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http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-defends-textbook-calling-muhammad-gods-messenger.html
According to a copy obtained by Fox News, The ninth grade textbook declares that Muhammad is the “Messenger of God” and instructs students that jihad is a duty that Muslims must follow.
“Jihad may be interpreted as a holy war to defend Islam and the Muslim community, much like the Crusades to defend Christianity,” the book states.
The textbook published large passages from the Koran, but failed to include any Scripture from the Bible. And while the book makes declarations about Muhammad being God’s messenger, it does not make declarations about Jesus being God’s son.
“Some believed he was the messiah,” the textbook noted in an entry about Jesus. The book noted that He was later executed, but failed to mention His resurrection.
Brevard Public Schools defended the textbook and said it provided a balanced view of world religions.
These are not benign efforts...This type of propaganda is extremely effective, its exactly how committed democratic socialists mainstreamed homosexuality!
Example 6,349,973 of the "changing" of America via inculcation, indoctrination, and persistence. It is a very gradual, almost glacial-speed, process, but in 20 years this will be all of the US and will be the new norm.
Example 6,349,973 of the "changing" of America via inculcation, indoctrination, and persistence. It is a very gradual, almost glacial-speed, process, but in 20 years this will be all of the US and will be the new norm.
Yes, and this is reason number 6,349,974 why not to let the same people who run the DMV teach your kids. Parents should be prepared to fork out the cash to send their kids to private school or invest the time to home school. Public school should not be any anyone's vocabulary.
Yes, and this is reason number 6,349,974 why not to let the same people who run the DMV teach your kids. Parents should be prepared to fork out the cash to send their kids to private school or invest the time to home school. Public school should not be any anyone's vocabulary.
What about working class folks who can't afford private school and don't have the free time to home school their kids?
This is why we need a voucher program. Everyone has already PAID for public school, there is no reason why anyone should have to pay twice or do a job themselves that they already paid for.
If you could allocate that portion of your property taxes that funds public school towards private school it would become affordable for many working class people. If you were refunded that amount, it may allow you to work less and home school your kids.
I tend to take anything Fox reports with a grain of salt anymore so I would like to see the actual textbook and the context the above is used in.
Does it preface all of this by saying that "Muslims Believe"?
You can teach about a religion without teaching a religion. Which is exactly what a public school should be teaching. I don't expect them to teach about the supernatural. Resurrection for Christianity, lifted bodily into heaven for both Christianity and Islam.
It could also be argued that since Christianity is more understood in this country that it makes more sense to spend more time on topics that the kids may not be as well versed in.
Moose-Knuckle
08-08-13, 17:27
Where is the ACLU . . . where are all the atheists with their lawsuits . . . where are the leftest radicals with their picket signs screaming for Separation of Church and State?
Where is the ACLU . . . where are all the atheists with their lawsuits . . . where are the leftest radicals with their picket signs screaming for Separation of Church and State?
Islam is not a religion but a socioeconomic-governmental-political system? lol
What about working class folks who can't afford private school and don't have the free time to home school their kids?
This is why we need a voucher program. Everyone has already PAID for public school, there is no reason why anyone should have to pay twice or do a job themselves that they already paid for.
If you could allocate that portion of your property taxes that funds public school towards private school it would become affordable for many working class people. If you were refunded that amount, it may allow you to work less and home school your kids.
I agree with what you are saying. We homeschool because I work and my wife stays at home...we can make it happen. That said, don't be fooled into thinking homeschool has to follow a traditional format...you can do it at night, weekends, whenever. If you get fed up enough, you will find a way.
I like a voucher system, and I would also like to see a tax deduction/break for homeschooling families.
I tend to take anything Fox reports with a grain of salt anymore so I would like to see the actual textbook and the context the above is used in.
Does it preface all of this by saying that "Muslims Believe"?
You can teach about a religion without teaching a religion. Which is exactly what a public school should be teaching. I don't expect them to teach about the supernatural. Resurrection for Christianity, lifted bodily into heaven for both Christianity and Islam.
It could also be argued that since Christianity is more understood in this country that it makes more sense to spend more time on topics that the kids may not be as well versed in.
From the sounds of it I do believe that it has the "Muslims Believe" qualifier and to be honest I am okay with that. Knowledge is power. However if the same text book does not give equal weighting to other religions, well that is where the problem comes in. So I guess that is the question.
The text may be explaining what Muslims are taught according to the Koran and not saying that the Muslim way is right, wrong, or whatever. This info would give insight into the Muslim world view--this is not the same thing as saying that it's good, positive, nice, or desirable.
GeorgiaBoy
08-08-13, 22:22
So lets see:
1. The book does not cover Islam as "fact". It says "According Muslim belief", "According to the Quaran..."
2. There is nothing wrong with covering Islamic culture/civilization/and the religion itself in a world history class.
3. It says right there in the article that Christianity and Judaism was covered in-depth in previous grades.
Yeah I see nothing noteworthy here.
Every time I hear someone complaining about public schools I wonder if that person ever bothered to move their butt away from their TV or computer long enough attend a single school board meeting.
I tend to take anything Fox reports with a grain of salt anymore so I would like to see the actual textbook and the context the above is used in.
Does it preface all of this by saying that "Muslims Believe"?
You can teach about a religion without teaching a religion. Which is exactly what a public school should be teaching. I don't expect them to teach about the supernatural. Resurrection for Christianity, lifted bodily into heaven for both Christianity and Islam.
It could also be argued that since Christianity is more understood in this country that it makes more sense to spend more time on topics that the kids may not be as well versed in.
I suspect it probably is a situation where they are discussing religion in the context of various beliefs, but honestly specific "religious studies" topics have no place in public school education K-12. There is simply no reason for them to be taught anything about Christianity, Islam, Buddhism or whatever.
Additionally, the problem does exist and it doesn't even need to be in the textbook. I have direct knowledge of a FL teacher telling her students about voodoo beliefs and you can be sure it didn't come out of the textbook. It came from a Haitian teacher thinking she was completely within her rights to discuss any subject she wanted in whatever context she wanted and that fact that NOBODY was gonna call her on it.
If another teacher had done the same with respect to Christianity or Judaism I suspect they'd have been fired.
Additionally, the problem does exist and it doesn't even need to be in the textbook.
Spot on. I had a teacher in the late 70s, Jewish, who would teach us about the Jewish holidays and Jewish culture and customs. All good, right? No one had an issue...until she started explaining why Judaism was 'right' and everything else 'wrong'. She was not fired, but one day she just stopped, so I know someone said something.
"Education" in school is not limited to the 45, 50 minutes a class is in session.
As for attending school board meetings...those goons are a joke. Watch the news here in central NC for more than 5 minutes and you'd see why...three of the five counties have school boards/personnel/members that make the news on a frequent basis.
There is simply no reason for them to be taught anything about Christianity, Islam, Buddhism or whatever.
Additionally, the problem does exist and it doesn't even need to be in the textbook
You know I will not disagree with that. My feelings on this topic would probably get me banned on this forum. But suffice it to say that I agree public schools should teach anything about religions except that they exist.
But suffice it to say that I agree public schools should teach anything about religions except that they exist.
Can you clarify? Teach anything...except that they exist? I'm just not sure I understand...
brickboy240
08-09-13, 10:31
Can we just teach to kids to read, write and do math?
Lets get those things down really good....THEN you can maybe think about letting in a little social engineering....ok?
-brickboy240
montanadave
08-09-13, 12:06
Where is the ACLU . . . where are all the atheists with their lawsuits . . . where are the leftest radicals with their picket signs screaming for Separation of Church and State?
I don't need to be an ACLU member or a leftist radical to support the separation of church and state.
History books can and should discuss both the positive and negative influences organized religion has had on mankind's development over the span of human history.
But leave the religious/theological discussions to the churches, mosques, synagogues, temples, oak stumps by the ol' north rock, etc.
What about working class folks who can't afford private school and don't have the free time to home school their kids?
This is why we need a voucher program. Everyone has already PAID for public school, there is no reason why anyone should have to pay twice or do a job themselves that they already paid for.
If you could allocate that portion of your property taxes that funds public school towards private school it would become affordable for many working class people. If you were refunded that amount, it may allow you to work less and home school your kids.
Exactly.
montanadave
08-09-13, 12:21
What about working class folks who can't afford private school and don't have the free time to home school their kids?
This is why we need a voucher program. Everyone has already PAID for public school, there is no reason why anyone should have to pay twice or do a job themselves that they already paid for.
If you could allocate that portion of your property taxes that funds public school towards private school it would become affordable for many working class people. If you were refunded that amount, it may allow you to work less and home school your kids.
Which raises the rather sticky situation of those without kids. What if I not only don't like what's being taught in public schools but I don't even have any kids going to the damn things?
If we go the route of refunding tax dollars to folks to make their own choices about how to spend those public revenues earmarked for education, where's my cut? Frankly, I'd rather see a new dog park.
Which raises the rather sticky situation of those without kids. What if I not only don't like what's being taught in public schools but I don't even have any kids going to the damn things?
If we go the route of refunding tax dollars to folks to make their own choices about how to spend those public revenues earmarked for education, where's my cut? Frankly, I'd rather see a new dog park.
The school board theory is even those without kids pay because it is in the best interest of the community to educate everyone and that means few people stealing your car, robbing your home or selling drugs in the community. And I'm sure it's accurate to some degree or another.
If there is a "good kid" with no parents, I think he deserves a fair chance at being educated. Hell I'll even go along with some "at risk" kids who might be reachable.
But we really need two branches of schools.
One for kids who are there to learn things and one for problem kids.
The regular schools get the priority funding and aggressively weed out kids who contribute to a hostile environment through gang activity, extortion of students, selling drugs, etc.
Then we have the supervised education which is basically an asshole containment facility where the opportunity to be educated exists. Pay attention, do your homework, sleep in class, do nothing...it's all up to you. If you can straighten your shit out you can work your way back to regular school, if not you can simply graduate to an adult holding facility when you turn 18.
And if we insist upon letting the children of illegals go to school there needs to be a one year assimilation program where they learn to function in English and everything else they need to know to successfully attend school in this country without taxpayers having to foot the bill for bilingual teachers and spanish only classes. They will be a year behind in most cases but it's better than everyone being held back as we cater to those who really can't function in our school system right now.
If we are all going to pay for public school we should be able to shovel out some of the bullshit. Imagine how much more kids can learn if they didn't have to spend time on which colors are gang colors and what shirt is safe to wear to school on a given day.
montanadave
08-09-13, 12:38
^ I like it.
FlyAndFight
08-09-13, 15:05
The school board theory is even those without kids pay because it is in the best interest of the community to educate everyone and that means few people stealing your car, robbing your home or selling drugs in the community. And I'm sure it's accurate to some degree or another.
If there is a "good kid" with no parents, I think he deserves a fair chance at being educated. Hell I'll even go along with some "at risk" kids who might be reachable.
But we really need two branches of schools.
One for kids who are there to learn things and one for problem kids.
The regular schools get the priority funding and aggressively weed out kids who contribute to a hostile environment through gang activity, extortion of students, selling drugs, etc.
Then we have the supervised education which is basically an asshole containment facility where the opportunity to be educated exists. Pay attention, do your homework, sleep in class, do nothing...it's all up to you. If you can straighten your shit out you can work your way back to regular school, if not you can simply graduate to an adult holding facility when you turn 18.
And if we insist upon letting the children of illegals go to school there needs to be a one year assimilation program where they learn to function in English and everything else they need to know to successfully attend school in this country without taxpayers having to foot the bill for bilingual teachers and spanish only classes. They will be a year behind in most cases but it's better than everyone being held back as we cater to those who really can't function in our school system right now.
If we are all going to pay for public school we should be able to shovel out some of the bullshit. Imagine how much more kids can learn if they didn't have to spend time on which colors are gang colors and what shirt is safe to wear to school on a given day.
Excellent post. I particularly like that "assimulation year" idea. It will help a long way in getting rid of the hyphenated-American crap that only works to divide this country.
I have two kids and both have been attending private schools since pre-school. It's been a VERY expensive endeavor but well worth the investment. I went to a public school but those were different times. I've also been a proponent of the voucher program but like the idea of changing the Federal income tax, I don't see it happening anytime soon.
Excellent post. I particularly like that "assimulation year" idea. It will help a long way in getting rid of the hyphenated-American crap that only works to divide this country.
I have two kids and both have been attending private schools since pre-school. It's been a VERY expensive endeavor but well worth the investment. I went to a public school but those were different times. I've also been a proponent of the voucher program but like the idea of changing the Federal income tax, I don't see it happening anytime soon.
We could actually have excellent public schools if we wanted them. The money is there, it is just horribly mismanaged and misappropriated in ways that are amazingly offensive.
If we dumped all the social engineering crap and stopped with special interest programs which promote a tolerance for gay parents, problematic religions and respect for failed cultures while at the same time promoting a level of tribalism that is astounding we could provide incredible education opportunities to the kids who are in failing public schools right now. There would probably be enough left over for free lunch programs.
All we'd have to do is have a standard of true equality. If you are a good kid it doesn't matter why you are being hassled or bullied. Maybe your a small white kid, maybe your black in a predominantly white school, maybe your parents are gay, maybe your family is muslim. It doesn't matter at all, we should simply not tolerate a good kid being hassled or bullied. Problem kids simply need to be removed regardless of what motivators are making them asshole kids.
We don't need special programs to give Group A preference at the cost of Group B. We don't need programs promoting diversity, just makes sure everyone has a chair and is being treated equally and fairly. Racial composition of a given classroom or school is completely irrelevant when you have all good kids who don't have to attend schools populated by gang members, drug dealers and violent shitheads.
Good kids who are being treated EQUALLY generally don't need to be taught tolerance.
sinlessorrow
08-09-13, 17:12
I tend to take anything Fox reports with a grain of salt anymore so I would like to see the actual textbook and the context the above is used in.
Does it preface all of this by saying that "Muslims Believe"?
You can teach about a religion without teaching a religion. Which is exactly what a public school should be teaching. I don't expect them to teach about the supernatural. Resurrection for Christianity, lifted bodily into heaven for both Christianity and Islam.
It could also be argued that since Christianity is more understood in this country that it makes more sense to spend more time on topics that the kids may not be as well versed in.
I cant believe anyone takes Fox News seriously anymore.
If you'll pardon the religious reference, there is a lot of "preaching" going on in this thread.
There are indeed many, many problems in public education, but the solutions aren't nearly as simple as they appear from the outside.
Want to solve one of the big ones? Find a way to get our best and brightest into teaching. The only way I'm able to afford to do it is because of my military retirement. My monthly take-home from Uncle Sam is 38% more than my teaching pay, and I'm at the top of the pay scale for my state. If I needed health insurance it would consume another 20% of my pay. Since I commute 135 miles daily to work in a low-income rural school I'd probably come out ahead (not to mention have a *lot* more free time) if I were to go back to my pre-Army job as a clerk in a bookstore. But I love helping kids figure out how the world works.
I'm not saying more money is the solution, but simplistic answers like vouchers won't do it either.
I'll say it again: if you *really* care about public education (as opposed to simply enjoying bitching on an Internet forum) go to your school board meetings. If you actually have kids in school, attend your school's site-based council meetings as well.
You can light a candle, or you can curse the darkness.
I'm not saying more money is the solution, but simplistic answers like vouchers won't do it either.
Vouchers would help more than it would hurt.
With all the revenue that the public school system flushes away on complete bullshit leaving only crumbs for teacher salaries, if you can't get the better teachers to come to the public schools then vouchers give parents the OPTION of taking their kids to better teachers at private schools.
And no, it won't fix everything. There are lots and lots of problems. But vouchers would fix the problem for a LOT of families and leave the public school "problems" for those well paid administrators and superintendents to try and solve.
Right now we are taking away from those who work the hardest for their money (working class) and giving it away to those who don't work at all. There has to be some kind of safety net, but there is no reason for a family who works to have exactly the same education options as those who are on welfare, section 8, EBT, etc.
If you'll pardon the religious reference, there is a lot of "preaching" going on in this thread.
There are indeed many, many problems in public education, but the solutions aren't nearly as simple as they appear from the outside.
Want to solve one of the big ones? Find a way to get our best and brightest into teaching. The only way I'm able to afford to do it is because of my military retirement. My monthly take-home from Uncle Sam is 38% more than my teaching pay, and I'm at the top of the pay scale for my state. If I needed health insurance it would consume another 20% of my pay. Since I commute 135 miles daily to work in a low-income rural school I'd probably come out ahead (not to mention have a *lot* more free time) if I were to go back to my pre-Army job as a clerk in a bookstore. But I love helping kids figure out how the world works.
I'm not saying more money is the solution, but simplistic answers like vouchers won't do it either.
I'll say it again: if you *really* care about public education (as opposed to simply enjoying bitching on an Internet forum) go to your school board meetings. If you actually have kids in school, attend your school's site-based council meetings as well.
You can light a candle, or you can curse the darkness.
This is very true, school boards are usually dominated by the group(s) with the loudest mouths. I've never seen a simple concerned local citizen at a meeting. Most view the property tax (a healthy portion of your state tax goes there as well) as a necessary evil. Most view the parents as the consumer that the school system is paying for- by any logic it is everyone who owns property in the district- you're paying for it, you are the one reaping the benefits, whatever they might be.
There are a lot of problems with schools, my whole family is in education across several districts and sates I could think of many. If I could think of one overall cause of the problems it was when we began thinking of education as a right. That was the downfall, just like when we started to think of health care as a right.
The idea of a publicly funded public school is great, but it has been set up for failure in most parts of our country.
Vouchers would help more than it would hurt...
In a very small number of communities you may be right. But really *think* about how this would be implemented across a whole state.
You're shuffling the deck, but the cards are the same.
In a very small number of communities you may be right. But really *think* about how this would be implemented across a whole state.
You're shuffling the deck, but the cards are the same.
Same cards, but at least vouchers wouldn't be stacking the deck.
Where is the ACLU . . . where are all the atheists with their lawsuits . . . where are the leftest radicals with their picket signs screaming for Separation of Church and State?
Even the atheists aren't stupid enough to mess with the Muslims/Islamists. They start filing lawsuits and they get some fatwas issued on their asses. Remember Salman Rushdie?
With all the revenue that the public school system flushes away on complete bullshit leaving only crumbs for teacher salaries, if you can't get the better teachers to come to the public schools then vouchers give parents the OPTION of taking their kids to better teachers at private schools.
This. Arizona ranked 44 out of 51 last year for education (D.C. included). I'm pretty sure Tucson schools are worse.
Instead of improving things like teacher salaries, school supplies, and quality of education, I see a long list of B.S. construction going on. They were building covered parking for the teacher parking lots in all the elementary schools, middle schools, and high schools....in order to add solar panels. Now, I'm all for solar, but this is a waste of taxpayer dollars.
Can we just teach to kids to read, write and do math?
Wow. Let me write that down.
I love these cute one-liners. Let me tell you how it works in my little corner of the real world:
Our high school's reading scores need improvement. We worked all summer (for *free*, BTW--remember my 135 mile commute) to come with a comprehensive plan to fix it. We coordinated with our "feeder school," did curriculum maps for grades 9-12 so each year builds on what was learned during the last. We selected books based on content, complexity, and (because this *is* the real world) cost. On the first day of school *one* parent calls a school board member because they have to purchase a $5 book (never mind the *7* others we found a way to provide at no cost to the parents *or* the taxpayers) and everything snowballs until we're right back at square one. Anybody want to hazard a guess as to what our reading scores will be next year?
This is why I get fired up when I encounter threads like this. If somebody without a clue were to start a thread saying "Colts are overrated and BCMs are overpriced--everybody should get a DPMS because they're the shit" people would be on him like stink. But any Tom Dick or Harry is qualified to render an informed opinion on this subject.
I don't mean to be a dick. I know everyone's heart is in the right place. But believe me when I say this shit is *hard*. We need less bitching and more *involvement*.
Alaskapopo
08-09-13, 20:09
Wow. Let me write that down.
I love these cute one-liners. Let me tell you how it works in my little corner of the real world:
Our high school's reading scores need improvement. We worked all summer (for *free*, BTW--remember my 135 mile commute) to come with a comprehensive plan to fix it. We coordinated with our "feeder school," did curriculum maps for grades 9-12 so each year builds on what was learned during the last. We selected books based on content, complexity, and (because this *is* the real world) cost. On the first day of school *one* parent calls a school board member because they have to purchase a $5 book (never mind the *7* others we found a way to provide at no cost to the parents *or* the taxpayers) and everything snowballs until we're right back at square one. Anybody want to hazard a guess as to what our reading scores will be next year?
This is why I get fired up when I encounter threads like this. If somebody without a clue were to start a thread saying "Colts are overrated and BCMs are overpriced--everybody should get a DPMS because they're the shit" people would be on him like stink. But any Tom Dick or Harry is qualified to render an informed opinion on this subject.
I don't mean to be a dick. I know everyone's heart is in the right place. But believe me when I say this shit is *hard*. We need less bitching and more *involvement*.
Great post and thanks for the efforts you made on your own time to help our kids.
Pat
Wow. Let me write that down.
I love these cute one-liners. Let me tell you how it works in my little corner of the real world:
Our high school's reading scores need improvement. We worked all summer (for *free*, BTW--remember my 135 mile commute) to come with a comprehensive plan to fix it. We coordinated with our "feeder school," did curriculum maps for grades 9-12 so each year builds on what was learned during the last. We selected books based on content, complexity, and (because this *is* the real world) cost. On the first day of school *one* parent calls a school board member because they have to purchase a $5 book (never mind the *7* others we found a way to provide at no cost to the parents *or* the taxpayers) and everything snowballs until we're right back at square one. Anybody want to hazard a guess as to what our reading scores will be next year?
This is why I get fired up when I encounter threads like this. If somebody without a clue were to start a thread saying "Colts are overrated and BCMs are overpriced--everybody should get a DPMS because they're the shit" people would be on him like stink. But any Tom Dick or Harry is qualified to render an informed opinion on this subject.
I don't mean to be a dick. I know everyone's heart is in the right place. But believe me when I say this shit is *hard*. We need less bitching and more *involvement*.
And this is why if people can, they should send their kids into private school. Those who are willing to pay thousands to further their children's education, development, and future success don't bitch about $5.
I applaud you for your efforts, really I do. And I respect you for it.
But, at some point, involvement in a failing system, full of irrational participants will only result in one thing.... Nothing will change very much. It's like a failing levee, you keep putting a finger into a hole to stop the leak, but more keep popping up. More people try to plug holes, more leaks pop up. The system has to be overhauled for any of this to ever work.
I don't mean to be a dick. I know everyone's heart is in the right place. But believe me when I say this shit is *hard*. We need less bitching and more *involvement*.
You aren't the only one with valid experience.
You are/were a teacher. I worked for the school board. I've actually seen people work HARD to not do their job or correct a problem. There are people being paid to accomplish nothing. There are people drawing incredible salaries who are less educated than you. There are actually people being paid to do things that are counter productive to efficiently educating children.
I was "involved", I identified fixable problems that ranged from simple and easy to will require effort and continued involvement. In many, many cases there were people being paid to prevent any of it from happening. This is because they already had a school program dedicated to solving that problem but specifically designed to maintain the problem in perpetuity. And the people in charge of those departments responsible for making sure certain "fixable" problems are never resolved are always paid more than any teacher.
And so long as property owners are without options and the public school system gets funded by default, nothing will ever change. In fact the only meaningful change that happened is me not working there any more.
montanadave
08-09-13, 21:07
The parallels between our public education system and health care are striking. We mandate systems which are to be all things to all people, regardless of circumstance. We expect to receive medical care of staggering complexity and expense, irrespective of our ability to pay, by simply stumbling through the door of an emergency room. And don't dare mention what personal life-style choices the patient might have made prior to succumbing to whatever malady for which they are seeking treatment.
Similarly, proponents of public education expect that system to provide quality educational services to every kid dropped off on the front steps, regardless of physical, mental, or psychological disability, family support, socioeconomic status, prior educational achievement, and whatever other variable we can throw in the mix. We expect virtually every school district, if not every school, to fully accommodate the needs of this disparate collection of students. And don't dare suggest we "segregate" the student population to better focus on and address the needs of any one particular group, because parents and a collection of misguided educational advocates refuse to allow these students to be stigmatized by whatever difficulty interferes with their ability to function within the standard educational curriculum. Oh, and we want all these kids to educated on a budget and, if they fail to meet our mandated performance levels, we're going to cut the budget.
Sure, just like healthcare, we can provide every conceivable service to every conceivable client. Just get ready to spend every penny you have to make it happen. Then get ready to go borrow some more. Because the cost is infinite.
With all the revenue that the public school system flushes away on complete bullshit leaving only crumbs for teacher salaries, if you can't get the better teachers to come to the public schools then vouchers give parents the OPTION of taking their kids to better teachers at private schools.
The 2011 census estimated that AZ spends only $7,666 per student per year, one of the lowest in the nation. In 2011, tuition at the private school my children attend was a little over $5,000 per year per student.
Yet despite the disparity in funding, every year, the private school students consistently managed to test 1.5-2 grade levels above the national average.
This leads me to think if they can get it done with less money, then why the heck are we spending so much on worse results? More funding isn't the answer. They need to get someone in there to clean house and get rid of the career parasites that are draining the system.
The 2011 census estimated that AZ spends only $7,666 per student per year, one of the lowest in the nation. In 2011, tuition at the private school my children attend was a little over $5,000 per year per student.
Yet despite the disparity in funding, every year, the private school students consistently managed to test 1.5-2 grade levels above the national average.
This leads me to think if they can get it done with less money, then why the heck are we spending so much on worse results? More funding isn't the answer. They need to get someone in there to clean house and get rid of the career parasites that are draining the system.
This is not unique to your state.
This is not unique to your state.
I know... I was using AZ as an example because it's the only one I have direct experience with.
The national average spent per student per year was $10,560 in 2011. The problem exists in every state. There is entirely too much corruption, fraud, waste, protection of pet projects, and protection of worthless people holding positions for the system to be viable.
I would compare trying to work in that system like a sane person in a room full of insane people. You either get out, or they drive you insane.
I know... I was using AZ as an example because it's the only one I have direct experience with.
The national average spent per student per year was $10,560 in 2011. The problem exists in every state. There is entirely too much corruption, fraud, waste, protection of pet projects, and protection of worthless people holding positions for the system to be viable.
I would compare trying to work in that system like a sane person in a room full of insane people. You either get out, or they drive you insane.
Public school funding has the same basic problem as all welfare. If you don't have to earn your funding or have to be competitive for that funding it's just a handout that you come to expect and those in charge see it as "their" handout and they will protect it at the cost of others.
Let salaries be dictated by performance at all levels and watch how efficient they become.
Public school funding has the same basic problem as all welfare. If you don't have to earn your funding or have to be competitive for that funding it's just a handout that you come to expect and those in charge see it as "their" handout and they will protect it at the cost of others.
Let salaries be dictated by performance at all levels and watch how efficient they become.
Of course they become dependent on that funding and when funding is reduced or removed altogether the outcome is touted a being apocalyptic in scale.
The 2011 census estimated that AZ spends only $7,666 per student per year, one of the lowest in the nation. In 2011, tuition at the private school my children attend was a little over $5,000 per year per student.
Yet despite the disparity in funding, every year, the private school students consistently managed to test 1.5-2 grade levels above the national average.
And these results have nothing to do with the innate intelligence level and degree of parental support the private school kids get, right? It's all because the school is better.
And these results have nothing to do with the innate intelligence level and degree of parental support the private school kids get, right? It's all because the school is better.
I agree it has a lot to do with it. See my post regarding how parents who are willing to invest in their children don't complain about spending an extra $5 on books. Being surrounded by like minded people helps a lot.
Occasionally, a few of the private school kids struggle to keep up. Sometimes, they get pulled out by their parents and end up being high performers in the local public school.
I also think that regardless of the students' intelligence level, inept teachers and a failing system can stunt a student's love for learning, causing them to never reach their full potential.
It's like moving out of a bad neighborhood. Sometimes you can't change the neighborhood. You have to move on with your life.
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