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RogerinTPA
08-24-13, 15:49
Well, technically, they were, but to teach it as being radical instead of patriotic, I have serious issues with, as well as classifying all conservatives as such. There is no more doubt that Progressiveness and extreme liberalism has penetrated all aspects of DOD, the military academies, and our military. Congrats, we now live in an upside down world. Next up, conservative blacks being considered traitors, and given the choice to convert, atone and swear new allegiance to the new socialist party AKA Democrats, or be imprisoned or put to death.


Judicial Watch obtained Defense Department training materials on Friday that described conservative and civil liberties organizations as “hate groups.”

The training materials used by the Air Force were created to help students “recognize extremists ideologies.” The materials identified conservative values, such as individual liberties and states’ rights, as recruiting rhetoric used by “extremists.”

According to Judicial Watch:

Under a section labeled “Extremist Ideologies” the document states, “In U.S. history, there are many examples of extremist ideologies and movements. The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule and the Confederate states who sought to secede from the Northern states are just two examples.”



(Daily Caller)

A Department of Defense teaching guide meant to fight extremism advises students that rather than “dressing in sheets” modern-day radicals “will talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place,” and describes 18th-century American patriots seeking freedom from the British as belonging to “extremist ideologies.”

The guide comes from documents obtained by Judicial Watch and is authored by the Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute, a DoD-funded diversity training center.

Under a section titled “extremist ideologies,” the document states, “In U.S. history, there are many examples of extremist ideologies and movements. The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule and the Confederate states who sought to secede from the Northern states are just two examples.”



http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/08/23/dept-defense-training-materials-call-conservatives-founding-fathers-%E2%80%98extremists%E2%80%99

montanadave
08-24-13, 15:55
So our current government views those that fought and died to create . . . our current government as extremist and, presumably, seditious?

Well, golly, that's not good. That's not good at all.

Bulletdog
08-24-13, 16:09
I wonder what percentage of the "students" exposed to this tripe asked the same question as you Dave.

No.6
08-24-13, 16:35
I wonder what percentage of the "students" exposed to this tripe asked the same question as you Dave.


Are you kidding?! That would require a thought process and reasoning. So much easier to be spoon fed (and regurgitate) that swill.

drsal
08-24-13, 16:49
Welcome to bizarro world....again.

RogerinTPA
08-24-13, 16:50
I wonder what percentage of the "students" exposed to this tripe asked the same question as you Dave.

As with most of the general population, sadly, most will just want to get along and not be singled out or flagged as a potential problem child for speaking up or against this recent re-education trend. Ideas, incidentally, that were previously indoctrinated in them by our progressive public school system. The introduction of Common Core in public schools will introduce even more outlandish progressive programming, which also declares half the nation as conservative radicals and extremists. Voting or not voting, has consequences. It's a brave new world.

montanadave
08-24-13, 16:59
It's a brave new world.

With far too many Gammas, Deltas, and Epsilons.

obucina
08-24-13, 17:03
As with most of the general population, sadly, most will just want to get along and not be singled out or flagged as a potential problem child for speaking up or against this recent re-education trend. Ideas, incidentally, that were previously indoctrinated in them by our progressive public school system. The introduction of Common Core in public schools will introduce even more outlandish progressive programming, which also declares half the nation as conservative radicals and extremists. Voting or not voting, has consequences. It's a brave new world.

I've spent the first week of school discussing the Sons of Liberty, partyin' like its 1773, and that Jefferson was a cool dude. I'll take the DoD's shenanigans and counter with my lectures on the bastardization of Andrew Oliver. They even got a lecture on the Barberry Pirates and were upset that they were never taught it before!

Whenever I ask my students what happens to a country's money when it goes to war, they say it, "goes down". They are beginning to understand inflation:)

SteyrAUG
08-24-13, 17:06
Hardly the first time we've seen "patriot" equated with "extremist" or "terrorist" on some government document.

gun71530
08-24-13, 17:08
Hardly the first time we've seen "patriot" equated with "extremist" or "terrorist" on some government document.

Yep, and people still call it conspiracy theory nonsense.

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ForTehNguyen
08-24-13, 17:12
King George III said the same thing

Honu
08-24-13, 17:52
from page 40 of EOAC Student Guide Obtained by Judicial Watch, Inc. via FOIA Extremism January 2013

explains our current administration :) and some of the folks here :)



C. Extremists Traits

a. Character assassination
Extremists often attack the character of an opponent rather than deal with the facts or issues raised. They will question motives, qualifications, past associations, alleged values, personality, looks, and mental health as a diversion from the issues under consideration.

b. Name calling and labeling
Extremists are quick to resort to taunts (e.g., pervert, racist, and crackpot) to label and condemn opponents and to divert others from listening to their arguments.

c. Irresponsive sweeping generalizations
Extremists tend to make sweeping claims or judgments with little to no evidence, often confusing similarity with sameness. That is, they assume that because two or more things are alike in some respects that they are alike in all respects.

d. Inadequate proof behind assertions
Extremists tend to be very fuzzy about what constitutes proof for their assertions and tend to get caught up in logical fallacies where they assume that a prior event explains
a subsequent occurrence simply because of their before-and-after relationship. They tend to project wished-for conclusions and exaggerate the significance of information that confirms their prejudices and discredit or ignore information that contradicts them.

h. Use of slogans, buzzwords, and thought-stopping clichés
For many extremists, shortcuts in thinking and in reasoning matters out seem necessary to avoid troublesome facts and compelling counterarguments. Simple slogans substitute for more complex abstractions.

i. Assumption of moral superiority over others
The most obvious assumptions are claims of racial or ethnic superiority—a master race. Less obvious are claims of ennoblement because of alleged victimhood, a special relationship with God, or membership in a special or elite class and a kind of aloof high-minded snobbishness that accrues because of the weightiness of their preoccupations, their altruism, and their willingness to sacrifice themselves (and others) to their cause.

m. Emphasis on emotional responses, less so on reasoning and logical analysis
Extremists have an unspoken reverence for propaganda, which they may call education or consciousness-raising. Symbolism plays an exaggerated role in their thinking, and they tend to think imprecisely and metaphorically. Effective extremists tend to be effective propagandists. Propaganda differs from education in that the former teaches one what to think, and the latter teaches one how to think clearly.

RogerinTPA
08-24-13, 18:34
I've spent the first week of school discussing the Sons of Liberty, partyin' like its 1773, and that Jefferson was a cool dude. I'll take the DoD's shenanigans and counter with my lectures on the bastardization of Andrew Oliver. They even got a lecture on the Barberry Pirates and were upset that they were never taught it before!

Whenever I ask my students what happens to a country's money when it goes to war, they say it, "goes down". They are beginning to understand inflation:)

That's awesome, but be careful. By doing so you may be singled out for not towing the party line and are therefor vulnerable.

Irish
08-24-13, 18:36
Jefferson, Washington and our Founding Fathers were terrorists per FEMA training for OK police. Video: http://youtu.be/ZPg9MdN9Gio

GeorgiaBoy
08-24-13, 19:45
What I want to know is who the hell authors these things? Who approves their publication to be used in training?

Who reading them in training actually believes them?

Caeser25
08-24-13, 20:18
from page 40 of EOAC Student Guide Obtained by Judicial Watch, Inc. via FOIA Extremism January 2013

explains our current administration :) and some of the folks here :)

I'm pretty sure that's the liberal playbook, play by play.

jpmuscle
08-24-13, 22:31
Are you kidding?! That would require a thought process and reasoning. So much easier to be spoon fed (and regurgitate) that swill.

I ran into some of this nonsense during one of my terrorism classes in grad school. Needless to say much of efforts to curb the perception were tantamount to preaching to a wall. Lots of weak minded people out there... lots..

SteyrAUG
08-25-13, 01:15
What I want to know is who the hell authors these things? Who approves their publication to be used in training?

Who reading them in training actually believes them?

You might be surprised.

Just last night the nightly news was covering the terrorist / cop killing radical group "sovereign citizen" and how they arrested two individuals planning on kidnapping and killing a Las Vegas cop.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/23/las-vegas-police-plot/2692007/

And who had the nerve to chime in and discuss how dangerous these extremists are? None other than Jim "I like my children EXTRA Crispy" Cavanaugh himself and the SPLC.

With this in mind, the Southern Poverty Law Center — which published a major report on the sovereign movement in the last issue of the Intelligence Report — has produced a 12-minute instructional video intended for showing during roll call at law enforcement agencies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_y-gLm9Hrw&feature=player_embedded

FromMyColdDeadHand
08-25-13, 01:38
And some money put away for a couple thousand more rounds in the basement...

What kind of verification do we have on this?

I assume "No justice, no peace" doesn't get mentioned.

Mauser KAR98K
08-25-13, 01:46
You might be surprised.

Just last night the nightly news was covering the terrorist / cop killing radical group "sovereign citizen" and how they arrested two individuals planning on kidnapping and killing a Las Vegas cop.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/23/las-vegas-police-plot/2692007/

And who had the nerve to chime in and discuss how dangerous these extremists are? None other than Jim "I like my children EXTRA Crispy" Cavanaugh himself and the SPLC.

With this in mind, the Southern Poverty Law Center — which published a major report on the sovereign movement in the last issue of the Intelligence Report — has produced a 12-minute instructional video intended for showing during roll call at law enforcement agencies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_y-gLm9Hrw&feature=player_embedded

Great, they are lumping us with those retards. Those guys are not patriots. For those who talk of another Civil War, just remember that those guys are waiting in the wings to take over with the power vacuum.

BrigandTwoFour
08-26-13, 16:52
I think you're reading too much into it.

There is a fundamental difference between those who advocate for individual rights and respect of the various states and those who threaten violence if they don't get their way. Certainly there are those that talk about half in jest, but there are groups who actively plan such things.

The problem is differentiating between the two on paper. Is there anything group A says that group B doesn't also say? Looking over at the other side of the aisle, there are a lot of liberal groups who advocate for better environmental practices and stronger social safety nets; and then there are the groups using the same talking points but being violent about it.

You can sit there and bitch about progressives taking over the military, but I can literally count on one hand the number of them I have encountered in the officer corps, and even they were moderate compared to what most here would think of as a progressive.

IMO, this is no more than a sensationalist media outlet taking something out of context in order pump up some poutrage.

SteyrAUG
08-26-13, 17:43
IMO, this is no more than a sensationalist media outlet taking something out of context in order pump up some poutrage.

Well the first BIG difference is when the media says something it is opinion for the most part.

When the DoD says something they tend to enforce it with armed men.

Additionally, this isn't a matter of being taken "out of context." The problem IS the context they used.



A Department of Defense teaching guide meant to fight extremism advises students that rather than “dressing in sheets” modern-day radicals “will talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place,” and describes 18th-century American patriots seeking freedom from the British as belonging to “extremist ideologies.”

The guide comes from documents obtained by Judicial Watch and is authored by the Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute, a DoD-funded diversity training center.

Under a section titled “extremist ideologies,” the document states, “In U.S. history, there are many examples of extremist ideologies and movements. The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule and the Confederate states who sought to secede from the Northern states are just two examples.”

That they are basically equating people who "talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place" with the KKK is all the more disturbing. I have yet to see a similar instruction guide explaining how modern liberal progressives are radical socialist / communists who seek a totalitarian state.

jpmuscle
08-26-13, 18:04
The subtle shot at whites there is a nice touch too.

SteyrAUG
08-26-13, 18:37
The subtle shot at whites there is a nice touch too.


Yep, only white people use guns for terrorism (taking hostages until political demands are met).

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