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John McCain: Hillary Clinton vs. Rand Paul Would Be A 'Tough Choice' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/31/john-mccain-hillary-clinton-rand-paul_n_3681959.html)
If former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton runs against Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) in 2016, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) would have difficulty deciding who would get his vote.
Sellout, piece of scum sucking shit, communist loving ****ing RINO.
And I swear to god if it becomes Christie vs. Clinton in 2016 we will truly be screwed. President Hillary Clinton will make Obama's presidency look like "the good old days."
I don't think Paul will get the nomination although he is probably our last best chance for anything meaningful, which is why they are already trying to go after him.
The media has already made it clear that Christie & Hillary are the 2016 matchup. CNN will broadcast their Saint Hillary movie shortly before the election and we'll have another 4 years of Democrat rule. The GOP is going to roll over and play victim in the process. :(
sinlessorrow
08-01-13, 00:20
The media has already made it clear that Christie & Hillary are the 2016 matchup. CNN will broadcast their Saint Hillary movie shortly before the election and we'll have another 4 years of Democrat rule. The GOP is going to roll over and play victim in the process. :(
Bad thing is even the Dem's dont want hillary. Places like the god forsaken DU despise Hillary.
mikelowrey
08-01-13, 00:40
What about Ted? I read they were questioning his citizenship and he proved them wrong and he said he might be running.
Bad thing is even the Dem's dont want hillary. Places like the god forsaken DU despise Hillary.
We no longer get the choices we make, we get the ones we're given. :(
polymorpheous
08-01-13, 01:16
The media has already made it clear that Christie & Hillary are the 2016 matchup. CNN will broadcast their Saint Hillary movie shortly before the election and we'll have another 4 years of Democrat rule. The GOP is going to roll over and play victim in the process. :(
This.
The media decides who's President.
And they are already running the propaganda macine to push it.
Clinton will be our next President.
I can't believe how many members here stood by McCain.
Same with Romney.
Seriously people, get a clue.
McCain is a sellout. I wish him well in retirement.
This.
The media decides who's President.
And they are already running the propaganda macine to push it.
Clinton will be our next President.
I can't believe how many members here stood by McCain.
Same with Romney.
Seriously people, get a clue.
Yeah no kidding!
Don't you remember the mantra? It was "you're with us or against us" and "you jusy got to vote for whoever has a fricking
Elephant by their name".
Well I'm done voting for animals. :)
What about Ted? I read they were questioning his citizenship and he proved them wrong and he said he might be running.
Look at who they have nominated in the past.
Romney and McCain. They are gonna pump up Christie as some Tony Soprano "get it done, even if you got to do it dirty" super candidate.
The GOP isn't interested in "fixing things" any more than the Dems. The GOP just wants their turn at the money trough so they are putting up candidates that cater to the free shit army just like the Dems.
Guys like Ted and Rand are a threat to the money and power brokers because they have ideas like "fixing things." They might make it to the primaries "for show" but that's about it.
McCain all but endorsed Obama when he ran against him and now he just gave a GOP stamped love letter to Hillary Clinton while suggesting Rand is a extremist of some kind.
Rand and McCain went up against each other today over aid to Egypt, with Rand suggesting they use that money to fix bridges in the US that are falling apart rather than send it to countries that burn our flag and elect candidates supported by the Muslim brotherhood.
McCain won the vote and the money is going to Egypt.
We are ****ed, ****ed, ****ed and it's shitheads with R's next to their names doing a lot of the damage.
Yeah no kidding!
Don't you remember the mantra? It was "you're with us or against us" and "you jusy got to vote for whoever has a fricking
Elephant by their name".
Well I'm done voting for animals. :)
I'm just done participating in the dog and pony (or elephant and ass) show completely. If we don't have a real candidate, my time can be better spent at home watching porn.
polymorpheous
08-01-13, 03:00
I'm just done participating in the dog and pony (or elephant and ass) show completely. If we don't have a real candidate, my time can be better spent at home watching porn.
You mean admire porn, right?
every time i hear about H clinton all i can think about is thw whitewater scandal that for some reason people and the media just seem to "forget" about....
polymorpheous
08-01-13, 03:08
Yeah no kidding!
Don't you remember the mantra? It was "you're with us or against us" and "you jusy got to vote for whoever has a fricking
Elephant by their name".
Well I'm done voting for animals. :)
I found it hilarious that the NRA endorsed Romney.
What a cluster****.
I'll keep with the Libertarians, as I have since 1996.
The Republicans are a waste.
Eurodriver
08-01-13, 06:18
I love pointing out to gun guys that there was only one Candidate on the ballot who had signed an assault weapons ban.
...and it was the guy they were planning to vote for??
Army Chief
08-01-13, 06:49
Having met (more than once), and actually flown (once) Senator McCain, my impression of the man is that he should absolutely be given his due, but that he has also been in the business long enough. I'm not sure any man of true principle can operate in the halls of government for as long as he's been there without becoming hopelessly compromised, and while I suppose he's always been a moderate (at best) in my view, statements like this one are certainly not going to help solve our problems. Hillary v. Anybody in 2016 presents him with a conundrum? Seriously?
I don't know if he was caught in a hallway being flippant, just looking for a headline, trying to make a statement about the direction of the party, or he simply doesn't care any more, but this was beyond the pale for me. When you can no longer tell your friends from your adversaries, it is time to clear out your desk, and go see what your grandkids have been up to.
AC
I love pointing out to gun guys that there was only one Candidate on the ballot who had signed an assault weapons ban.
...and it was the guy they were planning to vote for??
Read and learn.
http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html
The_War_Wagon
08-01-13, 06:55
Time to put Gramps in a home... :mad:
The media has already made it clear that Christie & Hillary are the 2016 matchup. CNN will broadcast their Saint Hillary movie shortly before the election and we'll have another 4 years of Democrat rule. The GOP is going to roll over and play victim in the process. :(
You really meant 8 years didn't you??
Having met (more than once), and actually flown (once) Senator McCain, my impression of the man is that he should absolutely be given his due, but that he has also been in the business long enough. I'm not sure any man of true principle......
Ok, you lost me there....McCain's 'principles' were evident after his return from Vietnam with the way he treated his then wife who had been seriously injured in a car accident....
McCain survived extraordinary circumstances but that does not provide a cover for anything else he has done in his life, especially in matters of national policy.
So, yeah, fvck McCain......
Army Chief
08-01-13, 07:21
Ok, you lost me there....McCain's 'principles' were evident after his return from Vietnam with the way he treated his then wife who had been seriously injured in a car accident....
McCain survived extraordinary circumstances but that does not provide a cover for anything else he has done in his life, especially in matters of national policy.
Admittedly unfamiliar with the personal history, or at least, that particular insight. Just pointing to the man's record (and hardships suffered) in uniform, in much the same way I might give the nod to the late Senator Inouye, even though I loathed pretty much everything that the man ever tried to do as a legislator.
Trying to be charitable here, though you are correct. McCain has been a politican for far longer than he was ever a warrior, and his record, conduct and statements should be subject to the same scrutiny as that of any other public official.
AC
I thought McCain was a decent person at one point. Until I read some of the not so flattering stuff about his Vietnam experience. More importantly his conduct of late and some of the causes he seems to support leave me to believe that he needs to retire as he must be suffering from some form of mental illness.
Read and learn.
http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html
Very interesting. It seems that a good number of people did not know what they were talking about during the last election cycle.
I hate McCain, I sent more money to the guy running against him in his last primary than any other candidate this last series of elections.
Not much, cause I'm poor.
brickboy240
08-01-13, 09:51
I know I should respect John McCain for what he went through. Seeing that my dad is also a Marine Vietnam vet...I used to really respect McCain.
However, my respect for the guy has really worn thin. His inability to stand up for conservative ideals and his mocking of the Tea Party people is just disgusting.
Yeah...McCain's whole "war hero" status is going out the window.
Sad, really...
-brickboy240
mikelowrey
08-01-13, 09:58
Look at who they have nominated in the past.
Romney and McCain. They are gonna pump up Christie as some Tony Soprano "get it done, even if you got to do it dirty" super candidate.
The GOP isn't interested in "fixing things" any more than the Dems. The GOP just wants their turn at the money trough so they are putting up candidates that cater to the free shit army just like the Dems.
Guys like Ted and Rand are a threat to the money and power brokers because they have ideas like "fixing things." They might make it to the primaries "for show" but that's about it.
McCain all but endorsed Obama when he ran against him and now he just gave a GOP stamped love letter to Hillary Clinton while suggesting Rand is a extremist of some kind.
Rand and McCain went up against each other today over aid to Egypt, with Rand suggesting they use that money to fix bridges in the US that are falling apart rather than send it to countries that burn our flag and elect candidates supported by the Muslim brotherhood.
McCain won the vote and the money is going to Egypt.
We are ****ed, ****ed, ****ed and it's shitheads with R's next to their names doing a lot of the damage.
Sad to hear... good people trying to make a change and BS'ers trying to efff us.
I know I should respect John McCain for what he went through. Seeing that my dad is also a Marine Vietnam vet...I used to really respect McCain.
However, my respect for the guy has really worn thin. His inability to stand up for conservative ideals and his mocking of the Tea Party people is just disgusting.
Yeah...McCain's whole "war hero" status is going out the window.
Sad, really...
-brickboy240
From Wiki: "McCain followed his father and grandfather, both four-star admirals, into the United States Navy, graduating from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1958. He became a naval aviator, flying ground-attack aircraft from aircraft carriers. During the Vietnam War, he was almost killed in the 1967 USS Forrestal fire. In October 1967, while on a bombing mission over Hanoi, he was shot down, seriously injured, and captured by the North Vietnamese. He was a prisoner of war until 1973. McCain experienced episodes of torture, and refused an out-of-sequence early repatriation offer. His war wounds left him with lifelong physical limitations."
You seem to be of the opinion that having the most humble and profound respect for what this man suffered, sacrificed, and endured, for our nation, and preferring to have white hot needles thrust into your eyes rather than ever vote for him, are mutually exclusive. I fail to see why that must be so.
brickboy240
08-01-13, 10:18
Not really.
I do not live in AZ so I don't get a real vote or voice for the guy.
I voted for him in 08, but only because the alternative was much worse....much, much worse.
I find it sad that a man that has gone through what he did, would find people that band together and ask for the govt. to be responsible and respect the liberty of it's private citizens to be such a repulsive group.
-brickboy240
By "vote for the guy" I simply meant believing he is someone not remotely competent to govern. You can at one and the same time believe a man be courageous, heroic, and self-sacrificing, when in battle, while also ignorant, incompetent, and self-interested, when in government.
polymorpheous
08-01-13, 10:41
Very interesting. It seems that a good number of people did not know what they were talking about during the last election cycle.
Because the NRA wrote a piece to justify endorsing him?
Color me not impressed.
The Republican Party is in it's death throes.
I believe, nationally, we are on the verge of a permanent one party majority.
Having met (more than once), and actually flown (once) Senator McCain, my impression of the man is that he should absolutely be given his due, but that he has also been in the business long enough. I'm not sure any man of true principle can operate in the halls of government for as long as he's been there without becoming hopelessly compromised, and while I suppose he's always been a moderate (at best) in my view, statements like this one are certainly not going to help solve our problems. Hillary v. Anybody in 2016 presents him with a conundrum? Seriously?
I don't know if he was caught in a hallway being flippant, just looking for a headline, trying to make a statement about the direction of the party, or he simply doesn't care any more, but this was beyond the pale for me. When you can no longer tell your friends from your adversaries, it is time to clear out your desk, and go see what your grandkids have been up to.
AC
Wise and well considered words as usual. You, Sir, are my hero.
You really meant 8 years didn't you??
Well I can hope her arrogance causes her to make such a colossal mistake that she only gets 4. Of course, I thought Obama had and look what it didn't do to him. This shit is beyond depressing. :(
Because the NRA wrote a piece to justify endorsing him?
Color me not impressed.
The Republican Party is in it's death throes.
I believe, nationally, we are on the verge of a permanent one party majority.
It will be a one party majority, but it won't be permanent. Unfortunately, what replaces it will be even worse.
:(
Interesting how may hits Google gives - over 109,000 - for "John McCain Manchurian Candidate". It has to be impossible to not sustain serious mental health damage from 5 1/2 years of HEAVY communist indoctrination.
If Christie does get the nomination, after all the crap he has spewed out over the last few months, I could not in good conscience vote for him.
If it is Christie vs Clinton, I will vote 3rd party for sure. At this point, I really wonder if it matters if I vote at all.
Army Chief
08-01-13, 13:16
I try to have something good to say about everyone, but there is a component to this that rings a bell with me. If you've ever spent any time around military colonels, you get the sense that a lot of them are incredibly-friendly to your face, but really have no idea (or concern) who you are three seconds after they turn around. That is not the case with all of them by any stretch, but there is something about that particular grade band that creates hungry political animals striving to make flag rank.
Similarly, in my limited contacts with Senator McCain, I got a very clear whiff of the same sort of air. My sense is that I was engaging a very self-interested and driven opportunist who stood to gain absolutely nothing from interacting with me. I did not find this surprising or even objectionable, given his obvious station and prominence; just something that I made a mental note of at the time. In going back to research the whole Carol McCain episode, referenced above, it did cause a few pieces of the puzzle to fall into place for me.
I shall leave it at that.
AC
McCain is a sellout. I wish him well in retirement.
Unfortunately he was just re-elected.....
AC,
I know you'll do your own research but John likes very pretty and slim model types which Carol was before her car accident which happened while he was in captivity. After the accident, her injuries prevented her from being very active and she put on some weight and wasn't quite the trophy any more...
After McCain got back, it did not take him very long to start hitting the bars and social clubs and sleeping around.
ramairthree
08-01-13, 13:41
I try to have something good to say about everyone, but there is a component to this that rings a bell with me. If you've ever spent any time around military colonels, you get the sense that a lot of them are incredibly-friendly to your face, but really have no idea (or concern) who you are three seconds after they turn around. That is not the case with all of them by any stretch, but there is something about that particular grade band that creates hungry political animals striving to make flag rank.
Similarly, in my limited contacts with Senator McCain, I got a very clear whiff of the same sort of air. My sense is that I was engaging a very self-interested and driven opportunist who stood to gain absolutely nothing from interacting with me. I did not find this surprising or even objectionable, given his obvious station and prominence; just something that I made a mental note of at the time. In going back to research the whole Carol McCain episode, referenced above, it did cause a few pieces of the puzzle to fall into place for me.
I shall leave it at that.
AC
Interesting insight. I have also been surprised several times by individuals that I thought were great guys at the O5 and O6 level,
but once they knew they were truly in the running for a star changed. Drastically in some cases.
ramairthree
08-01-13, 13:43
"After McCain got back, it did not take him very long to start hitting the bars and social clubs and sleeping around. "
Well, not sticking up for him but that is pretty par for the course mid 70s.
Army Chief
08-01-13, 13:48
"After McCain got back, it did not take him very long to start hitting the bars and social clubs and sleeping around. "
Well, not sticking up for him but that is pretty par for the course mid 70s.
True, but I think it was the whole "shattered spouse" thing that left folks unsympathetic to his indifference. He suffered, but so did she. In some ways, even more significantly. Then he moved on. I'm certainly not sitting in the seat of judgment, but it's not exactly the happy Time magazine feature article ending that folks were looking for.
AC
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ramairthree
08-01-13, 14:03
Ok, got it.
Yep, running around on an able bodied wife and always coming back to her would have played way better than
running around on an injured wife then leaving her.
RogerinTPA
08-01-13, 14:18
I have tremendous respect for his military service, and zero respect for him as a politician. In my mind, Mccain has become 'irrelevant' over the past 4 years. The best thing for him to do is to shut his mouth and resign, or for his constituents to either recall him, or not vote for him in the next election cycle. He's done quite enough showing his ass.
I have tremendous respect for his military service, and zero respect for him as a politician. In my mind, Mccain has become 'irrelevant' over the past 4 years. The best thing for him to do is to shut his mouth and resign, or for his constituents to either recall him, or not vote for him in the next election cycle. He's done quite enough showing his ass.
I can't argue with this one bit.
I have tremendous respect for his military service, and zero respect for him as a politician. In my mind, Mccain has become 'irrelevant' over the past 4 years. The best thing for him to do is to shut his mouth and resign, or for his constituents to either recall him, or not vote for him in the next election cycle. He's done quite enough showing his ass.
Agree too. Thank you for your service, now go home.
Shit Stain is a national disgrace and a disgrace to his own military service.
I really wish they would stop doing things like this...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/06/exclusive-john-mccain-on-his-meeting-with-the-muslim-brotherhood-in-cairo.html
I try to have something good to say about everyone, but there is a component to this that rings a bell with me. If you've ever spent any time around military colonels, you get the sense that a lot of them are incredibly-friendly to your face, but really have no idea (or concern) who you are three seconds after they turn around. That is not the case with all of them by any stretch, but there is something about that particular grade band that creates hungry political animals striving to make flag rank.
Similarly, in my limited contacts with Senator McCain, I got a very clear whiff of the same sort of air. My sense is that I was engaging a very self-interested and driven opportunist who stood to gain absolutely nothing from interacting with me. I did not find this surprising or even objectionable, given his obvious station and prominence; just something that I made a mental note of at the time. In going back to research the whole Carol McCain episode, referenced above, it did cause a few pieces of the puzzle to fall into place for me.
I shall leave it at that.
AC
Honestly I always got that vibe from him just watching him on television.
platoonDaddy
08-07-13, 05:56
As many have stated, I respect his service to this country! On the other hand, he has always reminded me of the Manchurian Candidate.
Believe he will go the way of Lieberman and switch to independent.
brickboy240
08-07-13, 10:12
I'd compare him more to Arlon Specter than Leiberman.
Spector changed parties and lost any shred of respect from anyone, period.
McCain is not Leiberman....but Specter.
-brickboy240
Whats really funny is that a few years ago everyone around here was talking about how great McCain was and how much better he'd be than Soterro/Obama.....lol ya right......
One of these days "you people" are going to realize that the only thing party lines are for is to divide the morons. The corrupt bought off career politicians couldn't give a rats ass what "party" they're "apart of"......they are all paid by the same people.
Whats really funny is that a few years ago everyone around here was talking about how great McCain was and how much better he'd be than Soterro/Obama.....lol ya right......
One of these days "you people" are going to realize that the only thing party lines are for is to divide the morons. The corrupt bought off career politicians couldn't give a rats ass what "party" they're "apart of"......they are all paid by the same people.
Don't count me in that bunch! :(
RogerinTPA
08-07-13, 15:25
Whats really funny is that a few years ago everyone around here was talking about how great McCain was and how much better he'd be than Soterro/Obama.....lol ya right......
One of these days "you people" are going to realize that the only thing party lines are for is to divide the morons. The corrupt bought off career politicians couldn't give a rats ass what "party" they're "apart of"......they are all paid by the same people.
When given the choice between 'shit' and 'shitier', I'd rather cast a vote for 'shit' with some conservative views, than 'shitier', who had and has, an extreme progressive communist agenda. Besides, we all know it was really a vote for Palin, than it was for McCain, which gave that ticket the most appeal.
Whats really funny is that a few years ago everyone around here was talking about how great McCain was and how much better he'd be than Soterro/Obama.....lol ya right......
One of these days "you people" are going to realize that the only thing party lines are for is to divide the morons. The corrupt bought off career politicians couldn't give a rats ass what "party" they're "apart of"......they are all paid by the same people.
Not everyone. Well not sure if I was a member here yet or not. But I remember being stunned and saddened that McCain got the nomination.
Well you know this little ditty, the shinyest of two turds gets the dogs mouth.
Belmont31R
08-08-13, 03:01
There are articles out there about a decade old of McCain testing the waters to switch to the Dem side. Nothing new with him.
This.
The media decides who's President.
And they are already running the propaganda macine to push it.
Clinton will be our next President.
I can't believe how many members here stood by McCain.
Same with Romney.
Seriously people, get a clue.
The media is THE MEDIUM by which people grow to accept the Globalist Bankster Elite's "choice" and believe its their choice.
Everything else I agree with you 100 percent.
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"One cannot awaken a man who pretends to be asleep."
Christie may win the Republican nomination, but will lose to any Democrat running. I will vote Hillary before I vote Christie. My bet is Christie switches parties and runs as a Democrat, he is anti 2A, and that kills him in the Republican Primaries (esp FL and TX).
2022 is the year the Dems get a super majority because of immigration. 2040 something is when the Hispanic majority votes all the white dems out of office and replaces them with Hispanics (who may not be as rabid anti-2A as the ones today).
We spend 50-70 years experimenting with socialism, then return to our democratic/republic roots.
Glad I will miss the demise.
Juan Mccain a warrior? Heck no he is the Manchurian candidate. I can't believe the AZ.people reelect the POS. But then I live in Calif and DIFI etc keep on getting reelected but not by me.
When given the choice between 'shit' and 'shitier', I'd rather cast a vote for 'shit' with some conservative views, than 'shitier', who had and has, an extreme progressive communist agenda. Besides, we all know it was really a vote for Palin, than it was for McCain, which gave that ticket the most appeal.
Shit vs shittier is the two choices we've been given for decades and the parties know people will still cast a vote regardless. The GOP didn't learn its lesson with W, McCain or Romney and they're still probably going to give us another big government moderate.
Well no more for me. I'll let "shittier" continue to drive the sinking ship until things get bad enough people won't accept shit or shittier anymore. How bad does it have to get?
Listen to Carl Rove. He will say the GOP needs an "electable" candidate. How has that worked out for the GOP? And they call Libertarians too right wing and unelectable. Well this is me giving them and McCain the middle finger!
We will see if this is just a few pesky libertarian kids or something much bigger.
RogerinTPA
08-18-13, 13:44
Shit vs shittier is the two choices we've been given for decades and the parties know people will still cast a vote regardless. The GOP didn't learn its lesson with W, McCain or Romney and they're still probably going to give us another big government moderate.
Well no more for me. I'll let "shittier" continue to drive the sinking ship until things get bad enough people won't accept shit or shittier anymore. How bad does it have to get?
Listen to Carl Rove. He will say the GOP needs an "electable" candidate. How has that worked out for the GOP? And they call Libertarians too right wing and unelectable. Well this is me giving them the middle finger!
It's all an allusion and has been for the past few decades, if not the past century. The allusion of choice. Both parties have a tendency to really Eff it up once in power, with the overall goal of tanking this once great nation. We are now USA, Inc. A corporation controlled by foreign banks/world globalist. Until we have a mechanism of control (Term Limits) and people choose to get more informed, to get rid of the politicians who violated their Oath to the People, we will continue to sink economically, politically, morally and ethically, regardless of who's in power. The majority of the elected officials should be jailed or hanged for treason. Until the people stop getting distracted by misinformation, self gratification, and entertainment side shows, we'll be a turd world country within our lifetime. It's an information war, and the conservatives are losing because it is divided on ideology, doesn't have a solid platform to run on, nor an effective mechanism to disseminate it's message to the other half of the country. Unless the People wake the f--k up, we're toast.
I don't view McCain the same after I read this article.
He basically failed miserably to live up to his family name in the Naval Academy but not for lack of trying. All the while dating beautiful women by his standards by staying persistent. It was like he always wanted more than what he got.
He gets back from Vietnam and sees his wife in her condition and knows it's over but keeps up a front to friends and family. So he's a skirt chaser. A lot of people get divorced over it. He marries into money. What's interesting is neither he nor his ex-wife, nor his current wife will talk about that time in his life. Yet his ex-wife claims she's perfectly happy??? He won the family and friends back over with his charm and apparent candor.
He starts in politics with help from his new wife's family influence. He wants more and more power and his ambition has always gotten the best of him. Whatever it takes. Even getting very chummy with the other side to gain likeability. He's confessed several times to wanting to be President. The dirtiness he experienced in his primary run against George W. in 2000 had a strong effect on him.
He finally wins the primary in 2008 but the defeat to Obama makes him an even more bitter old man. So he starts lashing out at younger up and coming guys in his own party. It's really not surprising to me anymore. And I almost voted for the clown.
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/27/us/pow-to-power-broker-a-chapter-most-telling.html
He's just a worthless piece of shit.
He can't pass the liberal agenda fast enough.
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