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Guy's, I do not know how long they will last but Shooters Pro Shop has 134 packs of 100 at their site. Limit 5 per customer.
http://shootersproshop.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_101_103&product_id=1231
The only thing that goes faster from the site is 30 cal bullets so you might want to jump on them.
polymorpheous
05-09-13, 22:59
Thanks for the heads up.
m1a_scoutguy
05-09-13, 23:38
Guy's, I do not know how long they will last but Shooters Pro Shop has 134 packs of 100 at their site. Limit 5 per customer.
http://shootersproshop.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_101_103&product_id=1231
The only thing that goes faster from the site is 30 cal bullets so you might want to jump on them.
Hey,,thats "MY" Secret place I NEVER tell anyone about,:nono:,,how did you find out about it !!! ;);) I was just on there earlier today checking stuff out,,great selection at the moment,,,,,,,,,,,,Shhhhhhhh !! :secret: LOL
Leonidas24
05-10-13, 02:33
I just picked up the latest edition of the Nosler handbook and was going over some of the loads they suggest. Has anyone found their load sweet spot they're willing to share?
the_accuser
05-10-13, 07:42
I just picked up the latest edition of the Nosler handbook and was going over some of the loads they suggest. Has anyone found their load sweet spot they're willing to share?
I've tried Varget, IMR 8208xbr and CFE223 with the 64gr BSB round and Nosler's Accuracy load of 26.0gr of CFE223 with a COAL of 2.175" definitely stood out from the other test loads. I ran the CFE load through my chronograph and got 2849 fps as a 10 shot average and that was using a 16" barrel. I am going to work on that load just a little more but overall I liked it. I do plan to try some H322 powder but it may not be until next month.
Jason
I've tried Varget, IMR 8208xbr and CFE223 with the 64gr BSB round and Nosler's Accuracy load of 26.0gr of CFE223 with a COAL of 2.175" definitely stood out from the other test loads. I ran the CFE load through my chronograph and got 2849 fps as a 10 shoot average and that was using a 16" barrel. I am going to work on that load just a little more but overall I liked it. I do plan to try some H322 powder but it may not be until next month.
Jason
I heve not shot an animal with these yet, but I have shot many animals with the Speer 70gr round nose at the speed you are getting. The speer bullet will break both shoulders of a deer and exit. So the bonded should do even better, I will find out this hunting season.
Nosler's Accuracy load of 26.0gr of CFE223 with a COAL of 2.175" definitely stood out from the other test loads.
I might try that load with this pile of SS109s we have. I'm almost out of W748, but have a pound and a half of CFE.
polymorpheous
05-10-13, 08:41
I'd like to find some of that CFE.
Seems it propels this projectile the closest to 5.56 pressure than the others listed.
I don't have a chrony, so I'm eager to see if anyone gets these flying at 2900fps or higher.
Interesting to note all of the data for this bullet , in the 7th edition Nosler, is from a 26" barrel. The speeds were not fantastic. Perhaps this bullet does not need Max speeds to perform.
At this point I would maybe suggest moderate speed chasing... remember half the bullet is closer in construction to a Barnes solid copper or the Trophy Bonded Bear Claws.
http://www.natchezss.com/images/products/SP1725.jpg Speer Trophy Bonded Bear Claw, 62 grain.
polymorpheous
05-11-13, 05:00
Winchester is able to get these going at 2935fps from their RA556B loading.
I'm curious to know the length of the test barrel that they used.
I'd like to find some of that CFE.
That CFE worked GOOD for ss109 bullets. 26.0 had them going nearly 3000 fps. Just about right. I don't like running overpressured 5.56 loads, but I like a hot .223 load.
polymorpheous
05-11-13, 09:08
That CFE worked GOOD for ss109 bullets. 26.0 had them going nearly 3000 fps. Just about right. I don't like running overpressured 5.56 loads, but I like a hot .223 load.
Understood.
You are trying not to stress you brass out too much.
But Winchester must be spitting them out at 2935 for a reason.
And Doc says that the RA556B load is one of the best.
I'm just looking to not spend $35 a box for them.:p
Understood.
You are trying not to stress you brass out too much.
That... and the reliability of such a hot load.
Shoot... I fired 5 rounds of Independence m193 yesterday and that crap was over 3300 fps.
I'll pull down and reload the rest of the box I bought. Way too hot.
polymorpheous
05-11-13, 09:59
That... and the reliability of such a hot load.
I'm not following.
5.56 pressure factory ammo runs fine in all my uppers. (BCM)
Are you talking about the primers igniting the powder charge?
I've tried Varget, IMR 8208xbr and CFE223 with the 64gr BSB round and Nosler's Accuracy load of 26.0gr of CFE223 with a COAL of 2.175" definitely stood out from the other test loads. I ran the CFE load through my chronograph and got 2849 fps as a 10 shot average and that was using a 16" barrel. I am going to work on that load just a little more but overall I liked it. I do plan to try some H322 powder but it may not be until next month.
Jason
I would be interested with your load data and chronograph results when you try out the H322 powder. I have some of the Nosler 64 gr bullets on order, but I am short on prepared brass at the moment so it might be a bit longer than a month before I am ready to start testing with the H322.
I'm not following.
5.56 pressure factory ammo runs fine in all my uppers. (BCM)
Are you talking about the primers igniting the powder charge?
Nah.. Ammo too hot like XM193 is on the outer edge of the smooth reliable cycle rate. And I've seen ammo that hot blow out primers and shut the gun down.
polymorpheous
05-11-13, 13:08
Nah.. Ammo too hot like XM193 is on the outer edge of the smooth reliable cycle rate. And I've seen ammo that hot blow out primers and shut the gun down.
Gotcha.
With hand loads I will not be able to crimp primer pockets.
Learning has occurred.:D
These bullets seem to be one of the better .224 options available.
The nosler catalog shows a minimum velocity of 1600fps
http://cdn.nosler.com/PDFs/NOSLER-2013+catalog-download.pdf
Winchester loads these in the RA556B
http://catalogs.winchester.com/2013/LE/
SSA loads these at 2820fps / 16" barrel.
http://www.ssarmory.com/556ammunition_SSA_PPT_Bonded.aspx
With a .231 BC, the Maximum Performance Range is just over 330 yards.
My initial load development data for these bullets from last Tuesday.
16" BCM CL midlength upper. Tula SRM primers for all loads. Crap FC brass. Bullets seated to cannelure.
N135- 23.9@2878fps(pushed out 3 primers, too hot) My starting load for the N135 was 23 grains and it pushed 2814fps. I did lose 2 primers at 23.6 as well but I initially suspected loose primer pockets as I remembered some loose pockets when seating primers. 23.6 went 2840fps. Swipes tell me loose pockets aren't the only issue.
AR-Comp- 23.4@2781fps(no sign of pressure; plan on loading up to 24 and see what happens)
XBR- 23@2756fps(no sign of pressure; plan on loading up to 23.6)
TAC- All groups were trash as far as group size were concerned and nothing special in the velocity
eternal24k
05-11-13, 20:38
I just picked up the latest edition of the Nosler handbook and was going over some of the loads they suggest. Has anyone found their load sweet spot they're willing to share?
could you share the data or snap a photo?
ordered more
500 on hand just have to get the time to reload a few.
i am going to wait til i find some cfe
Just got some of these. They look like the ideal self defense bullet. Going to try H335 and BLC2 first. Also just got the latest Nosler manual. I hope Nosler keeps these in the distribution pipeline as Barnes does with its TSX line. It was frustrating even before the shortage to find consistent supply of any bonded bullets.
polymorpheous
05-12-13, 16:58
Stock up while you can!
$23 a box is a great price.
eternal24k
05-13-13, 16:43
Stock up while you can!
$23 a box is a great price.
Link?
the_accuser
05-13-13, 17:12
Link?
There out right now but keep a watch out for them. They tend to go quick. Seems like they've been putting small quantities out weekly.
http://shootersproshop.com (http://shootersproshop.com/index.php?route=common/home)
Today was a good day! Took delivery of 500 64 gr bonded bullets and ordered 500 more, gives me a total of 1500.
Also my three 8lb jugs of AA-2520 powder shipped from Powder Valley today as well!
polymorpheous
05-17-13, 02:32
My order from last week hasn't shipped, nor has my card been charged.
What gives?
My order from last week hasn't shipped, nor has my card been charged.
What gives?
The ones just delivered came from a previous order at Shooters Pro Shop, I had placed a couple of weeks ago. I sent an email to them and was told they are running 12 to 14 days behind on shipping.
The powder valley order was a month ago and just shipped today.
polymorpheous
05-17-13, 05:14
Yeah, I just got the same email.
No worries.
Did Powder Valley sort out that credit card mess?
I've been hesitant on ordering from them because I read some customers were victim of credit card fraud.
Of course, this could also be errornet rumors.
I have never had problems with them (Powder Valley) and have ordered many jugs of powder over the years.
They have been first rate for me and have not gouged on prices when others have.
That is why they still get my business.
Winchester is able to get these going at 2935fps from their RA556B loading.
I'm curious to know the length of the test barrel that they used.
Just to add a data point. the RA556B load runs 2874 out of my BCM 16" barrel, and 2580 from a Sabre 10.5".....both at around 70 degrees F.
polymorpheous
05-17-13, 09:48
Just to add a data point. the RA556B load runs 2874 out of my BCM 16" barrel, and 2580 from a Sabre 10.5".....both at around 70 degrees F.
Thanks!
Winchester's test barrel turns out to be 20" 1/7 5.56NATO.
Here's some more data. I loaded and chronographed some loads using AA 2460. Temperature was also around 70 degrees. LC brass, CCI #41 primers. Barrel was a 16" DD.
24.5 grs
2721
2726
2704
2737
2715
Average 2720
25.0 grs
2743
2732
2760
2737
2743
Average 2743
25.5 grs
2818
2812
2812
2818
2807
Average 2813
I finally got a chance to load up a test load using the Nosler BSB 64gr bullet.
Nosler 64gr BSB, R-P once fired brass, CCI #41 primer, 25gr TAC OAL case mouth to cannalure. Medium Lee collet crimp into cannalure.
I only loaded five rounds to check for pressure signs. I was surprised by the results.
Min 2810
Max 2852
Avg 2831
SD 16
ES 42
No pressure signs on case - flat primer. One hole five shot group (about .2 c-c) at 25yds indoors from my Colt 6721 1:9 16" carbine off bags with scope.
As far as I am concerned this is good enough until I can check accuracy at 100yds and try some other rifles.
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polymorpheous
05-17-13, 22:48
Good looking out.
Any pressure signs at 2800+ with the #41 primers?
polymorpheous
05-17-13, 22:53
Thanks for the info DBR!
Based on other testing I have done with TAC and CCI #41 primers, I think I could safely load the Nosler BSB with 26gr of TAC and not exceed NATO pressure. I have loaded Nosler 60gr Partitions with 26gr of TAC with no issues. However given the lower expansion threshold of the BSB bullet I don't see the point of stressing everything that much.
Good looking out.
Any pressure signs at 2800+ with the #41 primers?
If this is directed toward me, no pressure signs on case and slightly flattened primers. They looked pretty much like the m885 cases I fired at the same time.
Accurate load data for a 65 gr bullet at 5.56 pressure levels lists 25.7 grs of 2460 as a max load. 25.5 with the 64 gr should be fine. I loaded up some more to test accuracy next time I go out.
Based on other testing I have done with TAC and CCI #41 primers, I think I could safely load the Nosler BSB with 26gr of TAC and not exceed NATO pressure. I have loaded Nosler 60gr Partitions with 26gr of TAC with no issues. However given the lower expansion threshold of the BSB bullet I don't see the point of stressing everything that much.
I popped primers at 26 gr of tac with the partition. It didn't seem "hot" in any other way. A crimped primer wouldn't pop so I figured I was right on the doorstep of NATO pressure but like you said, no point in stressing everything. I think what I load is 24 or 24.5 gr of tac or H335 now.
SHP has them again with a limit of 10 boxes now instead of 5. I have plenty by now for myself so hope you guys can jump on them.
Hank
polymorpheous
05-25-13, 09:03
I hope they keep rolling these out.
Perhaps MarkM can load some up with his magic H322/WSM combo.
thanks hamour for the link
right now i have 1000 and maybe this weekend i will work up about 200,new win brass and some tac or 2230
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