View Full Version : So Are We Going To DIscuss Private Chelsea Manning....?
Talk about a continuous and ongoing train wreck.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/manning-asks-to-be-known-as-a-woman-named-chelsea-creating-potential-problems-for-military/2013/08/23/7a48c374-0bce-11e3-89fe-abb4a5067014_story.html
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Bradley Manning is the first transgender military inmate to ask for hormone treatments, officials say, a request that could lead to a legal showdown over how — and if — the soldier convicted in the WikiLeaks case will be allowed to live as a female behind bars.
Current Pentagon policy dictates that transgender soldiers are not allowed to serve, and Manning won’t be discharged until being released from prison and all appeals are exhausted. Furthermore, the military does not allow soldiers to undergo hormone treatments while in the all-male prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kan. — though this is the first time officials have heard of a request for such treatment, said Maria Tolleson, a spokeswoman with the Army Medical Command in Arlington, Va.
montanadave
08-24-13, 13:47
I will only comment that this is one twist I did not see coming.
MountainRaven
08-24-13, 13:52
I don't see what harm could be done by making Bradsea Manning wait until s/he's served his'er prison sentence before undergoing any gender reassignment procedures.
S/he's been a man for twenty-some years and s/he'll be out in eight, if s/he's well-behaved. And in the meantime, s/he'll be under close supervision, preventing most forms of self-mutilation that s/he might want resort to in response to his'er lack of happiness with his'er masculinity.
And, frankly, regardless of how I feel about Chelley Manning and WikiLeaks, I don't want my tax dollars paying for a purely elective gender reassignment procedure when s/he's been found guilty of espionage and dishonorably discharged from the military.
montanadave
08-24-13, 13:59
Several years back, I worked with a client diagnosed with gender identity disorder who was in the process of gender reassignment. This necessitated me researching the "nuts and bolts" of gender reassignment surgeries and the various options.
I'm pretty sure one of my testicles has yet to fully descend to its original position. :D
Manning enlisted as a male, was convicted as a male and imprisoned as a male. He can serve his 35 year sentence as a male. Our tax dollars should not be spent on hormone treatments or surgery. Once Manning is released from prison, he can spend his own money to do whatever he likes.
They'd be better off sending one of us the $30000 to kick him in the dick repeatedly.......
Manning enlisted as a male, was convicted as a male and imprisoned as a male. He can serve his 35 year sentence as a male. Our tax dollars should not be spent on hormone treatments or surgery. Once Manning is released from prison, he can spend his own money to do whatever he likes.
I am a big proponent of LGBT rights, everyone on here I have argues with know that.
However I find myself in agreement with this statement. It is not the place of the government to pay for or supplement the surgery. If Manning had already underwent treatment I could see an argument for different housing, etc. But that is not the case here.
SeriousStudent
08-24-13, 15:30
.....
S/he's been a man for twenty-some years and s/he'll be out in eight, if s/he's well-behaved. ......
You might want to research that. I have seen a very small number of prisoners have their sentences commuted by the convening authority while serving them. I am unfamiliar with any military prisoners receiving an early release for good behavior. When they get a sentence, they serve it. Federal time off for good conduct or good behavior is different than military prison or brig time off. They are complete separate prisons and rules.
I am not sure if this have changed in the last 30-40 years. But back then, bad behavior got you into the brig, and good behavior was expected while there. It was not rewarded with early release.
It may have changed, but a web search I did did not lead me to believe it has.
Any JAG folk that can shed some light on that?
Several years back, I worked with a client diagnosed with gender identity disorder who was in the process of gender reassignment. This necessitated me researching the "nuts and bolts" of gender reassignment surgeries and the various options.
I'm pretty sure one of my testicles has yet to fully descend to its original position. :D
I made the huge mistake of actually watching a documentary which included a story about sex change where they split a penis, jammed it up into the cavity with what looked like a shoehorn and fashioned a vagina. It actually chilled me to my very core.
I have not fully recovered and I think this is part of why I have such a tremendous porn collection full of actual, completely normal vaginas.
Army Chief
08-24-13, 15:46
Manning enlisted as a male, was convicted as a male and imprisoned as a male. He can serve his 35 year sentence as a male. Our tax dollars should not be spent on hormone treatments or surgery. Once Manning is released from prison, he can spend his own money to do whatever he likes.
Absolutely. Whether you consider it deviance or deliverance, this man has no right to insist on anything until he has paid his debt to society. None. I do not support special rights based upon sexual orientation, and I certainly do not support elective crotch mods at taxpayer expense; especially for a convicted criminal who is serving time.
It is a he, not a she. His name is Bradley, not Chelsea. The rest of this is pure white noise, intended to open the door to special privilege and so-called fulfillment that is neither necessary nor deserved. What the kid did was wrong, and the fact that he might wish to be something or someone else is completely irrelevant.
Get this traitorous naif out of the news, and into a cell. With a bit of luck, he can play housewife there just as much as he likes.
AC
montanadave
08-24-13, 15:51
What the kid did was wrong, and the fact that he might wish to be something or someone else is completely irreverent.
AC
Freudian slip of the day? :D
Army Chief
08-24-13, 15:58
Freud? Autocorrect? Who can really say? ;)
I'll correct mine. We'll leave yours. lol
AC
Manning enlisted as a male, did the crime as a male, was convicted as a male and imprisoned as a male. He can serve his 35 year sentence as a male. Our tax dollars should not be spent on hormone treatments or surgery. Once Manning is released from prison, he can spend his own money to do whatever he likes.
Could not have said it better myself, except to add that he did the crime as a male before he was convicted as a male.
MountainRaven
08-24-13, 16:07
You might want to research that. I have seen a very small number of prisoners have their sentences commuted by the convening authority while serving them. I am unfamiliar with any military prisoners receiving an early release for good behavior. When they get a sentence, they serve it. Federal time off for good conduct or good behavior is different than military prison or brig time off. They are complete separate prisons and rules.
I am not sure if this have changed in the last 30-40 years. But back then, bad behavior got you into the brig, and good behavior was expected while there. It was not rewarded with early release.
It may have changed, but a web search I did did not lead me to believe it has.
Any JAG folk that can shed some light on that?
I heard it on NPR on my way home this past week that whoever could get out in eight-and-a-half years with good behavior, IIRC (and it appears that I don't).
"Manning must serve at least one-third of any prison sentence before becoming eligible for parole." Source: The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/21/bradley-manning-sentencing-wikileaks-live)
Sounds like the person might be able to paroled as early as 2021, assuming his'er sentence is not reduced during the appeals process or (unlikely) s/he is pardoned.
Eurodriver
08-24-13, 18:40
I have not fully recovered and I think this is part of why I have such a tremendous porn collection full of actual, completely normal vaginas.
Links? :D
Would YOU want to be stuck in a mens prison?
I am a big proponent of LGBT rights, everyone on here I have argues with know that.
However I find myself in agreement with this statement. It is not the place of the government to pay for or supplement the surgery. If Manning had already underwent treatment I could see an argument for different housing, etc. But that is not the case here.
My position as well. GID is a real problem. However he has made it this far, he can make till release with counseling. Besides after he gets out he will have "celebrity" status and someone will pony the cash for the surgery post haste. Expect multiple suicide attempts between now and then.
DVDs.
Geesh Grandpa
.46caliber
08-24-13, 23:40
Gotta take the limelight back from Snowden somehow.
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Gotta take the limelight back from Snowden somehow.
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I thought that's what the cruise missile strike on Syria was supposed to be about?
I thought that's what the cruise missile strike on Syria was supposed to be about?
2 is one 1 is none don't ya know. News stories work the same way lol
Geesh Grandpa
It took me awhile to replace my VHS movie collection with DVDs, I'm not about to do it again.
Would YOU want to be stuck in a mens prison?
I considered that, I just don't think he's that bright.
I think he's just a ****ed up freakazoid that some retard gave top secret clearance to. Same retards who promoted a radical muslim to the rank of major and put him in charge of the psychological well being of returning combat veterans.
MountainRaven
08-25-13, 01:46
Would YOU want to be stuck in a mens prison?
I don't know how many men would want to get out of a men's prison if it meant taking chemicals intended to make one more feminine - growing breasts, thinning facial and body hair, &c.... oh, and basically going through puberty again, just with different hormones.
I'm simply blown away that I live in an age where my tax dollars could even be considered to be used to pay for a stick to snapper reconfiguration for a "Soldier".
SeriousStudent
08-25-13, 02:08
I heard it on NPR on my way home this past week that whoever could get out in eight-and-a-half years with good behavior, IIRC (and it appears that I don't).
"Manning must serve at least one-third of any prison sentence before becoming eligible for parole." Source: The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/21/bradley-manning-sentencing-wikileaks-live)
Sounds like the person might be able to paroled as early as 2021, assuming his'er sentence is not reduced during the appeals process or (unlikely) s/he is pardoned.
Interesting. I just read the article you posted. I've got an email working it way through the system (friend whose brother-in-law is a JAG LtCol). I'll let you know what he says.
It would be a major change in how they implement and carry out sentences. Of course, I was in a branch that was not noted for leniency. We picked up a kid in my platoon that got sent to the brig for 90 days, and walked out 23 months later. He had a mouth, and they cured him of it. But it took a while.
I don't know how many men would want to get out of a men's prison if it meant taking chemicals intended to make one more feminine - growing breasts, thinning facial and body hair, &c.... oh, and basically going through puberty again, just with different hormones.
Still sounds better than anal rape. I'd just have to become a lesbian.
I'm simply blown away that I live in an age where my tax dollars could even be considered to be used to pay for a stick to snapper reconfiguration for a "Soldier".
Did you know that your tax dollars pay for female service members to get boob jobs?
.46caliber
08-25-13, 08:29
Did you know that your tax dollars pay for female service members to get boob jobs?
Thanks. My BP's been a little low.
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MountainRaven
08-25-13, 11:09
Still sounds better than anal rape. I'd just have to become a lesbian.
Well. True. But that's predicated on being raped in prison. Which, I guess if you're already as feminine as PFC (Pvt?) Manning is, 50%+ of the country is convinced that you're a traitor, and you're a former intel guy, not a grunt... I reckon its more likely than otherwise.
Did you know that your tax dollars pay for female service members to get boob jobs?
On the one hand, the part of me that desires a fiscally responsible government is disgusted by this waste.
On the other hand, the part of me that likes breasts approves.
:confused:
(Actually, I do believe that there are times that boob jobs are completely acceptable, at tax-payer expense, for female service members. Primarily in situations such as after a mastectomy or double mastectomy is performed.)
Did you know that your tax dollars pay for female service members to get boob jobs?
Actually they should do a promotion of that, kinda like the GI Bill thing. Only instead of getting college paid for, the Army spots you some DD cups if you give four years.
I can see where it could improve morale greatly.
FromMyColdDeadHand
07-06-16, 10:54
https://nypost.com/2016/07/06/chelsea-manning-rushed-to-hospital-after-suspected-suicide-attempt/
Really against suicide, but if you were this guys psych doc, what exactly do you say when he asks, "What do I have to live for?".....
Crickets....
Lot's of reasons to whack yourself, not so many to stick around.
Let HIM complete the job so we don't have to deal with HIM any more. Problem solved.
That moment when you done pissed your young life away and not even claiming being a tranny will help....
Just think. He could've done his time, gone to college, and let his freak flag fly.
But as dey say on da skreets, Fed time is Fed Time
Moose-Knuckle
07-06-16, 12:16
Let us be grateful at least that he can now utilize the women's restrooms and shower facilities, Obama has accomplished much . . .
Spurholder
07-07-16, 11:55
https://nypost.com/2016/07/06/chelsea-manning-rushed-to-hospital-after-suspected-suicide-attempt/
Really against suicide, but if you were this guys psych doc, what exactly do you say when he asks, "What do I have to live for?".....
Crickets....
Lot's of reasons to whack yourself, not so many to stick around.
Nevermind.
The_War_Wagon
07-07-16, 13:13
Let us be grateful at least that he can now utilize the women's restrooms and shower facilities, Obama has accomplished much . . .
No doubt the model of a PERFECT soldier. To him. :rolleyes:
http://tpc.pc2.netdna-cdn.com/peoples_resource/image/35136-obama%20appoints%20Klinger.png
What I see is a certain boyish charm but no muscle. The government is out of control for several reasons. The voters are stupid and all those who take the oath to protect the country from enemies foreign and domestic ,and the Constitution do not! Yet they get all the benefits of the titles they hold.
Don't worry gang "she" is ok...
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160712/0736209542d31ff4f4ca774ce358f219.jpg
Is he not still in prison or do they give inmates in Leavenworth smartphones?
Trying to form some coherent words on this but really not coming up with much. The only place a traitor should be is a deep dark hole with a small hole for food.
http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-considering-pardon-chelsea-manning-2017-1
My views on LGBT rights are not popular around here. However this is one case where I could care less. Actually no that isn't true. This pisses me off even more so because I think Manning is using the issue to garner sympathy.
But lets put all that aside.
Leaked classified information. Not because it was for any lofty goal, but because they felt like they weren't treated fairly.
There is no possible excuse for this that I can think of. No mitigating circumstances. Just pathetic self serving BS.
You have to admit, however grudgingly, that it would be a fitting exclamation point on the sad experiment that has been the Obama administration. :(
Scrolling down the Yahoo homepage and saw this
I don't know, dude bears an eerie resemblance to Putin.
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/chelsea-manning-poses-swimsuit-vogue-freedom-looks-like-174718086.html
If you can bear to look you'll be relieved to see that Manning isn't rocking a, wait for it......Moose-Knuckle. :jester:
Moose-Knuckle, I almost dropped my laptop laughing so hard. I had already clicked the link before I read that part...lol
Dude looks like he needs some outdoors time......I must compliment him on his pasty whiteness. Did you scroll down and see the human Ken guy? What's wrong with these dudes?
I will never understand how she has become a champion of the Trans community. There are plenty of good people out there they can look up too. Manning is NOT one of them. She is nothing more than a traitor and should have been treated as one.
Moose-Knuckle
08-11-17, 03:07
Scrolling down the Yahoo homepage and saw this
I don't know, dude bears an eerie resemblance to Putin.
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/chelsea-manning-poses-swimsuit-vogue-freedom-looks-like-174718086.html
If you can bear to look you'll be relieved to see that Manning isn't rocking a, wait for it......Moose-Knuckle. :jester:
You know I've been registered at pretty much every gun forum over the years and utilize different user names for each of them but out of all of them I have never received so much fan mail (PM's) over any of them as I do the old MK handle. Dude's literally crack up the first they see it.
The first part of the story behind my username is I was so bored of the clichéd uber tactical SWATSEALNINJARANGERCOMMANDOBILLYBADASS ad nauseam user names that are all to common on firearm related forums that I went with something on the lighter side. The male equivalent of the female camel toe is the moose knuckle (see Urban Dictionary's page lol), a nickname my wife gave me after first meeting me. So I wear it proudly as a badge of honor . . . :cool:
As for Ms. Manning's spreading (pun intended) for Vogue . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLXnBI4ykVs
Moose-Knuckle
08-11-17, 03:12
Did you scroll down and see the human Ken guy? What's wrong with these dudes?
I read an article on him tonight, he was giving an interview on some UK broad's show where he said he just left Iran after having his chin implant replaced. I thought they stoned people like him to death there? Oh well, I guess they will take anyone's money. I wonder how he funds all of his million dollar plastic surgeries?
Hope he's enjoying his freedom... Shitbag should still be rotting in prison.
Averageman
08-11-17, 06:04
Hope he's enjoying his freedom... Shitbag should still be rotting in prison.
I'm hoping his new vagina gets him some sort of terminal, yet very itchy yeast infection. The kind of yeast infection that is so bad that entire yeast rolls fall out of his happy box and roll across the floor.
Not only are they celebrating a traitor who endangered American lives, they are celebrating one with a mental illness.
I'm hoping his new vagina gets him some sort of terminal, yet very itch yeast infection. The kind of yeast infection that is so bad that entire yeast rolls fall out of his happy box and roll across the floor.
Dude... I'm having breakfast. Ugh.
lol
You know I've been registered at pretty much every gun forum over the years and utilize different user names for each of them but out of all of them I have never received so much fan mail (PM's) over any of them as I do the old MK handle. Dude's literally crack up the first they see it.
The first part of the story behind my username is I was so bored of the clichéd uber tactical SWATSEALNINJARANGERCOMMANDOBILLYBADASS ad nauseam user names that are all to common on firearm related forums that I went with something on the lighter side. The male equivalent of the female camel toe is the moose knuckle (see Urban Dictionary's page lol), a nickname my wife gave me after first meeting me. So I wear it proudly as a badge of honor . . . :cool:
As for Ms. Manning's spreading (pun intended) for Vogue . . .
I'm glad you took it as intended.
I searched for a thread to necro onto for the initial, this one was closed, I thought.
FromMyColdDeadHand
08-11-17, 11:25
Traintor
Treasonsexual
Pasty? It's going next for vampire. Gotta keep adding to the alphabet.
10 years ago you would have been laughed at to tell the actual (ex-)Manning story. Not only free, but not dishonorably discharged? But Scooter Libby did time?
Can we please get herm to marry Bergdhal?
Traint...Can we please get herm to marry Bergdhal?
Yes, please! In a helo with doors open hovering over an active volcano ready to push them out once the ceremony is over.
Traintor
Treasonsexual
Pasty? It's going next for vampire. Gotta keep adding to the alphabet.
10 years ago you would have been laughed at to tell the actual (ex-)Manning story. Not only free, but not dishonorably discharged? But Scooter Libby did time?
Can we please get herm to marry Bergdhal?
The correct term is "shim". Can Manning the shim marry Bergdhal?
You know I've been registered at pretty much every gun forum over the years and utilize different user names for each of them but out of all of them I have never received so much fan mail (PM's) over any of them as I do the old MK handle. Dude's literally crack up the first they see it.
The first part of the story behind my username is I was so bored of the clichéd uber tactical SWATSEALNINJARANGERCOMMANDOBILLYBADASS ad nauseam user names that are all to common on firearm related forums that I went with something on the lighter side. The male equivalent of the female camel toe is the moose knuckle (see Urban Dictionary's page lol), a nickname my wife gave me after first meeting me. So I wear it proudly as a badge of honor . . . :cool:
As for Ms. Manning's spreading (pun intended) for Vogue . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLXnBI4ykVs
I've always been partial to the username "penismightier". :)
Moose-Knuckle
08-12-17, 02:49
I've always been partial to the username "penismightier". :)
Haha, in high school a few of my buddies came up with some good ones and submitted them along with their senior photos to the unsuspecting photographer.
Stew Pidasso still cracks me up.
I wish this was on the duffleblog and not reality.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/14/harvard-under-siege-for-making-convicted-spy-chelsea-manning-visiting-fellow.html
Private Slovik was shot for so very much less.
When I was a youth, Harvard was considered the absolute high end.
Now it is a punchline.
I literally would trust DeVry University over Harvard now
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-14-17, 18:34
If I were another fellow at Harvard, I would just ride she/he like a bad mule. Just be merciless about what her special skill and knowledge are. Fitting she becomes a fellow when BHO was a 'constitutional law professor' that got his ass handed to him regularly by SCOTUS.
To bad it didn't have anything to do with the Russians, then someone might care....
Inkslinger
09-14-17, 18:38
All that work he/she did to not be a fellow!
If this proves anything, it's that being a "fellow" at Harvard, means just about as much as being a "associate" at Wal-Mart..
If this proves anything, it's that being a "fellow" at Harvard, means just about as much as being a "associate" at Wal-Mart..
Couldn't have put it better myself.
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