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http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=24192&title=AR-15/M16%20PMAG%20POLYMER%20MAGAZINE&s=51887#51887
They alsp show to have all colors of the Pmag Ranger butt plates.
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=26347&mc_ID=4011
Also, with Brownells, if you are LEO; tell them that when you order and they have a pretty good LEO discount on most things.
Submariner
04-19-08, 10:29
Tell me again why 20-round mags are a good idea?:confused:
Robb Jensen
04-19-08, 10:48
Tell me again why 20-round mags are a good idea?:confused:
The yellow glasses shooters will like them for prone and bench shooting. I use 20s for sighting in off the bench. Everything else I use 30s.
Tell me again why 20-round mags are a good idea?:confused:
Some people work for employers that mandate them.
Heavy Metal
04-19-08, 11:26
One good thing about 20's is they easily fit in BDU or Field Jacket pockets.
Tell me again why 20-round mags are a good idea?:confused:
20 round magazines identify specialty ammunition in my cruiser as opposed to standard duty issue. I know plenty of other Officers who do the same thing.
Some people work for employers that mandate them.
Bingo. And there's more of them than people would think.
A handful I can think of allow 30s only for spares. One issues one fifty round box of ammo, 1-20rd, 1-30rd to carry it in.
Detective_D
04-19-08, 12:50
and there are some states that do not allow 30 round magaizines right?
So some people have been stuck with 20 round USGI until now.
Tell me again why 20-round mags are a good idea?:confused:
- Good for bench shooting (and maybe prone shooting also?)
- Can indicate different ammo type
- Lighter and smaller load means easier handling for the lady of the house
- Conveniently filled by exactly 1 box of ammo :D
varoadking
04-20-08, 07:16
Bummer...I'd so looked forward to these, but...
...Pmags don't seem to work in my DPMS lower... :mad:
Bummer...I'd so looked forward to these, but...
...Pmags don't seem to work in my DPMS lower... :mad:
Are your PMAGs the revised version?
http://www.magpul.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=80_120&products_id=271
OldNavyGuy
04-20-08, 09:13
Originally Posted by Submariner View Post
Tell me again why 20-round mags are a good idea?
other than the stated reasons, if you need more than 20 rounds..., you need more practice :D
varoadking
04-20-08, 09:38
Are your PMAGs the revised version?
http://www.magpul.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=80_120&products_id=271
The Date Code is 7/07...
The one 30 round Pmag I bought recently will not lock-up in my DPMS lower...
20 rounders can work great for operating in more confined spaces, like dumv's.
prone shooting
gets your rifle closer to the ground and makes you less of a target
Chad
we have not received any 20rd PMAGs in yet but are hoping to get them soon.
I ordered two from Brownells the minute they sent me an email update. Should be here tomorrow according to UPS.
decodeddiesel
04-22-08, 09:57
Got 2 on the way with a 3 pack of P-mag Ranger plates. We'll see how they work for range mags.
The Date Code is 7/07...
The one 30 round Pmag I bought recently will not lock-up in my DPMS lower...
I have 8 PMags dated 07/07 and they all drop free and lock up from my 2 DPMS stripped lowers. I didn't have to sand the mags or anything.
Tell me again why 20-round mags are a good idea?:confused:
The cruiser racks we use won't hold the gun with a 30 rd mag in it, so they're in the racks with 20s, and 30s are on hand for spares.
20 rounders can work great for operating in more confined spaces, like dumv's.
Or out of a tennis racquet bag.
CarlosDJackal
04-22-08, 12:03
Tell me again why 20-round mags are a good idea?:confused:
I plan on using them for zeroing and High-Power matches. :rolleyes:
Alaskapopo
04-22-08, 12:34
prone shooting
gets your rifle closer to the ground and makes you less of a target
Chad
we have not received any 20rd PMAGs in yet but are hoping to get them soon.
I prefer 30 round mags for prone shooting as they make a much better mono pod. 20 round mags don't serve much of a purpose for me. But I did buy 2 of them from Brownells for my collection.
Pat
20 rounders can work great for operating in more confined spaces, like dumv's.
I usually use a 20 as my in-gun mag on my truck gun...
AIM Surplus has them now too.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Magpul_Polymer_20rd_.223_AR15_M16_PMAG_Magazines.html
bullitt5172
04-22-08, 15:23
I've been running (20) OD Green 20rd PMAG's for the last couple of months. Drake sent me some to T&E. They have been flawless, work just like the 30rd mags.
varoadking
04-22-08, 19:17
I have 8 PMags dated 07/07 and they all drop free and lock up from my 2 DPMS stripped lowers. I didn't have to sand the mags or anything.
I can see how they would drop free, but how would any magazine lock-up in a stripped lower?
Tell me again why 20-round mags are a good idea?:confused:
I am on the same page with you, especially at the same price as the 30 round mags. :D
I can see how they would drop free, but how would any magazine lock-up in a stripped lower?
Sorry, I should have explained a little further. The 1 DPMS lower has a Stag LPK and the other has RRA LPK.
edited: varoadking, what I would personally try is push the magazine catch button in with a screw driver or something and on the other side turn the magazine catch 1 or maybe 2 turns counter clockwise to loosen it a little bit and see if that gets the pmag to lock in. This is the first time I've heard of PMags not fitting in DPMS lowers. But then again, I've been out of the loop of AR's for several months.
I just got two of them in to try and one has already made it into my duty rifle. I was amazed at how much lighter and livelier it made the gun feel over a 30 rounder. As I spend much much more time clearing buildings at work with it than shooting, I figured lighter was better versus 10 extra rounds. There are still plenty of 30 rounders in the go bag however.
The other thing I am looking at is carrying the other 20 rounder on my duty belt so I always have a spare mag on me. The 20 rounder even with the ranger plate is really no taller than my radio, pistol mags or mace. I'll probably end up with a blade tech holder and it should disappear with the rest of the gear.
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=24192&title=AR-15/M16%20PMAG%20POLYMER%20MAGAZINE&s=51887#51887
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=13664
I got my shipment in today. They are nice. I'll have to set aside some for myself before they all go...
It also seems that Brownells is charging $1 more than MSRP. MSRP is listed in the 2008 Magpul catalog as $13.95
Chad
Can you snap some pics of them side by side?
decodeddiesel
04-23-08, 16:15
I got my shipment in today. They are nice. I'll have to set aside some for myself before they all go...
It also seems that Brownells is charging $1 more than MSRP. MSRP is listed in the 2008 Magpul catalog as $13.95
Chad
Thanks for pointing that out. Kinda sucks, but oh well at least I only ordered 2 from Brownells.
varoadking
04-25-08, 22:43
Bummer...I'd so looked forward to these, but...
...Pmags don't seem to work in my DPMS lower... :mad:
Problem solved...
...remove dust cover before inserting magazine...
DOH!
UPS showed up just as I was walking out the door to go to the range. It should come as no suprise, but they work.
AnchorArmament
04-26-08, 05:50
I wasn't real excited about the 20's until we got our first shipment in. I had forgotten how handy the 20 round mags are and the 20 round Pmags are even better.
My 10 year old son likes them because he shoots an AR off the bi-pod and the 20's will help him.
Lancer may be developing a 20 round mag as well.
I just need some 5 round polymer mags for hunting;)
AIM Surplus has them now too.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Magpul_Polymer_20rd_.223_AR15_M16_PMAG_Magazines.html
We have them in stock as well. ;)
C4
decodeddiesel
04-26-08, 10:43
Got 2 yesterday plus some P-Mag ranger plates! I love these little magazines!
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/decodeddiesel/GunsandP-Mag4-25-2008027.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/decodeddiesel/GunsandP-Mag4-25-2008023.jpg
:D
John Hearne
04-27-08, 12:51
The other thing I am looking at is carrying the other 20 rounder on my duty belt so I always have a spare mag on me. The 20 rounder even with the ranger plate is really no taller than my radio, pistol mags or mace. I'll probably end up with a blade tech holder and it should disappear with the rest of the gear.
Bianchi makes a pouch that holds four single stack magazines. It is utterly worthless for its stated purpose but if you remove the flimsy plastic divider, it holds a 20 round magazine perfectly.
I didn't read this whole thread, but in response to the question of why 20rd mags, besides bench and prone shooting are legal issues.
Here in Va., if you are carrying any semiautomatic weapon on or about your person, and it has in it a magazine capable of holding more than 20 rds., you are considered to be carrying an "assault weapon", and stiffer penalties apply. This only applies to the magazine in the weapon, but if the LEO says to the judge that the 30rd. mag in the case was the one that was in the gun, who's he gonna believe? I think that if I were carrying a loaded AR as a civilian, then I would just have a couple 20s.
Mine arrived from AIM today. Very nice as usual for Magpul.
AIM has $0.01 shipping on all Magpul products.
Today I noticed that the dust caps arent compatable with the 30rd mags.
20rd on left, 30rd on right
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m127/johnson_n/IMG_2054.jpg
30rd on left, 20rd on right
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m127/johnson_n/IMG_2047.jpg
decodeddiesel
05-01-08, 19:14
Confirmed. I noticed this when I brought some 20s to the range last weekend.
I just took delivery of 2 pmag 20's (and two more 30's in eveil black).... the 20's freely drop from my MEGA lower empty or full. No problem. NO problem w/ the 30's either.
I also changed out all my green followers in my USGI 30's w/ Gen III's that I got with the mag order. I noticed my Center Industries mags had silver springs and my Colt (Okay) had bronze colored springs .. not sure what is what there. The Gen III's made them all work silky smooth.
HH
Bianchi makes a pouch that holds four single stack magazines. It is utterly worthless for its stated purpose but if you remove the flimsy plastic divider, it holds a 20 round magazine perfectly.
John,
Do you mean like the below? The pouches were worthless for 1911 maagzines, but they work well enough for a standard 20 round magazine, and fit like they were made for a 20 round PMAG with Ranger Plate.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20II/IMG_2671%201028%20Stick.jpg
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Magpul%20Gear/IMG_0157.jpg?t=1210353882
S/F,
Jeff
The followers in the 20 rounders seem a little sticky when compared to a Pmag 30 or an aluminum 20. Any one had any problems with their P-Mag 20's?
The followers in the 20 rounders seem a little sticky when compared to a Pmag 30 or an aluminum 20. Any one had any problems with their P-Mag 20's?
I've run them in fullauto, with and without cans, and just completed a 2,000+ round test of the D-M4LE using 20 round PMAGs. No problems here. Check your follower and see if there is a little bit of flashing on the rear, if there is, clean it off with a sharp knife.
davemcdonald
05-11-08, 09:20
Tell me again why 20-round mags are a good idea?:confused:
I carry my LMT SBR in a Blue tennis racket case (single racket). A 30 rnd mag is too long too fit in the case as I have an Aimpoint M4 mounted also. So a twenty rnd mag stays loaded in the SBR.
Dave
varoadking
05-11-08, 09:27
John,
Do you mean like the below? The pouches were worthless for 1911 maagzines, but they work well enough for a standard 20 round magazine, and fit like they were made for a 20 round PMAG with Ranger Plate.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20II/IMG_2671%201028%20Stick.jpg
Anyone have a product number and link for an online purchase of this pouch?
TIA
Those 20rders looks sharp and the PMAG plates are a must!! WOOT!
Thanks Stick. That did the trick.
decodeddiesel
05-11-08, 18:55
The followers in the 20 rounders seem a little sticky when compared to a Pmag 30 or an aluminum 20. Any one had any problems with their P-Mag 20's?
You do realize that in order to work in a straight magazine the follower must tilt correct? The only issue I have seen so far (about 600 rounds of PRVI M193, BH 77 SMKs, and FPD TAP) is the dust covers from the 30s will not fit on the 20s and vise versa...
Tell me again why 20-round mags are a good idea?:confused:
20 rounders have been popular in law enforcement circles for years.
Some agencies require 20 round magazines per policy.
On my agency per policy, it's required that an Officer carry his Patrol Carbine / SWAT carbine in "Condition 3" (on an empty chamber press the trigger, after the trigger has released leave the fire selector on safe, and insert a fully loaded magazine), this is also known as "Cruizer ready". Same condition most agencies carry their shotguns in. The Department doesn't equip our Patrol units with carbine racks, because all carbines are personally owned. Thus per policy the rifle / carbine has to be carried in a case (soft or hard) in the trunk)
Because we have to carry in our carbines in "Condition 3" (and due to the fact that many Officers have optics on their carbines), many guys find that their carbines won't fit in their rifle cases with a 30 round magazine inserted in the rifle, but the rifle / carbine will fit in the case with a 20 round mag. Part of our qualification course calls for the rifle / carbine to be in the case, in Condition 3, and the Officer has to retreive his rifle from his case, make ready and engage targets.
For some applications 20 rounders actually offer an advantage over 30 rounds.
Consider that a majority of law enforcement officers that carry an AR15, carry an AR15 in a carbine configuration. Thus the AR15 has a carbine length handguard or carbine length rail system attached to it.
It's not uncommon for a Patrol Officer to deploy his rifle / carbine and end up on a perimeter for several hours.
When sitting on a perimeter for several hours, most of the time you will try to find cover and use that cover to rest your AR on while still aimed in the direction of the threat. Sometimes that cover is a wall, a vehicle, the SWAT APC, etc.
With the shorter carbine handguard and a curved 30 round magazine, this limits the pieces of cover an Officer can rest his gun on. Unless he wants to rest the barrel on the cover.
Here is a pic that can illistrate the situtuation better than I can explain it. In the pic below, the only reason the handguard of the rifle is on the barricade is because it's a mid-length barrel with a LaRue 9.0 rail.
If I were running a carbine with a 7.0, my barrel would be on the barricade due to the curved 30 round magazine. With a 20 round magazine, I would be able to rest the forearm of a carbine on this barricade:
http://demigodllc.com/photo/PRM-2007.07/small/D461_9051_img.jpg
While I have never had to use a turned over 55 gallon drum in the field to rest my rifle on, this is just an example of how a 20 rounder has some utility for some of us.
Take care and be safe,
S/F,
Jeff
I hope they hury and release FDE!
20
Thus per policy the rifle / carbine has to be carried in a case (soft or hard) in the trunk)
I believe this is a fairly common policy. It's pretty dumb. I don't even drive to the range with my rifle in a case... it's on the seat, ready to grab and go.
I've seen Deputies out here with the rifle laying on the passenger's seat..... where it belongs. The rifle instructor for the Sheriff's office out here is a big advocate for changing the policy to carry rifles in condition 1. His logic is that we don't carry our pistols with and empty chamber.... why don't we carry our rifles the same way? I'm not sure how at ease I am with carrying a non-drop safe weapon in condition 1 though.
I hope they hury and release FDE!
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20II/IMG_2718%201028%20Stick.jpg
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20II/IMG_2718%201028%20Stick.jpg
Yeah. Yeah, Yeah!:p
DesertWarrior13
05-15-08, 00:34
I just found this: :D
FDE & OD
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=24192&title=AR-15/M16%20PMAG%20POLYMER%20MAGAZINE
I just found this: :D
FDE & OD
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=24192&title=AR-15/M16%20PMAG%20POLYMER%20MAGAZINE
Yes, they are shipping the 20's in OD and FDE. We should have them shortly.
C4
I got one. I was dying to see how Magpul approached the follower since the 20 round straight body can't be a true anti tilt.
They stuck it. The nose won't tilt, but the back will to allow for the curvature of a 20 round stack of 5.56.
Pretty impressive.
The odd thing is that the feedlip cover is notched so that the 20 and 30 are not interchangeable. :confused:
The odd thing is that the feedlip cover is notched so that the 20 and 30 are not interchangeable. :confused:
Yes, that's very annoying. I marked my 20-rd feedlip covers so I could easily distiguish them from my 30-rounders.
You'd think they'd have made them a different color or some other obvious distinguishing mark or something. Not a big deal though.
DesertWarrior13
05-15-08, 11:15
Yes, they are shipping the 20's in OD and FDE. We should have them shortly.
C4
Great, can't wait. I don't know why Brownells is more expensive than anyone else?
Great, can't wait. I don't know why Brownells is more expensive than anyone else?
Generally they are, but the Pmags are priced the same that everyone else has them. I don't sweat a buck or two on mag price if I need something that only brownells has anyway.
Great, can't wait. I don't know why Brownells is more expensive than anyone else?
Brownells does not cater to the consumer, but to the dealer/LE. They have to have higher prices in order to ge their profit margins out of dealer sales.
C4
Not just Brownells
I got a bunch of colored 20r PMAG in today. Don't know which color(s) except for OD (shipments come in at a different location than where I am at and are being picked up by the wife as I type this)
Will post more in my dealer forums later when I have the color mix
Chad
eguns.com
I have seem some discussion about the usefulness of the Magpul's new PMAG 20's.
I shoot a local run and gun rifle match. It just so happens that two of match directors are a Police Captain and a Police Sergeant that work for the same agency as me.
In a recent match, Capt. Xxxxxx built a barrier that was the same height as the Ford Crown Victoria's that we use at work.
On this stage you had to shoot under the barrier (same height as a Ford Crown Vic). As you can see in the pic below I was using a USGI 30 round magazine.
Due to the lenght of the 30 round magazine, I was forced to cant my carbine in order to see the target.
A PMAG 20 would have been very useful in this situation:
http://demigodllc.com/photo/PRM-2008.05/smaller/D462_6381_img.jpg
http://demigodllc.com/photo/PRM-2008.05/smaller/D462_6384_img.jpg
S/F,
Jeff
The odd thing is that the feedlip cover is notched so that the 20 and 30 are not interchangeable. :confused:
.... and there was great wailing and gnashing of teeth. :D
Insert random 20 round PMAG picture for MarkM/ Demigod (PS- Get your real user name back!!)
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20II/IMG_3795%201028%20Stick.jpg
(PS- Get your real user name back!!)
I'll have to start working on that. It was taken when I registered here, but only a few posts were ever made. Maybe they can purge that account and free it up for me.
I fear that people might take the demigod name as though I take myself too seriously.
I
Due to the lenght of the 30 round magazine, I was forced to cant my carbine in order to see the target.
I'd have gone roll over prone. (or whatever that position is called where you fire on your side, strong side shoulder down, with the ejection port facing the ground.)
I'd have gone roll over prone. (or whatever that position is called where you fire on your side, strong side shoulder down, with the ejection port facing the ground.)
demigod,
The roll over prone is definately an option of the conditions allow it (ie. clear line of sight between your muzzle and the target). Below is a repost where someone on another site recommended the roll over prone:
Consider that the earth is not flat and conditions are not always perfect.
There may be times where you can see and engage the target from a standard prone position, but if you were to go into a lower position like a roll over prone, you may not be able to see or engage the target due to a curb, small hill, etc.
I have had situations come up at this match where I was shooting from the prone, using the magazine as a monopod, I could see the target through my optic, but my rounds were impacting a small dirt berm 20' - 30" in front of me. Just by getting into a slightly higher prone position (getting the magazine just a couple inches off the deck) I was able to engage the target.
Just food for thought
S/F,
Jeff
I'd think that in the example above, rolling the gun sideways brings the bore and the sights on the same horizontal plane. In other words, you could get your bore a few inches higher with the gun on it's side.
I'm sure there's many factors to consider, and no ONE correct answer for every shot.... How much time you have to get the shot off, what angle your target is from under the vehicle, etc.
The odd thing is that the feedlip cover is notched so that the 20 and 30 are not interchangeable. :confused:
maybe that notch keep the cover in place better, preventing left-right movement....just a guess...
do 30rounders still come with the non-notched cover?
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