View Full Version : Poor mans BCM HSP Jack!
The BCM HSP Jack rifles have been VERY successful. So much so, that the demand far exceeds the supply. On the flip side, some folks did not like the HSP Jack because of the permanently attached MB, length of the rail or the cost.
So we asked our good friend Paul to make us a variant of this rifle. The guns we spec'd has a 16" Lite Weight/Pencil barrel (in either standard or hammer forged), Geissele MK4 rail in Sand color, BCM MOD 1 grip in FDE and a B5 Systems Bravo stock in FDE.
Weight of these AR's is only 6 pounds, 3 ounces!
MID-16 LW Standard
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/BCM/MID16_STD_MK4.jpg
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/BCM/MID16_STD_MK4b.jpg
MID-16 LW BFH
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/BCM/MID16_BFH_MK4.jpg
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/BCM/MID16_BFH_MK4c.jpg
I liked this configuration so much, that I had to keep one for myself (down side to being a dealer)! :D
I did make a few changes to mine though. I added a Geissele G2S, B5 Systems QD Receiver Plate and a BCM GunFighter Comp MOD 0.
When the Magpul PRO BUIS's come out, they will go on this gun.
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http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/BCM/MID16_BFH_MK4_GT.jpg
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/BCM/MID16_BFH_MK4_GTa.jpg
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/BCM/MID16_BFH_MK4_BTb.jpg
Eurodriver
08-13-13, 16:08
edit nvm I see they are available on your site.
What's that stamped on the upper receiver? I cant quite make it out.
What's that stamped on the upper receiver? I cant quite make it out.
It's BFH, and acronym that BCM uses for their hammer forged barrels (Barrel, Forged, Hammer).
Tzintzuntzan
08-13-13, 16:38
Ignore.
HardLuck682
08-13-13, 16:43
That's a beautiful rifle.
...sent from my mind, using telepathy!
Grant. That's pretty slick and there is no doubt that is a solid set up.
yhmspecter
08-13-13, 16:48
Very nice set up, love that rail, I was planning to buy the Reece 14.5..That is now been bumped for one of these!!
I love it! All that it needs is to be rattle-canned grey ;)
Grant, why wouldyou do this to me! :eek::D
Jeffro2912
08-13-13, 17:19
That thing looks great, too tempting...
sinlessorrow
08-13-13, 18:40
Killer setup Grant.
Looks good Grant. Very nice price point too.
Wormydog1724
08-13-13, 19:41
It's BFH, and acronym that BCM uses for their hammer forged barrels (Barrel, Forged, Hammer).
I always thought it stood for "Big ****ing Hammer"... :D
Thanks for the feedback. The gun is super lite and maneuverable.
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PatrioticDisorder
08-13-13, 19:48
You literally took everything I didn't like about the Jack and fixed it... And I'll add at a very attractive price point...
MountainRaven
08-13-13, 19:50
Have I mentioned that I hate you, Grant?
Because I hate you.
Only in the best possible way, of course.
You literally took everything I didn't like about the Jack and fixed it... And I'll add at a very attractive price point...
Ya, I read the all the BCM HSP Jack threads and wanted to offer another option for folks.
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Have I mentioned that I hate you, Grant?
Because I hate you.
Only in the best possible way, of course.
Ya, I hear that a lot (get in line). :D
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For those interested in these rifles, they are listed on the BCM section of our website.
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=MID16LW-MK4S
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=MID16LW-BFH-MK4S
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You have exquisite taste Grant!! I had the same idea and got most of the components from you. I'm not using the AFG, the MK4 just doesn't need it.
http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz267/edmateo50/photo_zps3554a505.jpg
I do have the Jack as well and love them both.
Nice rifle!
Looks like my rifle except I built it before the Jack or the MK IV existed. I think this one is 7lbs 4oz.....
http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/af269/CoryCop25/ARs/null_zpsd237861a.jpg (http://s1014.photobucket.com/user/CoryCop25/media/ARs/null_zpsd237861a.jpg.html)
Grant, I'm in the hate line right now. I'm trying to unload an AR right now not add another to the safe!
Kinda looks like my build.. Well know have the MK3 on it but I really liked the Mark 4 also. Nice setup Grant
http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/q629/blak1508/d22e92cbe86748b06d39a7f7536f046b_zps51b1a7a7.jpg
I've never given a shit about color, but man the color combination rubs me wrong. Now, that black one above is beautiful.
I've never given a shit about color, but man the color combination rubs me wrong. Now, that black one above is beautiful.
I was just thinking the same thing lol. Reminds me of the mismatched browns on the scar. While I like the build as far as components, I rather have it all black. I think one of the appeals to the Jack Carbine is the uniformity in color.
wetidlerjr
08-14-13, 04:58
Great looking rifle, Grant. If I hadn't built a Jack clone already, I would be all over this.
Keep up the good work!
I've never given a shit about color, but man the color combination rubs me wrong. Now, that black one above is beautiful.
The "sand" color by Geissele is unique I think and originally I didn't care for it much, but I now like it.
Black is boring, put a little color in your life! ;)
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wetidlerjr
08-14-13, 09:04
I did my "Homemade Jack" in all black but a little color never hurts.
Grease Monkey
08-14-13, 09:57
That's sweet right there! Great setup and great price!
Your configuration makes a lot more sense compared to the Jack.
The 14.5" gov't profile mid with a 10" rail was straight-up goofy.
justin_247
08-14-13, 11:06
The 14.5" gov't profile mid with a 10" rail was straight-up goofy.
I agree on this. Whenever you see Haley shooting it in various videos, his hand is so far out on the rail that his fingers usually touch the barrel. I have no idea why they went with a 10" rail. Seems silly.
I agree on this. Whenever you see Haley shooting it in various videos, his hand is so far out on the rail that his fingers usually touch the barrel. I have no idea why they went with a 10" rail. Seems silly.
I think I am the only one here that likes the idea of the 10" rail. Still, however, it is not ideal. I would chop off another itch or so and add the FSB, or add another inch to completely cover the gas block.
I would still trade my 12" for a 10 though.
And Grant, are you considering to sell any of those rifles in your personal configuration- the B5 QD, BCM comp, etc?
Looks good!
I am sure this has been hashed, and re-hashed, but what was the final consensus on LW barrels when you heat them up doing VTAC 1-5 drills back to back and then take a 200 yard shot on the next course of fire a few minutes later. Text-book deviation only, or would you notice/care?
WickedWillis
08-14-13, 12:59
This website will cause me to commit financial suicide.
10" rail was for his WML. Wouldn't go with a 13.
This website will cause me to commit financial suicide.
Yep, Fighting my urges..:help:
Good looking rifles. Those are my favorite hand guards!
Thanks for the feedback. The gun is super lite and maneuverable.
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THIS! i have a few MK# rails and for giggles i put my MK4 on my BFH lw 14.5" for a bit (its back on my 300BLK now) and was was super light! i went back to the 13" MK1 on it and its still really light!
this is the first LW barrel setup i've run and i can definitely see what all the fuss has been about on these! i put this together as a backup to my JACK but like this much more more due to the being so much lighter up front!
wetidlerjr
08-15-13, 17:21
I think I am the only one here that likes the idea of the 10" rail....
No, you are not as I am fine with a 10" rail, also. I fail to see anything "goofy" about it.
MountainRaven
08-15-13, 20:58
I agree on this. Whenever you see Haley shooting it in various videos, his hand is so far out on the rail that his fingers usually touch the barrel. I have no idea why they went with a 10" rail. Seems silly.
Maybe he wanted the glorious bombproofness of the Mk1 without the ridiculous weight penalty of the 13" Mk1?
Maybe he wanted the glorious bombproofness of the Mk1 without the ridiculous weight penalty of the 13" Mk1?
the Mk1 is a hog but the Mk2 is nice!
Limited run or you will stock these for a while
Any way you can get the stock and pistol grip in black and the rail in sand?
Grant:
That sand color is pretty dark in relation to the FDE grip and stock. Just for comparison do you have a grip and stock in Coyote Brown that might match up? If so could you post a photo? THANKS
Limited run or you will stock these for a while
Any way you can get the stock and pistol grip in black and the rail in sand?
VERY LIMITED RUN! Only have about 7 guns left.
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Grant:
That sand color is pretty dark in relation to the FDE grip and stock. Just for comparison do you have a grip and stock in Coyote Brown that might match up? If so could you post a photo? THANKS
We do not (sorry).
Keep in mind, photo's are somewhat misleading. In the pics I posted the FDE stock and grip show up MUCH lighter than they actually are.
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Can you offer these with the FDE BCM receiver set?
Can you offer these with the FDE BCM receiver set?
Not at this time.
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Can you offer these with the FDE BCM receiver set?
That would look good!! Especially seeing how good the tan mk4 looks in person! I almost feel guilty that I'm getting it cerakoted kryptek with the rest of the gun
MountainRaven
08-17-13, 10:57
Also related to this thread:
I built a "Montana Jack" with parts laying around plus 'Jack' parts. No, I don't have any pictures of it.
But it was a 16" mid-length government profile BFH barrel from BCM, sand 13" Mk1, FDE SOPMOD Bravo, and FDE BCM Gunfighter grip. And the whole gun looked just fine (to me). Even/especially with a Trijicon TA31 ECOS on it. So unless you're a big color-match nut (eg, you can't stand FDE SCARs), I wouldn't worry about it.
And I ended up selling the 'Montana Jack' when I finally got an HSP Jack. The balance and weight of the HSP Jack killed my appreciation for the MT Jack.
If I were going to built another MT Jack, it would look an awful lot like this "Poor Man's Jack", down to the optional Geissele trigger. (I'd probably rock a Mk3 instead of the Mk4, though.)
Good job. Great package at a great price.
Put my new Vortex 1-6 HD on my BCM JACK Clone and shot some groups. Pretty impressed for a chrome lined gun!
Hornady 55gr FMJ BT .6
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/BCM/BCM_BFH_HORN55gr_FMJ.jpg
BlackHills 77gr MK .5
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/BCM/BCM_BFH_BHMK_77gr.jpg
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That's some nice shootin'!
:)
bluejackets92fs
08-17-13, 17:31
Someone buy my MOD 0 so I can buy this!
Suwannee Tim
08-17-13, 18:48
What is that feature just forward of the pivot pin? Is that a barrel clamp system? Does it work with a standard barrel or is a proprietary barrel needed?
This is a really nice set up. I wish I had the funds to make this my second carbine. Right now I only have the money to put together a carbine for my wife over the course of the next year:sad:
It is really nice to see G&R bringing these well thought out firearms to the market.
What is that feature just forward of the pivot pin? Is that a barrel clamp system? Does it work with a standard barrel or is a proprietary barrel needed?
Are you talking about the Geissele rail? If so, that rail will work with any barrel.
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What is that feature just forward of the pivot pin? Is that a barrel clamp system? Does it work with a standard barrel or is a proprietary barrel needed?
Proprietary barrel nut but not barrel. As grant mentioned its universal for barrel fitment. The set screw above the pivot pin are for setting rail alignment and work great!
How many of the original Jack Carbine made?
Suwannee Tim
08-18-13, 02:18
Are you talking about the Geissele rail? If so, that rail will work with any barrel.
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I think I see it now. The barrel attaches to the upper with a proprietary nut and the rail clamps to the nut with two clamp screws and indexes with two set screws. Is that right?
Good looking rifle at a great price point.
Yeah Tim here is the barrel nut if you haven't seen it:
http://geissele.com/images/products/detail/9.5inchMK4B.JPG
I think I see it now. The barrel attaches to the upper with a proprietary nut and the rail clamps to the nut with two clamp screws and indexes with two set screws. Is that right?
The rails doesn't clamp to the barrel nut. The rail has anti-rotational tabs on either side that interface with the receiver.
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The rails doesn't clamp to the barrel nut. The rail has anti-rotational tabs on either side that interface with the receiver.
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Will any lasers/front buis return to zero when removing and reinstalling a Geissele rail?
Good looking rifle Mr Grant! But I'm still a LE6920 fan (At least that's what I'm gonna keep repeating to myself).
Will any lasers/front buis return to zero when removing and reinstalling a Geissele rail?
Yes they will return to a zero given you properly index, and tighten down the cross bolts, and set screws.
The use of a large surface area one piece mount like a ADM, larue, or bobro mount during the installs help ensure this property.
Will any lasers/front buis return to zero when removing and reinstalling a Geissele rail?
Not sure why you would do this, but my guess is that it would be very close.
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Not sure why you would do this, but my guess is that it would be very close.
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No chance of buying that upper seperately (or making one on your site)?
Don't "need" another lower right this second.
No chance of buying that upper seperately (or making one on your site)?
Don't "need" another lower right this second.
No as we simply do not have that many.
Also, we get a request a day for a BCM lower. So you could always sell the lower. ;)
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My gun is getting closer to being done! Added a T-1, Bobro Aimpoint Micro mount, IO cover and SF rail covers.
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http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/Grant's%20weapons/BCM_BFH_GeisseleMK4S.jpg
txf15crewchief
09-28-13, 17:54
My gun is getting closer to being done! Added a T-1, Bobro Aimpoint Micro mount, IO cover and SF rail covers.
C4
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/Grant's%20weapons/BCM_BFH_GeisseleMK4S.jpg
Howdy Grant, do you have any pictures of this rifle with the Vortex you mentioned earlier in this thread?
Howdy Grant, do you have any pictures of this rifle with the Vortex you mentioned earlier in this thread?
I do not.
There is also only ONE of these left.
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Updated pics of this gun can be found here: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=1771729&posted=1#post1771729
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