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Looking for some options on hard (plastic, metal) water bottles, as well as carriage on gear (shooting loadout, pack).
I love camelback style water bladders- I think they're the next best thing since sharpened steel and gunpowder, BUT I have been doing some reading lately and it has occured to me that maybe they're not quite the be all- end all to water storage in the great outdoors, and maybe I should consider the addition of something more traditional.
It seems sometimes it can be easier to purify natural water with these, as they can hold hot water (like with a stacked cup ICW the bottle https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=114195), or be boiled in and of themselves if needed. Can't do that with a bladder...
For hard bottles, here are some thoughts and concerns I am having;
I like the Nalgene type (32 oz, widemouth http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/MAXPEDITION-32-oz-Wide-Mouth-Nalgene-Bottle-76p468.htm)- cheap, and from what I've read about as indestructible as a plastic bottle can get. Doesn't hold odors.
Can get a CapCap (http://www.humangear.com/capcap/) to make use easier, while keeping the widemouth.
Cons- not very heat resistant, still ****ing (did the swear filter work?:p) plastic. Maybe not so good in cold weather, being plastic?
The oldschool USGI style canteens are pretty sweet as you can get them with the little metal cup-thingy so you can heat water and stuff.
Speaking of which, dose anyone have a good source to buy them complete like that, where they're not mauled to death or filled with 300 year old swamp water? USGI stuff makes me leery...
Dislikes- still plastic, narrow mouth is narrow... sucks for cleaning or inserting stuff. Holds odors[?]. Same other concerns as Nalgene.
Apparently Nalgene makes one (http://store.nalgene.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=27).
Seems it's compatible with the USGI canteen cup, so I guess it's about the same size too.
Metal bottles- Have seen some recomendations for Klean Kanteen. Apparently their 40oz (http://www.kleankanteen.com/products/wide/klean-kanteen-40oz-wide.php) is about the same size as a Naglene 32oz. Their 27oz. looks interesting as well, as a daily or BB bottle.
A little more expensive (ok, like 3x more...) than the Nalgene/USGI offerings, BUT if they're that awesome, I'll take em'. AND there's currently a 20% off sale...
Apparently these can also be boiled by themselves if need be as well.
Cons- it's metal. Makes loud noises. Freezing in cold weather?
That's what I saw for bottle options that looked interesting, and have carriage options readily avilable.
Speaking of carriage options;
Want the ability to mount whatever hard bottle I go with to MOLLE.
Seeing a bit of a trend in this area, and there's 4 options I'm liking;
>Maxpedition 10x4 Bottle Holder (http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/10-x-4-Bottle-Holder-7p574.htm)
>Hazard 4 Jelly Roll (http://hazard4.com/products/accessories/slr-pouches/jelly-roll)
>HSGI Nalgene Pouch (http://www.skdtac.com/HSGI-Nalgene-Pouch-Modular-p/hsg.214.htm)
>Maxpedition USGI 1Qt Canteen Pouch (http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/1-QT-USGI-CANTEEN-POUCH-7p999.htm)
Concerns- pouches with rounded backs seem like they'd roll back and forth a lot when full and moving.
Sagging? Especially if the bottle doesn't fit the pouch exactly, or if all molle loops aren't engaged (like mounted to a battle belt).
Narrow MALICE attachment points- yay for there being two straps, but so close together, AND with a rounded back on some options? Hmmm....
Not sure if HSGI option is big enough for 32/40oz. Nalgenen/KK offerings?
Saw HSGI's newest offering their "Soft Taco" that can fit a 32oz. metal bottle. First USGI taco pouch I've liked, and would be good for BB use, BUT the 27/32. oz metal bottles in that style may be to tall, versus a USGI canteen, or standard Nalgene, and again, concerns with rolling/flopping/sagging.
Considering a USGI for BB use, as it's a little shorter (albeit, wide).
What to do....
What options are you guys using for bottles and MOLLE attachment that works?
I didn't know whether to put this here or in Tactical gear, so....
SeriousStudent
07-30-13, 21:59
I go with a Kleen Kanteen and a Maxped bottle holder.
I can boil water if need be, and they are really easy to sterilize and get the moldy funk out of. Too many plastic water bottles turn into science experiments.
For bladders, I use Source, they cost a bit more but stay clean, and I can dump a lot of ice in them. Very handy down here in a Texas summer, or as I refer to it, Satan's Waiting Room.
Orig Nalgene wide mouth (milky white) with cap-cap. Glacier SS nesting cup for boiling, in a 5.11 nalgene pouch. (closeout item)
The pouch has some external molle as well, not suitable for mags but ideal for small sheath knife or leatherman, etc.
With some 1 liter platypus bladders to round that out for my working water supply
Won't go into all the details, but these are my new pack/vehicle survival kit. (contents stored in bottle till needed in zip/allocs)
---sent from my PRC-104 using phonetics
I'm a fan of Klean Kanteen, and while they are similar in size to the standard Nalgene, they are not the same. The third-party drinking insert for the mouth does not fit. I would stick with the Klean Kanteen coffee lid for drinking, but there is also another third-party one that supposedly works well but I forget the name now.
The Capcap I had leaked so I gave it up.
I've seen a couple others now, but most notably Hydro Flask. It may be worth a look.
I fill my Camel back before a trip but don't store any water in it. I use 32oz Nalgene bottles in addition to a full CB and also an aluminum 24 oz bottle with 3" diameter to heat the water in on this Vargo alcohol stove -
http://www.vargooutdoors.com/titanium-decagon-alcohol-backpacking-stove.html#.UfkN5aywU8w
with this windscreen, the bottle will fit right down inside on top of the stove and will boil a full bottle of water per stove filling. it's available in either titanium or stainless steel but I have the Ti one as it only weighs 4 oz -
http://www.vargooutdoors.com/hexagon-backpacking-wood-stove.html#.UfkO8aywU8w
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For bladders, I use Source, they cost a bit more but stay clean, and I can dump a lot of ice in them. Very handy down here in a Texas summer, or as I refer to it, Satan's Waiting Room.
Yup- that's what's on the way.
Which KK are you using with the max. bottle pouch? 40oz in the 10x4?
Orig Nalgene wide mouth (milky white) with cap-cap. Glacier SS nesting cup for boiling, in a 5.11 nalgene pouch. (closeout item)
The pouch has some external molle as well, not suitable for mags but ideal for small sheath knife or leatherman, etc.
With some 1 liter platypus bladders to round that out for my working water supply
Won't go into all the details, but these are my new pack/vehicle survival kit. (contents stored in bottle till needed in zip/allocs)
---sent from my PRC-104 using phonetics
Yeah, as far as Molle/Pouches on the bottle holders- frankly, I don't really care- I'm not going to be sticking anything to them so, if I could find a low profile one that would seem to work, that wouldbe on the list as well.
That being said, I'm ok w/ Maxped's extra pocket. I'm sure I'll find something to put in there....:D
Slightly off topic- how small do those platypus bottle/pouches roll up?
Can they be used with water purification tablets/liquids?
Thinking that might make a better addition to a different set of kit than this: http://www.survivalresources.com/Products/Aqua_Pouch.html or a condom....:bad:
I'm a fan of Klean Kanteen, and while they are similar in size to the standard Nalgene, they are not the same. The third-party drinking insert for the mouth does not fit. I would stick with the Klean Kanteen coffee lid for drinking, but there is also another third-party one that supposedly works well but I forget the name now.
The Capcap I had leaked so I gave it up.
I've seen a couple others now, but most notably Hydro Flask. It may be worth a look.
I'm ok with the capcap not fitting the KK stuff- PITA, but not a huge deal. Would be an "immediate add" if I go with a Nalgene though.
Looked at Hydro Flask's website- apparently double wall vacuum insulated- so.... does it actually hold the amount stated, or is it like a thermos where the internal space is much less?
Or are they just bigger to compensate? Looking at KK's standard Widemouths, versus their Insulated types, the insulated is much taller for a smaller Oz. size. (granted, narrower, but...). Hydro Flask seems a lot taller as well, for their 40oz. Vs. KK's 40.
photosniper
07-31-13, 21:58
My two cents. I carry a standard plastic Nalgene and a stainless steel Nalgene while backpacking. The stainless bottle is used for filtering water, either by Steripen or by boiling. The plastic Nalgene only gets treated water and that is what I drink from. Since I dip my stainless bottle in creeks and such to get water for treating, the outside is contaminated so I don't drink directly from it.
My bottles fit in my backpack so I don't have dedicated holders but I suggest you check out Hill People Gear for a bottle holder. Probably some of the best available. Have a Hazzard Jelly roll, great camera lens case but not very practical for a water bottle.
My two cents. I carry a standard plastic Nalgene and a stainless steel Nalgene while backpacking. The stainless bottle is used for filtering water, either by Steripen or by boiling. The plastic Nalgene only gets treated water and that is what I drink from. Since I dip my stainless bottle in creeks and such to get water for treating, the outside is contaminated so I don't drink directly from it.
My bottles fit in my backpack so I don't have dedicated holders but I suggest you check out Hill People Gear for a bottle holder. Probably some of the best available. Have a Hazzard Jelly roll, great camera lens case but not very practical for a water bottle.
good call on keeping dip bottles separate from drinking bottles (why don't we have a thumbs up smilie???)...
I use kleen kanteen bottles as well. They are great.
My EDC bag always has a 20 Oz. insulated KK bottle as well as a 200 Oz. Camel back.
I keep a 40 oz non-insulated KK bottle in every vehicle with an extra cap that has been modified. I spray paint the KK 40 Oz. bottles black and modify the cap so I can utilize the set-up as a solar water distiller. It can also be dropped into the fire to distill water as long as care is taken to protect the lid/tubes used for distilling from the fire/heat.
Can't beat the KK bottles as far as quality is concerned in my opinion. I've carried the first one I got years ago when they first came out every day (Literally every day) and it is beat up from the abuse I have put it through but holding strong.
I also made a foldable nylon bag (2.5 Gallons) for dipping into streams to transport dirty water with so as not to infect my drinking bottles.
The bag has several other uses as well- some I'm sure I have not thought of yet.
I snared a trout in it once out of pure luck and timing when one was swimming close by and the opportunity presented itself.
My two cents. I carry a standard plastic Nalgene and a stainless steel Nalgene while backpacking. The stainless bottle is used for filtering water, either by Steripen or by boiling. The plastic Nalgene only gets treated water and that is what I drink from. Since I dip my stainless bottle in creeks and such to get water for treating, the outside is contaminated so I don't drink directly from it.
My bottles fit in my backpack so I don't have dedicated holders but I suggest you check out Hill People Gear for a bottle holder. Probably some of the best available. Have a Hazzard Jelly roll, great camera lens case but not very practical for a water bottle.
If you're boiling, you'd be able to drink from the "dirty" bottle. But that is a good process to use one for "dirty water" and one for clean. If both look the same, then marking them "dirty/clean" would be wise.
JB, have you taken a look at this bottle holder?: http://www.skdtac.com/ITS-Skeletonized-Bottle-Holder-p/its.126.htm
I've got one and it works great. It doesn't have space/pouches for other survival items like Maxpedition or others do, but it's very lightweight and holds the bottle secure. You mentioned that you don't like the thought of your bottle flopping around, so I will say that this system allows a little "play" from side to side, but it's really not a big deal in my opinion. YMMV.
Btw...the Platypus bottles would be much better than the plastic bags that you linked. Very lightweight and virtually bombproof...I've got one of the smaller models rolled up in my "pocket survival kit"
Yeah, I've seen the ITS holder- it's a little to "skeletonized" for what I want.
Definitely going to check out Platy. They have some interesting things...:D
Hard bottle, think I'm going to go with Maxped. holder[s], and just do the "one of each" on the bottles and see what I like.
Kleen Kanteen and Nalgene for me.
If buying any Nalgene product, it's almost always cheaper to buy it directly from Nalgene as they offer free shipping and lower prices.
http://store.nalgene.com
photosniper
08-14-13, 22:50
If you're boiling, you'd be able to drink from the "dirty" bottle. But that is a good process to use one for "dirty water" and one for clean. If both look the same, then marking them "dirty/clean" would be wise.
absolutely correct, I just prefer not to get into the habit of drinking out of the stainless bottle so I don't screw up and drink untreated water.
One think I forgot to add is that on extended backpacking trips I always carry an empty camelbak bladder (or the like) for times when water is scarce or it gets especially hot. The empty bladder weighs next to nothing and takes up little space but offers 1.5 or 3L extra carry capacity if needed. Am going to experiment with the Vapur line of bottles too.
domestique
08-31-13, 04:33
At work/Gym: Kleen Kanteen 40oz
Backpcking:
1 Camelbak/Source 100L bladder,
1 Nalgene to boil if needed (walter filter attched directly to it)
1 MSR Dromedary (6L) For use back at camp "cooking"
1 metal cup (used as plate and could boil water over coals)
Grand58742
09-05-13, 14:26
I tend to do a mix and match. Water bladder and hard bottle. I haven't used the Kleen Kanteen so I can't speak to the use.
But what I have found is carrying a small pot to heat water like this:
http://www.rei.com/product/708071/snow-peak-titanium-trek-700-mug
It nests under my Nalgene bottle inside of a Camelbak pouch:
http://shop.camelbak.com/camelbak-bottle-pouch/d/1180_cl_1308
But the Maxpedition 10x4 works pretty good as well. Actually, might work a bit better since the cup is harder to get out of the Camelbak pouch than the Maxpedition. And the spare pouch on the outside gives you room for purification or an Esbit stove if you carry one.
And for the Nalgene bottle, I'd suggest using the splash guard instead of the larger mouth:
http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___80939
Simple, cheap and works like a champ. Been using one for a few years now and zero problems.
I'm a huge fan of nesting cups and bottles. I used to use a standard GI canteen and cup, but ounces are pounds and the cup is stainless IIRC. But no doubt about it, it's darn near impossible to break one without driving over it with a car. But overall with the measuring index points on a Nalgene bottle, I found it easier to measure water for freeze dried meals rather than guesswork.
Also, if I'm out and about, I find it easier to filter water into the bottle or canteen and transfer it over to the bladder, so I carry both. I've tried the filtration into the bladder and it's neither easy or fun. Plus the bottle is a good pre-measured item for purification tabs if you use them. Fill the bottle and drop in the tab if you're on the move.
Almost comes down to choice. For me when it comes to utility, I find the Nalgene style with a nested cooking cup is hard to beat.
The really nice thing about a Camel type is being able to drink when moving. Once I tried one back packing I was sold. I carry a hard bottle as well though.
I prefer flasks to bottles and canteens, my fav one is Dark Souls from Bonfire https://g4sky.net/dark-souls---bonfire-designer-flask/ . I don't like carrying big volumes of water or whatever, but I understand people who don't like flasks, it is just a question of personal taste.
I'm a huge fan of nesting cups and bottles. I used to use a standard GI canteen and cup, but ounces are pounds and the cup is stainless IIRC. But no doubt about it, it's darn near impossible to break one without driving over it with a car. But overall with the measuring index points on a Nalgene bottle, I found it easier to measure water for freeze dried meals rather than guesswork.
Also, if I'm out and about, I find it easier to filter water into the bottle or canteen and transfer it over to the bladder, so I carry both. I've tried the filtration into the bladder and it's neither easy or fun. Plus the bottle is a good pre-measured item for purification tabs if you use them. Fill the bottle and drop in the tab if you're on the move.
Almost comes down to choice. For me when it comes to utility, I find the Nalgene style with a nested cooking cup is hard to beat.
Pretty close to my approach. White nalgene, Ti cup, platy bladders for bulk. But I'm not wearing tac vests.
I first started using bladders late 70's with VN surplus 5 qt bladder canteens.
I filter into, cook from, and largely drink from white nalgenes w nesting cup. Standardized on wide mth, and have flip tops, narrow screw tops, and filter plugs to fit. Plus I can stuff them with survival kit items to keep in vehicles, etc.
Clear nalgenes are tough but can break when cold. Stainless dents/splits when dropped or frozen. Seen both, all you need is a bunch of scouts to see how to break a water container. White nalgenes are the toughest. Plus just easy to put in the dishwasher or clean manually.
Yep, know all the ways CamelBak bladders can be used, cleaned, etc. Benefit not worth the hassle for me. But would be different in tac situations. Non bladders slosh and take space when empty. All tradeoffs.
I prefer flasks to bottles and canteens, my fav one is Dark Souls from Bonfire https://g4sky.net/dark-souls---bonfire-designer-flask/ . I don't like carrying big volumes of water or whatever, but I understand people who don't like flasks, it is just a question of personal taste.Yeah buddy, that's the ticket! Carry 8-9 of them to get a typical *minimum* water load. :)
Plain ol' nalgene bottle in a tactical tailor nalgene holder.
More than a liter? Msr dromendary bag.
daddyusmaximus
02-10-19, 11:34
The oldschool USGI style canteens are pretty sweet as you can get them with the little metal cup-thingy so you can heat water and stuff.
Kids these days...
Damn, you make me feel so old.
zombiescometh
02-10-19, 15:20
Camelbak chute stainless which from experience with other brands has the only lid that’s easy to drink from and doesn’t leak.
Geigerrig hydration bladder ever since trying the pressurized system I’m spoiled now. Would like to see a similar antibacterial features that the source has though.
Vapur eclipse foldable water bottle if I need space savings otherwise nalgene.
Haven’t used it but has some nice options
http://www.ridgeroller.com/product/hydro-flask-holder-storage-bag/
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Since I dip my stainless bottle in creeks and such to get water for treating, the outside is contaminated so I don't drink directly from it.
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On a similar note, a semi stiff pouch (MRE pouches work well) can be carried along and used as a dipper. Learned that was handy the first time I was using a Sawyer squeeze filter in a shallow creek because the dirty water bags are a pain to fill via dunking or dipping due to the small opening.
Do you guys know of a water bottle pouch that attaches by any means other that MOLLE? I’m looking for a pouch to attach to the side of my Arcteryx bag and all I can find is MOLLE pouches.
ETA: I just realized I read your question incorrectly. However pick any pouch and use the Dynema and make loops, shackles, slings as needed. You can loop through the Molle but attach to whatever your pack has.
Hydrapack Seeker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST9cYXItZm4
That and a hank of Dynema should do it.
Just make a few loops or buy them
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Evo-loops-8-inch-continous-shackle-loops-carabiner-replacement/283447833860?hash=item41feceb504:m:mbb3sW3Xw7v9aPNvXmVpd7w
That guy will make you any kind of dynema loop, sling, whatever that you want. Just email him. Here is his Youtube channel
Super easy loop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV335095AcQ
If I am staying near potable water, any (2) 32oz SS vacuum bottle from a good brand, price wins here.
When I'm out an about near water, 2 32 oz plastic Nalgene, with the Sawyer squeeze filter system and 2 64 oz water collection bags.
Do you guys know of a water bottle pouch that attaches by any means other that MOLLE? I’m looking for a pouch to attach to the side of my Arcteryx bag and all I can find is MOLLE pouches.
https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/en/water-bottle-parka-1/p/2426960001222
I have an older Nalgene brand that is functionally the same as that (at about a third of the cost) but their current model indicates having an elastic belt loop because everyone wants 2lbs of water bungee jumping with every step.
teufelhund1918
10-23-19, 05:43
I just picked up one of the BCB Crusader Cook Systems that has a plastic hard water bottle, cup, small cook pot and stove in one set. Haven't used it yet, but it has good reviews on line and seems to be a good functional piece of gear. The stove utilizes an alcohol based fuel jel, but I imagine you can use about any fuel tab with it. Haven't gotten a carrier yet, but I'm looking at finding one of the US made Molle style pouches that will fit this set. Anyone else have experience with this particular one?
I'm a fan of Klean Kanteen, and while they are similar in size to the standard Nalgene, they are not the same. The third-party drinking insert for the mouth does not fit. I would stick with the Klean Kanteen coffee lid for drinking, but there is also another third-party one that supposedly works well but I forget the name now.
The Capcap I had leaked so I gave it up.
I've seen a couple others now, but most notably Hydro Flask. It may be worth a look.
I have a good impression of Klean Kanteen, and many people say it is a good water bottle. But I have been using the HydroFlask water bottle all the time. One of my water bottles has been used for more than three years, and its insulation is still very good, which is amazing. I use my experience to assure you that the hydroflask hard water bottle (https://www.gearhunder.com/hydro-flask-review/) will not disappoint you.：dirol：
I have a couple of options for water. When backpacking I normally use collapsible Nalgene bottles, primarily for weight. I'm not a big fan of the Camelbak style bladders just do to pulling them in/out of a full pack can be a pain while on the trail. I did find some Nalgene replacement lids that have a Camelbak style drinking tube. They seem to work really well and have been quite pleased. Klean Kanteen makes some great products as well and I will usually use one of those will packing in some bourbon as they seal really well and the stainless steel doesn't affect the taste IMO.
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