Egyptian civil war?

[polymorpheous]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/02/world/meast/egypt-protests/index.html

Cairo (CNN) -- Egyptian President Mohamed Morsy refused Tuesday to bow to a military ultimatum that he find a solution to the unrest sweeping the country or be pushed aside, setting the stage for a possible showdown.
Morsy declared he was elected president in balloting that was free and representative of the will of the people.
"The people of Egypt gave me the mandate for president. They chose me in a free election. The people created a constitution which requires me to stay with the constitution," he said in a televised speech. "I have no choice but to bear responsibility for the Egyptian constitution."
The speech came as the clock ticked on the military's plan to suspend the country's constitution, dissolve the Islamist-led parliament and sideline the president, if Morsy does not strike a deal with the opposition to end the unrest, military sources told Arab media and Reuters.
Morsy's defiance sets the stage for a potentially violent showdown, pitting Morsy's supporters -- the Muslim Brotherhood -- against an opposition angered by what they say is the president's failure to take steps to improve conditions more than two years after a popular revolution that ousted Hosni Mubarak.

[obucina]

your sig quote encapsulates the "revolution".

I think the State Dept had a lot to do with formulating the digital revolution and let the youth run with it, not knowing what the outcome would be. The islamists are better organized and are willing to burn a few bystanders to achieve their objectives. Hopefully, the kids will learn and can push the military to hold up its end of the deal.

A moderate arab state that can embrace a diverse populous and dissenting opinions is going to be the proverbial unicorn until the devil wears North Face.

[Mjolnir]

your sig quote encapsulates the "revolution".

I think the State Dept had a lot to do with formulating the digital revolution and let the youth run with it, not knowing what the outcome would be. The islamists are better organized and are willing to burn a few bystanders to achieve their objectives. Hopefully, the kids will learn and can push the military to hold up its end of the deal.

A moderate arab state that can embrace a diverse populous and dissenting opinions is going to be the proverbial unicorn until the devil wears North Face.

Bullseye!

NED, AEI, etc.

Another Color Revolution.

Same with Turkey.

Same as Brazil.


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"One cannot awaken a man who pretends to be asleep."

[SteyrAUG]

A moderate arab state that can embrace a diverse populous and dissenting opinions is going to be the proverbial unicorn until the devil wears North Face.

We had about as close to a modern, secular arab state as you can get with Iraq before Bush I decided to **** up the relationship and Bush II decided to "fix things."

Not that Saddam was a nice person or anything but in the middle east you basically have to choose between an ayatollah or an assahollah.

[Mac5.56]

We had about as close to a modern, secular arab state as you can get with Iraq before Bush I decided to **** up the relationship and Bush II decided to "fix things."

Not that Saddam was a nice person or anything but in the middle east you basically have to choose between an ayatollah or an assahollah.

The NSA will be by shortly to reprogram your understanding of history. How dare you have an accurate view of the last 30 years, have you not figure out that actual reality is not "reality".

We will be commencing your mind scrub in 1 hour. Do not resist.

[SteyrAUG]

The NSA will be by shortly to reprogram your understanding of history. How dare you have an accurate view of the last 30 years, have you not figure out that actual reality is not "reality".

We will be commencing your mind scrub in 1 hour. Do not resist.

The important thing is Kuwait was selling us cheap oil even if some of it did "technically" come from Iraq.

Granted we mostly got into bed with Iraq because they were fighting Iran but there really wasn't a good reason to backdoor Saddam. Without a doubt he wasn't somebody we could "trust" but I don't think we can say that about anybody in the region.

Certainly if Saddam was still there we wouldn't be talking about a "nuclear" Iran problem.

[Grand58742]

Am I the only person that thinks we probably should sit this one out?

[No.6]

Am I the only person that thinks we probably should sit this one out?


We should... but we probably won't.

[montanadave]

We're already in.

U.S. aid to Egypt has fluctuated over the years (as part of the perpetual extortion of the United States by both Israel and Egypt to play nice following the Camp David accords in 1978), but the approx. $1.3 billion we provide in military aid has remained rock steady for over a decade (http://www.policymic.com/index.php/debates/8510).

If you follow the money, the Egyptian military are "our boys" and the power within Egypt which calls the shots behind the scenes. Without the tacit support of the military, no Egyptian leader can effectively manage the government.

[The_War_Wagon]

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/shirazani-phil-says-arab-spring-to-continue-groundhog-day-t10650.html



http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/19088

Dateline Shiraz, Iran

Today Shirazani Phil, the lesser known Misloom version of the American Punxutawney Phil, emerged from his home in the basement of a mosque in Shiraz, Iran, and - in seeing the shadow of the smoke from a stack of burning tires in the street - declared that the Arab Spring currently under way across the Middle East will continue.

Official government spokesman Muhammed Akbar Achmed bin Mohammed stated that, "Once more, Allah has spoken through His Prophet the groundhog, and - Allah willing (PBUH) - the Arab Spring will continue to spread!"

President Mahmoud Ahmadinabamajad was unavailable for comment, but the Supreme Leader, who attended the yearly ceremony, told the press that "WE KEEEEEL YOUUUU!!!"


STILL the most prescient - and accurate - site on the web: The People's Cube! :o

[Safetyhit]

Looking at that image it's hard to distinguish which is more animal, the woodchuck or the "people" photoshopped holding it. Now that we've lost Egypt I hope a regional war breaks out and the respective populations cease to exist. Can't visit the pyramids then we truly have nothing left to lose.

[TAZ]

From a philosophical point of view I'd be totally content with setting up a perimeter and letting them go after each other. Then wiping the winner of the planet. However, from a realistic and economic standpoint that is bad juju for us. There is no way to keep them penned in well enough to not spread the violence into other regions and economically we can't afford the whole region going ape shit. Crude already took a jump in anticipation of bad stuff happening. Given Obummers ability/willingness to control energy prices if crude prices to crazy Americans will be bankrupt paying their energy bills.

[montanadave]

There are reports the that the military has issued a travel ban for Morsi and senior members of the Islamic Brotherhood (https://twitter.com/AP/status/352462856291233792). Additionally, the army has deployed troops in Cairo and there are military vehicles moving in the streets (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/07/egypt-morsi-deadline/66815/).

Situation very fluid. A military coup may be under way right now.

[polymorpheous]

A military coup may be under way right now.

Those always end well...

[TAZ]

It's not a coup. They said they aren't interested in a coup. They said they aren't interested in controlling the country. LOL... Famous last words.

Only good news is that they are moving against the brotherhood.

[montanadave]

Egyptian military has suspended the constitution and announced formation of an interim government until new parliamentary elections can take place.

[The_War_Wagon]

Fireworks and green lasers forever!

http://live.foxnews.com/#/1155606219001

[jpmuscle]

The price of gas is going to go up now... again.... dammit..... :(

[skydivr]

I've got mixed feelings on this one. The military may have done the right thing here...

[Moose-Knuckle]

So why hasn't POTUS made a statement, uhh didn't he support these guys? :lol:

SECSTATE MIA??? :confused:

I hope this whole thing blows up (figuratively speaking of course) in this administrations face.

[Moose-Knuckle]

Fireworks and green lasers forever!

http://live.foxnews.com/#/1155606219001

Yeah when I saw the live shots of the massive crowds, fireworks, and green lasers I thought the media pulled stock footage from Electric Daisy Carnival.

[RWK]

I've got mixed feelings on this one. The military may have done the right thing here...

They have a pretty good track record so far. Surprisingly so for that part of the world.

[nimdabew]

I wonder when the populace made these up.

http://shariaunveiled.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/obama-supports-terrorism-2.png

[jpmuscle]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/07/03/egypt-teeters-on-brink-overthrow-as-army-deadline-is-set-to-expire/


Egypt's top military commander says the army is now in full control of the country and President Mohammed Morsi has been replaced by the chief justice of the constitutional court as the interim head of state.

He made the announcements in a Wednesday night speech -- the latest twist in an all-out power struggle inside Egypt that Morsi and his national security adviser are describing as a military coup.

Gen. Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi said the country's constitution has been temporarily suspended and Morsi has failed to meet the demands of Egypt's people. Adli Mansour will be the new interim leader.

Fireworks and cheers erupted from the millions gathered in Tahrir Square after the announcement was made.

Earlier in the day, an army deadline for Morsi to resolve Egypt's political crisis expired.

Top military officials and opposition leaders met Wednesday and agreed on a political roadmap for the country's future, calling for early presidential and parliamentary elections, el-Sissi said. A new presidential cabinet will be formed as well as a national reconciliation committee, which will include youth movements that have been behind anti-Morsi demonstrations.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/07/03/egypt-teeters-on-brink-overthrow-as-army-deadline-is-set-to-expire/#ixzz2Y17t3dzb


More in the link

[11B101ABN]

I'm cautiously optimistic that the Egyptian Armed Forces are proceeding with the best interests of the citizenry in this case. Interesting that they did appoint a civilian judge and not an officer to run the show in the interim. Speaks well of their intent, on the surface anyway.

[Whiskey_Bravo]

Did they hand out green lasers as the entrance or what?

[ForTehNguyen]

and were giving them F16s too

[Safetyhit]

Just heard that Obama put out a formal statement calling for the Egyptian military to reverse it's decision and reinstate Morsi. No link yet but I'm not being sarcastic.

[polymorpheous]

The guy is shameless.
Open support for the Muslim Brotherhood.

[montanadave]

Just heard that Obama put out a formal statement calling for the Egyptian military to reverse it's decision and reinstate Morsi. No link yet but I'm not being sarcastic.

No.

From the White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/07/03/statement-president-barack-obama-egypt):

Statement by President Barack Obama on Egypt

As I have said since the Egyptian Revolution, the United States supports a set of core principles, including opposition to violence, protection of universal human rights, and reform that meets the legitimate aspirations of the people. The United States does not support particular individuals or political parties, but we are committed to the democratic process and respect for the rule of law. Since the current unrest in Egypt began, we have called on all parties to work together to address the legitimate grievances of the Egyptian people, in accordance with the democratic process, and without recourse to violence or the use of force.

The United States is monitoring the very fluid situation in Egypt, and we believe that ultimately the future of Egypt can only be determined by the Egyptian people. Nevertheless, we are deeply concerned by the decision of the Egyptian Armed Forces to remove President Morsy and suspend the Egyptian constitution. I now call on the Egyptian military to move quickly and responsibly to return full authority back to a democratically elected civilian government as soon as possible through an inclusive and transparent process, and to avoid any arbitrary arrests of President Morsy and his supporters. Given today’s developments, I have also directed the relevant departments and agencies to review the implications under U.S. law for our assistance to the Government of Egypt.

The United States continues to believe firmly that the best foundation for lasting stability in Egypt is a democratic political order with participation from all sides and all political parties —secular and religious, civilian and military. During this uncertain period, we expect the military to ensure that the rights of all Egyptian men and women are protected, including the right to peaceful assembly, due process, and free and fair trials in civilian courts. Moreover, the goal of any political process should be a government that respects the rights of all people, majority and minority; that institutionalizes the checks and balances upon which democracy depends; and that places the interests of the people above party or faction. The voices of all those who have protested peacefully must be heard – including those who welcomed today’s developments, and those who have supported President Morsy. In the interim, I urge all sides to avoid violence and come together to ensure the lasting restoration of Egypt’s democracy.

No transition to democracy comes without difficulty, but in the end it must stay true to the will of the people. An honest, capable and representative government is what ordinary Egyptians seek and what they deserve. The longstanding partnership between the United States and Egypt is based on shared interests and values, and we will continue to work with the Egyptian people to ensure that Egypt’s transition to democracy succeeds.

[Safetyhit]

The guy is shameless.
Open support for the Muslim Brotherhood.

Seems it's true. Doesn't mention Morsi specifically but you can certainly discern the clear message.

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-statement-egypt-morsi-takeover-mohamed-coup-aid-2013-7

[Safetyhit]

Dave stop spinning. He specifically criticizes the military for their actions, asks that they essentially step aside immediately, reinstate the elected government and calls for Morsi to be protected, not punished.

[montanadave]

Dave stop spinning. He specifically criticizes the military for their actions, asks that they essentially step aside immediately, reinstate the elected government and calls for Morsi to be protected, not punished.

And I'm spinning? Please read the statement. There's no mention of reinstating the Morsi government. It calls for the Egyptian military to move quickly and responsibly in returning authority to "a" democratically elected civilian government ASAP.

And it only makes sense to step lightly with respect to the Egyptian Brotherhood. They received 51% of the popular vote in the last election and, if subjected to open persecution and retaliation, are quite capable of going underground and fomenting a full-on civil war.

[Belloc]

Apparently for Egyptians, "We want freedom!" and "Let's get our rape on!" are synonymous.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/07/03/egypt-epidemic-sexual-violence

[The_War_Wagon]

I wonder when the populace made these up.

http://shariaunveiled.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/obama-supports-terrorism-2.png

I don't know... but I WANT one! :p

[Moose-Knuckle]

Apparently for Egyptians, "We want freedom!" and "Let's get our rape on!" are synonymous.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/07/03/egypt-epidemic-sexual-violence

The MSM has essentially done a complete black out on the gang rapes by Muslim men in places like Egypt and again the Muslim "immigrants" in Western Europe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbpAXRfbE-A

[VooDoo6Actual]

Egypt from NASA Satellite
Those people know how to do it right & party.
America is a joke at this point.


http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/photo_zpseaa89780.jpg (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/teehee321/media/photo_zpseaa89780.jpg.html)

[Moose-Knuckle]

Egypt from NASA Satellite
Those people know how to do it right & party.
America is a joke at this point.

As I watched the live feed from Egypt, I couldn't help but think that should be us here in the US marching on our capital and demanding the tyrant out.

[VooDoo6Actual]

As I watched the live feed from Egypt, I couldn't help but think that should be us here in the US marching on our capital and demanding the tyrant out.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/photo_zps00407e45.jpg (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/teehee321/media/photo_zps00407e45.jpg.html)

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/photo_zpseff680f6.jpg (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/teehee321/media/photo_zpseff680f6.jpg.html)

[obucina]

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/photo_zps00407e45.jpg (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/teehee321/media/photo_zps00407e45.jpg.html)

the kids got their "reform"....sadly, he shows up with an infectious smile and a cool logo.

[Belloc]

As I watched the live feed from Egypt, I couldn't help but think that should be us here in the US marching on our capital and demanding the tyrant out.

You may get half your wish. They may be marching in a couple of years, but if so it will be to keep Obama in office and demand that the Supreme Court rule that since the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution prevents Obama from running for a third term it is therefore racist and thus ipso facto unconstitutional.

Remember that the government school system is churning out new big government liberals like a giant runaway malignant tumor producing new cancer cells. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/11/us/politics/in-montana-young-liberal-and-open-to-big-government.html?src=me&ref=general&_r=3&

[Moose-Knuckle]

You may get half your wish. They may be marching in a couple of years, but if so it will be to keep Obama in office and demand that the Supreme Court rule that since the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution prevents Obama from running for a third term it is therefore racist and thus ipso facto unconstitutional.

Remember that the government school system is churning out new big government liberals like a giant runaway malignant tumor producing new cancer cells. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/11/us/politics/in-montana-young-liberal-and-open-to-big-government.html?src=me&ref=general&_r=3&

No doubt there is this.

Civil War 2.0 . . . .

[polymorpheous]

Thread drift much fellas?

[montanadave]

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/photo_zps00407e45.jpg (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/teehee321/media/photo_zps00407e45.jpg.html)

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/photo_zpseff680f6.jpg (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/teehee321/media/photo_zpseff680f6.jpg.html)


Thread drift much fellas?

Must be a slow news day.

[Mjolnir]

Official US policy is to support Sunni over Shi'ite. No matter the cost.

Well, there is a pipeline from Iran thru Iraq to Syria and maybe Greece to supply EUrope with Natural Gas. Those nations are Shiite. There is an extremely large natural gas find around Damascus, Tartus and Homs. Do those cities sound familiar? They should!

The West/US/UK Plan is for a new pipeline from Qatar (they share the largest natural gas field WITH Iran - South Pars field) to EUrope via Saudi Arabia to Jordan (bypassing Shiite Iraq) and reach... Syria. Near Homs the pipeline is to branch in three directions: Latakia, Tripoli (northern Lebanon...) and Turkey. Homs is where the 2011 find places the hydrocarbon reserves. This is the vicinity of the most fierce fighting - Homs and Al-Qusayr. So the areas where the FSA and others operate appear to be the path of the proposed pipeline. Essentially, Syria must be broken and control of these areas have to be in the hands of the West by proxy.

The area best placed to ship the natural gas is best in...... TARTUS. That's where Russia has its old naval base which I've not researched to see what infrastructure stands there. Anything is better than "no thing" so Tartus it is.

Asia Times analyst Pepe Escobar made a statement that I'm keeping in the back of my mind. Essentially, The Emir of Qatar has apparently made a deal with the Muslim Bros according to which it will support their international expansion in exchange for a pact of peace with Qatar. So far so good as Qatar has spent $3 billion supporting the "rebels" this far. This I where it gets interesting, though: a Muslim Bro regime in Jordan AND in Syria, supported by Qatar would abruptly change the geopolitical world gas market in favor of Qatar at the expense of Russia, Syria, Iran and Iraq and deal a heavy blow to China.

So this strategy breaks Russia's gas monopoly in EUrope, frees Turkey from Iranian gas and allows Israel the opportunity to export its gas to EUrope via land at less cost.

It's all a grand chessboard. Just adjust the way you look at it; its "common sense" once you see it for what it is.


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"One cannot awaken a man who pretends to be asleep."

[Moose-Knuckle]

Official US policy is to support Sunni over Shi'ite. No matter the cost.

Well, there is a pipeline from Iran thru Iraq to Syria and maybe Greece to supply EUrope with Natural Gas. Those nations are Shiite. There is an extremely large natural gas find around Damascus, Tartus and Homs. Do those cities sound familiar? They should!

The West/US/UK Plan is for a new pipeline from Qatar (they share the largest natural gas field WITH Iran - South Pars field) to EUrope via Saudi Arabia to Jordan (bypassing Shiite Iraq) and reach... Syria. Near Homs the pipeline is to branch in three directions: Latakia, Tripoli (northern Lebanon...) and Turkey. Homs is where the 2011 find places the hydrocarbon reserves. This is the vicinity of the most fierce fighting - Homs and Al-Qusayr. So the areas where the FSA and others operate appear to be the path of the proposed pipeline. Essentially, Syria must be broken and control of these areas have to be in the hands of the West by proxy.

The area best placed to ship the natural gas is best in...... TARTUS. That's where Russia has its old naval base which I've not researched to see what infrastructure stands there. Anything is better than "no thing" so Tartus it is.

Asia Times analyst Pepe Escobar made a statement that I'm keeping in the back of my mind. Essentially, The Emir of Qatar has apparently made a deal with the Muslim Bros according to which it will support their international expansion in exchange for a pact of peace with Qatar. So far so good as Qatar has spent $3 billion supporting the "rebels" this far. This I where it gets interesting, though: a Muslim Bro regime in Jordan AND in Syria, supported by Qatar would abruptly change the geopolitical world gas market in favor of Qatar at the expense of Russia, Syria, Iran and Iraq and deal a heavy blow to China.

So this strategy breaks Russia's gas monopoly in EUrope, frees Turkey from Iranian gas and allows Israel the opportunity to export its gas to EUrope via land at less cost.

It's all a grand chessboard. Just adjust the way you look at it; its "common sense" once you see it for what it is.

Gen. Smedley Butler warned us . . .

[Alpha Sierra]

The pogrom is just beginning

http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-interim-president-sworn-amid-crackdown-132645527.html

[Alpha Sierra]

Civil War 2.0 . . . .
Easy win

[VooDoo6Actual]

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/CaptureEgyptmessagetotheAmericanPeople_zpse76fdac1.jpg (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/teehee321/media/CaptureEgyptmessagetotheAmericanPeople_zpse76fdac1.jpg.html)

[Bubba FAL]

So, have the Egyptian people now shown us how to rid ourselves of a corrupt and contra-constitutional elected President? Should we start buying up green lasers?

[jpmuscle]

Egypt from NASA Satellite
Those people know how to do it right & party.
America is a joke at this point.


http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/photo_zpseaa89780.jpg (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/teehee321/media/photo_zpseaa89780.jpg.html)

I've been thinking the same thing watching all of this unfold. We can't even make July 4th look comparable to the ruckus they put on over there. I'll give them credit there. We can't even seem to marshal up a decent protest in lieu of everything going on in the last few months let alone years. Sad..

[Belloc]

Head Of Egyptian Military Has Ties To Muslim Brotherhood And Once Endorsed 'Virginity Checks' On Women
http://www.businessinsider.com/egyptian-military-head-is-not-the-answer-2013-7

[Mauser KAR98K]

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/CaptureEgyptmessagetotheAmericanPeople_zpse76fdac1.jpg (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/teehee321/media/CaptureEgyptmessagetotheAmericanPeople_zpse76fdac1.jpg.html)

I truly hope that is what majority of the people in Egypt do feel about us. Wish i could apologize to them for the FSA electing the Bozo in twice.

[Mjolnir]

Head Of Egyptian Military Has Ties To Muslim Brotherhood And Once Endorsed 'Virginity Checks' On Women
http://www.businessinsider.com/egyptian-military-head-is-not-the-answer-2013-7

I am aware - made aware, that is.

I have always maintained that it MAY BE another Color Revolution. OR A COUNTER-REVOLUTION. Time will certainly tell. I'm hoping it was a counterrevolution and on the surface it appears that way. Experts are mixed but Engdahl says "counterrevolution".

Turkey - officially accepted observer status in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and backed off attacking Syria. Color Revolution

Just like "BRIC" member and potential powerhouse of the region, Brazil.

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"One cannot awaken a man who pretends to be asleep."

[montanadave]

Interesting analysis of the recent events in Egypt from Foreign Policy: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/07/03/morsy_military_coup_egypt_us_obama

From the article:

"Nobody should celebrate a military coup against Egypt's first freely elected president, no matter how badly he failed or how badly they hate the Muslim Brotherhood. Turfing out Morsy will not come close to addressing the underlying failures that have plagued Egypt's catastrophic transition over the last two and a half years. The military's intervention is an admission of the failure of Egypt's entire political class, and those now celebrating already probably know that they could soon rue the coup.

This new uprising certainly upends what U.S. policymakers considered to be their best efforts to support a shaky democratic transition. Few in Washington are sorry to see Morsy go. But few believe that this process, a mass uprising culminating in a military coup, will restore stability or lead to a more democratic outcome. The Muslim Brotherhood performed atrociously in power, but the real problem was always the weakness and illegitimacy of the political institutions. If the coup and uprising solve the first at the expense of the second, then the political reset will fail."

[Mjolnir]

Interesting analysis of the recent events in Egypt from Foreign Policy: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/07/03/morsy_military_coup_egypt_us_obama

From the article:

"Nobody should celebrate a military coup against Egypt's first freely elected president, no matter how badly he failed or how badly they hate the Muslim Brotherhood. Turfing out Morsy will not come close to addressing the underlying failures that have plagued Egypt's catastrophic transition over the last two and a half years. The military's intervention is an admission of the failure of Egypt's entire political class, and those now celebrating already probably know that they could soon rue the coup.

This new uprising certainly upends what U.S. policymakers considered to be their best efforts to support a shaky democratic transition. Few in Washington are sorry to see Morsy go. But few believe that this process, a mass uprising culminating in a military coup, will restore stability or lead to a more democratic outcome. The Muslim Brotherhood performed atrociously in power, but the real problem was always the weakness and illegitimacy of the political institutions. If the coup and uprising solve the first at the expense of the second, then the political reset will fail."

Keep in mind that Foreign Policy periodical is the mouthpiece for the CFR.

That makes it worthy of study despite the extreme Globalist nature.

Thanks!


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"One cannot awaken a man who pretends to be asleep."

[interfan]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ywpwtf0tt0c/UdItUBg6c1I/AAAAAAABNQ8/Xpn0SP8FSDw/s600/130701-obama-egypt-050.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qkeWcCGDZ0Y/UdItUdTkHOI/AAAAAAABNRA/XkM3Gy0ZIUM/s600/130701-obama-egypt-054.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vhH4CuxAobM/UdItVnj3thI/AAAAAAABNRY/LF24Y9KXoAQ/s600/130701-obama-egypt-070.jpg

I wonder how the greeting would be on another apology tour?

[Moose-Knuckle]

So I take it that POTUS will NOT be visiting Egypt anytime soon, too bad since he was just on the continent . . . :lol:

[Alpha Sierra]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ywpwtf0tt0c/UdItUBg6c1I/AAAAAAABNQ8/Xpn0SP8FSDw/s600/130701-obama-egypt-050.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qkeWcCGDZ0Y/UdItUdTkHOI/AAAAAAABNRA/XkM3Gy0ZIUM/s600/130701-obama-egypt-054.jpg


http://yaritzacolon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/captain-picard-full-of-win(pp_w486_h371).jpg

[interfan]

So I take it that POTUS will NOT be visiting Egypt anytime soon, too bad since he was just on the continent . . . :lol:

http://www.commonsenseevaluation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Obamas-Trip-To-Africa.jpg

[justin_247]

Keep in mind that Foreign Policy periodical is the mouthpiece for the CFR.

That makes it worthy of study despite the extreme Globalist nature.

Thanks!

You're confusing it with Foreign Affairs. Foreign Policy is owned by the Washington Post, but was originally owned by the Carnegie Endowment after it was founded by Samuel Huntington.

[Mjolnir]

You're confusing it with Foreign Affairs. Foreign Policy is owned by the Washington Post, but was originally owned by the Carnegie Endowment after it was founded by Samuel Huntington.

Right you are.

I subscribe to both as well as other periodicals by NGOs. "Interesting" perspectives they have.


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"One cannot awaken a man who pretends to be asleep."