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That is the bounty I'm putting on vintage nunchaku like these.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/SteyrAUG/Dolans1981_zps14b06d07.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/SteyrAUG/Dolans1983-2b_zpsb9715068.jpg
Keep in mind vintage "knock offs" exist but there are ways to tell. If you have something like this in your closet from 30+ years ago it's worth at least (2) Pmags. Nunchaku made with the more exotic woods such as rosewood or cocobolo are worth more.
I'm particularly interested in the 14" length models.
Also interested in vintage "speedchucks" sold by Asian World of Martial Arts.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/SteyrAUG/AWMA1978-12_zps1ac043ed.jpg
And I'd be interested in vintage tonfa, sai and three sectional staff weapons made by either company.
If you have any of this stuff, shoot me an email: Steyr808@yahoo.com
Whiskey_Bravo
05-28-13, 17:23
Hot damn, ball bearing nunchaku? Did they come with a grease nipple?
Damn, should have caught me a few years back. I had a pair of the cocobolo and maple as well as a set of sai complete with imitation imitation vinyl case. ... and I think they came from that very place.
Hot damn, ball bearing nunchaku? Did they come with a grease nipple?
You could oil them from the top of the cap, not that they ever needed it. I have some from 1979 that are still spinning like new. Think of ball bearing skateboard wheels from the late 70s, similar setup.
Are your caps pinned on with a roll pin or similar.
I tipped a wooden pallet up on it's side and wound up, swung that cocobolo set at the skid and cracked that sucker in half. It broke that skid but didn't hurt the sticks at all. It did however make the cap a little loose.
That pair was heavy. The maple ones were quite light, although I suppose you already know that.
I think I had a three section staff too. I couldn't figure that one so it was just nice to look at. Had a Bo staff that spent a lot of time getting looked at as well.
I used to really like the nunchucks though and as I recall I never hit myself.
Got a hole in my uniform one night where I almost stabbed myself with the sai.... they lived in their case a lot after that.
SW-Shooter
05-28-13, 18:37
http://glocktalk.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=46685&title=nunchaku&cat=7
Are your caps pinned on with a roll pin or similar.
I tipped a wooden pallet up on it's side and wound up, swung that cocobolo set at the skid and cracked that sucker in half. It broke that skid but didn't hurt the sticks at all. It did however make the cap a little loose.
That pair was heavy. The maple ones were quite light, although I suppose you already know that.
I think I had a three section staff too. I couldn't figure that one so it was just nice to look at. Had a Bo staff that spent a lot of time getting looked at as well.
I used to really like the nunchucks though and as I recall I never hit myself.
Got a hole in my uniform one night where I almost stabbed myself with the sai.... they lived in their case a lot after that.
The AWMA "speed chuck" nunchaku had pinned on caps, the U swivel models like the Dolans had a kingpin screw securing the swivel head.
I've been into this sort of thing a long time.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/SteyrAUG/K2_zpse971dbb8.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/SteyrAUG/K1_zpsee1aed17.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/SteyrAUG/000000002278_zps18ff3f25.jpg
http://glocktalk.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=46685&title=nunchaku&cat=7
Thanks for the effort but those are very late model rattan sticks with Chinese quality ball bearing swivels. Basically junk. Sadly there is lots of junk out there, that's all they've made for awhile now.
In the late 70s and early 80s, imports were made in Japan rather than China and the quality was much higher. Dolan's were actually made "in house" in the US and they made some of the best martial arts weapons on the market until they closed up shop around 1987.
SW-Shooter
05-28-13, 19:15
Have you looked here http://customworkshop.biz/osCommerce/catalog/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=79c9ceab5185f4923da653e017b073e4 ?
http://www.customworkshop.biz/history_uswivel.html
ETA: Just trying to help a brother out, I used to get in trouble with mine back in the late 70's - early 80's.
Ouch! that second picture looks painful. Yes, I'm sure mine came from AWMA... Black Belt magazine maybe? I guess this would have been back in '73 - '74 or so... It hasn't been all that many years since I got rid of them though. I think I gave it all to Goodwill
In your second rack there. In the very center. the ones with the grooves cut half way from end to center. That's what my cocobolo ones were like. I can't for the life of me remember if the maple ones were smooth or had those two grooves. I never had any of the edged ones.
It's funny I was thinking about that stuff just a few weeks ago. I used to have a nice leather Everlast double-end bag and want to set up another one.
Yeah, you've got quite a collection. My sai had that tan wrap with silver like that pair you have on the right. Probably the very same ones. Jeeze it seems like yesterday and that was three decades.
Have you looked here http://customworkshop.biz/osCommerce/catalog/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=79c9ceab5185f4923da653e017b073e4 ?
http://www.customworkshop.biz/history_uswivel.html
ETA: Just trying to help a brother out, I used to get in trouble with mine back in the late 70's - early 80's.
Yeah, I actually have a pair of woodalls.
I probably have something close to 50 nunchaku. I just happen to be a collector of vintage Dolan and AWMA nunchaku and I'm missing a few models and don't mind have double or triples of certain examples.
Ouch! that second picture looks painful. Yes, I'm sure mine came from AWMA... Black Belt magazine maybe? I guess this would have been back in '73 - '74 or so... It hasn't been all that many years since I got rid of them though. I think I gave it all to Goodwill
In your second rack there. In the very center. the ones with the grooves cut half way from end to center. That's what my cocobolo ones were like. I can't for the life of me remember if the maple ones were smooth or had those two grooves. I never had any of the edged ones.
It's funny I was thinking about that stuff just a few weeks ago. I used to have a nice leather Everlast double-end bag and want to set up another one.
Yeah, you've got quite a collection. My sai had that tan wrap with silver like that pair you have on the right. Probably the very same ones. Jeeze it seems like yesterday and that was three decades.
Actually if you had pinned cap ball bearing swivel AWMA models those didn't get introduced until December of 1978 (cocobolos ball bearing swivel seen in advertisement above).
Prior to that they were copying the Dolan's Universal swivel and didn't offer a cocobolo model until December of 1977.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/SteyrAUG/AWMA1977-12_zps493b52df.jpg
AWMA didn't even offer nunchaku until Jan of 1976 and here is their first advertisement.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/SteyrAUG/AWMA1976-1_zpsac468595.jpg
Dolan's entered the nunchaku market as early as May of 1975 and this is their first ad.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/SteyrAUG/Dolans1975-5_zps8ba0ae6d.jpg
They didn't start advertising their patented swivel chain model until Jan. 1976.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/SteyrAUG/Dolans1976-1_zps0cba182a.jpg
Their earliest nunchaku didn't have stick caps (which didn't get introduced until September 1976) and here is an example of what they looked like.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/SteyrAUG/000000002114_zps4d3fd431.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/SteyrAUG/000000002115_zpsc0d4cde2.jpg
Evidently it was later than I thought then. Mine were definitely the caped ball bearing style. Exactly like the color ad you posted first. I thought I got into that stuff before the late 70's but evidently not. I think it would have had to have been before '81 at the outside.
It's funny I can see the people in my life at the time, I can see the overlaps and when they would have appeared but I can't really tie it to anything any longer. Man, now I really feel old....
Evidently it was later than I thought then. Mine were definitely the caped ball bearing style. Exactly like the color ad you posted first. I thought I got into that stuff before the late 70's but evidently not. I think it would have had to have been before '81 at the outside.
It's funny I can see the people in my life at the time, I can see the overlaps and when they would have appeared but I can't really tie it to anything any longer. Man, now I really feel old....
Don't feel bad, I do it too. We're about the same age. The color ad was from Dec. 1978 and that was when AWMA first advertised the pinned cap ball bearing nunchaku so it could have been as early as 1979 when you got your pair.
Before I did the above research I was similarly positive that I had some things a few years before they even existed. Thankfully I kept my library of Black Belt and Inside Kung Fu magazines.
They served as a valuable reference for me later to more accurately recall what I studied and when. Thankfully I can still vividly associate certain issues with certain events, even if I thought they happened earlier.
ridgerunner70
05-29-13, 01:17
The AWMA "speed chuck" nunchaku had pinned on caps, the U swivel models like the Dolans had a kingpin screw securing the swivel head.
I've been into this sort of thing a long time.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/SteyrAUG/K2_zpse971dbb8.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/SteyrAUG/K1_zpsee1aed17.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/SteyrAUG/000000002278_zps18ff3f25.jpg
How old was you when you reached your black belt?
How old was you when you reached your black belt?
Got my first shodan grade at age 14 after 6 years of study in Okinawan Kobujutsu. A year later I got my shodan in Shotokan karate after 7 years of study.
"Come on, guys! It's all about ball bearings".
Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
Apparently Arizona hates nunchucks.
Now I'll never be a Ninja Turtle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiBSrocGagM
Don't feel bad, I do it too. We're about the same age. The color ad was from Dec. 1978 and that was when AWMA first advertised the pinned cap ball bearing nunchaku so it could have been as early as 1979 when you got your pair.
That would actually sound about right now that I recall. I had forgotten about a job I had that lasted about 4 or 5 years. Probably right around 1980 give or take a year.
Luke Skywalker haircut. I had one too! :cool:
"Come on, guys! It's all about ball bearings".
Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
Wonder how many will get that. Did you check the Fetzer valve?
:D
ridgerunner70
05-29-13, 13:58
Got my first shodan grade at age 14 after 6 years of study in Okinawan Kobujutsu. A year later I got my shodan in Shotokan karate after 7 years of study.
My son is very hyper and has problems focusing. He is on a med for that and it has helped him. He wanted to start studying martial arts at around 6 and I was very worried about it because I didn't want him to use it in the wrong way's. Finally at age 8 I gave in and the only class in our area that's close is TKD. Now he is going to be turning 11 this year and is going to be testing for his blue belt grade. Has placed 2nd in forms and 2nd in sparring in a regional tournament. He has went from being a c grade student to an A- student making honor roll his last couple of years. His focus and attention span has increased very good and we have cut his medicine in half. I believe the martial arts has taught him a high degree of this and my wife and I are really glad we made the decision we did. There was a kid in his class that was bulling everybody and I had to talk to the principal on 3 occasion's about this and other parent's did as well. My last trip to talk to the principal I informed her that she had a lot of chances to get this under control and the next time I will be visiting the school because either my son got his butt kicked or the bully got his. And let her know that my son will not get in trouble for it at home. She didn't like to hear that,but it is what it is. I then talked to his instructor about this because I didn't want my son to get in trouble with his instructor and bring bad thing's to the martial arts school as well. The bully was picking on my son and some other classmate on the playground and my son basically gave him the chance to chill and in the end cleaned his clock for him. My son came home and told me the story and how the other kid's wouldn't rat him out. After a few week's my son went up to the bully (on his own) and asked him if he wanted to play catch. Now they are friend's and the now not a bully kid is doing good with the other classmates as well. Sorry for long story, I'm just a little proud of what martial arts has done so far with my son. He now want's to start learning Nuchucks. Do you have any recommendation's on what size, foam or wood, and something of good reference for him to start learning? Your posts are always interesting and had my son read this post and showed him the pictures. He want's to start a wall collection and he wants me to build him a display for his belts. Again sorry for this long winded post.
Don't get heavy ones. I don't know if foam ones would lead to possibly sloppy work because they might not hurt. I never had any. But correct length for your arms is important. You definitely don't want to hit yourself in the face.
It may not be immediately obvious but if you twirl them outside your arm, they could be quite long and they still can't hit you. If you twirl them inside your arm ( chest area ) and even if your arm is fully extended, if they are too long, it's simply going to crack you in the head or chin. Likewise if you have them short enough and bend your elbow inward too much as you twirl them it's the same result.
Maybe invest in a LaCross helmet to start with just to be sure. :D
I don't ever remember hitting myself but I learned that length vs elbow bending right quick because you have a natural feeling as you go faster to start bending your arm in a bit. Or perhaps you loose track of the plane of travel but either way. Bad idea. I'm sure AUG can explain the fine points, I never had anyone teach me so all I ever did was very basic.
Here's another way to do it.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fLVXp-zMvRQ#t=50s
You can imagine if this girl leaned her head forward on some of these moves or if the sticks and chains were too long for her arms. They get to going pretty fast even with beginners ( not that she is a beginner ).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j45hTIEE9tg
He now want's to start learning Nuchucks. Do you have any recommendation's on what size, foam or wood, and something of good reference for him to start learning? Your posts are always interesting and had my son read this post and showed him the pictures. He want's to start a wall collection and he wants me to build him a display for his belts. Again sorry for this long winded post.
Just as you have seen how important a "good teacher" is for positive results, it is even more critical when it comes to things like weapons instruction.
Keep in mind most commercial schools are simply going to teach them how to spin weapons around and nothing more.
If you want genuine instruction in weapons like nunchaku, sai, bo, tonfa, etc. you are going to need to find a school that teaches Okinawan martial arts such as Shorin Ryu, Goju Ryu or Isshin Ryu. Some systems of Japanese martial arts like Shito Ryu, Japanese Goju and Shorin Ryu also incorporate traditional weapons instruction.
I pretty much started with the real thing from day one. The only times I really hurt myself was when I tried to skip ahead and learn advanced weapons or techniques on my own simply by observing the higher ranks do them. The benefit of a teacher is they know how to show you things without much opportunity for self injury.
This is the move I was trying to describe. You screw this one up and your doctors are going to love you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hb40xCQ9V0o#t=257s
This is the move I was trying to describe. You screw this one up and your doctors are going to love you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hb40xCQ9V0o#t=257s
You should try it with a three sectional.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YljXlqAet3I
You should try it with a three sectional.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YljXlqAet3I
Yeah, I never had any problem realizing some things were simply best left to others. I was watching some YT videos and there are a couple of guys that look like they actually have some good sound instruction. Then I noticed there must also be some artistic twirlers these days. Like nunchukas on fire performances.
Mostly all I ever learned were basic figure 8 and pass over and under shoulder. I probably spent more time trying to learn how to swing a strike as fast as possible and then stop it's momentum.
This has sort of renewed my interest. I might have to pick up a basic pair. For what ever reason I just naturally gravitated to them, unlike a lot of other things. I used to love to watch those guys use escrima sticks, but back then it was rare for me to be able to see it much less learn it. I still don't see how those guys get to rolling with those things and somebody not get hurt every time.
What is your favorite old school weapon?
Yeah, I never had any problem realizing some things were simply best left to others. I was watching some YT videos and there are a couple of guys that look like they actually have some good sound instruction. Then I noticed there must also be some artistic twirlers these days. Like nunchukas on fire performances.
Mostly all I ever learned were basic figure 8 and pass over and under shoulder. I probably spent more time trying to learn how to swing a strike as fast as possible and then stop it's momentum.
This has sort of renewed my interest. I might have to pick up a basic pair. For what ever reason I just naturally gravitated to them, unlike a lot of other things. I used to love to watch those guys use escrima sticks, but back then it was rare for me to be able to see it much less learn it. I still don't see how those guys get to rolling with those things and somebody not get hurt every time.
What is your favorite old school weapon?
Sai, I was into any and all kobujutsu weapons, classical weapons associated with Chinese boxing and the Japanese arsenal and while I devoted a lot of time to Iaijutsu and Kenjutsu systems there is still something about the sai that always held a strong appeal for me.
PdxMotoxer
05-31-13, 16:31
Wow you have quite the collection.
I only have these two off hand (sorry not for sale/trade)
These VERY HEAVY black ones were my "work-out" set.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/PdxMotoXer/th_100_1721_zps3cf2d387.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/PdxMotoXer/media/100_1721_zps3cf2d387.jpg.html)
**click to make full sized to save space**
I loved the feel on these hex ones
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/PdxMotoXer/th_100_1719_zpsb50da029.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/PdxMotoXer/media/100_1719_zpsb50da029.jpg.html)
Much lighter and i could go way faster.
BOTH these are early 80's (my guess 82-83?)
and both Dolands sports as there really was nowhere in Oregon
back then to get these.
But i also had 2 pairs of "Speed Chucks" with the ball bearings
and a very nice set of sai's that were taken/confiscated from me
by a city police officer who harassed me while i was wait for city bus
i took everyday after school to American States Karate
then had to transfer 3 bus's just to get home.
(my mom worked swing shift)
But i had long "80's hairband" hair and a city cop pulled over
while i was waiting for a bus and sad there were lots of break-in's
in the area and took my duffel bag from my hand and proceed to dump it on the ground.
He seen my gi, fist and ankle pads but when he seen my "speed chucks" in a hard case and sai's also in a hard case he wet nuts.
threw me to ground, cuffed me, acted like he was going to arrest me at 13-14 years old but oddly never called my mom.
AFTER he mad me miss my bus he decided to let me go but kept and confiscated my "illegal deadly weapons" :confused:
i was 13-14 we didnt have cell phones and he scared the bejeasus out of me.
i felt lucky to be be alive. (it was years later i got pi**** upset about it)
I had MANY pairs over the years and didt like the rope ones (they pinched the side of my palms.. i had a move i twirled across chain
then grabbed other handle and same went for ANY longer than 5 links)
AFTER seeing your great collection I dont feel bad telling you these are not for sale
but mostly for sentimental reasons.
I've seen your 3-sectional video's and also very impressive I just never traned or got any good with those.
I did get knocked the F*** out with one and sadly i did it to myself. :lol:
Wow you have quite the collection.
I only have these two off hand (sorry not for sale/trade)
These VERY HEAVY black ones were my "work-out" set.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/PdxMotoXer/th_100_1721_zps3cf2d387.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/PdxMotoXer/media/100_1721_zps3cf2d387.jpg.html)
**click to make full sized to save space**
I loved the feel on these hex ones
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/PdxMotoXer/th_100_1719_zpsb50da029.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/PdxMotoXer/media/100_1719_zpsb50da029.jpg.html)
Much lighter and i could go way faster.
BOTH these are early 80's (my guess 82-83?)
and both Dolands sports as there really was nowhere in Oregon
back then to get these.
Nice Dolan's. By the way they are octagon, not hexagon.
You have a pair of 12" Octagon Natural Rock Maples (105s) and a pair of 14" Round Black Rock Maples (120s). The 14" Round pair are somewhat rare.
But i also had 2 pairs of "Speed Chucks" with the ball bearings
and a very nice set of sai's that were taken/confiscated from me
by a city police officer who harassed me while i was wait for city bus
i took everyday after school to American States Karate
then had to transfer 3 bus's just to get home.
(my mom worked swing shift)
But i had long "80's hairband" hair and a city cop pulled over
while i was waiting for a bus and sad there were lots of break-in's
in the area and took my duffel bag from my hand and proceed to dump it on the ground.
He seen my gi, fist and ankle pads but when he seen my "speed chucks" in a hard case and sai's also in a hard case he wet nuts.
threw me to ground, cuffed me, acted like he was going to arrest me at 13-14 years old but oddly never called my mom.
AFTER he mad me miss my bus he decided to let me go but kept and confiscated my "illegal deadly weapons" :confused:
i was 13-14 we didnt have cell phones and he scared the bejeasus out of me.
i felt lucky to be be alive. (it was years later i got pi**** upset about it)
I had MANY pairs over the years and didt like the rope ones (they pinched the side of my palms.. i had a move i twirled across chain
then grabbed other handle and same went for ANY longer than 5 links)
AFTER seeing your great collection I dont feel bad telling you these are not for sale
but mostly for sentimental reasons.
I've seen your 3-sectional video's and also very impressive I just never traned or got any good with those.
I did get knocked the F*** out with one and sadly i did it to myself. :lol:
I completely understand the nostalgia, I'd never part with the ones I've had for 30+ years either. Shame you got some of your stuff taken by the cops.
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