View Full Version : A major pro-gun victory in IL?!
Straight Shooter
07-09-13, 16:52
IF Im reading the reports correctly, seems both the state House & Senate in Il just COMPLETLY overrode the socialist Gov. and enacted what seems to be a very pro- gun concealed carry law. Im still trying to find out if it allows "assault weapons" or not, but seems the Gov is pissed. GOOD, SCREW YOU.
If yall have more up to date or accurate info, please let us/me know. Its
about IL joined everyone else.
Moose-Knuckle
07-09-13, 17:13
Cool, any links. Hope this is the case.
Straight Shooter
07-09-13, 17:22
M-K,
I wouldn't know how to post a link if you put a M4 to my head!! Kinda a dunce on the pooter. But...its headline news on DRUDGE REPORT, with a COOl PIC up too!
http://www.isra.org/
http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x1806121840/Lawmakers-begin-meeting-for-concealed-carry-special-session
Moose-Knuckle
07-09-13, 17:36
M-K,
I wouldn't know how to post a link if you put a M4 to my head!! Kinda a dunce on the pooter. But...its headline news on DRUDGE REPORT, with a COOl PIC up too!
Gottcha, linked from Drudge.
Illinois enacts nation's final concealed-gun law
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/lawmakers-poised-override-quinns-gun-bill
Crow Hunter
07-09-13, 17:52
Now if they would just get reciprocity with other states. There are some really nice places in Southern Illinois that I would like to visit, but I won't because I don't road travel in states that I can't CCW in.
Now if they would just get reciprocity with other states.
That's where I'm at. Believe it or not, my wife & I like going to Chicago occasionally. Sure would be nice to carry.
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gunrunner505
07-09-13, 18:09
That's where I'm at. Believe it or not, my wife & I like going to Chicago occasionally. Sure would be nice to carry.
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You can carry. You just need to give the politbureau $300 dracmas and you can get a non resident permit. Provided your carry law is deemed close enough to this one.
Very fair and impartial review mind you....
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You can carry. You just need to give the politbureau $300 dracmas and you can get a non resident permit. Provided your carry law is deemed close enough to this one.
Very fair and impartial review mind you....
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Yeah, I was just reading that in the thread in the Great Lakes forum. That's pretty steep but I'd still do it if I have to. We're usually there only 3-4 times a year but how do you put a price on your safety? I was kinda hoping there would be reciprocity but I'm not holding my breath. I've got an AZ, FL, UT & WI but I'm guessing I'll have to add one more. I'm still happy for you guys, nonetheless. Congrats!
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Now if only the cases in the courts regarding "May Issue" would move forward... :-(
Now if they would just get reciprocity with other states. There are some really nice places in Southern Illinois that I would like to visit, but I won't because I don't road travel in states that I can't CCW in.
Ditto. I really like Chicago, well certain parts on occasion, as well as the southern parts. I absolutely refuse to travel to states where I can't protect myself though. It's nice to see that hope & change coming to Barry's home state :D
Grand58742
07-09-13, 20:28
Anyone know how (or if) the reciprocity will work? Great that is passed, not sure how the remainder of the bill is worded on that account.
Also, I remember seeing the cities could or would pass stricter laws if they wanted. Not sure if that's still the case or not.
Now if they would just get reciprocity with other states. There are some really nice places in Southern Illinois that I would like to visit, but I won't because I don't road travel in states that I can't CCW in.
Getting this bill passed was a huge hurdle. Don't think for a second we are going to stop here. The Illinois State Rifle Association and the NRA will continue to push for amendments that make the law more reasonable and more practical. It will take time, but we will continue to fight until we get the job done.
Eurodriver
07-09-13, 21:15
Ditto. I really like Chicago, well certain parts on occasion, as well as the southern parts. I absolutely refuse to travel to states where I can't protect myself though. It's nice to see that hope & change coming to Barry's home state :D
Agreed. There are lots of in Illinois I like and even some parts of Chicago that aren't bad. This goes for NJ, NY (NYC), CA (NorCal mainly), and Hawaii as well. Lots of nice places to visit, but not being able to protect myself sucks.
gunrunner505
07-09-13, 22:16
Anyone know how (or if) the reciprocity will work? Great that is passed, not sure how the remainder of the bill is worded on that account.
Also, I remember seeing the cities could or would pass stricter laws if they wanted. Not sure if that's still the case or not.
The bill/law has a preemption clause. It basically tells all towns a CCL is like a DL. Issued by the state and good everywhere. I heard it also gutted cook county's awb but allowed towns to pass them within 10 days if the ccw law, after that you cannot enact one. Chicago got to keep theirs. The governors office made a big push for awb all over but i think the count of towns that added one was 4. My question is, if you didn't think you needed one before, why get one now? More legal battles coming.
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SeriousStudent
07-09-13, 22:21
Congrats to the good people of Illinois! I am so glad you folks got this.
I'm willing to bet Texas sets up reciprocity with you folks pretty quick. It's not there now, but our AG and Governor are pretty fast on that, and have issued unilateral declarations before.
Again, I'm delighted to hear you folks have won a victory in your fight.
Getting this bill passed was a huge hurdle. Don't think for a second we are going to stop here. The Illinois State Rifle Association and the NRA will continue to push for amendments that make the law more reasonable and more practical. It will take time, but we will continue to fight until we get the job done.
Nice job guys. Just need reciprocity next. I always hate having to unholster before I cross the border into IL when going home to Iowa.
These people are full of shit. The public won't be safer, etc... That must be a cruel hoax. Shitcago is like a war zone and people are already in danger. At least now they have a fighting chance.
Gottcha, linked from Drudge.
Illinois enacts nation's final concealed-gun law
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/lawmakers-poised-override-quinns-gun-bill
Nation's first???
Eurodriver
07-10-13, 07:03
These people are full of shit. The public won't be safer, etc... That must be a cruel hoax. Shitcago is like a war zone and people are already in danger. At least now they have a fighting chance.
They seriously believe that.
I can bring in a lot of DU trash from people saying those exact things.
"Now it will only get worse."
"Thanks IL legislature for giving into the NRA and child killers"
Etc
These people are full of shit. The public won't be safer, etc... That must be a cruel hoax. Shitcago is like a war zone and people are already in danger. At least now they have a fighting chance.
That's what happens when they make no distinction between criminals and armed law-abiding citizens. They (we) are one in the same group.
Should the states violent crime rates tick downward now over the ten years I hope someone literally takes the data and shoves it down these politicians' throats.
That's what happens when they make no distinction between criminals and armed law-abiding citizens. They (we) are one in the same group.
Should the states violent crime rates tick downward now over the ten years I hope someone literally takes the data and shoves it down these politicians' throats.
I just hope they significantly thin the heard. Chicago is a neat city and would be a nice place if it was mostly decent people walking around.
Not to be a killjoy but unfortunately this likely doesn't mean much. Technically NJ is a can carry state too, just that they won't issue anyone the permits and in fact it is widely reported to be a blemish on your firearm ID if you are rejected.
Alpha Sierra
07-10-13, 15:48
Not to be a killjoy but unfortunately this likely doesn't mean much. Technically NJ is a can carry state too, just that they won't issue anyone the permits and in fact it is widely reported to be a blemish on your firearm ID if you are rejected.
Do you not understand how "shall issue" (such as Illinois' and the majority of the states') concealed carry laws work?
Here's a hint for you: police have ZERO discretion when it comes to deciding who gets one and who doesn't. So long as the applicant does not fall into any of the clearly defined statutory disqualifiers, the police MUST issue a license within the statutorily defined time limit.
You might want to know what you are talking about before giving advice, just saying....
Do you not understand how "shall issue" (such as Illinois' and the majority of the states') concealed carry laws work?
Here's a hint for you: police have ZERO discretion when it comes to deciding who gets one and who doesn't. So long as the applicant does not fall into any of the clearly defined statutory disqualifiers, the police MUST issue a license within the statutorily defined time limit.
You might want to know what you are talking about before giving advice, just saying....
Actually my good man it is you who clearly has absolutely no clue what you are taking the noble time to blamelessly slander someone about. Obviously you aren't familiar with how things work in some states to say the very least.
Alpha I will clarify that while I know that some states are "May Issue" states I was a PA resident for years and can tell you all kinds of stories I and others went through, specifically in the 90's. It simply is not always that cut and dry.
Alpha Sierra
07-10-13, 16:29
I honestly don't care what happened to you or anyone else 23 years ago.
TODAY, virtually anyone who isn't a prohibited person gets a carry license in shall issue states, if they want one.
Illinois won't be any different.
Alpha I understand how you may have been replying to my specific comment about NJ but here is what I was talking about regarding some "Shall Issue" states and the pitfalls of the generalized statement you made:
"Last Action (Illinois)
Date Chamber Action
5/31/2013 House Passed Both Houses...
The Concealed Carry Licensing Review Board determines by a preponderance of the evidence whether the applicant is eligible or ineligible for a license...
Requires the Department of State Police to approve a 16 hour training course for new license applicants and 3 hour course for license renewal, and to certify course instructors...
Establishes training course requirements...
Amends the Open Meetings Act to close meetings and deliberations of the Concealed Carry Licensing Review Board. "
So while I am delighted for the residents of that state and our progress in general they can and likely still find ways to make it difficult for many.
You do know that there is a difference between "shall issue" and "may issue". New Jersey is a "may issue" which means discretionary and not "shall issue".
Not to be a killjoy but unfortunately this likely doesn't mean much. Technically NJ is a can carry state too, just that they won't issue anyone the permits and in fact it is widely reported to be a blemish on your firearm ID if you are rejected.
You do know that there is a difference between "shall issue" and "may issue". New Jersey is a "may issue" which means discretionary and not "shall issue".
Yes I do and I hope I cleared that up in the posts above. My initial comment should have been more descriptive in regard to rejected permit applications and also that even "shall issue" states have their technical hurdles.
Bottom line is I will be very eager to see how this new law is implemented and just how hard they make it to complete the CCW process, this despite the seemingly mundane wording. I believe that here in NJ it goes by county judge discretion, in fact I'm almost positive, whereas the township chief signs off on a standard handgun purchase permit.
Not sure how many boards there will be in Illinois but I'd guess one per county. Either way they still have to approve as a majority (if that).
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