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Was test firing a 11.5" BCM upper build and thought the Fortis REV 12" rail would be ok with the muzzle tucked in. Got about 200 rounds through it on a rest before it blew out. $200 mistake learned, good thing my hand was not up there.
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/65/uqea.jpg
My GOD! Damn right good thing your hand wasn't there! Otherwise we'd be calling you lefty from now on (or righty).
Failure2Stop
07-18-13, 12:54
This is my "not surprised" face.
Eurodriver
07-18-13, 13:04
This is my "not surprised" face.
+1
What on earth made you think it would be okay to put the muzzle device inside the rail?
A bare muzzle? Still not wise, but a muzzle device launches pressure out the sides by design
A lesson was learned yesterday, patience is a wonderful quality.
Grand58742
07-18-13, 13:15
Okay, I'll chalk this up as a "yeah figured so" for a hopeful future SBR owner.
Which does kind of bring a question. I know inside the rails is obviously off limits (pretty much knew this before), but what kind of clearance is necessary for a rail system if I went a gas block route? More than likely with the BCM Gunfighter comp? Nine inch tube on a 11.5 inch barrel okay?
Wow, glad you're ok. I would disassemble and have the end cut off in a mill.
Okay, I'll chalk this up as a "yeah figured so" for a hopeful future SBR owner.
Which does kind of bring a question. I know inside the rails is obviously off limits (pretty much knew this before), but what kind of clearance is necessary for a rail system if I went a gas block route? More than likely with the BCM Gunfighter comp? Nine inch tube on a 11.5 inch barrel okay?
As long as the rail is behind the threads, you'll be fine.
Grand58742
07-18-13, 13:31
As long as the rail is behind the threads, you'll be fine.
Thanks.
The only muzzle device I can think of that would work that far into the rail is a Noveske KX3.
Oh my God.
I'd post this on M4 for fun... but you already did! :p
(might as well chop that rail short and get some value out of it.)
Wow. You win best thread today. :)
Oh my God.
I'd post this on M4 for fun... but you already did! :p
(might as well chop that rail short and get some value out of it.)
This is actually a good idea. You may be able to salvage something out if it.
This is actually a good idea. You may be able to salvage something out if it.
Absolutely. I worry about homeboy playing with power tools though. :eek: :D
Absolutely. I worry about homeboy playing with power tools though. :eek: :D
In all fairness I don't think there is a single one of us who hasn't made a supremely stupid decision at one point or another.
At least you know your muzzle device actually works!
Sorry to hear about the rail, tho...
Color me.. not shocked.
Levang comp.. if you must.
In all fairness I don't think there is a single one of us who hasn't made a supremely stupid decision at one point or another.
Yeah... but we didn't post it on the internuts. :)
WickedWillis
07-18-13, 14:33
Well I am glad you still have a hand. I think mako makes a vertical side grip for bent rails you can throw on there......
Might try to cut it, maybe salvage something. I was using this rail on my 16" BCM upper, so I need to start looking for a replacement.
OP- Glad you're not injured.
And a sincere thank you for posting this. :D
skijunkie55
07-18-13, 14:57
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Yeah... but we didn't post it on the internuts. :)
He's got big cahones, which shows his self image is fine, and he's not one of those damn narcissists.
He's got big cahones, which shows his self image is fine, and he's not one of those damn narcissists.
Yep. I must admit I didn't know that a muzzle device could do that.
In all fairness I don't think there is a single one of us who hasn't made a supremely stupid decision at one point or another.
Amen to that kwelz. I did something idiotic with my primary rifle 2 weeks ago. Nothing life threatening just plain stupid. Its still down right now trying to get fixed.
Don't have the marbles to post it on the inter webs though. ;)
-Jax
It can be done but you should use a handguard designed for it such as the one Warsport uses in their LVOA
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb244/a996hawk/970E7CAC-F2B4-4648-B3BC-633341547099-22182-000008B0CE45A158_zpsd12fbcb6.jpg
It was a decent learning experience and I didn't know the muzzle could put out that kind of pressure. I was amazed when I saw it.
I don't mind bringing a bone headed mistake to the internet, maybe I helped someone out today. My main concern right now is getting the 16" back up and running with a rail. My dept went through the drmo process and got a bunch of Vietnam era m16's for patrol use. I was using the 16" for duty to avoid the Vietnam weapons.
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It was a decent learning experience and I didn't know the muzzle could put out that kind of pressure. I was amazed when I saw it.
I don't mind bringing a bone headed mistake to the internet, maybe I helped someone out today. My main concern right now is getting the 16" back up and running with a rail. My dept went through the drmo process and got a bunch of Vietnam era m16's for patrol use. I was using the 16" for duty to avoid the Vietnam weapons.
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Thanks for posting, I had no idea the comp would do that so quickly.
This is my "not surprised" face.
:laugh:
Was test firing a 11.5" BCM upper build and thought the Fortis REV 12" rail would be ok with the muzzle tucked in. Got about 200 rounds through it on a rest before it blew out. $200 mistake learned, good thing my hand was not up there.
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/65/uqea.jpg
Wow. Really lets you know just how much pressure is being vented. :eek:
Thanks for posting this. We preach "Go shoot the rifle" and this is a graphic illustration why. When I saw the title of the thread, I thought "Just how do you blow up a rail?" Now I know. I never would have thought a compensator inside a handguard would have such dramatic results. I just figured it wasn't a good idea because it'd render the compensator useless.
Kudos for manning up and sharing. As this is costing you $200, you've paid for your mistake. Considering the damage and that your hands are still intact, I'd say you got off cheap. That's what I'd figure in your place. Congratulations, learning has occurred
Really makes you think about how much pressure a Suppressor has to contain
Wow. Really lets you know just how much pressure is being vented. :eek:
Might try to cut it, maybe salvage something. I was using this rail on my 16" BCM upper, so I need to start looking for a replacement.
How much would you have left if you cut it after the damaged part, 9" or 10"? If you do cut it be sure to post pics.
I'm going to guesstimate about 9 inches
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It can be done but you should use a handguard designed for it such as the one Warsport uses in their LVOA
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb244/a996hawk/970E7CAC-F2B4-4648-B3BC-633341547099-22182-000008B0CE45A158_zpsd12fbcb6.jpg
I understand that the OP did this as a temporary setup, but I just can't fathom why anyone would do this on purpose as shown above? WTH?
Cut the damaged section off and touch up the bare aluminum. It'll give it character! :cool:
Thanks for sharing.
Suwannee Tim
07-18-13, 19:32
I understand that the OP did this as a temporary setup, but I just can't fathom why anyone would do this on purpose as shown above? WTH?
I was going to say "ridiculous" but I didn't want to be provocative so I didn't say it.
Cut the damaged section off and touch up the bare aluminum. It'll give it character! :cool:
Thanks for sharing.
Hacksaw and a file. All you need.
It was a decent learning experience and I didn't know the muzzle could put out that kind of pressure. I was amazed when I saw it.
I don't mind bringing a bone headed mistake to the internet, maybe I helped someone out today. My main concern right now is getting the 16" back up and running with a rail. My dept went through the drmo process and got a bunch of Vietnam era m16's for patrol use. I was using the 16" for duty to avoid the Vietnam weapons.
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Glad you posted it! I see a trend in this direction, with the rails 'bout to the muzzle, hopefully some will learn the limit of how far you really want to get that rail out towards the muzzle! (Unless you use a Levang as mentioned.. )
Glad you are also okay! ;)
Seems to be several kabooms of ARs here lately...:eek:
It was a decent learning experience and I didn't know the muzzle could put out that kind of pressure. I was amazed when I saw it.
I don't mind bringing a bone headed mistake to the internet, maybe I helped someone out today. My main concern right now is getting the 16" back up and running with a rail. My dept went through the drmo process and got a bunch of Vietnam era m16's for patrol use. I was using the 16" for duty to avoid the Vietnam weapons.
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If I get this right, you took it off your duty weapon, and tried it out on the 11.5" to see how it would do, and this was the result? Or did I miss something along the way?
If that is for your duty weapon, that is rough.
warsports LVOA is the least recoil of any 556 gun I have ever shot. if I remember correctly it also runs a 12.5 inch midlength system. The BC/rail combo also contributes to the extreme light recoil
Still that gas is going somewhere, IMO if that's your AR your playing with stupid. I just would not chance it personally but I still have use for my right hand, I'm married :D
Op thanks for posting, I am glad you are also ok. The Noveske Pig directs the pressure outward so if I did run a setup like that I would be using that MD, and even then it would have to be on an SBR and if it benefitted my team in a CQC situation, otherwise I do not see an advantage to that MD or setup (tucking the MD like that)
RearwardAssist
07-18-13, 20:01
If I get this right, you took it off your duty weapon, and tried it out on the 11.5" to see how it would do, and this was the result? Or did I miss something along the way?
If that is for your duty weapon, that is rough.
From the way I understand he has a personally owned 16" he was using for his duty weapon to avoid using the DRMO Vietnam era weapons supplied by his department.
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise...
But hey, thanks for sharing, it may prevent others from reproducing the same events, well some of them anyways.
This was a build I had been playing with when I bought an 11.5" bcm barrel during the panic. I pieced it together with parts laying around and was waiting on a good deal on a 9" or 11" rail. My duty rifle is a 16" bcm upper I bought without rails and was using this rail on it until yesterday.
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My duty rifle is a 16" bcm upper I bought without rails and was using this rail on it until yesterday.
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PM me at your convenience, hold off on doing anything else until you do please. I just a message on an answering machine, and am waiting to hear back on something.
Curious as to what comp that is on the muzzle?
That is amazing.
BCM Mod 0? Mod 1?
Curious as to what comp that is on the muzzle?
BCM
Yeah this (pic of my BCM comp) hitting that Fortis may (obvuously did) do some damage:
http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac279/jaxman7/0571e719-7a70-43de-8ac1-6c4f9e72801e_zps25cfc394.jpg (http://s907.photobucket.com/user/jaxman7/media/0571e719-7a70-43de-8ac1-6c4f9e72801e_zps25cfc394.jpg.html)
Nobody blow that statement out of proportion saying that I think it was just that comp that did it and if he'd used something else this wouldn't have happened.;)
-Jax
It can be done but you should use a handguard designed for it such as the one Warsport uses in their LVOA
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb244/a996hawk/970E7CAC-F2B4-4648-B3BC-633341547099-22182-000008B0CE45A158_zpsd12fbcb6.jpg
I understand that the OP did this as a temporary setup, but I just can't fathom why anyone would do this on purpose as shown above? WTH?
It looks like you could pull some nails with it.
...I still have use for my right hand, I'm married...
Oh, I could have some fun with that! But I don't want to derail anything- wait- burgeman did that with in the first post! :jester:
Good that you hand was not there. Another reason for a hand stop. The levangs not bad, I had one on a 12.5 barrel. I didn't want to be blasting people next to me.
Grand58742
07-19-13, 03:04
Oh, I could have some fun with that! But I don't want to derail anything- wait- burgeman did that with in the first post! :jester:
Punny guy you are.
And I'm not sure your comment would have derailed this train wreck. :jester:
warsports LVOA is the least recoil of any 556 gun I have ever shot. if I remember correctly it also runs a 12.5 inch midlength system. The BC/rail combo also contributes to the extreme light recoil
How does the rail contribute to reducing recoil?
I understand that the OP did this as a temporary setup, but I just can't fathom why anyone would do this on purpose as shown above? WTH?
If I remember correctly it had something to do with assisting with flash control when using NV.
Interesting to see Warsport doing this. I'd imagine the vented gas pushes the muzzle device down and rail up, like driving a wedge between the top of the barrel and rail. I wonder how this affects accuracy. Anything mounted right on top could get pretty hot, too.
Just emailed them back. I will PM you
Holy crap. Wow. Now my OCD is kicking in and making me think of moving my WML's back a few slots. Although I guess a flash hider wouldn't be as bad as a comp/brake for this.
Is it all taken care of?
This is just awesome. Way to step up Stick.
How does the rail contribute to reducing recoil?
not the rail itself but the BC inside the rail. im not very knowledgeable on the LVOA so maybe someone who is can chine in. I do know that it is like a freaking laser rifle, literally I have shot 22lr's with more recoil.
Just emailed them back. I will PM you
I'm interested with this brand, do you recommend it, despite this incident?
still struggling with either Fortis or Centurion.
glad your safe btw
This is just awesome. Way to step up Stick.
Me? I'm a nobody, I was just wondering. I would doubt anything I could do would make much difference....
not the rail itself but the BC inside the rail. im not very knowledgeable on the LVOA so maybe someone who is can chine in. I do know that it is like a freaking laser rifle, literally I have shot 22lr's with more recoil.
Yeah I get that. I just couldn't figure out how the 'barrel/rail combo' reduced recoil.
skullworks
07-20-13, 08:12
I was in Copenhagen, Denmark, and shot the IPSC Danish Open Rifle back in June. One of the competitors from Spain, Mr. Alvaro deOrleans, ran a quite short carbine (I believe a 12.5") with a BCM and a Troy rail that pretty much covered all of the ports of the brake. You can see him at the 11:24 mark in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4XmzG8CsZh8#t=684s), as well as in these pictures (1 (http://www.classictarget.dk/upl/website/gallery1123/IMG313220.jpg), 2 (http://www.classictarget.dk/upl/website/gallery1123/IMG313320.jpg), and 3 (http://www.classictarget.dk/upl/website/gallery1123/IMG313520.jpg),) from ClassicTarget.dk's gallery (http://www.classictarget.dk/gallery1123).
As far as I know Mr. deOrleans didn't have the same problem as the TS (or he didn't have it at that match I should say,) but at the same time having a rail or tube that shields the comp will restrict the gas flow thus impeding the benefit of having a comp to begin with. You would probably be better off using an A2 FH if you want "that" look - still not saying it's a good idea though.
Me? I'm a nobody, I was just wondering.
Well we already know that for heavens sake. Now have you finished cleaning your room and taking out the trash yet? If not then you can't have that shiny new camera we just got so you don't give up on that fun little hobby of yours.
:D
hotrodder636
07-20-13, 08:59
Me? I'm a nobody, I was just wondering. I would doubt anything I could do would make much difference....
That sounds like the understatement of the year!
Well if you'll all excuse me, I'm going to go back my weaponlight another rail notch away from my battlecomp.
Just wanted to let everyone know about the awesome customer service provided to me by Paul at Fortis Mfg. I was contacted by Paul yesterday in regards to the thread here. Paul stated that he was informed of this disaster I caused by Stickman (huge thanks to Stick for putting his name on the line for me) and wanted to replace the rail for me, as long as I didn't put the muzzle inside the rail again. Paul was very helpful and related that he wanted to do everything he could to help get my duty rifle back up and running.
I can not believe the customer service that was provided to me, Paul went above and beyond what I ever expected of a company especially when I was the one that caused the rail to fail. Fortis has earned a customer for life and I am truly appreciative of what they have provided me. I want to thank Stickman for putting his name out there for me, even without knowing one thing about me. I also can not thank Paul at Fortis enough for being so helpful.
This really is an awesome community we have here. Nice to see stuff like this.
richdkim77
07-21-13, 16:34
Nice! You blew up your rail, but they still replaced it. That kind of customer service is above and beyond. Well done Fortis.
This really is an awesome community we have here. Nice to see stuff like this.
This is one thing I've seen-and personally experienced- many times. As a whole there is no better customer service in any industry than the firearms industry.
Bravo to Stick and Fortis.
-Jax
This is one thing I've seen-and personally experienced- many times. As a whole there is no better customer service in any industry than the firearms industry.
Bravo to Stick and Fortis.
-Jax
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Just wanted to let everyone know about the awesome customer service provided to me by Paul at Fortis Mfg. I was contacted by Paul yesterday in regards to the thread here. Paul stated that he was informed of this disaster I caused by Stickman (huge thanks to Stick for putting his name on the line for me) and wanted to replace the rail for me, as long as I didn't put the muzzle inside the rail again. Paul was very helpful and related that he wanted to do everything he could to help get my duty rifle back up and running.
I can not believe the customer service that was provided to me, Paul went above and beyond what I ever expected of a company especially when I was the one that caused the rail to fail. Fortis has earned a customer for life and I am truly appreciative of what they have provided me. I want to thank Stickman for putting his name out there for me, even without knowing one thing about me. I also can not thank Paul at Fortis enough for being so helpful.
this kind of customer service is really swaying me away from Centurion.;)
DocHolliday01
07-22-13, 01:40
Okay, I'll chalk this up as a "yeah figured so" for a hopeful future SBR owner.
Which does kind of bring a question. I know inside the rails is obviously off limits (pretty much knew this before), but what kind of clearance is necessary for a rail system if I went a gas block route? More than likely with the BCM Gunfighter comp? Nine inch tube on a 11.5 inch barrel okay?
I run an 11 Troy on an 11.5 BCM barrel. No problems for me.
What does Centurion Arms have to do with it? It's not their issue. Have you had any interaction with Centurion Arms?
this kind of customer service is really swaying me away from Centurion.;)
richdkim77
07-22-13, 02:02
I run an 11 Troy on an 11.5 BCM barrel. No problems for me.
It was all about that extra inch of clearance apparently.
What does Centurion Arms have to do with it? It's not their issue. Have you had any interaction with Centurion Arms?
its an on-going decision I can't make for myself. Last week I'm decided to go with Centurion Arms, then I read this GREAT customer service, and I'm swayed to take my business with Fortis.
Both great products. I just can't pull the trigger on which. But that's off topic already.:D
That's just crazy. And hey, I'll admit to it. I wouldn't have thought the pressure would have been enough to do something like that.
skywalkrNCSU
07-22-13, 20:53
Wow, I had no idea you would get that much pressure, thanks for sharing, it definitely might save a hand or two (or at the very least another rail...)
Seems like my little picture has become quite a topic, found it on Wilson combat's facebook page. As well as a local message board I frequent.
...and Facebook.
quite a celebrity.
good thing the Kardashians are not involved. :D
Seems like my little picture has become quite a topic, found it on Wilson combat's facebook page. As well as a local message board I frequent.
I must confess, I posted it on a local shooter forum here where I am to show some that are tending to really stretch those rails out how they need to be careful how they do it.. Sorry to borrow, but thanks again for sharing! :smile:
It can be done but you should use a handguard designed for it such as the one Warsport uses in their LVOA
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb244/a996hawk/970E7CAC-F2B4-4648-B3BC-633341547099-22182-000008B0CE45A158_zpsd12fbcb6.jpg
from the LVOA Website.
The LVOA Solution:
The LVOA AR design fills the gap in SBR requirements (…Keep it Short) and eliminates the need for a Suppressor for flash reduction purposes. The LVOA AR is a Go loud, Go fast SBR.
In late 2010 we grabbed John Boyette from TAG (Trace Armory Group) and spent some time on the range and the lab studying the philosophy behind the SBR and its intended purpose before we took the plunge to invest time and expense in the LVOA AR R&D effort. After some study we found that the best way to tackle the inherit issues of a SBR we had to provide a “full” muzzle brake to control muzzle climb thanks to the Battlecomp Enterprises BC2.0. Secondly we had to encompass a “flash” hider that would surround the gasses from the muzzle brake report, this is where the LVOA Rail was born.
After spending many months developing the rail for testing that provided results further testing found there was much more to be done to better manage the unspent gasses at the muzzle without having to design around specific ammo. The need was to be able to get results from any round fired from the LVOA AR. In 2012 a completed and repeatable solution was nailed down that reduced flash to almost nothing regardless of the ammo type. During the ammo testing phase there was ammo that produced flash due to low cost powder and air density, but the LVOA Rail managed to re-shape the flash keeping it away from the sight plane.
After completing the 12.0” LVOA –S (SBR) solution the demand for a non-NFA version quickly emerged from customers. The original release was pushed out to accommodate a 14.5” version (LVOA –C) with a pinned and welded BC 1.5 muzzle brake with an over-all length of 16.25” Although the dwell-time is longer than the LVOA –S it performs like the LVOA –S model. Both models feature the “Boyette” Wire Cutter, “Crossbow” muzzle suspension support and the Rail Bungee.
http://lvoa.us/?page_id=42
This is one thing I've seen-and personally experienced- many times. As a whole there is no better customer service in any industry than the firearms industry.
Bravo to Stick and Fortis.
-Jax
Glad to hear of the positive outcome. Reinforces my choice to go with the new Fortis rail! Thanks to this community for looking out for one another.
Saw this on Facebook...glad your ok
At least you did not get hurt! I'd imagine the rail could probably be saved by cutting it down some. :confused:
NeoNeanderthal
07-29-13, 09:18
Thats awesome fortis is taking care of you. Not only is it a decent thing to do but it is good business. M4Carbine.net is a great community and people are always willing to help. I always see people posting things like , "thinking of trying this x" and someone else is like "i never use mine, ill mail it to you. Whats your address?" or offering to lend out tools! on the internet! Friggen awesome.
Your story touches my heart, they should make it into a lifetime movie.
In all seriousness your scary experience has taught many of us an interesting lesson. Learning from others mistakes is the cheap way to do it.
Slvr Surfr
08-02-13, 03:10
Stick,
You rock!
azoutdoorsman
08-13-13, 03:47
1. Rails keep getting longer and longer, and closer to the muzzle. Dumb. The MK18 RIS2 puts the end of the rail so close to the muzzle, I was afraid one day I'd lose a body part. I now have a renewed affection for a fixed FSB to index against without looking.
2. OP, you should still pay Fortis for the new rail they are sending you. It is not their fault you destroyed their product, and while some may see this as customer service, I see it as setting an expectation for manufacturers to pay for end-user's **** ups.
3. Is this how Magpul invented the AFG? The shape and angle look similar.
4. No. 3 was a joke, in case someone thought I was serious.
1. Rails keep getting longer and longer, and closer to the muzzle. Dumb. The MK18 RIS2 puts the end of the rail so close to the muzzle, I was afraid one day I'd lose a body part. I now have a renewed affection for a fixed FSB to index against without looking.
2. OP, you should still pay Fortis for the new rail they are sending you. It is not their fault you destroyed their product, and while some may see this as customer service, I see it as setting an expectation for manufacturers to pay for end-user's **** ups.
3. Is this how Magpul invented the AFG? The shape and angle look similar.
4. No. 3 was a joke, in case someone thought I was serious.
Long rails are dumb because you don't like them, and Fortis being nice somehow offends you as well.
Right.
1. Rails keep getting longer and longer, and closer to the muzzle. Dumb. The MK18 RIS2 puts the end of the rail so close to the muzzle, I was afraid one day I'd lose a body part. I now have a renewed affection for a fixed FSB to index against without looking.
I agree. I have long felt that real men use muscle over physics and leverage to achieve tasks quickly and accurately. I, too, have trouble keeping body-parts clear of the muzzle. This is why I don't use pistols.
2. OP, you should still pay Fortis for the new rail they are sending you. It is not their fault you destroyed their product, and while some may see this as customer service, I see it as setting an expectation for manufacturers to pay for end-user's **** ups.
I agree. This is also why I have began donating to the IRS above my current tax obligation. Many view this as a chore or something to avoid, but we all own a part of the national debt, and I'm going to handle mine! Here's to responsibility, brother! AMEN!
3. Is this how Magpul invented the AFG? The shape and angle look similar.
4. No. 3 was a joke, in case someone thought I was serious.
So were my last two responses.
Well, it takes all kinds, I guess.
2. OP, you should still pay Fortis for the new rail they are sending you. It is not their fault you destroyed their product, and while some may see this as customer service, I see it as setting an expectation for manufacturers to pay for end-user's **** ups.
Wow, way to hate...
azoutdoorsman
08-13-13, 09:00
Long rails are dumb because you don't like them, and Fortis being nice somehow offends you as well.
Right.
Please quote my text where it says that Fortis being nice offended me.
I understand that they wanted to get this guy's rifle operational because it is his duty rifle. I also understand that replacing the rail gratis is great PR.
However, doing this when there is clear negligence sets a precedent, and eliminates accountability from the end user.
azoutdoorsman
08-13-13, 09:04
Well, it takes all kinds, I guess.
Do you hold your pistols with the support hand around the slide and over the front sight, with your fingers dangerously close to the muzzle? That would be synonymous.
Your IRS metaphor is not equivalent. Please quote where I said OP should pay over retail for the rail he destroyed.
If I crash my car, should Audi replace it for free?
skijunkie55
08-13-13, 09:24
If I crash my car, should Audi replace it for free?
http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1782956.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Red%20Audi%20TT%20that%20crashed%20into%20a%20house%20in%20Suffolk-1782956.jpg
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lowestoft-embedded-car-audi-tt-1910433
If they mistakenly gave you their flying version prototype...
Then yes.
:D
HalliganJoel
08-13-13, 09:36
Lesson learned for me! Glad you aren't hurt. You can still salvage that rail !
Ah, that's cute on how the Audi's try procreating....
http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1782956.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Red%20Audi%20TT%20that%20crashed%20into%20a%20house%20in%20Suffolk-1782956.jpg
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lowestoft-embedded-car-audi-tt-1910433
GUNSLINGER733
10-14-13, 23:02
I'll give you $30 for what's left off rail or send it to me and ill machine it for you
glad I saw this I am looking at getting a longer rail for my pistol.
Woe this is an old thread but I've seen someone do something similar to their scout light mounting it on an SBR and their light was out of commission. The blast/concussion from the flash hider is pretty amazing. I also know someone that shot a few rounds over the hood of their newish truck. It needed a new paint job on the hood afterwards....
This doesn't really belong here, but I will take this as a "related" opportunity for a PSA that might save someone some fingers down the road........
This is very closely related to why you never grip a revolver near the chamber. Lots of pressure there just as in this case.
Glad you weren't hurt OP.....cheap lesson I would say, it could have been far worse, especially on such a short rifle.
Edit: I hate it when I respond to a walking dead thread. Doh.
Bravest. Post. Ever.
Thank you, bergeman, for having the bawlz to post your 'range report.' I must admit, I braced for several pages of ridicule, but the members of this board proved that hypothesis incorrect.
Professionals live here, and we're in the right place.
...back to lurking...and learning.
I'm glad you're ok man. That could have been much worse. If all you lost is a rail and not your hand then you win. And that is a great pic btw, made me laugh lol.
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