8.aijaa.com/t/00108/12215061.t.jpg (http://aijaa.com/t8Naqb)
http://i3.aijaa.com/t/01000/12215062.t.jpg (http://aijaa.com/l44ZSK)
http://i5.aijaa.com/t/00277/12215063.t.jpg (http://aijaa.com/XGVP39)
2.
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q320/d-valo/2013-05-09160842_zps19f23e8a.jpg (http://s139.photobucket.com/user/d-valo/media/2013-05-09160842_zps19f23e8a.jpg.html)
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q320/d-valo/2013-05-09160916_zps7a3776e9.jpg (http://s139.photobucket.com/user/d-valo/media/2013-05-09160916_zps7a3776e9.jpg.html)
Cheers.
jamesavery22
05-13-13, 13:25
Thanks for the pics. Not my thing. Didn't realize the ACR handguard was so large.
Back to MOE AK Mags... Any news from anyone?
It's going to be a little while. Looks like late summer unless things go perfectly, and they very rarely do.
We're testing some tweaks and fine-tuning. Working on the reinforced variant. The AKs wide tolerance range and differences among variations means a LOT of testing and tweaking for function and fit.
It's going to be a little while. Looks like late summer unless things go perfectly, and they very rarely do.
We're testing some tweaks and fine-tuning. Working on the reinforced variant. The AKs wide tolerance range and differences among variations means a LOT of testing and tweaking for function and fit.
That's the thing we all love about Magpul, it's not released till it's right. Have you guys ever even had a recall?
There have been some batches where we learn something additional that we can control for in a process here or there, and we are always continually trying to improve existing products as well as new, but the percentages on warranty claims, defects, and returns are insanely small.
To my knowledge, we have never let anything out into the wild (to date!) that has had a full-scale recall-worthy issue, and we try very, very hard to make sure we don't. Nobody's perfect, but our test lab is pretty insane in an attempt to get as close as we can.
dwhitehorne
05-13-13, 16:02
As an owner of a AMD 65 that needs US mags for compliance. TAPCOs don't function well for me and US Palms are really tight. I will welcome a new US mag. I'm tired of searching for US followers and base plates for metal mags. David
NeoNeanderthal
05-13-13, 17:05
[URL=http://s139.photobucket.com/user/d-valo/media/2013-05-09160916_zps7a3776e9.jpg.html]
Something like that would be perfect. A one piece design that acts as a top and bottom.
jamesavery22
05-14-13, 12:35
Thanks for the updates Duane. Is the plan to release the reinforced and all polymer at the same time?
This is awesome! As a few others have said, I sure hope that they venture into the 5.56 AK market someday. My poor Circle-10's are getting pretty worn out. If they can produce a good 5.56 AK mag that's cheaper than the ridiculous prices that the Circle-10 mags bring they will fly off the shelves. Its a pretty small market though, so probably not worth the R&D cost for them.
Thanks for the updates Duane. Is the plan to release the reinforced and all polymer at the same time?
The all polymer will make it out first, purely based on complexity, or actually, a reduction thereof.
Any mags in the works for the AK74?
jamesavery22
05-14-13, 15:52
The all polymer will make it out first, purely based on complexity, or actually, a reduction thereof.
Thanks again Duane. Excited to see more updates and progress. It's very nice to see the AK market grow.
bondmid003
05-20-13, 13:23
I will be looking for a non reinforced version as well to test out before buying the reinforced version in mass.
I too was incredibly excited by this email from Magpul
I think this is a big step in the right direction for sure. What I would like to see is......Magpul 20 and 30 round SKS magazines.
The current selections for hi cap mags available are so very sad. Tapco's are the only ones that work reliable that I have found, but they don't store very well loaded.
polymorpheous
06-13-13, 01:08
How did I miss this!!??
I look forward to the metal lined version.
I'm in for a few!
Any chance we will see a metal lined AR version as well?
I have a Foliage windowed Pmag that fell off of a shelf in my safe and broke right at the feed lip.
It's nice to see someone else getting into the mag biz for AKs. I use Tapcos for range and play and have steel standing by for really important work. I'd definitely buy a few of the reinforced jobbies. I can't see spending $40 on a reinforced Circle 10 when steel was $12 - $20. With Magpul's rep the reinforced mags should sell like hot cakes if priced well.
One note though, I have used Tapcos for years, running knockout reloads or throwing them where-ever during 3-gun, and I have never broken one, nor have I ever seen one broken. And we've used them in 98 degree heat and close to 32 degrees in Winter. I changed the springs at year four or five after keeping some loaded to 20 rds for so long. But they've performed flawlessly. I guess I live in a special Anti-Internet Myth Bubble. :D
brickboy240
06-14-13, 15:10
I will probably buy a few...just to support Magpul.
Currently running a CTR butt stock on the Vltor tube and the MOE AK grip on my AK. Absolutely the best buttstock for the money.
We really need a MOE type AK fore end. One that would allow us to run a vertical grip.
Love the idea of PMags for the AK...but to be honest, the old steel Bulgarian mags and polymer Polish Radom ones run fine for me.
-brickboy240
They run fine for us, too, for the most part.
But...with the price of AK mags these days, and the existing offerings, it's time for us to address those few nagging issues with AK mags that we've always wanted to.
They run fine for us, too, for the most part.
But...with the price of AK mags these days, and the existing offerings, it's time for us to address those few nagging issues with AK mags that we've always wanted to.
Looking forward to the metal-lined mags, for sure. Hopefully they'll be successful enough to justify expanding the lineup to 5.45mm mags.
I'd like to second the request for a MOE-style full-length handguard. Cover the gas tube, let me get my hand out there and wrap around a handstop or shorty VFG.
One of the frequently unmentioned issues with AK mags - particularly 7.62x39- is fitment across the range of guns. Holy tolerance stacking. Radom mags won't fit in my Saiga, for example. US Palm mags need to be filed down to fit in a Sig 556R. Hopefully the Magpul version is a truly universal solution!
Moose-Knuckle
06-14-13, 19:21
One of the frequently unmentioned issues with AK mags - particularly 7.62x39- is fitment across the range of guns. Holy tolerance stacking. Radom mags won't fit in my Saiga, for example. US Palm mags need to be filed down to fit in a Sig 556R. Hopefully the Magpul version is a truly universal solution!
Never happen, to many varibles.
brickboy240
06-17-13, 17:23
A couple of weeks ago, I paid 14.94 a pop for Polish Radom AK mags.
I can also find 7.62x39 in abundance in every gun store around me.
223/5/56 ammo runs hot and cold and AR P-mags are VERY hard to find.
One of the beauties of the AK platform is cheap ammo and cheap mags that seem to last forever.
I have never bought a US Palm or Tapco AK mag....why?
-brickboy240
One of the frequently unmentioned issues with AK mags - particularly 7.62x39- is fitment across the range of guns. Holy tolerance stacking. Radom mags won't fit in my Saiga, for example. US Palm mags need to be filed down to fit in a Sig 556R. Hopefully the Magpul version is a truly universal solution!
We'll be pretty close to this goal, or as close as you can get with the variances across various conversions and manufacturers. One thing is for sure, they WILL work in a Sig 556R.
The AK Moe Mag doesn't do it for me. Unless its metal lined its just a Tapco Mag. Sorry guys... love some of your products but I don't follow the Pmag craze. I understand you guys make good mags but I have a metric ton of GI AR mags with your followers and a ton of ComBloc mags for the AK.
il mimic what Miami said, I think it would have been nice to see magpul make a metal reinforced mag similar to a bulgy first. I as well don't have brand loyalty any and all companies can take a total nose dive any given moment.
I also think a moe ak handguard would be nice if it was as well reinforced with a aluminum heat shield.
plus you can find metal surplus mags that are built like tanks for like 20 bucks.
Magpul followers and baseplates would be a good idea for 922r compliance parts as well.
Guys, it's better to build the all poly first to maximize the geometry and shell construction, then put in the metal in the follow-on design. That's why we did it this way. We seriously considered not even mentioning this until we had the metal-inserted mag in the can, but the all poly has its applications.
While any all-polymer AK mag will never be a military grade solution, we were quite confident we could improve the performance envelope to a worthwhile degree in this category.
The point all along was that the metal reinforced version is the goal, and at a price point and performance level that would be worth bringing to market.
We've dropped, fired, smashed, bent, and otherwise beaten a large, large pile of metal and polymer AK mags both in and out of guns before undertaking this project, and if we didn't see room for significant improvement, we would have let it lie.
I can assure you that if what we come up with isn't worth the squeeze, it will never see the light of day...but they are testing quite well. We certainly don't expect anyone to buy any of our products simply because it has our name on it.
daisycutter
06-17-13, 23:57
I'm sure even without the metal tab, it will be the usual superior quality I always get from Magpul.
polymorpheous
06-18-13, 00:23
Duane,
I understand what you are saying.
However, I've had a P-Mag drop off of my safe onto a wood floor and break half of a feed lip off.
Miraculously, only 2 rounds popped out.
I would imagine that I'm not the only one who has had this happen to.
How have the AK feed lips performed under a similar drop, (fully loaded mag)?
I assume you performed such testing.
I really don't see why AR P-Mags don't have reinforced feed lips.
I understand the need for metal reinforcements on an AK mag, the locking mechanism is more robust.
But the feed lips are such a weak point in any mag, why not beef them up like the planned AK mags?
Like many others have posted, I will pass on the poly mags and wait for the metal lined mags.
Moose-Knuckle
06-18-13, 00:36
Magpul followers and baseplates would be a good idea for 922r compliance parts as well.
And AK mag Ranger plates . . .
plus you can find metal surplus mags that are built like tanks for like 20 bucks.
I was a huge fan of metal mags until I put a dent into the side of one so small that I had to run my hands down the mag body to feel it, but still sufficient to bind up the follower and totally FUBAR the mag. I was able to get it working again by some judicious filing of the follower, but it was a wake-up call as to the relative fragility of steel AK mags. I'm really looking forward to the metal-lined PMAGs now.
Duane,
I understand what you are saying.
However, I've had a P-Mag drop off of my safe onto a wood floor and break half of a feed lip off.
Miraculously, only 2 rounds popped out.
I would imagine that I'm not the only one who has had this happen to.
How have the AK feed lips performed under a similar drop, (fully loaded mag)?
I assume you performed such testing.
I really don't see why AR P-Mags don't have reinforced feed lips.
I understand the need for metal reinforcements on an AK mag, the locking mechanism is more robust.
But the feed lips are such a weak point in any mag, why not beef them up like the planned AK mags?
Like many others have posted, I will pass on the poly mags and wait for the metal lined mags.
Nothing is completely indestructible. The AR mag well was designed around a disposable sheet metal mag. There's only so much room in there. Based on thousands of drops covering pretty much every conceivable magazine, we've gone down the road we have based on results. Is it possible to crack a PMAG, especially after a good bit of wear and tear, and/or a drop of a loaded mag that lands just right on the unsupported feed lip? Yes. Less so with the new material and the M3, but possible. In MOST cases, that magazine is still functional, and feeds 100% reliably...even when we split them on purpose to the point that they'll barely stay together outside the mag well. You also have a reliable deadline criteria without a feed lip gauge to tell you when you should probably survey a mag or put it in the training pile.
With metal feed lips, whether aluminum or steel, what you get is a bent lip. Far more often than a PMAG will crack, a metal lip will deform to the point that it will misfeed, and you'd never notice anything was wrong without careful inspection. Drops with the magazine inside a rifle turn out far worse for other mags, as do numerous drops on the baseplate of loaded mags. The M3 videos demonstrate some of this.
Hey--maybe we've got a slab of polymer-friendly concrete in our test lab where untold magazines have met their end, but I doubt it, and I'm not talking about small sample sizes here. I nearly choked the first time I saw the number of magazines of all types and brands that we go through in testing.
We've examined hybrid construction methods of various kinds, and found it to perform less satisfactorily than current construction. Your mileage and criteria may vary, it's just what we've found. We keep messing with various things, and if ever anything proves better...we'll probably incorporate it.
The other side of this is that it's not all about making a brick. Feeding geometries and mechanics get tweaked based on high speed film and performance of recorded variations. What you get is a magazine where, in the case of the M3, in 18k rounds over 3 magazines...I can't give you a MRBF, because the only failures were a bad primer and a sheared bolt lug. Wet, dry, dusty, hot, cold, etc...feeding reliability PLUS durability is the goal. Lets face it...most modern mags are quite reliable, so you need LARGE sample sizes, especially in "ideal conditions tests" to see the differences, but they are there.
We're doing things the way we do them not because "it's just our way", but because we've tried a ton of variables, and this is what we've found works best in our testing.
Want to know the weak spot on a bulgy AK mag? The feed lips. Solid steel tabs make it quite robust in the gun, polymer sides make it less susceptible to side impact and even feed lip damage than steels, but a bulgy can indeed bend the metal liner on a feed lip drop to the point that it will misfeed. Polymer has memory, and even if it cracks, good polymer will maintain feed geometry after the crack. Metal is less likely to crack, but the energy goes somewhere. The AK mag has A LOT more room in the feed lips than an AR mag, and a LOT more room for wall thickness. The extra thickness allows some things that you can't achieve with an AR mag without creating other problems. There are also obviously better and worse metals and polymers than traditional com-bloc materials which can be used to better effect in identical construction. I'm not saying what we have or will come up with as far as where there is metal and where there is not, because we're not done studying it. All I'm saying is that when we do present a solution, it's because we've tried just about everything, and what we present is what we've found works best across the range of performance criteria and applications.
If you don't like our products, or any particular one of our products, or just feel comfortable with another...that's fine. As with most things, YMMV. What we can control is that when we put out a magazine, it's what we've thoroughly tested to be the best solution for a given application that we've found after a lot of very meticulous work, and if it wasn't, we'd be honest, as we are when we say that we don't consider the MOE AK to be a military-grade solution. Otherwise, we couldn't sleep at night.
We certainly don't expect anyone to buy any of our products simply because it has our name on it.
Really? :p
I bought a Magpul sweater because it had your logo on it.
polymorpheous
06-18-13, 02:46
Wow!
Duane, that response was above and beyond.
Thanks for taking the time, I really do appreciate it.
:thank_you2:
I will be running the metal lined mags when they're released.
Nothing is completely indestructible. The AR mag well was designed around a disposable sheet metal mag. There's only so much room in there. Based on thousands of drops covering pretty much every conceivable magazine, we've gone down the road we have based on results. Is it possible to crack a PMAG, especially after a good bit of wear and tear, and/or a drop of a loaded mag that lands just right on the unsupported feed lip? Yes. Less so with the new material and the M3, but possible. In MOST cases, that magazine is still functional, and feeds 100% reliably...even when we split them on purpose to the point that they'll barely stay together outside the mag well. You also have a reliable deadline criteria without a feed lip gauge to tell you when you should probably survey a mag or put it in the training pile.
With metal feed lips, whether aluminum or steel, what you get is a bent lip. Far more often than a PMAG will crack, a metal lip will deform to the point that it will misfeed, and you'd never notice anything was wrong without careful inspection. Drops with the magazine inside a rifle turn out far worse for other mags, as do numerous drops on the baseplate of loaded mags. The M3 videos demonstrate some of this.
Hey--maybe we've got a slab of polymer-friendly concrete in our test lab where untold magazines have met their end, but I doubt it, and I'm not talking about small sample sizes here. I nearly choked the first time I saw the number of magazines of all types and brands that we go through in testing.
We've examined hybrid construction methods of various kinds, and found it to perform less satisfactorily than current construction. Your mileage and criteria may vary, it's just what we've found. We keep messing with various things, and if ever anything proves better...we'll probably incorporate it.
The other side of this is that it's not all about making a brick. Feeding geometries and mechanics get tweaked based on high speed film and performance of recorded variations. What you get is a magazine where, in the case of the M3, in 18k rounds over 3 magazines...I can't give you a MRBF, because the only failures were a bad primer and a sheared bolt lug. Wet, dry, dusty, hot, cold, etc...feeding reliability PLUS durability is the goal. Lets face it...most modern mags are quite reliable, so you need LARGE sample sizes, especially in "ideal conditions tests" to see the differences, but they are there.
We're doing things the way we do them not because "it's just our way", but because we've tried a ton of variables, and this is what we've found works best in our testing.
Want to know the weak spot on a bulgy AK mag? The feed lips. Solid steel tabs make it quite robust in the gun, polymer sides make it less susceptible to side impact and even feed lip damage than steels, but a bulgy can indeed bend the metal liner on a feed lip drop to the point that it will misfeed. Polymer has memory, and even if it cracks, good polymer will maintain feed geometry after the crack. Metal is less likely to crack, but the energy goes somewhere. The AK mag has A LOT more room in the feed lips than an AR mag, and a LOT more room for wall thickness. The extra thickness allows some things that you can't achieve with an AR mag without creating other problems. There are also obviously better and worse metals and polymers than traditional com-bloc materials which can be used to better effect in identical construction. I'm not saying what we have or will come up with as far as where there is metal and where there is not, because we're not done studying it. All I'm saying is that when we do present a solution, it's because we've tried just about everything, and what we present is what we've found works best across the range of performance criteria and applications.
If you don't like our products, or any particular one of our products, or just feel comfortable with another...that's fine. As with most things, YMMV. What we can control is that when we put out a magazine, it's what we've thoroughly tested to be the best solution for a given application that we've found after a lot of very meticulous work, and if it wasn't, we'd be honest, as we are when we say that we don't consider the MOE AK to be a military-grade solution. Otherwise, we couldn't sleep at night.
Well, I can say that your PR is great among the firearm community and customers. I still have my opinions but I do respect the gumption the drive that a company such as Magpul has. Keep up the fight and I will continue to use your products that I do find useful.
Also make stocks options for metric FALs and HK 33/93s. Not the fancy sniper stock but a MOE stock.
Really? :p
I bought a Magpul sweater because it had your logo on it.
Koshinn,
With the amount of time spent comparing US made shirt blanks, making sure logos are perfect on sewn tags, comparing water based discharge screening processes and heat transfer vs silk screened joker labels for the best "hand"...we try to make sure that even our swag has value, or at least appeal, beyond the logo. :-)
For the 90-something percent of AK owners that shoot at nothing more imposing than beer cans or paper targets on weekends, I think the all-polymer mag would be fine. And many wouldn't care one way or the other.
All I can say is keep up the R&D and your product will likely be the best available. I guess I won't have to call my Bulgie mags the P-Mags of the AK world.....because there will be P-Mags in the AK world. Thank you, as someone who is also working to bring the platform kicking and screaming into the 21st century. My efforts are also validated. Keep up the good work.
I'd like to second the request for a MOE-style full-length handguard. Cover the gas tube, let me get my hand out there and wrap around a handstop or shorty VFG.
+1
I'll take three, please. I already run Mag VFGs on two AKs but would love a better handguard to attach it to and to have it mounted farther out for better control.
brickboy240
06-20-13, 10:15
Yeah I would love to run a Magpul VFG on my AK.
Not getting warm fuzzies on the US Palm and other offerings for AK foreends that allow a vertical fore grip. Some seem clunky, heavy or poorly made.
-brickboy240
Yeah I would love to run a Magpul VFG on my AK.
Not getting warm fuzzies on the US Palm and other offerings for AK foreends that allow a vertical fore grip. Some seem clunky, heavy or poorly made.
-brickboy240
My AK runs a MOE VFG and it's solid, light in weight, and not bulky at all.
http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/40_SuperAwesome/20130618_111636_zps3d070ce5.jpg
Tapco AK-74 style muzzle break
Tapco single hook G2 trigger group
Ergo pistol grip
Hogue Overmold handguard
Midwest Industries 30mm Red Dot mount w/ Aimpoint Clone
CAA metal one piece "buffer tube" with a M4 stock
Condor Tactical 2 point sling
Old Streamlight M3 w/ pressure tape
Magpul Moe stubby VFG
Vorpal_weapon
08-07-13, 16:18
I’ll be waiting for the metal reinforced mags . . . and using ComBloc metal (and my old not-expensive-at-the-time Circle 10 units) until then - just ordered another carton of Russian mags from AIM. Particularly since mags are more or less disposable, I view current Circle 10 mag prices as completely obscene and wouldn’t think of buying one at today’s retail price. I have a few of the Polish Radom poly mags – won’t lock into the Firing Line T3 milled receivers or my SLR107FR – they fit pretty tightly w/o mods in the preban Norincos and the older builds on GT receivers. I’d never seriously consider TAPCO or Promag and haven’t tried the US Palm AK mags either – the look alone kinda put me off. I’d be willing to try Magpul because I’ve been very satisfied with the pile of Pmags I’ve used over the last five years. Although I’m not interested in the unreinforced MOE version, it will probably be just the ticket for a lot of casual shooters.
As for other calibers, I think there would be a big demand for quality 5.56 AK mags. There are a lot of spendy preban 5.56 AKs out there with about no decent mag options.
I appreciate quality, American-made products. So often it seems that US made parts and accessories (particularly for foreign military-type rifles) are developed with only a low price point in mind and they’re embarrassing garbage. I scrupulously avoid nearly all US-made FAL and AK parts and accessories. I’m no kool-aid drinker, but Magpul has fielded some professional grade products. While I’m not a fan of the MOE line for the most part, I can understand its place in the market. I certainly appreciate an American company that invests the ingenuity and effort it takes to offer quality. Obviously, Magpul has done that with a number of their products - some of their stuff is truly good to go. I hope that will be the case with the AK mags.
Moose-Knuckle
08-07-13, 21:41
As for other calibers, I think there would be a big demand for quality 5.56 AK mags. There are a lot of spendy preban 5.56 AKs out there with about no decent mag options.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I did not think there was a standardized 5.56 mag for Kalashnikovs. Will the Bulgarian OEM circle 10 mags work in the various pre-bans?
I'd appreciate some 5.56 AK mags patterned after the Bulgarian circle 10s. They do seem to be one of the more compatible 5.56 AK mags.
It's my opinion that the Bulgarians designed their 5.56 AKs around parts compatibility with their 7.62 rifles. The bolt is basically an AKM bolt with a smaller bolt face. The carrier is an AKM carrier without question. The trunnion is an AK-74 trunnion, but with an AKM feed ramp/bullet guide instead of the AK-74 type.
The Bulgarian magazine is not ideal for 5.56 because the feedlips are wider apart than optimum in order to clear the wide bottom lug of the AKM-like bolt (which was obviously designed to strip larger rounds from the much wider AK-47 magazine). The design seems an odd compromise- I think I would have chosen to use an AK-74 bolt with smaller bolt face and a mag based on the AK-74, only with less curvature, like the Russians and Polish did. My guess is that their choice had something to do with their discontinuation of the Bulgarian AK-74 and a desire to make use of machines already set up for production of their milled receiver AKs.
All that said, the Bulgarian circle 10 magazine seems to work well in spite of the feed lips having less control over the top round in the magazine.
I'd appreciate some 5.56 AK mags patterned after the Bulgarian circle 10s. They do seem to be one of the more compatible 5.56 AK mags.
It's my opinion that the Bulgarians designed their 5.56 AKs around parts compatibility with their 7.62 rifles. The bolt is basically an AKM bolt with a smaller bolt face. The carrier is an AKM carrier without question. The trunnion is an AK-74 trunnion, but with an AKM feed ramp/bullet guide instead of the AK-74 type.
The Bulgarian magazine is not ideal for 5.56 because the feedlips are wider apart than optimum in order to clear the wide bottom lug of the AKM-like bolt (which was obviously designed to strip larger rounds from the much wider AK-47 magazine). The design seems an odd compromise- I think I would have chosen to use an AK-74 bolt with smaller bolt face and a mag based on the AK-74, only with less curvature, like the Russians and Polish did. My guess is that their choice had something to do with their discontinuation of the Bulgarian AK-74 and a desire to make use of machines already set up for production of their milled receiver AKs.
All that said, the Bulgarian circle 10 magazine seems to work well in spite of the feed lips having less control over the top round in the magazine.
Would you say that circle 10s tend to spill there rounds more easily if dropped then do two the wider feed lips?
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I've never had a circle 10 barf rounds.
Vorpal_weapon
08-08-13, 08:53
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I did not think there was a standardized 5.56 mag for Kalashnikovs. Will the Bulgarian OEM circle 10 mags work in the various pre-bans?
You are correct brother moose. There was not even compatibility between various mfrs of Chinese 5.56 AKs (which contributed greatly to the relative unpopularity of 5.56 AKs). Availability of decent, affordable mags has always been a major weak point of that concept. However, those ingenious 'muricans' have had a lot of success moding the Bulgarian circle 10s to fit say a Valmet. Original Finnish 5.56 mag = rare and $$$; modified Arsenal 5.56 mag =not cheap, but considerably less. When, you've got one or more $1,500-2,000 premium AKs, you are more likely to justify some outlay for a minimum quantity of reliable mags to make for a viable system. Even if the tolerances don't make for a perfect-from-the-factory solution, an affordable quality mag to modify would be a god-send. Even the unreinforced poly mags could be used as range mags. I think Magpul is positioned marvelously to take advantage of this situation.
I'm looking forward to picking some of these up. I hope they work as well as the AR Pmags.
FlyAndFight
08-08-13, 12:12
Would love to see 5.45 x 39 P-mags as well.
rbabbitt767
08-08-13, 18:52
Would love to see 5.45 x 39 P-mags as well.
This.
Sooo what's the ETA for these? I'm sending payment tomorrow for my first AK. Half of the reason I went with 7.62 was knowing these were on the way.
I'm waiting for them as well. I want to send my AK to Rifle Dynamics but I'd like to try this out before I send it out to them.
Would you say that circle 10s tend to spill there rounds more easily if dropped then do two the wider feed lips?
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Not when new, but I have had a couple of them barf in and out of the weapon as they starting to become worn. (When the one's in the weapon happened, both times the live rounds popped right out of the ejection port, once resulting in no stoppage and once resulting in a click and no bang because of an empty chamber, requiring only racking the bolt to continue.) I later carefully squeezed the front most metal reinforced part of the feedlips together and it seemed to fix the issue, though the mags were still marked and set aside for range use only.
I've noticed that the metal used in the feedlips in my examples bends somewhat readily when dropped on the lips onto concrete from shouldered-weapon-height. The steel seems to be pretty soft. It can easily be bent back however, restoring function without any issue that I've observed in the several hundred rounds that magazine has seen since then.
The larger than optimal gap between feed lips seems that it would necessarily make the magazine more prone to barfing, compared to an AK-74 or AK-101 mag, as the magazine wears with use. This, combined with the decision to use a 7.62x39 feedramp that is basically non functional, means the weapon is almost solely dependent on the magazine's feed lip area having very nearly the precise shapes required in order to positively guide rounds into the chamber- and still requires a deep/wide ramp to be ground into the breach face to account for variables and ensure that happens.
It sounds bad in logical theory, but works in practice with the safety net of the improved (they broadened it in later production) breach face ramp added to the equation.
The thing that gets me is that they chose to design an entirely new mag with sub optimal feed ramps rather than procuring AK-74 feedramps and (or at least) just grinding the already modified AKM bolt's "feeding lug" into a narrower profile to match a '74 bolt's and work with a more-optimal AK-74 mag-type feedlip gap. Hindsight's 20/20 I guess.
Magpul posted a pic on their Facebook page.
Share with those of us who choose to partake of the facebook, please.
Share with those of us who choose to partake of the facebook, please.
http://imageshack.us/a/img138/3032/efdv.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img138/3032/efdv.jpg
Thanks! I hope this means they're close to ready....
I haven't seen this posted yet.
I picked up my first AK today along with two European surplus mags. Both of them had very minor dents that caused the followers to bind. Hopefully I can get them refunded or exchanged from the site I bought them from but it made me wish these were released already.
Magpul (http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG572/PMAG)
Supposedly coming late summer.
I haven't seen this posted yet.
I picked up my first AK today along with two European surplus mags. Both of them had very minor dents that caused the followers to bind. Hopefully I can get them refunded or exchanged from the site I bought them from but it made me wish these were released already.
Magpul (http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG572/PMAG)
Supposedly coming late summer.
I had one like that. I was able to lightly file the follower and clear the dent.
Patienty waiting for these...
I could use a couple, or 10 :D
Looks like there is a petition for 5.45 mags. I think we all want 5.45 mags eventually but i think Magpul has enough on their plate.
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/ak-owners-for-545x39-magpul-ak-magazines.html
Shit, we need mags for Mini 14's . Where do I sign up for those??
I'm hoping the release of the MBUS Pro means these will be next, very soon. In the meantime I had to pick up a Tapco so I could at least have a full capacity, functioning mag which is kind of depressing.
I'm hoping the release of the MBUS Pro means these will be next, very soon. In the meantime I had to pick up a Tapco so I could at least have a full capacity, functioning mag which is kind of depressing.
The announcement of the Magpul mags seemed to have lowered the US Palm stock for awhile; I haven't looked lately, but I would choose those over Tapco.
Personally I am going to wait for the second release (with the metal tabs); but I plan on investing in quite a few of these.
The announcement of the Magpul mags seemed to have lowered the US Palm stock for awhile; I haven't looked lately, but I would choose those over Tapco.
Personally I am going to wait for the second release (with the metal tabs); but I plan on investing in quite a few of these.
I didn't want to pay double for one of those since I'm relatively certain that the Magpul ones will become my primary.
Looks like there is a petition for 5.45 mags. I think we all want 5.45 mags eventually but i think Magpul has enough on their plate.
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/ak-owners-for-545x39-magpul-ak-magazines.html
I really hope this takes off so they start making the 5.45 x39 ones since I don't own a 47. Signed by the way.
7.62WildBill
12-26-13, 21:24
Coming soon?
Coming soon?
I hope so. I am very much looking forward to getting some.
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Moose-Knuckle
12-27-13, 01:05
SHOT is in a few weeks so . . .
Wolfhound86
12-27-13, 15:26
Thank God!!! No more being bent over by K-Var!!
Moose-Knuckle
01-09-14, 17:17
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/AKS-74/magpulshotad_zps17ac1ec1.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/AKS-74/media/magpulshotad_zps17ac1ec1.jpg.html)
MSRP $13.95
http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG572
WickedWillis
01-09-14, 17:40
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/AKS-74/magpulshotad_zps17ac1ec1.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/AKS-74/media/magpulshotad_zps17ac1ec1.jpg.html)
MSRP $13.95
http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG572
Shipping at SHOT!! Duane Liptak had a very good discussion on Facebook yesterday with the AK operators union and addressed the issues and reasoning of why the 1st run will not have steel-lipped magazines. Guy was awesome on explaining in detail about the magazines.
Moose-Knuckle
01-09-14, 18:47
Shipping at SHOT!! Duane Liptak had a very good discussion on Facebook yesterday with the AK operators union and addressed the issues and reasoning of why the 1st run will not have steel-lipped magazines. Guy was awesome on explaining in detail about the magazines.
I'll be sure to check out the FB page, thx for the heads up.
Will these be pronounced "good kit"? We've waited long enough! (DSG lists a much higher price).
Moose-Knuckle
01-09-14, 19:13
Will these be pronounced "good kit"? We've waited long enough! (DSG lists a much higher price).
I'm sure places like Aim and 44Mag will have them at MSRP with free shipping.
I preordered mine from Circle-10, after that FB discussion. He lists them $24.95, but said he'd send two for that price.
Shipping at SHOT!! Duane Liptak had a very good discussion on Facebook yesterday with the AK operators union and addressed the issues and reasoning of why the 1st run will not have steel-lipped magazines. Guy was awesome on explaining in detail about the magazines.
Was it on Magpul's post about the release? I can't find it.
plouffedaddy
01-09-14, 21:06
Rob, I had a man known for his Cro-Magnon gun handling skills as well as our normal test team doing reloads as abusively as possible in the old "strip the empty out with the new" method. They did the tests while standing on concrete and made an effort to see how far they could fling the empty. True, outright abuse. Lather rinse and repeat a couple hundred times. The corners of the polymer tabs get slightly rounded after a bunch of this abuse, but we were pleasantly surprised with how well they held up after the initial sharp corners wore a bit. We did a few things differently with material and technique than other all polymer mags. We also shot them from magazine monopod before and after the reload abuse. The concerns you are raising were my concerns, too, when we set out to do the all-polymer version first, and we've tested to address those concerns. Feel free to stop by at NRA to discuss, and anyone who will be at SHOT is welcome, also.
Anyway, will the steel tabbed ones we have in the works hold up better? I'm sure. The steel reinforced mags will be our professional grade solution. The MOE mag is pretty darned good, though, and allowed us to get feed geometry that achieves our reliability goals with various ammo types and platform compatibility. Think of the MOE AK as hard sporting use durability with professional grade reliability at a reasonable price point, and the upcoming steel reinforced mag as the true professional grade solution, leveraging the lessons we learned about geometry in making the MOE with the steel where it needs to be. One other note...we did part of the endurance testing in a rifle with a sloppy mag catch and didn't support the mag...the kind of thing that tears a polymer tab up in short order as the mag flops under recoil--as well as a bunch of other tests, and we solicited fit and function input from those "familiar" names I talked about. Anyway, always glad to talk AKs, and happy to be here. Keep doing what you're doing, guys, love the page. We'll have more AK stuff on the way.
--All Duane
Then….
Rob: I will take your word on it. I'm going to buy this mag and you better pray that it will not fail me - just kidding. Ok, i tell you what, i'm really going to buy this mag and i'm planing on using it, so i can have some useful feedback for you when we will meet at the NRA show. Now, if you could only promise me 5.45 mag for Easter...lol! - Rob Ski
Duane Liptak: That might be fast from a development perspective, but I'm just as anxious to get 5.45 as you!
Mrgunsngear: Duane Liptak---Rob's not kidding
Mauser KAR98K
01-09-14, 22:42
I am excited of the coming AK Pmags, particularly the steel reenforced. I have a Sig556r that I love.
But I would really love a good 5.45 (AK74) mag, USA made, that is very comparable to the Russian, and Bulgarian Circle 10s, but not the cost. I'd but 30+ of those.
I'll be buying some 7.62 mags, but again..... Would love to see an affordable solution for the 5.45 guns. Ak mags for the price of AR mags, and reliable. I would actually be able to afford to stockpile some mags. $40 + for a circle 10 mag is ridiculous.
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Moose-Knuckle
01-09-14, 23:57
The time has come that it is actually financial viable for a US firm to produce a US made AK magazine. For a looooong time AK mags were under $10 a pop, kind of hard to compete with E-Bloc quality at that price point. At $13.95 I will buy my share of the MOE AK mags so as not to wear and tear my E-Bloc waffels, bakelites, and steel mags.
WickedWillis
01-10-14, 11:34
Was it on Magpul's post about the release? I can't find it.
No, Duane was talking on the AK operators union post on facebook, Plouffedaddy (Shout out to you mrgunsngear) posted some of the things he said and the points he hit on above.
Moose-Knuckle
01-10-14, 18:57
Will these be pronounced "good kit"? We've waited long enough! (DSG lists a much higher price).
DSG has since changed the price listed on their site ($13.25), I ass-u-me that $29 one was a guess on their part as the US PALMs retail for that.
http://dsgarms.com/ProductInfo/MAG572-BLK.aspx
Getting some TAPCO slab sides, so I'll definitely pick some of these up to use for range/compare. Shows promise.
Well if they last more than one range session with me they'll be ahead of the first time I used US Palm mags...
Wonder if Magpul will have any new things to announce for the ak platform at shot.
Wonder if Magpul will have any new things to announce for the ak platform at shot.
Duane did say more AK stuff was on the way... But I wouldn't be surprised if they had very little for SHOT this year since they've had to deal with the move, flood, and everything else.
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black22rifle
01-11-14, 12:20
Has anyone at magpul mentioned they plan on bringing out a 5.45 version? The only thing stopping me from buying an sgl 31 is the mag prices, i like to have plenty.
Well if they last more than one range session with me they'll be ahead of the first time I used US Palm mags...
Evidently Palm AK mags have improved quite a bit, and I suspect magpul ramped up to meet the challenge given the delay. Heck, version one TAPCOs evidently make good range mags.
Duane did say more AK stuff was on the way... But I wouldn't be surprised if they had very little for SHOT this year since they've had to deal with the move, flood, and everything else.
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We've got a metric ton of stuff in the works, but we are only going to announce a few small things. We have a bunch of releases planned for this year, but no sneak peeks yet. Don't want to tip our hand too much with some of this stuff. We'll be featuring the AK Mag, the new MS1 Sling System, the Rail Light mount, updated MOE K, some other things, etc. We've worked very hard to keep design rolling despite the move craziness. Some of the stuff that will be coming, we've hinted at. Other stuff may be surprising. Some are truly "not sure if this is even possible, but I think we can do it" stuff. We're going to try to keep quiet until we're ready to ship, if we can hold back our enthusiasm.
At $13.95 I will buy my share of the MOE AK mags so as not to wear and tear my E-Bloc waffels, bakelites, and steel mags.
I'm in Afghanistan, and I've seen mags that I think Mohammed himself may have carried. I would not stay up late worrying about original commie mags wearing out. I think the magpul offering will rock because it will work, and it will weigh half of what a steel mag weighs (and be priced right).
Moose-Knuckle
01-11-14, 15:37
We've got a metric ton of stuff in the works, but we are only going to announce a few small things. We have a bunch of releases planned for this year, but no sneak peeks yet. Don't want to tip our hand too much with some of this stuff. We'll be featuring the AK Mag, the new MS1 Sling System, the Rail Light mount, updated MOE K, some other things, etc. We've worked very hard to keep design rolling despite the move craziness. Some of the stuff that will be coming, we've hinted at. Other stuff may be surprising. Some are truly "not sure if this is even possible, but I think we can do it" stuff. We're going to try to keep quiet until we're ready to ship, if we can hold back our enthusiasm.
Sweet, I look forward to Grey handguards!
Moose-Knuckle
01-11-14, 15:38
I'm in Afghanistan, and I've seen mags that I think Mohammed himself may have carried. I would not stay up late worrying about original commie mags wearing out. I think the magpul offering will rock because it will work, and it will weigh half of what a steel mag weighs (and be priced right).
Oh no doubt, I'm thinking along the lines of potential bans given the current political climate.
Yea, with the gray grip I just picked up from DSG Arms, I sure hope Magpul will at least gonna offer the mags and a forend for me to put on my 104 SBR...... I've already got some MOE mags on preorder with Circle 10. I've got plenty of Circle 10s for "serious social purposes" if need be. Keep up the good work Magpul. The fact that you guys are getting into the market validates my work. The AK is alive and growing in the US!
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01-11-14, 18:54
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There's going to be a couple minor changes apparently but here's a preview of what ya'll can expect with these:
Pros:
-100% reliability in 5 rifles tested in
-Durable, Magpul quality
-Gen M3 PMAG marking system
-Grooves in the follower line up with grooves in the mag body to create a follower that is virtually impossible to generate tilt on.
-922r points
-Flared floorplate for pulling out of mag pouches
Cons:
-The big one is that there is no steel reinforcements. But, it's coming….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVSjNoqGqXk
I wish the Arsenal 5.56 platform was popular enough for Magpul to make mags for it!
I wish the Arsenal 5.56 platform popular enough for Magpul to make mags for it!
Didn't they just recently discontinue their 5.56 models?
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plouffedaddy
01-12-14, 18:29
Didn't they just recently discontinue their 5.56 models?
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Yes. But they said they weren't making 5.45 rifles in Bulgaria anymore a few years ago as well. Now, just so happens they have 2 "never seen before" 104 variants being imported. Same thing will happen with the 106s. Just posting it now so in 3-5 years I can come back and say "told you so" :D
Yes. But they said they weren't making 5.45 rifles in Bulgaria anymore a few years ago as well. Now, just so happens they have 2 "never seen before" 104 variants being imported. Same thing will happen with the 106s. Just posting it now so in 3-5 years I can come back and say "told you so" :D
I'd bet that you're right. I seem to recall someone stating a long time ago on another site that the tooling to make 5.45x39 AKs in Bulgaria was destroyed or something. Somehow it magically re appeared!
bondmid003
01-16-14, 12:12
Looking forward to buying a couple to tide me over until the steel reinforced mags come out
3ACR_Scout
06-08-14, 11:19
I'm digging this older thread up - just wondering if anyone has any feedback after putting these magazines though their paces in a class or down range. I finally picked one up at a show yesterday for some T&E. It seems very sturdy and is certainly more comfortable to handle than my metal mags (can't stand the ones with the thin spine on the back). I'm sure the plastic contact points will hold up very well for a while, and these are disposable items, after all, as pointed out previously.
On a side note, it's always interesting to see the subtle changes that Magpul makes in their products - in the case, switching to the dark red follower from the lighter gray color used in 5.56 PMAGs, and the foliage green and yellow used for the current USGI replacement followers.
Dave
alienb1212
06-08-14, 11:35
My $.02
I was not impressed with these magazines. While they are lightweight, easier to handle, and look "cool" they simply are not anywhere near the level of a surplus poly or steel magazine.
I have had several double-feeds with rifles that otherwise have had zero issues. Several FTFs as well. I also "tried" to break one by casually dropping it loaded on some concrete, and managed to screw a feed lip up.
It doesn't seem to me like the spring is strong enough in the four that I had to reliably feed properly. Also the feed lips can bow out a little under some circumstances.
I will definitely give Magpul another chance when they come up with the reinforced version, but these are what I would consider "range toys" and nothing more at this point.
The only thing I found attractive were their price. For cheap range mags they're great. For "ohmygodsomeone'sbreakingin" I'd stick with even a cheaper metal mag.
Sounds like for the same 'level of product', Tapcos are better.
3ACR_Scout
06-08-14, 14:08
Thanks for the feedback - I'm definitely holding out for the metal-reinforced version but figured I'd try out just one of these. I need to look at the identifying features for various brands of metal magazines again to refresh myself on which ones to look for. I saw plenty at the show (Dulles outside of DC) but couldn't remember which ones, if any, to avoid.
Dave
SilverBullet432
06-08-14, 19:36
The pmag has WAY less wobble.
Alienb1212, We'd be interested in seeing those magazines if you'd like to swap out. We have not seen a broken feed lip on a MOE AK PMAG yet, except in deliberate destructive testing, so that would be nice to get a look at. Also, feed geometry and performance is one of the things that we've focused on, and reliability has exceeded everything else we've benchmarked against in over 100K rounds of testing. If you would provide info on firearms, ammo, and circumstances to customer service, we'd be very happy to get that info and the mags and get you taken care of.
The spring force is optimized, and you'll see that our spring is much longer than many competitors’ springs. Compare it to a good ComBloc spring, and you'll see a great similarity, however. The AK can be made to feed quite well with a shorter spring, but there are situations where it is not optimal, and we sided with the extra expense of making it right.
We made some decisions on the MOE mag that we knew we'd take some heat for… one being the fact that the first mag is unreinforced, as we’ve discussed, and another being the stiffness. There is a tendency to make AK mags softer, especially in all polymer designs, to give the impression of strength in the ubiquitous “loaded weapon drop on the mag” that stresses the rear locking tab. Softer material allows the magazine to absorb a lot of the impact and flex instead of cracking-you can actually see the magazine act like a shock absorber on high speed and watch the rear tab flex. Stiffer polymer, like ours, especially with the way we reinforce them, actually has significantly more static pull out strength than the softer stuff, but does not have the shock absorber effect, since the stiffer body and tab do not flex or yield as much as the soft polymer, even though the harder polymer is stronger in yield strength. Don’t get me wrong, we wouldn’t let a “delicate” mag out into the wild. (As some reviewers have found, because of our reinforcement orientation and type, in most cases, even if you do manage to break a tab through abusive handling, the mag will likely lock in on the stub and function, though.)
It was extremely tempting to go with a softer, more flexible polymer formulation, as we knew this would be the first thing the internet did with the mags, but for many reasons, we opted not to.
The more rigid, harder polymer has significant advantages in mag longevity and function. The harder polymer resists grit embedding for best function in dusty conditions, feed lip geometry does not creep or flex, the feed lips and tabs are extremely wear resistant, maintaining optimum feed geometry over thousands of rounds, and the front trunnion engagement and locking tab resist deformation and damage under recoil. (We endurance tested the MOE AK mags to 5k rounds each). We designed the MOE mag for high volume use, and to vet out and tweak the geometry prior to the reinforced mag since it’s much easier to make changes in an unreinforced mag. All this feeds into the reinforced mag program, and we are expecting it to have feeding performance that if any change is noticed will be better (Will be difficult to improve on what we’ve seen in MOE testing) due to the solid steel for front and rear positioning, and to be pretty much bomb proof. In the meantime, after having seen all the testing that I’ve seen of every AK mag known to man, I am extremely comfortable with MOE AK PMAGs in my kit, but I’m as anxious as anyone to get the reinforced mags out.
We’ve got a feedback loop that includes a few high volume training programs, foreign weapons training cadres, etc, and we’ve got a lot of happy users in these groups.
In any case, if you have a mag that is giving you any problems, please contact customer service, and we’ll get you taken care of so we can evaluate the issue you are having.
3ACR_Scout
06-09-14, 12:54
Duane - Thanks for the very interesting and informative feedback. I'm looking forward to testing out my MOE mag and comparing it to my regular metal mags, although I probably won't have an opportunity to use it in a class, so I doubt I'll be able to truly stress it out.
Dave
alienb1212
06-09-14, 19:52
Alienb1212, We'd be interested in seeing those magazines if you'd like to swap out. We have not seen a broken feed lip on a MOE AK PMAG yet, except in deliberate destructive testing, so that would be nice to get a look at. Also, feed geometry and performance is one of the things that we've focused on, and reliability has exceeded everything else we've benchmarked against in over 100K rounds of testing. If you would provide info on firearms, ammo, and circumstances to customer service, we'd be very happy to get that info and the mags and get you taken care of.
The spring force is optimized, and you'll see that our spring is much longer than many competitors’ springs. Compare it to a good ComBloc spring, and you'll see a great similarity, however. The AK can be made to feed quite well with a shorter spring, but there are situations where it is not optimal, and we sided with the extra expense of making it right.
We made some decisions on the MOE mag that we knew we'd take some heat for… one being the fact that the first mag is unreinforced, as we’ve discussed, and another being the stiffness. There is a tendency to make AK mags softer, especially in all polymer designs, to give the impression of strength in the ubiquitous “loaded weapon drop on the mag” that stresses the rear locking tab. Softer material allows the magazine to absorb a lot of the impact and flex instead of cracking-you can actually see the magazine act like a shock absorber on high speed and watch the rear tab flex. Stiffer polymer, like ours, especially with the way we reinforce them, actually has significantly more static pull out strength than the softer stuff, but does not have the shock absorber effect, since the stiffer body and tab do not flex or yield as much as the soft polymer, even though the harder polymer is stronger in yield strength. Don’t get me wrong, we wouldn’t let a “delicate” mag out into the wild. (As some reviewers have found, because of our reinforcement orientation and type, in most cases, even if you do manage to break a tab through abusive handling, the mag will likely lock in on the stub and function, though.)
It was extremely tempting to go with a softer, more flexible polymer formulation, as we knew this would be the first thing the internet did with the mags, but for many reasons, we opted not to.
The more rigid, harder polymer has significant advantages in mag longevity and function. The harder polymer resists grit embedding for best function in dusty conditions, feed lip geometry does not creep or flex, the feed lips and tabs are extremely wear resistant, maintaining optimum feed geometry over thousands of rounds, and the front trunnion engagement and locking tab resist deformation and damage under recoil. (We endurance tested the MOE AK mags to 5k rounds each). We designed the MOE mag for high volume use, and to vet out and tweak the geometry prior to the reinforced mag since it’s much easier to make changes in an unreinforced mag. All this feeds into the reinforced mag program, and we are expecting it to have feeding performance that if any change is noticed will be better (Will be difficult to improve on what we’ve seen in MOE testing) due to the solid steel for front and rear positioning, and to be pretty much bomb proof. In the meantime, after having seen all the testing that I’ve seen of every AK mag known to man, I am extremely comfortable with MOE AK PMAGs in my kit, but I’m as anxious as anyone to get the reinforced mags out.
We’ve got a feedback loop that includes a few high volume training programs, foreign weapons training cadres, etc, and we’ve got a lot of happy users in these groups.
In any case, if you have a mag that is giving you any problems, please contact customer service, and we’ll get you taken care of so we can evaluate the issue you are having.
Duane;
Thanks for the offer to make good on your product. I guess my tone in the post was a bit negative, but I'm more than happy with 99% of the products from you guys that I own. This one was the first and only one I have had any kind of negative experience with, and I did not post with the expectation of getting something for my whining ;)
I have since sold both the rifle and undamaged magazines, however;
Conditions were about -10F when the magazine feed lip cracked. As stated it was more deliberate, I held it up at shoulder-height fully loaded with some FMJ Tula, and dropped it onto clean concrete. About 1/3 of the rounds ejected, the crack was on the backside right near the locking tab, and went in a diagonal line to approximately the middle of the feed lip, on the right side, (if holding with the locking tab facing your body)
The polymer chunk broke pretty cleanly, and I was not able to find it. I remember being surprised how thick the lips actually were.
I may have some pictures, I know I took some but that was some months ago in early January. I will check to see if I can find them and post them in a PM for you. I doubt I still have the magazine. If I do I will send it to you. I don't need a replacement.
As far as the double-feeds, I had two weapons, a Zatstava rifle and a WASR-10, (yeah, yeah) that have given me zero issues that were not ammo related. In both rifles, one of the mags I had would double feed at least once every 2-3 refills. I was able to narrow it down to one of the five I had. Come to think of it, it may have also been the one that eventually got dropped and broke as well, as I do not recall having any double-feed malfunctions after that mag broke.
All that said, I am not unhappy with any of your products, it just seemed to me these were more or less relegated to range-only duty. I may have just gotten a bad one.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
I have 6 of these and they work in every AK that I have, flawlessly. Will buy the reinforced ones when they come out, that's for sure.
Thanks again magpul for another awesome product that fits the bill. Sure, heading into harms way i would be loaded up with my steel mags but I don't think these magpuls would give up the ghost on me unless they got run over, hit or some other freak occurrence.
Edit: I have used these in a couple classes with my norinco and my underfolder. They can take a substantial hit to a door frame, ground with my 160lb self going prone and being dropped on concrete (albeit empty!
plouffedaddy
06-10-14, 12:55
Alienb1212, We'd be interested in seeing those magazines if you'd like to swap out. We have not seen a broken feed lip on a MOE AK PMAG yet, except in deliberate destructive testing, so that would be nice to get a look at. Also, feed geometry and performance is one of the things that we've focused on, and reliability has exceeded everything else we've benchmarked against in over 100K rounds of testing. If you would provide info on firearms, ammo, and circumstances to customer service, we'd be very happy to get that info and the mags and get you taken care of.
The spring force is optimized, and you'll see that our spring is much longer than many competitors’ springs. Compare it to a good ComBloc spring, and you'll see a great similarity, however. The AK can be made to feed quite well with a shorter spring, but there are situations where it is not optimal, and we sided with the extra expense of making it right.
We made some decisions on the MOE mag that we knew we'd take some heat for… one being the fact that the first mag is unreinforced, as we’ve discussed, and another being the stiffness. There is a tendency to make AK mags softer, especially in all polymer designs, to give the impression of strength in the ubiquitous “loaded weapon drop on the mag” that stresses the rear locking tab. Softer material allows the magazine to absorb a lot of the impact and flex instead of cracking-you can actually see the magazine act like a shock absorber on high speed and watch the rear tab flex. Stiffer polymer, like ours, especially with the way we reinforce them, actually has significantly more static pull out strength than the softer stuff, but does not have the shock absorber effect, since the stiffer body and tab do not flex or yield as much as the soft polymer, even though the harder polymer is stronger in yield strength. Don’t get me wrong, we wouldn’t let a “delicate” mag out into the wild. (As some reviewers have found, because of our reinforcement orientation and type, in most cases, even if you do manage to break a tab through abusive handling, the mag will likely lock in on the stub and function, though.)
It was extremely tempting to go with a softer, more flexible polymer formulation, as we knew this would be the first thing the internet did with the mags, but for many reasons, we opted not to.
The more rigid, harder polymer has significant advantages in mag longevity and function. The harder polymer resists grit embedding for best function in dusty conditions, feed lip geometry does not creep or flex, the feed lips and tabs are extremely wear resistant, maintaining optimum feed geometry over thousands of rounds, and the front trunnion engagement and locking tab resist deformation and damage under recoil. (We endurance tested the MOE AK mags to 5k rounds each). We designed the MOE mag for high volume use, and to vet out and tweak the geometry prior to the reinforced mag since it’s much easier to make changes in an unreinforced mag. All this feeds into the reinforced mag program, and we are expecting it to have feeding performance that if any change is noticed will be better (Will be difficult to improve on what we’ve seen in MOE testing) due to the solid steel for front and rear positioning, and to be pretty much bomb proof. In the meantime, after having seen all the testing that I’ve seen of every AK mag known to man, I am extremely comfortable with MOE AK PMAGs in my kit, but I’m as anxious as anyone to get the reinforced mags out.
We’ve got a feedback loop that includes a few high volume training programs, foreign weapons training cadres, etc, and we’ve got a lot of happy users in these groups.
In any case, if you have a mag that is giving you any problems, please contact customer service, and we’ll get you taken care of so we can evaluate the issue you are having.
Good info. FWIW with the exception of the one I dropped in the video all have been 100% since. Had them out yesterday again as well----0 issues.
Flankenstein
01-02-15, 00:06
I know this is a little older, but any new info on the reinforced mags?
Here's hoping for info at Shot Show :cool:
They have alluded/flat out said shot show.
Less then three weeks now, I'll let you all know when I get there. Magpul will be one of my first stops, just for that reason. I've heard they'll be releasing other AK items too!
Doc. Holiday
01-02-15, 15:54
I want 5.45 mags....
vereceleritas
01-07-15, 15:10
I want 5.45 mags....
I second this. AK74 magazine prices have gotten ridiculous.
I want 5.45 mags....
I second this. AK74 magazine prices have gotten ridiculous.
Yep, i would be all over these
We'll have the reinforced GEN M3 mags to show, although we're still testing/tweaking and won't be shipping yet, but it's pretty close.
Apart from that, it's 2 lines of items for the AK, not just one or two other products.
74 train is rolling, too, along with other variants and sizes.
It's going to be a big year that we're all very excited about. New Booth, very product centric (Had to with all the new stuff), and a ton of very cool items. The biggest challenge will be to make sure that some of them don't get lost in the noise since it's just a lot to take in.
Teaser videos likely next week.
WickedWillis
01-07-15, 18:04
We'll have the reinforced GEN M3 mags to show, although we're still testing/tweaking and won't be shipping yet, but it's pretty close.
Apart from that, it's 2 lines of items for the AK, not just one or two other products.
74 train is rolling, too, along with other variants and sizes.
It's going to be a big year that we're all very excited about. New Booth, very product centric (Had to with all the new stuff), and a ton of very cool items. The biggest challenge will be to make sure that some of them don't get lost in the noise since it's just a lot to take in.
Teaser videos likely next week.
Great news, thank you for the heads-up.
We'll have the reinforced GEN M3 mags to show, although we're still testing/tweaking and won't be shipping yet, but it's pretty close.
Apart from that, it's 2 lines of items for the AK, not just one or two other products.
74 train is rolling, too, along with other variants and sizes.
It's going to be a big year that we're all very excited about. New Booth, very product centric (Had to with all the new stuff), and a ton of very cool items. The biggest challenge will be to make sure that some of them don't get lost in the noise since it's just a lot to take in.
Teaser videos likely next week.
Sir, this all sounds extremely exciting! I have been an AR person for a long time but Magpul's involvement in the AK PMAG platform has allowed me to take a second look at the AK system. I have been toying with the idea of getting one. Being an impatient person that likes to plan way too far ahead, would you mind telling us what caliber AK PMAG Magpul is releasing? 5.45? 5.56? .308? I am trying to invest in a SAIGA platform right now.
I'm really hoping for some 5.56 AK mags.
We'll have the reinforced GEN M3 mags to show, although we're still testing/tweaking and won't be shipping yet, but it's pretty close.
Apart from that, it's 2 lines of items for the AK, not just one or two other products.
74 train is rolling, too, along with other variants and sizes.
It's going to be a big year that we're all very excited about. New Booth, very product centric (Had to with all the new stuff), and a ton of very cool items. The biggest challenge will be to make sure that some of them don't get lost in the noise since it's just a lot to take in.
Teaser videos likely next week.
I've not been this stoked for SHOT Show in quite some time.
Sir, this all sounds extremely exciting! I have been an AR person for a long time but Magpul's involvement in the AK PMAG platform has allowed me to take a second look at the AK system. I have been toying with the idea of getting one. Being an impatient person that likes to plan way too far ahead, would you mind telling us what caliber AK PMAG Magpul is releasing? 5.45? 5.56? .308? I am trying to invest in a SAIGA platform right now.
Why not just go with the 7.62?
Looks like I will wait until the Gen M3 mags come out.. Good to hear
We'll have the reinforced GEN M3 mags to show, although we're still testing/tweaking and won't be shipping yet, but it's pretty close.
Apart from that, it's 2 lines of items for the AK, not just one or two other products.
74 train is rolling, too, along with other variants and sizes.
It's going to be a big year that we're all very excited about. New Booth, very product centric (Had to with all the new stuff), and a ton of very cool items. The biggest challenge will be to make sure that some of them don't get lost in the noise since it's just a lot to take in.
Teaser videos likely next week.
For this SHOT show, it will just be the 7.62 M3 mags, and we're getting underway on 5.45 options and other capacities, but those will all be a bit. The development time for new calibers should be shorter now that we've got the MOE and M3 lessons learned from 7.62. We've had a lot of magazine projects in development, so it's hard to do everything we want all at once.
For this SHOT show, it will just be the 7.62 M3 mags, and we're getting underway on 5.45 options and other capacities, but those will all be a bit. The development time for new calibers should be shorter now that we've got the MOE and M3 lessons learned from 7.62. We've had a lot of magazine projects in development, so it's hard to do everything we want all at once.
When you say a lot of magazine projects, is this in reference to just AK platform or new updates to the AR platform magazines too?
For this SHOT show, it will just be the 7.62 M3 mags, and we're getting underway on 5.45 options and other capacities, but those will all be a bit. The development time for new calibers should be shorter now that we've got the MOE and M3 lessons learned from 7.62. We've had a lot of magazine projects in development, so it's hard to do everything we want all at once.
Just to be clear, are the AK M3 mags a "generation 2" reinforced AK mag?
Why not just go with the 7.62?
I don't need new mag pouches because I have a system for .223 already. Also other reasons include second kind of cool, barely cheaper ammo, etc
When you say a lot of magazine projects, is this in reference to just AK platform or new updates to the AR platform magazines too?
More everything, including other platforms. AR advancements and new products, of course. AK, as promised. Others we haven't talked about. Won't have to wait long. Teaser videos next week.
Just to be clear, are the AK M3 mags a "generation 2" reinforced AK mag?
The Gen M3 AK line has a solid steel rear tab and a thick, stamped front spine reinforcement/front trunnion engagement. Part of the delay is that we are seeing better performance in durability and reliability without steel feed lip reinforcement, which is actually the weak point of the reinforced com bloc mags in our baseline testing. We know the market expects the reinforced feed lips, but the com bloc ones are that way because the polymer they use requires it. If we get better results with polymer lips, that's how it will be.
The other two inserts make the Gen M3 AK pretty bomb proof and are pretty well set.
Are there any plans on making a magazine for Mini 14's?
Moose-Knuckle
01-08-15, 23:50
Duane, can't wait to see all the goodies next week. Hope you guys have a great SHOT Show and safe travels.
One question if I may, do y'all have an MSRP on the Gen M3 AK magazines?
Very good news to hear. I'm surprised about the feed lips, but trust your testing. I will be buying reinforced feed lips or not. Great job guys, I am looking forward to getting my hands on a couple dozen of these!
Can you comment if there are AK handguards in the works? ;) IMO, that would be a game changer for the platform.
Agreed. I'm quite happy with my K-Var handguards, but if I could get an M-LOK handguard that just drops in, I would, well... I might cry out of joy.
For real though, after seeing how they made the 870/590 furniture, I think Magpul could absolutely revolutionize AK furniture.
The SGA stock is a fantastic piece of design work; it can be adapted to fit anyone, it's tough, it has sling mounts that work with most shotgun sling setups... it's just well designed. Something similar for the AK that could give the LOP and cheek height adjustments without sacrificing durability would be huge, and M-LOK handguards would be as equally awesome, allowing use of light mounts, grips, etc. I don't know if that's in the works or not, but if anyone could elegantly solve the issues that were previously only solved by rails or AR stock adapters, I think Magpul is the company to do it.
Doc. Holiday
01-09-15, 08:52
I would second the furniture for the AK. I know my Dad would go buy an AK in a heartbeat if he could get a stock that would give him the proper length of pull for him. He's a tall guy and he hates how short the AK stock is.
Glad to hear that 5.45 is at least in discussion over there!!!
Agreed. I'm quite happy with my K-Var handguards, but if I could get an M-LOK handguard that just drops in, I would, well... I might cry out of joy.
For real though, after seeing how they made the 870/590 furniture, I think Magpul could absolutely revolutionize AK furniture.
The SGA stock is a fantastic piece of design work; it can be adapted to fit anyone, it's tough, it has sling mounts that work with most shotgun sling setups... it's just well designed. Something similar for the AK that could give the LOP and cheek height adjustments without sacrificing durability would be huge, and M-LOK handguards would be as equally awesome, allowing use of light mounts, grips, etc. I don't know if that's in the works or not, but if anyone could elegantly solve the issues that were previously only solved by rails or AR stock adapters, I think Magpul is the company to do it.
:cool:
Duane, can't wait to see all the goodies next week. Hope you guys have a great SHOT Show and safe travels.
One question if I may, do y'all have an MSRP on the Gen M3 AK magazines?
MSRP $26.95 For GEN M3 AK. Street price, of course, will be a bit lower.
I'm predicting (or hoping, perhaps a better choice of words), that you release a plastic AK handguard that covers both the front of the receiver, and the handguard retainer, so you don't burn your hand during enthusiastic firing schedules.
Moose-Knuckle
01-11-15, 02:56
MSRP $26.95 For GEN M3 AK. Street price, of course, will be a bit lower.
Thank you sir for the reply, even at MSRP you guys are going to give Arsenal ((10)) waffles some serious competition with these mags.
Thank you sir for the reply, even at MSRP you guys are going to give Arsenal ((10)) waffles some serious competition with these mags.
No joke. $45 a mag is lunacy.
I'll gladly pay Magpul that price.
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Metal lined AK Pmag debuts tonight
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