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armakraut
05-19-13, 08:06
This 1st model "short slide" CZ-75 was made in the late 70's. The first CZ-75 variants were made between 1975 and 1980. The highest serial number I've seen was in the 25k range. Most were sold to countries like Rhodesia and South Africa. Very few made their way into private hands in Europe and therefore even fewer made their way to the USA. CZ-75 production has since exceeded one million units. The CZ-75 was designed exclusively for export and along with the Beretta 92 was primarily responsible for creating demand for new high quality double column 9mm handgun designs. CZ-75's were not adopted by Czechoslovakia after the Velvet Revolution in 1989.

The other CZ photographed is another pre-b (pre-firing pin block) made in the early 90's. Production on what is commonly known as the "pre-b" series began in 1980. Sweden wanted to adopt the CZ-75 as their standard service pistol but required CZ to make certain modifications such as the lengthening of the slide rails and modifying other parts for durability. While the Swedish contract never materialized, there was still plenty of demand for the pistol elsewhere. As orders poured in the finish was gradually changed in 1981 from a deep polished blue to a glossy enamel finish that was prone to flaking and finally to the much more durable "baked on" heat cured paint method around 1988 that is still used to this day, probably the same recipe that the VZ-58 plant was using in Slovakia. Blued CZ-75's can be found in every year of its production, but get rather scarce after 1981.

Most CZ's in this country that were made in the 80's were brought back by US Servicemen in Germany. The later CZ photographed was imported by "BRNO USA", I think I've seen one other guy with a BRNO marked pre-b. Importers other than USGI duffel bags included Bauska, AAI and Magnum Research. Recently PW Arms brought in quite a few late model CZ's (among other pistols) from Israel in varying conditions (usually on the rougher end of the spectrum), with your choice of bad roll marks, or worse roll marks.

Some parts, like the Safety and Slide Stop were beefed up in later production CZ-75's. Other parts like the sights and hammer actually became thinner. The later pre-b's sport a painted on three dot sight setup. Slide stops and Hammers are two parts that are among the more common parts breakages on all pre-b's. And the scale doesn't lie, the early lightening cuts don't yield much in terms of weight loss.

Were the early models better than the later pre-b's? Yes, but in the same way an M1911 was a nicer gun than the M1911A1. The triggers are generally a little better, the fit and finish is better, but all pre-b's have almost the quality of trigger you'd find on a good revolver. Unfortunately starting with the CZ-75B, the quality of CZ firearms have by most reports decreased exponentially. Spring quality seems to be particularly lacking. Fortunately CZ's made in "czechoslovakia" are more abundant than ever.

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Pilot1
05-19-13, 08:22
They are both beautiful examples of older CZ-75's you have there! Very nice write up too.

I have had more contemporary CZ's since the late 90's. A 75B, and 75D PCR plus the excellent Kadet Kit .22 conversion. All CZ USA imports. I have not seen any quality issues, and other than changing out springs when round counts require it (like all my other pistols) they have been stellar, and still represent excellent quality, function, and value in my experience.

The newer SP-01, and 75 Shadow are on my short list to acquire.

armakraut
05-19-13, 09:07
I've had friends that have had varying degrees of luck with the newer guns. While I would always recommend a pre-b if someone was interested in a straight up 75 or 85, I think that some of compact models are very serviceable guns. For some it is not detriment to have the extra weight of a steel or aluminum frame. And even the most problematic CZ would require far less work than a 1911 to get back in working order.

Larry Vickers
05-20-13, 20:34
Congrats !!! The first model is a very cool gun and in my opinion the most desirable of all CZ pistols

Well done !!

deejai
05-21-13, 20:40
How common are the mags for the Pre B? Which of the new production mags fit?

TiroFijo
05-22-13, 08:09
I have a "transitional" (1994 - made in Czech Republic) CZ 75 that looks like the newer "B" models but has no FP block.

Those early CZ grips in the pictures are cool, but the quality of the plastic is horrible. The CZ 75 was very popular in south africa due to the excellent value for money and availability. I lived there in 1991-92 and lots of people had them.

The early, pre-B CZ are really well made guns, better fitted and nicer triggers. The quality took a dip for a while. It seems the newer CZs are improving too, the QC seems more consistant.

The CZ 75s I've seen around here used to break slide stop pins early, sometimes very early. The QC of the springs was also very variable, as well as the DA pull.

According to the official czech CZ IPSC team that came here (Paraguay) recently, they don't have problems with any part durability, slide stops or springs.

armakraut
05-22-13, 09:50
Thank you for the kind words Larry.

Regarding mags, generally speaking the pre-b frame style was switched to a squared off trigger guard and commander hammer in 1992 shortly after the compact model was introduced. Pre-b mags are not uncommon, but usually new production mags will typically not fit pre-b's made before the frame switch.

Between 1994 and 1995 the safeties and slide locks were progressively changed to the more modern compact style. The firing pin block of the compact (which had one since 1991) was finally introduced in 1995, creating the "B" series. The transitional models without firing pin blocks were produced from 1992 to 1995.

The breaking of slide stops and hammers has been a problem throughout CZ-75 production. Most people refrain from shooting their short rail CZ's because parts breakage is always a potential issue.

CZ did a reissue of the the short rail... with long rails. :blink:

Complete garbage.

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CZ did a "B" model for RSR a few years ago that they called the "retro", it had mostly A model features and was a much better effort. If they put similar effort into a short slide either blued or polycoat, I'd buy one just to have something I could shoot a little harder without worrying about it too much.

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deejai
05-22-13, 12:41
I wish that current CZ75 went back to the rounded trigger guards and spurred hammers.

If anybody is looking for the old waffle style grips, theres an outfit called vintage grips that makes good quality reproductions.

Bigun
07-11-13, 21:13
I would love to have that short rail. My first pistol was a CZ75 pre B bought at the Munich Rod and gun Club in 1988. It cost me a grand total of $275 I had it worked over by a Munich gunsmith and I won several El Presidente matches with it. Sadly shortly after getting out of the service my daughter had some health issues and I had to sell it to pay for some medical bills. The next one I bought was a B model purchased from Buds gun shop in 2004. The factory finish was much better than the glossy paint of my pre B but I was less than impressed with the trigger compared to the pre B. This year I have bought 3 CZ firearms a 17HMR military trainer "Tack Driver" a P01 great carry gun once worked over with CGW parts and another B model CZ75. After doing the trigger job on the P01 the 75 was a piece of cake. The QC is much better than the 2004 pistol and this 75 is much more accurate than the pre B.