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So, my newly acquired M&P9 Shield has a manual/external safety on it. Does that mean it doesn't have the normal internal safeties like the other M&P line of pistols or is the manual safety just added on to the gun on top of the other internal safeties?
Thanks!
So, my newly acquired M&P9 Shield has a manual/external safety on it. Does that mean it doesn't have the normal internal safeties like the other M&P line of pistols or is the manual safety just added on to the gun on top of the other internal safeties?
Thanks!
It has all the normal safeties. You can also remove the external safety and in the future, there will be a frame plug for the hole.
C4
It has all the normal safeties. You can also remove the external safety and in the future, there will be a frame plug for the hole.
C4
Ok good to know. Any negative effects if I just keep the safety off as long as my finger is off the trigger unless I want it to be?
I have had mine over a year - I never use the external safety. You will be find.
There is a firing pin safety inside to prevent it from going off if dropped as well
I carry safety off however I do use the safety when holstering IWB. I flip it off once holstered. It flat design and positive activation are perfect for my needs as I don't worry bout it inadvertently flipping on while carrying.
Ok good to know. Any negative effects if I just keep the safety off as long as my finger is off the trigger unless I want it to be?
None.
C4
Dos Cylindros
06-06-13, 13:22
It has all the normal safeties. You can also remove the external safety and in the future, there will be a frame plug for the hole.
C4
Grant, this is great news! I just picked up a .40 shield and while the safety does not get in my way, I would just prefer it not be there. Any E.T.A. on the frame plug?
Grant, this is great news! I just picked up a .40 shield and while the safety does not get in my way, I would just prefer it not be there. Any E.T.A. on the frame plug?
No ETA at this time. I just know that S&W is working on it for LE Shields.
C4
Is there information somewhere on how to properly remove the safety on the Shield?
Thanks for any info.
Is there information somewhere on how to properly remove the safety on the Shield?
Thanks for any info.
Just push out the rear pin, lift out the SHB and pull off the safety.
C4
Dos Cylindros
06-06-13, 17:24
Just push out the rear pin, lift out the SHB and pull off the safety.
C4
Grant,
Thank you very much for the information. You have been a great resource for me for M&P info.
Grant,
Thank you very much for the information. You have been a great resource for me for M&P info.
You are welcome.
C4
Just push out the rear pin, lift out the SHB and pull off the safety.
C4
So I watched the only YouTube video about taking the safety off, and have another question. If you do just take the whole safety off, is there no chance for the pin that holds in the sear and the ejector to work itself out?
http://youtu.be/vnxzgGb-6aA
ETA: The video I linked is really unnecessarily long. He has to explain everything.
So I watched the only YouTube video about taking the safety off, and have another question. If you do just take the whole safety off, is there no chance for the pin that holds in the sear and the ejector to work itself out?
http://youtu.be/vnxzgGb-6aA
ETA: The video I linked is really unnecessarily long. He has to explain everything.
No as the safety does not retain that pin.
C4
So I watched the only YouTube video about taking the safety off, and have another question. If you do just take the whole safety off, is there no chance for the pin that holds in the sear and the ejector to work itself out?
http://youtu.be/vnxzgGb-6aA
ETA: The video I linked is really unnecessarily long. He has to explain everything.
No as the safety does not retain that pin.
C4
OK, good to know. Thanks for the info.
No as the safety does not retain that pin.
C4
In a regular M&P, this is correct, but in the Shield the safety does hold a pin underneath it. I would not remove the safety lever entirely, the pin will then be free to move. I was only in the guts of my Shield once, but it was readily apparent removal of the safety lever itself was not a good idea.
I pulled mine and just made a small kydex frame plug.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l106/jonhagan490/guns/2CAD8C3C-EF8E-457D-8A4D-E78ABC82C814-7479-000006219C4F0AEF.jpg
The rear sear pin can walk out a touch without the safety to block it so I just put a drop of loctite on the end of the pin to hold it in place. Has been perfect for a year of EDC now.
In a regular M&P, this is correct, but in the Shield the safety does hold a pin underneath it. I would not remove the safety lever entirely, the pin will then be free to move. I was only in the guts of my Shield once, but it was readily apparent removal of the safety lever itself was not a good idea.
Incorrect. I am a certified armorer for the M&P,
so trust me when I say that the safety does NOT retain the pin.
C4
I pulled mine and just made a small kydex frame plug.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l106/jonhagan490/guns/2CAD8C3C-EF8E-457D-8A4D-E78ABC82C814-7479-000006219C4F0AEF.jpg
The rear sear pin can walk out a touch without the safety to block it so I just put a drop of loctite on the end of the pin to hold it in place. Has been perfect for a year of EDC now.
Nice plug
Incorrect. I am a certified armorer for the M&P,
so trust me when I say that the safety does NOT retain the pin.
C4
We'll just agree to disagree then. I'm not an armorer, just an end user. I'm not motivated enough to take my gun apart again and take photos to show the pin movement issue safety lever removal introduces. Will the pin fall completely out? No. I'd just say the M&P is relatively easy to disassemble yourself with instructions readily available on the internet, and anyone contemplating safety removal should do the disassemble themselves and examine closely how the parts work and interconnect, making their own self-educated call. I've seen the "plug" shown above before on another gun forum (S&W or M&P), and it corrects the issue. I don't like the safety myself, but it was clear complete removal was not an good option, and internal modification to disable was not an option (at least not until spare/replacement parts become readily available), and the plug was not an option (not for sale and I don't have the skill to make my own). So, every time I pick up and put on the M&P Shield, I check to make sure the safety is off. If Glock would just make a comparable small single stack thin 9mm gun, I'd be completely happy. Those small fractions of inches in dimensions make a huge difference in feel.
See 07:18 on here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRsxcPfZ8mE
We'll just agree to disagree then. I'm not an armorer, just an end user. I'm not motivated enough to take my gun apart again and take photos to show the pin movement issue safety lever removal introduces. Will the pin fall completely out? No. I'd just say the M&P is relatively easy to disassemble yourself with instructions readily available on the internet, and anyone contemplating safety removal should do the disassemble themselves and examine closely how the parts work and interconnect, making their own self-educated call. I've seen the "plug" shown above before on another gun forum (S&W or M&P), and it corrects the issue. I don't like the safety myself, but it was clear complete removal was not an good option, and internal modification to disable was not an option (at least not until spare/replacement parts become readily available), and the plug was not an option (not for sale and I don't have the skill to make my own). So, every time I pick up and put on the M&P Shield, I check to make sure the safety is off. If Glock would just make a comparable small single stack thin 9mm gun, I'd be completely happy. Those small fractions of inches in dimensions make a huge difference in feel.
See 07:18 on here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRsxcPfZ8mE
There is nothing to disagree about. When S&W introduces the LE SKU'd SHIELD, it will have the safety removed and a plug installed in the frame. That's it! No extra parts to retain the coil pin.
I am an end user, armorer and consultant to S&W. Trust me when I say that your pin will NOT fall out or cause ANY issues.
C4
Is there any update on the release of LE Shields (W/O safety)?
Thanks.
I'm interested in a plug for my Shield's too.
Is there any update on the release of LE Shields (W/O safety)?
Thanks.
Not claiming to have any inside knowledge...However, I just asked Grant this same question a couple of days ago and he advised there is no update or ETA on the LE Shields. I also have asked another well known S&W LE dealer and received the same response.
Thanks for the update. I am sure Grant will let everyone know when they become available.
Check this out. Old floppy disk and a dremel tool
http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy16/Upstar2009/oldfloppydisk_zpsbdde933f.jpg (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/Upstar2009/media/oldfloppydisk_zpsbdde933f.jpg.html)
FeltaDorce
03-22-14, 13:14
Hahaha. That's the best use of an old floppy disk ever. It also adds 1.44MB of file storage to your shield. Did you use anything to secure this plug in place?
Hahaha. That's the best use of an old floppy disk ever. It also adds 1.44MB of file storage to your shield. Did you use anything to secure this plug in place?
I boosted the pic from:
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=5&f=16&t=143425
kantstudien
04-04-14, 12:11
Any more info on the no-safety Shields?
Any more info on the no-safety Shields?
I can tell you that the LEO Shield I just received has a safety.
Check this out. Old floppy disk and a dremel tool
http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy16/Upstar2009/oldfloppydisk_zpsbdde933f.jpg (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/Upstar2009/media/oldfloppydisk_zpsbdde933f.jpg.html)
I would totally buy one of those! Looks great.
Wish I had a 3D printer to crank some of these things out
I would totally buy one of those! Looks great.
It does look good, but there is a major problem! I wish I could see the inside of this shield to determine if he removed the entire safety or if he cut it down. The security of the sear pin requires that safety to be in place. That pin will walk if the safety hardware isn't in place, so you'll need to consider more than just removing the safety and covering the hole.
foward to 8:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRsxcPfZ8mE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
This has already been addressed in this thread. The pin isn't retained by the safety lever. The guy in the YouTube video is falsely speculating that it is. He's wrong. See Grant's previous responses.
This has already been addressed in this thread. The pin isn't retained by the safety lever. The guy in the YouTube video is falsely speculating that it is. He's wrong. See Grant's previous responses.
I think you are correct. I just took a good second look:cool:
There WILL be a LE Shield without safety - but current LE Shield's are shipping with the safety.
Much ado about nothing -- I run mine as a BUG in a RCS Shield Vanguard I holster it with the safety on, then swipe it off.
There WILL be a LE Shield without safety - but current LE Shield's are shipping with the safety.
Much ado about nothing -- I run mine as a BUG in a RCS Shield Vanguard I holster it with the safety on, then swipe it off.
Any pics? Been waiting for a RCS VG holster for the Shield. Customer order? Thanks.
I don’t think S&W wants to recreate the lower mold for the sake of a safety, but that's my opinion. If the "LE model" hits the floor with a delete plug I wouldn't be surprised.
Any pics? Been waiting for a RCS VG holster for the Shield. Customer order? Thanks.
Michael gave me one several months ago. I have not been to allowed to post pics yet.
I don’t think S&W wants to recreate the lower mold for the sake of a safety, but that's my opinion. If the "LE model" hits the floor with a delete plug I wouldn't be surprised.
There will just be a frame plug in it (like current M&P's without the TS).
C4
There will just be a frame plug in it (like current M&P's without the TS).
C4:) sweeeet! I'm sure you'll have them listed on your site. Might be worth looking into. thanks
There will just be a frame plug in it (like current M&P's without the TS).
C4
What's the latest on the shield plugs? The propaganda machine is warming up over here;)
http://mp-pistol.com/mp-shield-pistols/40019-new-shield-w-o-thumb-safety-coming.html#post397885
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/379268-official-shield-without-safety.html
Someone mentioned that they pre-order one through G&R and its due in by the next 2 weeks. Is this true?
crosseyedshooter
06-04-14, 15:02
I'm also following this closely. I shoot lefty and would not want the lever on the left side. Is there any confirmation that this will be an insert plug or will it be a smooth-sided frame? I have an opportunity to purchase a Shield and can't decide if I should jump on it or wait.
I'm also following this closely. I shoot lefty and would not want the lever on the left side. Is there any confirmation that this will be an insert plug or will it be a smooth-sided frame? I have an opportunity to purchase a Shield and can't decide if I should jump on it or wait.
No plug. Totally new frame.
C4
No plug. Totally new frame.
C4
Officially on the site! I'm suprised they went this route
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_780153_-1_757781_757781_image
http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy16/Upstar2009/Untitled_zpsa79e7b2b.png (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/Upstar2009/media/Untitled_zpsa79e7b2b.png.html)
Do the pros that use this gun really even care that it's there? Besides just the obvious, "hey i wish that wasn't there.", it's very unobtrusive with a positive lock.
I've shot it some but I don't own one. I'm not a pro. (obviously) It's good S&W listened to what people wanted.
Do the pros that use this gun really even care that it's there? Besides just the obvious, "hey i wish that wasn't there.", it's very unobtrusive with a positive lock.
I've shot it some but I don't own one. I'm not a pro. (obviously) It's good S&W listened to what people wanted.
I couldn't care less what the pro's think. There are a subset of people who believe that "if you don't want it on, just turn it off and forget about it", and I feel they are making a potentially fatal error. If you don't train to disengage that safety every time you draw, if you are falsely believing that the safety can't possibly engage itself. This can very easily lead to that "oh shit" moment where you draw and attempt to fire but cannot because the safety is engaged, then you vapor lock because it was an eventuality you never prepared for because you felt it was impossible.
TL : DR - *FOR ME* it's not just a "hey I wish it wasn't there", it's a "hey it's an eventuality I don't want to face".
Myself, and many others, chose simply to ignore this gun until the a safety free version came out.
I couldn't care less what the pro's think. There are a subset of people who believe that "if you don't want it on, just turn it off and forget about it", and I feel they are making a potentially fatal error. If you don't train to disengage that safety every time you draw, if you are falsely believing that the safety can't possibly engage itself. This can very easily lead to that "oh shit" moment where you draw and attempt to fire but cannot because the safety is engaged, then you vapor lock because it was an eventuality you never prepared for because you felt it was impossible.
TL : DR - *FOR ME* it's not just a "hey I wish it wasn't there", it's a "hey it's an eventuality I don't want to face".
Myself, and many others, chose simply to ignore this gun until the a safety free version came out.
I have two 9mm Shields and I wish they didn't have the safety.
PatrioticDisorder
06-08-14, 16:20
I have two 9mm Shields and I wish they didn't have the safety.
Me too, but not enough to replace my shield .40, but enough to buy a 9mm Shield without the safety.
I couldn't care less what the pro's think. There are a subset of people who believe that "if you don't want it on, just turn it off and forget about it", and I feel they are making a potentially fatal error. If you don't train to disengage that safety every time you draw, if you are falsely believing that the safety can't possibly engage itself. This can very easily lead to that "oh shit" moment where you draw and attempt to fire but cannot because the safety is engaged, then you vapor lock because it was an eventuality you never prepared for because you felt it was impossible.
TL : DR - *FOR ME* it's not just a "hey I wish it wasn't there", it's a "hey it's an eventuality I don't want to face".
Myself, and many others, chose simply to ignore this gun until the a safety free version came out.
I carry mine safety disengaged, but when I do draw for drills, I still flick downward just to make sure it's off. I do agree with what you're saying. So I've got into the habit of double checking. Never hurts.
My first shipment of these will be in on Monday!
C4
My first shipment of these will be in on Monday!
C4
C'mon LE guns!!
Got our shipment in today!
Holding the gun, it felt slimmer to me than the TS mode. So I got out the calipers and sure enough, it is about 20 thousandths thinner in the rear of the grip. Not a big deal, but you will notice if you own the TS model..
These guns can be ordered up on our website: http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=SMWE
C4
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/SW/10035a.jpg
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/SW/10034a.jpg
Nice Grant!
How many did you get?
Just ordered a Shield .40 from Grant!
Thanks Grant!
Picked mine up from my local LE dealer today.. Feels great! Haven't shot it yet though :(
Very tempting to sell my current shield to get the new model.
Does the new shield incorporate the changes made to the other M&P models with the trigger, and internals?
Very tempting to sell my current shield to get the new model.
Does the new shield incorporate the changes made to the other M&P models with the trigger, and internals?
Not sure, but I'll say that this is BY FAR the best m&p trigger I've ever felt, both in break and reset.
Welp...I suppose I'll be selling a shield to buy a shield. The irony.
PatrioticDisorder
01-24-15, 13:59
Anyone know if S&W has made a plug available for those of us who still have a Shield with safety?
Slvr Surfr
01-26-15, 17:34
I removed my safety and cut a small piece of Kydex to fit. I then used a dab of epoxy to keep it in place. No issues thus far.
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