View Full Version : Alan West Nails It.
30 minutes, but it's time well spent.
http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=517&load=8468
THANK YOU for this. THIS man would make a Great President. I'd give money to his campaign and I'd love to have seen him debate President Obama.
That's just what we need.
Another president who writes his own rule book.
Uh, "writes his own rule book"? How did you get that from the speech?
Anyway, thanks for sharing, Dienekes. Solid speech.
THANK YOU for this. THIS man would make a Great President. I'd give money to his campaign and I'd love to have seen him debate President Obama.
He has skeletons in the closet that will keep him out of national office. Now before you do a google search, a skeleton is not public knowledge. We all love what he says and how he says it, but don't hitch your hopes on his wagon. And no, I will not reveal what I know.
Something other than Iraq I guess?
It's hard anybody to get to that age without having SOME skeletons in the closet; Hell, I sure wouldn't want all MY transgressions laid out in public. But it figures. You'd think though, all that would have come out in the last election that he lost...
I was looking at the timing...He went to UT got commissioned in 83; I got commissioned in 83...Odds are that means we both went to ROTC Advanced Camp Fort Riley same year 1982...
VooDoo6Actual
06-02-13, 09:11
Ironic, hard to imagine anybody having more skeletons in a closet than Obama.
Alpha Sierra
06-02-13, 09:15
He has skeletons in the closet that will keep him out of national office. Now before you do a google search, a skeleton is not public knowledge. We all love what he says and how he says it, but don't hitch your hopes on his wagon. And no, I will not reveal what I know.
For as much disdain as I have towards Europeans in all matters political, I will give them one thing they do very well. The majority of them realize that politicians are humans just like everyone and have the same failings as everyone else. Consequently they rightly dismiss many "skeletons" that their politicians have and seriously wonder about WTF is wrong with our search for only saints to serve in public office.
I personally could not care less about Allen West's private life. If he wants to lead using the Constitution as a strict template, he's got my vote.
For as much disdain as I have towards Europeans in all matters political, I will give them one thing they do very well. The majority of them realize that politicians are humans just like everyone and have the same failings as everyone else. Consequently they rightly dismiss many "skeletons" that their politicians have and seriously wonder about WTF is wrong with our search for only saints to serve in public office.
I personally could not care less about Allen West's private life. If he wants to lead using the Constitution as a strict template, he's got my vote.
I agree, but a conservative candidate needs the Christian vote. I would love to have a popular (small L) libertarian to vote for but it's not going to happen any time soon.
Something other than Iraq I guess?
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Yes, not Iraq. I believe the Dem party knows and is saving the info if he runs for higher office. I personally tried to warn the Repub party, without giving any info, I just wanted to have a simple phone conversation with the party president, so they could better vet him for higher office; but I was ignored. He's very popular I just want to avoid an October surprise.
Alpha Sierra
06-02-13, 10:02
but a conservative candidate needs the Christian vote.
The first thing the Republican party needs to do is drop all the morality police bullshit off their platform. Doing so drives the religious fundamentalists into political irrelevance. Then it needs to embrace libertarianism and strict constitutional principles into its platform. Doing so will replace the lost bible beater votes with those of true liberty lovers and those who would vote conservative were it not for the moralizing that comes out of the GOP today.
It will be painful but it needs to be done to win. Otherwise, prepare to lose at every turn to the socialists.
The first thing the Republican party needs to do is drop all the morality police bullshit off their platform. Doing so drives the religious fundamentalists into political irrelevance. Then it needs to embrace libertarianism and strict constitutional principles into its platform. Doing so will replace the lost bible beater votes with those of true liberty lovers and those who would vote conservative were it not for the moralizing that comes out of the GOP today.
It will be painful but it needs to be done to win. Otherwise, prepare to lose at every turn to the socialists.
x2. It's not like any true conservative christian is going to go out and vote for any pro-choice dem as a result.
The first thing the Republican party needs to do is drop all the morality police bullshit off their platform. Doing so drives the religious fundamentalists into political irrelevance. Then it needs to embrace libertarianism and strict constitutional principles into its platform. Doing so will replace the lost bible beater votes with those of true liberty lovers and those who would vote conservative were it not for the moralizing that comes out of the GOP today.
It will be painful but it needs to be done to win. Otherwise, prepare to lose at every turn to the socialists.
No it wont and then the GOP is just Dem Lite.
Alpha Sierra
06-02-13, 12:21
No it wont and then the GOP is just Dem Lite.
Did you read and understand what I wrote? You call strict constitutionalism and libertarian principles "democrat light"?
Keep trying to be the party that wants to legislate morality and keep losing.
Grand58742
06-02-13, 17:34
Ironic, hard to imagine anybody having more skeletons in a closet than Obama.
Sad thing is? A lot of those skeletons came about since he's been in office. Sure he had more than a few beforehand, but what he's done since he was in office?
Problem is getting them to stick. You push it as an agenda and you're a racist and get ignored by most media outlets calling you a right wing hack with conspiracy theories. Don't push them and he gets away with it and further drags out nation down into the abyss.
It's a lose-lose situation unfortunately.
High Tower
06-02-13, 20:14
Did you read and understand what I wrote? You call strict constitutionalism and libertarian principles "democrat light"?
Keep trying to be the party that wants to legislate morality and keep losing.
The issue is that Christians are concerned about legislating immorality. Few Christians want morality legislated. But with the constant attacks on us by the media and liberals, it is made to appear so.
The fact of the matter is that if the moral stand is dropped by the RNC, which it already mostly has, many Christains will just stop voting or vote for obscure parties. Which will also guarantee RNC losses. The RNC needs to Christian vote to win. The left realizes this and is using this to drive party apart. The RNC also realizes this and hates us for it.
And before anyone has diarrhea of the keyboard about this post, I am not trying to start a bitter argument. This is how many Christians view the current political state of affairs.
Alpha Sierra
06-02-13, 20:49
The issue is that Christians are concerned about legislating immorality. Few Christians want morality legislated.
Six of one, half-dozen of the other
The RNC needs to Christian vote to win.
I'd be willing to put that to the test. And bet against it.
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-02-13, 20:59
Too bad Christianity doesn't have anything about forgiveness in it.
;)
Originally Posted by High Tower
The issue is that Christians are concerned about legislating immorality. Few Christians want morality legislated.
Six of one, half-dozen of the other
Uhm, no, they're actually the inverse of one another.
There's a middle ground where government does not get involved in pushing morality one way or the other. That's the place where most people, Christian, atheist, or otherwise, would like it to be.
One extreme is legislating immorality, which is something the present administration is quite fond of. The other extreme is legislating a certain code of morality, which is something few Christians or anyone else, short of Muslims, advocates. (Islam contains fundamental doctrine advocating the combination of government and religion in the form of Sharia.)
Yes, not Iraq. I believe the Dem party knows and is saving the info if he runs for higher office. I personally tried to warn the Repub party, without giving any info, I just wanted to have a simple phone conversation with the party president, so they could better vet him for higher office; but I was ignored. He's very popular I just want to avoid an October surprise.
If thes is true, then the man needs to take a page from the Herman Cain play book and get a job on talk radio or with FNC. That seems to be the career path for every Republican great black hope that has problems keeping their pepperoni in their pants or on their pizza. He is articulate, good looking, and quick on his feet which means that he'd making a killing in talk radio. Plus, nobody cares if the voice on their radio had a problem being addicted to poontang or even Oxy.
Uhm, no, they're actually the inverse of one another.
There's a middle ground where government does not get involved in pushing morality one way or the other. That's the place where most people, Christian, atheist, or otherwise, would like it to be.
One extreme is legislating immorality, which is something the present administration is quite fond of. The other extreme is legislating a certain code of morality, which is something few Christians or anyone else, short of Muslims, advocates. (Islam contains fundamental doctrine advocating the combination of government and religion in the form of Sharia.)
I don't think you quite understand what the "Moral Majority" has done to the GOP. The organization itself may be long gone, but the beliefs are still there. You might not want to legislate morality per se, but you do not speak for some of the more radical elements of the Christian right.
Separation of church and state is a good thing.
If thes is true, then the man needs to take a page from the Herman Cain play book and get a job on talk radio or with FNC. That seems to be the career path for every Republican great black hope that has problems keeping their pepperoni in their pants or on their pizza. He is articulate, good looking, and quick on his feet which means that he'd making a killing in talk radio. Plus, nobody cares if the voice on their radio had a problem being addicted to poontang or even Oxy.
I agree.
I don't think you quite understand what the "Moral Majority" has done to the GOP. The organization itself may be long gone, but the beliefs are still there. You might not want to legislate morality per se, but you do not speak for some of the more radical elements of the Christian right.
Separation of church and state is a good thing.
Nothing radical about them, quite normal everyday Christians vote on moral issues first, just like many Dems vote on their own "religious" issues first (abortion, MMGW, women rights).
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