View Full Version : mini review - NEA CCS stock
the_1iviper
07-31-13, 01:03
i've been getting alot of pm's and emails with question's about the stock so i'm going to do my best to give a mini review of it. when i saw the pics from shot 2013 of Troy's trunk monkey guns with the NEA stock i knew i wanted to try one out so i got on the pre order list.
about 6 weeks later the postman dropped off a package postmarked from canada. it was packaged very good with a simple instruction sheet. i didn't take any pics of the install but it's pretty basic. the buffer tube threads come pre wrapped with a blue thread locking tape. after removing your buffer tube assembly and buffer retainer and spring just screw in the new receiver extension/stock knuckle. i have my rear takedown pin hole threaded and a set screw holding the spring and detent in place , when threading the new extension/knuckle onto the receiver make sure your detent and spring are in place when you get close. this is a little easier said than done though and a good strap wrench helps out alot here. removing the buttstock and adjustment rods makes it much easier also. the instructions list a 1.5mm allen wrench is needed to remove the set screw to remove the buttstock assembly from the knuckle but mine was a 1/16" allen headed set screw.
here's the stock assembly installed
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_0398_zps1bc75a3e.jpg
the CCS stock comes with a proprietary bolt carrier to work with the shortened receiver extension. the carrier is made out of 8620 tool steel and is ARC+ nitrided and comes with a gas key in place with the screws staked. it also comes with a cut down carbine action spring. i had to clip 2 extra coils off the action spring for reliable lock back after the last round.
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to function test it i put a 7" 5.56 upper on it and headed to the range. it functioned fine with herter's steel cased , pmc bronze , fiocchi 223 , federal m193 , and privi m193. 600 rounds with no issue's. the next trip i took 10.5" and 11.5" 5.56 uppers to try out , another 500 rounds with no issues with mostly federal m193 and some mk318 mod 0. i finally found some 300blk ammo and was able to take it out last weekend and try an 8.2" noveske barreled 300blk upper with the shortened recoil system. 100 rounds of barnes 110gr supers un suppressed functioned flawless.
the test bed. 7" 5.56 upper
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_0368_zps641260bb.jpg
8.2" 300blk upper
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_0635_zpsf6989a29.jpg
after a little over 1K rounds with various upper's i've found more that i like about the stock than dislike. the cheekweld is actually pretty good , it's no sopmod but the receiver extension/stock knuckle work well for a ntch shooter. it has a sling swivel socket at the rear of the knuckle that works like a noveske endplate and i've also used the adjustment rod as a sling attachment point, no problems attaching a sling. the machine work on the knuckle and buttpad is very nice with no visible tool marks. the knuckle and buttpad are made out of 6065 t6 aluminum and are type 3 hard anodized black. the adjustment rods fit tight in the buttpad and knuckle with no slop , very solid feeling with no rattling. the adustment rods are made out of 4140 steel that's been ARC+ nitrided.
the few things i have issues with the stock system have to do with the adjustment mechanism. firstly the stock does not lock in the fully closed position as it's designed to. my stock was one of the first run so maybe NEA has caught the problem and fixed it by now. it looks as if they installed a deeper cap on the buffer tube to gain a bit more room for the action spring and it bottoms out on the buttpad when fully collapsed. this keeps the last notch in the adjustment rod from reaching the lock. it would be an easy fix by cutting a new notch into the rod at the correct point but it hasn't been an issue for me so far so i've left it alone. the rods are a pretty tight fit in the knuckle and it holds in the fully collapsed position by itself pretty well , it takes a pull on the buttpad to actually move it out a bit to the 2nd locked position on the adjustment rod. writing this review has reminded me to send NEA an email about the issue to see if they've fixed the problem now that there has been a few batches of the stock out. hopefully they've caught it and will just send me a new adjustment rod with the 1st notch in the correct position. the other thing i didn't care for at first was the "latch" to move the stock between it's positions. the latch is actually a mag release button that's been ingeniously placed into the lower rear of the stock knuckle. it's low profile and out of the way , i don't see any way for the release to be depressed accidentally. now that ive used it for a while i really like the design , this should actually be in the "like" paragraph above but at first it will seem awkward to use so i put it here. instead of grabbing a big latch and push/pulling the stock you use 1 finger on the release button and your thumb to move the rod out.
a few other things to note. i've been asked about manipulating the safety with the stock retracted as the rod is right above it and protrudes farther out from the receiver than the safety lever. it has not been an issue for me but if you have short fat digit's it might be an issue. for me even with gloves on it's not a problem with a standard lmt safety lever. the aftermarket extended safety lever's may help out here if you have problems. another thing is both the pivot pin and the takedown pin need to be pushed to remove the upper receiver. with the modified bolt carrier you can not pivot the upper receiver on the pivot pin.
the black anodized finish is different from the knuckle to the buttpad to the buffer tube. i also didn't want the rods "silver" or reflective. i refinished the knuckle and buffer tube a matte black to match the buttpad easy enough but turning those rods black was an ordeal. i'm not really sure what ARC+ nitriding is but it's tough. i tried several cold blue products for steel and none would take no matter how long it soaked in it , wouldn't touch it. i then turned to my old friend the black permanent sharpie , finally black adjustment rods. problem with the sharpie is it only lasted a couple of opening/closings. the rods and knuckle have a tight tolerance. the answer was hot oil bluing the rods.
overall the stock does a good job of shortening up an ar. my goal was to try to build an ar based pdw that was as short as my 10" sig 556 with the stock folded. with the 7" upper and stock retracted it measure's just inder 21" (20 7/8"). the 8.2" 300blk upper and stock retracted is 22" with an a2 flash hider. it would have been nice to shed a little weight also but compared to a normal m4 stock set up it's pretty much a wash.
hopefully this answer's some question's about the stock. if not and you still have questions just ask away and i'll do my best to answer them for you.
here is the 7" upper compared to the sig
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from left to right. 12.5" noveske N6 , 10" sig 556 , 7" 5.56 , 10.5 lmt , 11.5" kac
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_0610_zps4c0b0025.jpg
with the stock extended it's still shorter than the 10.5" with the stock fully retracted.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_0602_zpsba714ece.jpg
Nice review :)
How about recoil, now that the stock is no longer inline (it's parallel) with the bore?
I think it can use a better sling attachment arrangement (it doesn't appear to have any), I see your sling is looped around one of the wire stocks.
How about recoil, now that the stock is no longer inline (it's parallel) with the bore?
Stock is still in-line with the bore, nothing changes. It is about how butt of the stock is positioned in relation to barrel bore, not about having continuous (straight line) structure, in-line with bore. Look at Magpul UBR - when extended, there is also "gap" between buffer tube and butt plate section.
the_1iviper
07-31-13, 20:51
Nice review :)
How about recoil, now that the stock is no longer inline (it's parallel) with the bore?
I think it can use a better sling attachment arrangement (it doesn't appear to have any), I see your sling is looped around one of the wire stocks.
thanks , no noticeable difference with the 5.56 upper's that i could tell. difference's in cheekweld/comfort yes but not perceived recoil. maybe what montrala explained is correct.
it does have a sling swivel socket in the back of the knuckle. sorry i didn't have a pic available yesterday to post.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_0679_zps3520acc2.jpg
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Boba Fett v2
08-01-13, 08:18
Nice write up. I've been waiting for a good end-user report before pulling the trigger on this one, especially regarding performance with a .300 BLK upper. I'd be very interested to know how it runs suppressed. I appreciate your time.
This is a whole new level of AR Hipsterdom. :eek:
This is a whole new level of AR Hipsterdom. :eek:
So, you'll be slinging one of these over your shoulder when you ride your fixie down to the Hofbrauhaus?
http://hipsterhitler.com/hhcomic/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/04_on_the_battlefield.jpg
the_1iviper
08-02-13, 09:46
Nice write up. I've been waiting for a good end-user report before pulling the trigger on this one, especially regarding performance with a .300 BLK upper. I'd be very interested to know how it runs suppressed. I appreciate your time.
thanks man , i have an sdn-6 coming but it's prob still 6+ months out :sad:
justin_247
08-21-13, 23:01
Very good write-up. I look forward to hearing more!
Army Chief
09-17-13, 06:09
Appreciate the mini-review, even if I discovered it somewhat late.
Interested in the potential here, but still haven't seen much other information on these units. Has anyone else managed to pick one up, or get some range time with one?
AC
I have one as well as the LOKI PDW stock... a few issues 1.) I had to grind on my lower to keep the stock bars from rubbing on the lower preventing the stock from collapsing, it is a Nodak Spud A2 Lower. 2.) The bolt wouldn't reciprocate all the way to the rear. after clipping two coils at the direction of NEA I ended up having to shave material off of rubber bumper on the rear of the carrier/buffer. My main gripes: besides having to grind on a lower, clipping coils, and shaving material off the buffer bumper: is how short the stock is fully extended. I wish it was just an inch longer. That wouldn't effect the functioning or compactness of the stock, except when fully extended. I also don't like the locking button for the stock positions, or really just the way the stock extends. I wish it was more like the Loki where I can just pull on the stock and extend it with out having to depress the lock button. Good news is I can fix the way the stock extends. Overall I like the stock, it is solid and well made, better than the Loki. Its a more refined design than the Loki, and the hybrid carrier/buffer is a much better solution than the Loki system. I haven't heard of anyone else needing to shave on their lower, but the bolt reciprocating all the way to the rear seems to be a pretty standard issue but its an easy fix. Since fixing the bolt reciprocating issue the gun has run like a champ on subs and standard 300 BLK ammo, including hand loads. I bought it to build my own bastardized Honey Badger, so far so good.
Army Chief
09-18-13, 08:25
Appreciate the insights. Any idea if yours was an early-production unit, prototype or some other variation that might differ in any material way from what is being offered for pre-order now? Seems counter-intuitive that some of these issues might not have been addressed along the way, but I'm not seeing any "version" information or other mod data to suggest that the new units have been improved.
I bought it to build my own bastardized Honey Badger, so far so good.
Same basic intent here.
AC
Can someone post a picture of one of these next to a colt CAR stock both collapsed?
Army Chief
09-18-13, 08:35
Did this (from the opening post) not really fit the bill?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_0610_zps4c0b0025.jpg
AC
Mine is an early unit. I was in on the first batch. I haven't ever heard of anyone else needing to grind on their lower , and the others I have talked to about the bolt reciprocating issue was just a matter of clipping a few coils, and if you clip too many coils no biggie. It is just a standard carbine spring that is cut down to size. I guess my bumper just had some extra material on it. Both those issues were no big deal to me as I am a bit of a tinkerer anyways, the bigger deal to me is the length. It's not a deal breaker by any means just wish it extended another inch. As far as pulling the stock to extend it instead of pushing the button: I just need to scallop the leading edge of the locking notches on the stock bars.
Did this (from the opening post) not really fit the bill?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_0610_zps4c0b0025.jpg
AC
There is not a Colt CAR stock in that picture.
Army Chief
09-18-13, 18:30
There is not a Colt CAR stock in that picture.
Colt. Roger -- lost that in translation, as I am wont to do from time to time. ;)
AC
Sent from my Milt Sparks Nexus using a Colt 1911.
the_1iviper
09-19-13, 01:35
Can someone post a picture of one of these next to a colt CAR stock both collapsed?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_0758_zpsd651540e.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_0756_zps425d6e7a.jpg
Army Chief
09-19-13, 03:15
Definitely liking the reduced profile for specific PDW/Honey Badger-type applications.
Is the sliding portion of the stock (butt unit and siderails) readily removable from the trunnion/receiver mount, or are the rails captive within the assembly somehow?
Am largely just wondering if this would present any advantage to the guy waiting on a Form 1, but who could effectively use the CCS in a modified pistol configuration (sans the telescoping buttstock) until approval.
AC
the_1iviper
09-19-13, 04:01
there is only 1 set screw that needs to be removed to take the rods and buttstock off the knuckle.
I'm wondering the same thing as AC about the pistol buffer application.
How's the weight compared to a normal buffer/stock assembly
texasmarine022003
09-19-13, 04:11
I found this the other day from Joe Firearms. I believe they use this stock setup on their custom sbr 300blk. It's called the "Little Joe 300". Here is a link to it. http://www.joefirearms.com/Little-Joe-300_p_132.html
Win lose or draw, I love seeing new designs.
Army Chief
09-19-13, 07:00
there is only 1 set screw that needs to be removed to take the rods and buttstock off the knuckle.
Suspected as much now that I'm re-reading the original write-up at a slightly more reasonable hour, but I appreciate the clarification.
The only thing I'm really left to wonder about it compatibility with various receivers, especially those with non-standard profiles like some billets. Will need to look closely at the AXTS AX556, as I'm considering this stock for my ever-evolving 300 BLK PDW project.
http://www.m3resource.com/images/pdw.jpg
Doesn't really look as if I would be likely to run into an issue; just don't know how closely the rails ride in proximity to the sides of the typical lower when closed. Proximity to the ambi bolt release would seem to be the most significant concern, from what I can discern here.
AC
AC,
You read my mind with regards to if the stock butt pad was removable. I can see spending the money on this and having a pistol until paperwork clears.
Just when I thought I had everything I needed.
Chris
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Thanks
The only thing I'm really left to wonder about it compatibility with various receivers, especially those with non-standard profiles like some billets. Will need to look closely at the AXTS AX556, as I'm considering this stock for my ever-evolving 300 BLK PDW project.
Doesn't really look as if I would be likely to run into an issue; just don't know how closely the rails ride in proximity to the sides of the typical lower when closed. Proximity to the ambi bolt release would seem to be the most significant concern, from what I can discern here.
AC
Looking at your picture I would be concerned with both issues. The Nodak reciever I used is a standard forged reciever and I had too much material where the stock bars need to collapse, your lower is not standard and looks to be a bit bulkier. Also judging from your pictures that ambi bolt release looks like it would be affected as well. If you get a set of calipers and measure the width of yout lower at the back and at the bolt release I will do mine and we'll beable to tell if your reciever is too wide and if the ambi will be affected, if it is and your feel comfortable doing it is just a little dremel work. as far as the bolt release goes if you are a tinkerer or not afraid to mess with it I bet the stock bar section that would interfere with that could be shaved to accomadate the ambi control, you could cut that section of the bar off and have the stop screw repositioned for the shorter bar, or you could just not collapse the stock all the way. I'll post pictures of where I had to shave my lower to fit the stock properly when I get home.
The stock on that little Joe 300 is the NEA stock, and the stock that TROY is using on their trunk monkey is also the NEA stock. Troy claims they have modified the design some but we'll see when it is released.
Army Chief
09-20-13, 08:36
My first thought ran toward the "shortening the bar" approach, which is partly why I was trying to nail down the set screw issue (as it would need to be relocated).
Can't get any solid receiver measurements at the moment, since I'm neck deep in packing for a move, but I think you're likely right about the tolerances. Perhaps someone else with an AX556 can run the numbers. I definitely would not want to do anything that requires the receiver to be modded, but the stock assembly itself could certainly be tailored to fit, provided the basic dimensionally was close enough to make this feasible.
Honestly, given my intentions for the gun (dedicated PDW), some reduction in stock adjustment length would not be a show-stopper, as it would likely not be used at full extension, anyway. Losing some rail length that would still allow for the equivalent of a SOPMOD set to at position one (or two) would be plenty for my purposes. I tend to keep the gun close.
AC
I wouldn't want to mess with the tolerences on the stock bars because that is what keeps the stock from wobbling. you start shaving the stock bars to accomodate your lower and you may end up with a wobbly stock. At the very end where it would effect your bolt release I wouldn't worry about as much but if you needed to remove material from almost the entire length then you may run into trouble.
Army Chief
09-20-13, 08:46
I wouldn't want to mess with the tolerences on the stock bars because that is what keeps the stock from wobbling. you start shaving the stock bars to accomodate your lower and you may end up with a wobbly stock. At the very end where it would effect your bolt release I wouldn't worry about as much but if you needed to remove material from almost the entire length then you may run into trouble.
That makes perfect sense to me. A reduction in overall length would prove beneficial in this case, but I wouldn't want to do anything that would affect the tolerances of the rail within the track/race. I've been wondering about the inherent stability of the CCS in the first place. Definitely would not want to introduce the potential for wobble or slop where it does not exist, as that would defeat the whole purpose of the mod.
AC
I picked one up. Its being cerakoted now for my 300BLK subsonic gun project.
Its well designed and machined. I wont have the gun assembled for a few weeks as I need to get the barrel turned down a little.
Ill put up some pictures as soon as I get it all done. But it looks to be well thought and put together.
the_1iviper
09-20-13, 15:55
Suspected as much now that I'm re-reading the original write-up at a slightly more reasonable hour, but I appreciate the clarification.
The only thing I'm really left to wonder about it compatibility with various receivers, especially those with non-standard profiles like some billets. Will need to look closely at the AXTS AX556, as I'm considering this stock for my ever-evolving 300 BLK PDW project.
http://www.m3resource.com/images/pdw.jpg
Doesn't really look as if I would be likely to run into an issue; just don't know how closely the rails ride in proximity to the sides of the typical lower when closed. Proximity to the ambi bolt release would seem to be the most significant concern, from what I can discern here.
AC
do the axts receivers use a standard rear take down pin ? the bars will clear the take down pin and the receiver is normally thinner than the take down pin. the problem area would be the reinforcing area around the buffer tube , this is where the bars would make contact. the ambi controls i don't see as being a major issue , just minor modification to the right bar. either grind it down a bit or put a new notch in the bar for a fully closed position to clear the control. in my pics the stock is always collapsed all the way but it's not locked closed. the last notch for the fully closed position lock is in the wrong location. the difference being the cap on the end of the buffer tube , looks like they needed a little more room for the spring/carrier during testing or someone just took a wrong measurement and only measured the buffer tube when they cut the rods because without the cap on the end of the tube the stock would fully close and lock on the last notch and the bars would reach all the way to the magwell. the tolerance is pretty tight on the bars and knuckle so even if they made contact with the receiver and you milled a small flat in the area the length of the bar i don't believe it would add any movement to the stock but without trying it it's hard to say , welbly could be correct. it's hard to get a good pic of how close the bars are to the receiver but here's a few that might help out.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_0698_zps1cc516eb.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_0693_zps5d2feb39.jpg
here is the stock fully collapsed but not locked into place
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_0782_zpsd964ce58.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_0783_zpsdf552834.jpg
here is the stock collapsed to the last lockable position
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_0784_zpsfc8a7325.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_0785_zps18db9e34.jpg
you could push the stock right up to your ambi control and add a notch in the bar right there for a lock.
goteron --- are they also spraying the adjustment bars with cerakote ? i would be interested to hear how it works out , i'd like to spray mine black. i tried many things with not much luck on darkening the bars to be less reflective. 3 different cold blues , a black metal primer that's as thin as water , even a black sharpie. i finally gave up and hot oil blued them to darken them up.
Army Chief
09-20-13, 16:14
... you could push the stock right up to your ambi control and add a notch in the bar right there for a lock.
Great analysis and feedback.
Based upon these insights, I'm fairly confident that this would be a realistic project, even with the ambi bolt release. Worst case, simply locking the stock into what passes for your "fully closed" position would seem to resolve the clearance/standoff problem, though I may engage the manufacturer on this, just to make sure I'm not missing something obvious along the way.
If they have modified the newer models to lock up even closer, then I suppose we're back to needing to shorten the bar(s) a bit. Still entirely feasible, or so it would seem.
AC
I think viper is on the right track for your applications. You could also creat a screw stop to keep the stock from collapsing to far. Then you wouldn't have to cut the bars at all and still get full extension.
Army Chief
09-20-13, 16:27
I actually considered that, as well, but it could be that I'm over-thinking all of it, if the stock can simply be locked at the correct distance. Just hadn't previously been aware that these units had even gone into production.
AC
1viper,
Everything but the bars will be coated.
Dedicated subsonic gun.
It's going to be a forged upper and lower
7" Alpha rail
7.5" 300blk barrel
Tirant 9s
K grip
Not sure on optic yet.
And X300+EXO
the_1iviper
09-20-13, 23:45
1viper,
Everything but the bars will be coated.
Dedicated subsonic gun.
It's going to be a forged upper and lower
7" Alpha rail
7.5" 300blk barrel
Tirant 9s
K grip
Not sure on optic yet.
And X300+EXO
sounds like a great build :cool:
BOOSTjunkie
09-21-13, 10:22
I have also pondered this setup for an sbr 300 blk build. I think my mind is made up now.
How would one attach a sling to this?
Chris
the_1iviper
09-21-13, 14:07
How would one attach a sling to this?
Chris
it has a sling swivel socket in the back of the knuckle. i've also used the adjustment bar to attach a sling. there are pics on the first page ;)
This would be awesome on a double diamond 9 or 45 (glock mag) lower and 5-7" suppressed upper!
Dang it now I'm contemplating another build!
BigDaddybluesman
09-24-13, 11:35
This would be awesome on a double diamond 9 or 45 (glock mag) lower and 5-7" suppressed upper!
Dang it now I'm contemplating another build!
I don't think it will work. I am doing a 9mm build with the DDLE lower. I thought about it too and the 9mm carrier is also the bolt so to speak, it's a recoil operated gun. The NEA stock has a proprietary bolt so it's a no go.
I am waiting for a phone call from NEA to ship the stock to me. I think it's been a month now. They have them in stock, they just take a long time to ship I guess.
I almost forgot to add that LWRC is coming out with a similar stock, it may use the AR carbine buffer, I don't know. If it does I will without a doubt use it on my 9mm build.
I wouldn't hold my breath on the LWRC stock. Supposedly it was only made in small numbers and according to the guys at LWRC may never be sold commercially.
1viper,
Everything but the bars will be coated.
Dedicated subsonic gun.
It's going to be a forged upper and lower
7" Alpha rail
7.5" 300blk barrel
Tirant 9s
K grip
Not sure on optic yet.
And X300+EXO
Sounds like my build
7" JP rifles modular free float
7.5" barrel
Talking to OPs Inc about doing a short 30 cal can like their M4S so I can get a reflex to hopefully shorten up the length past muzzle but still get good db reduction.
K grip
Thinking about running the Insight CIVL w/MRDS on top..... whenever it comes out.
the_1iviper
10-02-13, 01:40
it looks like NEA might be updating the stock. this pic was posted by a member over on arfcom in the 300blk pic thread. notice there is no cap on the buffer tube and it also has set screw stops on both adjusting rods. he said he had received it about 2 weeks ago.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/01neastock_zps4a32d59d.jpg
BigDaddybluesman
10-02-13, 18:49
2 weeks......When did he order it?
the_1iviper
10-02-13, 20:00
not sure. i sent him the link to this thread , maybe he'll pop in and can answer that.
BigDaddybluesman
10-03-13, 00:58
not sure. i sent him the link to this thread , maybe he'll pop in and can answer that.
Thanks, I'm waiting for mine.
Trying to put together something different, ligther, shorter without going to a SBR.
Everybody says just get a tax stamp. Well duh I just moved to central Texas and I'll walk into the local top law enforcement officer's place and say "hey I'm from New York Shitty will you sign this so I can get a SBR"? Yeah sure maybe not in your lifetime now get the fruck out!!!
Maybe in a while when I am living here a few years and meet some local law enforcement guys. I have one down the block a bit from me. I met him today and he seems like a cool dude. When he said oh I just live right there I was GOOD!!! And I meant it.
So I'm figuring on a cut barrel with either a B.E. Meyers or a 13.7" and KX3. The Meyers is actually lighter than the Vortex.
Not sure how you think it works but you are just getting a signature to send in paperwork on a rifle. It's like any other rifle you can buy or have... they just made the barrel shorter.
Start the process now and you might get your stamp in a few years
BigDaddybluesman
10-03-13, 09:27
Not sure how you think it works but you are just getting a signature to send in paperwork on a rifle. It's like any other rifle you can buy or have... they just made the barrel shorter.
Start the process now and you might get your stamp in a few years
As far as I know the police official does not have to sign it. Plus honestly after some of the things I did as a teen I don't know if I will pass a background check even though I served in the Military. In Texas all you need is a drivers license to buy a gun but not SBRs and other federally restricted firearms without a stamp which means a sign off and background check. I was a very wild teen and even though that was a long time ago it still might be on records. Although it might be as a juvenile. I will try at some point down the road even if it's wasting the $200.
I suggest you read this.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/mediapages/ArticleDetail.aspx?mediaid=159
But it looks to be well thought and put together.
Does yours work without cutting the action spring down? Because reports of people being told to by the manufacturer are not inspiring confidence in the design and engineering for me.
Haven't even had a chance to finish assembling it yet.
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss192/goteron/null_zps42469036.jpg
I still need to decide on an optic.
BigDaddybluesman
10-08-13, 19:16
Do you believe in love at first sight?
I do now!!!
That's pretty much what I have in mind except in OD Green and a lighter shade of green or drab. Plus a longer barrel, like a 13.7 with a KX3 or B.E. Meyers on it.
I am going to swap the stock rails and cut a new slot in the opposite rail.
I just want 1 "lock" position at full extension.
So I can grab the gun, rip the stock to full extension and go without having to actuate the lock.
Not that I would ever have to do that... but you get the idea.
CQBL-1 and M300U or X300U... Not sure yet.
the_1iviper
10-08-13, 21:31
Haven't even had a chance to finish assembling it yet.
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss192/goteron/null_zps42469036.jpg
I still need to decide on an optic.
bad ass , the whole gun and not just the selector :smile:
Finished the gun.
I did end up swapping the bars and cutting a single notch. Now opening the stock is a 1 handed operation. Now the stock does not "lock" closed, but with the cerakote it does stay closed via friction. Just pull the stock and it locks fully open.
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss192/goteron/Short_zpse2c74c22.jpg
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss192/goteron/Long_zpsa7f71a6a.jpg
BigDaddybluesman
01-17-14, 01:50
I got tired of the "it should be in stock soon" replies so I cancelled the order. Maybe when they actually have them in stock I'll buy one. So I purchase the short carbine stock w/shortened buffer & extension tube system from LWRC. No it's not as cool looking but it is very short. It should be back in a week from my AR guy. I don't know if the system works yet. It's a simple AR 14.5" DD M4 barrel, BCM pinned Brake/hider, Troy 11" rail, nothing special, although I do get a cheek weld with the stock and it is super short.
I really like that the PDW look but I wonder is anything shorter than an 11.5" barrel worth it with a 5.56mm round? I would be more inclined to use a PDW like that with a .300 ACC round. But it sure looks cool, I really like it, I just wonder how the cheek weld is? As for using it with a .458 SOCOM I really don't think that's a good idea. When they first came out they recommended using an A1/A2 type stock. Any adjustable stock would not hold up to the round as far as I know.
can the stock part be removed so as to have it run as a pistol
the_1iviper
01-20-14, 16:25
Sorry to drag up an old thread, but . . .
How robust are these things? I'm toying with a SBR in a bigbore caliber, kind of a heavy hitting entry gun. Anyway for those who own one, do you think it would hold up to .458 SOCOM? Is the latch mechanism stronger than a regular 6 position stock?
i think it would hold up to the recoil fine but it would prob be uncomfortable to shoot. the short lwrc stock might be a better option.
the_1iviper
01-20-14, 16:26
can the stock part be removed so as to have it run as a pistol
yes , very easy to remove and reinstall the butt pad and adjusting bars. no tools required.
I saw one up close to include the proprietary buffer/spring system and decided it may LOOK cool, but I can't see using this especially on an SBR.
I saw one up close to include the proprietary buffer/spring system and decided it may LOOK cool, but I can't see using this especially on an SBR.
Can you share any more Iraqgunz? Are you thinking it would be too harsh on the gun?
It's just common sense. The carrier has been chopped, it doesn't use a standard buffer and spring. So that means you have to run it how it is.
Can you share any more Iraqgunz? Are you thinking it would be too harsh on the gun?
jerrysimons
01-21-14, 00:41
Finished the gun.
I did end up swapping the bars and cutting a single notch. Now opening the stock is a 1 handed operation. Now the stock does not "lock" closed, but with the cerakote it does stay closed via friction. Just pull the stock and it locks fully open.
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss192/goteron/Short_zpse2c74c22.jpg
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss192/goteron/Long_zpsa7f71a6a.jpg
What is that hiding under the RMR?? Please tell me it is a new lightweight (1oz) Unity RMR mount :D
the_1iviper
01-21-14, 23:17
the weights can be changed in the buffer and you could change the spring to a sprinco of your choice , it's a regular carbine spring cut down.
It's just common sense. The carrier has been chopped, it doesn't use a standard buffer and spring. So that means you have to run it how it is.
Cool. Cutting down springs is not a good idea in my opinion and I am certainly not going to be encouraging people to be tearing apart buffers and other stuff. But I am sure that there are plenty of people who like them.
the weights can be changed in the buffer and you could change the spring to a sprinco of your choice , it's a regular carbine spring cut down.
the_1iviper
01-22-14, 16:03
believe me i understand where your coming from , it's a non standard un proven part. i was just updating the info in the thread for anyone else that might be reading and wondering if you could change buffer weights or springs. i also wouldn't recommend it to someone who wasn't willing to go through the teething pains of testing and tuning it , especially someone who might have trouble changing buffer weights or figuring out the correct amount of coils to clip for the action to function correctly. there seems to be almost as many "short" stock set ups popping up as there are bullpup rifles lately. and while the carrier/buffer are proprietary on the NEA it uses common and easily attainable ar-15 buffer weights and action springs to be able to tune it.
as a side note i really like the "short" stock offering from lwrc and will be picking up one of those to test out soon.
BigDaddybluesman
01-22-14, 17:00
Just got mine back with the LWRC short setup. I have to get to the range and fire it. It's very light-weight, I will report back on how it shoots.
UPDATE: I have been home messing with it. My first impression is that it is made for a PDW, it's very short and light. But it is very uncomfortable for me. Each AR I have has a different stock so I find most of them OK, not this one. I put the BCM B5 SOPMOD stock I had on my Mossberg Mesa adapter Enidine recoil reducer onto the AR in place of the LWRC stock. I now found the rifle to be comfortable and it works so far. I have to shoot it and see if the extension tube, buffer and coil work well.
I put the super shorty stock on the Mossberg 500 and it worked there, it felt better than the B5. I just do what works not what is thought to be correct. The LWRC stock system is for a PDW and not at all for a longer barreled AR. It's not very comfortable, so I guess it's purely for function without much concern for ergonomics. On a workingman's SBR or PDW this would be a very good system IMO if comfort is not a concern and having the shortest, smallest, lightest weapon was the most important factor. We'll see how it shoots.
Any updates on this product? Has anyone heard of the gas key shearing off?
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Gas key shearing off sounds like an over-torque issue. I'd replace them with quality screws and drive on.
Slash has heavy buffers for 5.56, and soon 9mm UCIW stock setups. http://www.heavybuffers.com/
I'd agree that cutting springs for a standard receiver extension is bad, but this is a different application with a different length receiver extension. They could make a short one, and it would perform just like a shortened one, save the tidier ends (and would probably cost more). Replacing buffer weights is easier than a barrel swap, or assembling a lower, by a large margin.
Not sure if these work with the NEA stock, but I'm pretty sure they are the same.
Ooops, these are for the shortened carbine type receiver extension; not the NEA style. I have heard that Slash has a buffer from an NEA stock, and there should (hopefully) be some other options soon.
What is that hiding under the RMR?? Please tell me it is a new lightweight (1oz) Unity RMR mount :D
Sorry, no info on that yet :)
I have been shooting that gun quite a bit lately and its proven to be very reliable, as stated elsewhere, the cheek weld isn't great, but its usable.
I ended up changing the stock rods completely for a set of tubes. I lost 2 ounces using tubing over rods and gained 1" LOP with it. They also fit tighter which removes all wobble.
Has anyone tried one of these on a billet lower yet? I have a registered POF billet lower and am interested in one of these (don't care about not collapsing completely for ambi bolt release). Also, any updates on whether NEA has updated the stocks and buffers/carriers they are sending out? Like was stated before by other users, I don't want to cut the recoil springs or have to grind anything down. I'm a fan of install and go play with no tinkering.
I'm interested if NEA ever got rid of the plum colored anodizing, and silver rods? Anyone bought one recently?
I'm interested if NEA ever got rid of the plum colored anodizing, and silver rods? Anyone bought one recently?
Reviving an old thread...
Bought one Cyber Monday 2015 from Brownells for a great deal.
Some out of the box observations:
No more plum anodizing, it's all black and uniform in color.
No more silver rods, they're black now too.
Polymer butt-stock.
No more "Meat Tenderizer" points on the rear face of the stock it's like they knocked the peaks off making it significantly smoother.
Mine is not a multi-position stock, it locks collapsed or fully extended, which I like.
The lock button appears to be different from what I originally handled when it first came out. It's easy and super accessible, it appears to be a mag release button. I dig it.
My only gripes...
The buffer rattles (weights inside)
The fit between the rods and butt-stock has some slight rocking up/down wobble.
I wish the buffer tube had an Allen wrench socket on the end for quick install without a strap wrench.
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