View Full Version : Attention all hands, General Quarters! Fight's back on.
Mauser KAR98K
09-22-13, 23:26
It seems the gun-grabbers aren't letting facts shut their stupid mouths. Obama has announced he is reviving his failed gun-control campaign in wake of D.C Navy Yard and now Chicago, the two bastion cities of gun control. Time to start firing up the letters to our congress critters, NRA and the RNC to get their heads in the fight.
I do believe the fight is back on!
http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/22/obama-accuses-gun-control-opponents-of-fighting-to-allow-dangerous-people-to-own-guns/
MountainRaven
09-22-13, 23:33
So where do you think the GOP is going to give in: Guns or Obamacare?
So where do you think the GOP is going to give in: Guns or Obamacare?
Shit.
theblackknight
09-22-13, 23:46
So where do you think the GOP is going to give in: Guns or Obamacare?
Which ever is less financially damaging to their careers.
sent from mah gun,using my sights
MountainRaven
09-22-13, 23:53
Shit.
For the record, my money's on Obamacare. The "Affordable Care Act" may be bad law and stupider than hell, but most folks are ambivalent about it at best. Guns draw a lot more passion from a lot more people.
If I was a stupid person I would be insulted by the notion that he thinks I would be so easily manipulated..
Basically in a nutshell his argument is that the NRA WANTS CRIMINALS TO HAVE GUNS....
wtf is seriously wrong with people in this country that such a disillusioned and pathologically false battle cry can garner any traction whatsoever.. FFS people...
From the article..
He did not discuss how he planned to jumpstart stalled economy or lower the very high unemployment rate among African-Americans, but instead blamed companies and wealthy Americans for the 13 percent unemployment rate among African-Americans.
“At a time when black unemployment remains twice as high as white unemployment, at a time when working Americans of all races have seen their incomes and wages stagnate even as corporate profits and the incomes of folks at the very top are soaring, we’ve got to pick up the torch of economic justice,” he declared, shortly before he urged passage of a hike in the minimum wage.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/22/obama-accuses-gun-control-opponents-of-fighting-to-allow-dangerous-people-to-own-guns/#ixzz2fgmwOhAw
Seriously **** you..
Mauser KAR98K
09-23-13, 00:03
If I was a stupid person I would be insulted by the notion that he thinks I would be so easily manipulated..
Basically in a nutshell his argument is that the NRA WANTS CRIMINALS TO HAVE GUNS....
wtf is seriously wrong with people in this country that such a disillusioned and pathologically false battle cry can garner any traction whatsoever.. FFS people...
Wizards first rule...
Mauser KAR98K
09-23-13, 00:05
So where do you think the GOP is going to give in: Guns or Obamacare?
We are about to find out. What has changed now is the Harry Reid might very well put Feinstien's bill up for a vote this time as he has dramatically changed his position of these things called "assault weapons." (Course, that also might be an indication--a low one--that he might be thinking of retiring).
Basically in a nutshell his argument is that the NRA WANTS CRIMINALS TO HAVE GUNS....
What is the NRA doing to prevent criminals from having guns?
What is the NRA doing to prevent criminals from having guns?
That's my point..
take the guns away and obmacare will be just the beginning of the end as we know it
this is what the powers want and that is both republican and democrat sides they will have exemptions for there body guards just like they do from obamacare
Still stunning that they believe more gun laws would have prevented a shooting in a place with some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country.
Now matter how many times they arrive at that same absurd conclusion it never ceases to amaze me and I'm awed by their willful ignorance.
It was a military base, in Washington D.C. and a person with mental problems was still able to sneak a weapon inside and kill one of the few "authorized to be armed" individuals and take his weapon to shoot more people. This is presumably one of the most secure locations in the entire country...the epitome of a gun free zone.
What more blatant demonstration do they need that you can't control such people with legislation?
I never let the guard down !
some lib just posted this madcow thing from her show
saying how we only had something like 6 mass shooting in history till recently ? and how the trend in the past couple years has sky rocketed
so posted these facts from mass shootings according to stats which were pulled from FBI crime stats will be curious
1970s: 13
1980s: 32
1990s: 42
2000s: 28
2010s (three years): 14
and of course the come back of well quite a few get the guns legally ?
YUP and I bet they drove there legally in a legal car with legally bought clothes with a legal bought cell phone and even parked legally to commit mass murder ?
and if they had to steal a car or a gun to commit the crime would not change the fact these are insane criminals and nothing will stop them
the system is broken because of the liberal system of you cant say these people are sick in the head or we cant prosecute that kid its his first time ! oh he had a reason he did these other crimes etc..
am really getting sick of these libs being so so so so stupid about stats and facts they love to ignore
I always ignored them because I tend to ignore stupid childish acts but getting sick of it
along with the new MSNBC of course saying we are what liberals want ! at least they are taking off the false we are not biased to we are communist/socialist
I never let the guard down !
some lib just posted this madcow thing from her show
saying how we only had something like 6 mass shooting in history till recently ? and how the trend in the past couple years has sky rocketed
so posted these facts from mass shootings according to stats which were pulled from FBI crime stats will be curious
1970s: 13
1980s: 32
1990s: 42
2000s: 28
2010s (three years): 14
Use some real stats, school shootings go back to 1764 and the worst mass school killing was in 1927 and no guns were involved.
Why There Will Always Be Gun Ban Efforts...And What To Do About It... (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=121974)
yeah just pulled the quick recent numbers did not want to big a facebook reply :)
and in other countries its mass knife attacks or blowing them up or other things
Use some real stats, school shootings go back to 1764 and the worst mass school killing was in 1927 and no guns were involved.
Why There Will Always Be Gun Ban Efforts...And What To Do About It... (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=121974)
Moose-Knuckle
09-23-13, 02:17
The way they are going about disarmament (aka gun control) these days differs very little from the Nazification process in Germany; blame a social problem on a specific segment of society (gun owners), demonize them, use propaganda (aka media) to further said agenda and bring about change in social acceptance.
We are looking at this all wrong, these shootings keep happening in "gun free zones" do not show how ineffective current laws are to the point where they should be done away with but these incidents are in fact being exploited to show how much MORE gun controls laws are NEEDED to stop all these "random mass shootings". Of course its all a crock of bovine feces but fear is a powerful thing in which to manipulate the herd with.
For the record, my money's on Obamacare. The "Affordable Care Act" may be bad law and stupider than hell, but most folks are ambivalent about it at best. Guns draw a lot more passion from a lot more people.
Regarding Obamacare....
I might be in a minority here in the sense that I do believe that government should regulate health care costs in some fashion. The single payer argument seemed like the most reasonable one to me. A system where people with means could get any plan they wish, but that the low end plans would be regulated. Now, I'm no expert on this issue, I'm kinda just going on what I've learned through my perusals of various online articles.
Call me a cynic, but I do doubt that Obamacare would have been passed were it not going to make a fortune for the favored insurance companies. The dems simply don't have enough sway to get something through Congress without some of the players on the right making a buck too. It just doesn't seem to happen.
So here's what I'm wondering. With the influx of illegal immigration going on (I'm in LA, and I have dozens of illegal immigrants literally within a stone's throw of me as I type this) and a cultural propensity for very high reproductive rates among those peoples, coupled with the pro-amnesty / "come on in, the door's open" crowd on the left, we're no doubt going to see gigantic bills coming in from people needing health care who can't or won't pay for it. Are these insurance companies quietly pushing this amnesty legislation because they know that there will be a lot of milking the government over these expenses? Is this why the GOP has given up on actually defeating Obamacare, except for the lip service opposition that seems to be pretty much rhetorical only? Are they just feigning opposition to it, or are they truly against it on principle? It's a little confusing to me, and if someone really knows the score I'd like to be educated if you'd indulge me.
If anyone cares, I just received my letter from Blue Cross. My privately purchased health insurance will be increasing from $472 to $912 per month.
Please tell me again how this is helping me?
If anyone cares, I just received my letter from Blue Cross. My privately purchased health insurance will be increasing from $472 to $912 per month.
Please tell me again how this is helping me?
That's awesome! Not only do you get to DOUBLE your payment but now you'll be paying to subsidize someone else's too! Doesn't that make you feel better? Ain't Amerika great?
We should fight this gun control effort as much as humanly possible (as always). However, if we lose in the end I'll leave you with this thought:
Gun control laws only affect the law-abiding......and fools.
I'll not surrender my rights for the acts of madmen and criminals, no matter how heinous. My rights > your atrocity.
If anyone cares, I just received my letter from Blue Cross. My privately purchased health insurance will be increasing from $472 to $912 per month.
Please tell me again how this is helping me?
See your problem is that you think the government is suppose to help you.
ObamaCare and all the other free shit stuff ain't got nothing to do with help. It's about control.
See your problem is that you think the government is suppose to help you.
ObamaCare and all the other free shit stuff ain't got nothing to do with help. It's about control.
Believe me, I know.
I was responding to the guy who said govt should control health care.
I wanted no part of this shit and made many calls and sent many letters pleading with my reps to stop/block/shitcan this crap all throughout this process.
On the bright side, I now get maternity coverage that we're physically unable to use and rehab bennies in case I decide to do drugs or become an alcoholic or go ****ing nuts.
That last part may happen if this stuff doesn't stop. Lol
I am really curious how the are going to spin this. Alexis used a normal Joe Biden approved shotgun suitable for sporting purposes. He got is legally in the standard fashion - in a gun store with a background check (no "gunshow loophole"). The media and the antis don't really have much to grab onto here.
"But if it saves just one life" - again, they don't have an argument. In fact, this would argue in favor of allowing trained vetted service members to be armed on post. There have been several notable attacks on service members and military bases over the years. This shooting, Hassan on Ft Hood, the Ft Dix 6, and the Arkansas recruiter shooting all come to mind. Our troops are currently soft targets.
Now they have to try to work the mental health angle which they have been a bit reluctant to touch because of concerns on how that story would affect HIPAA and Obamacare
brickboy240
09-23-13, 10:50
They will stay far away from the mental health angle because big pharma funds DC.
Blame will always go on the guns.
-brickboy240
What is the NRA doing to prevent criminals from having guns?
How many laws are on th books already that aren't enforced? Look at the last couple shootings that gotten the msm attention. They all were perpetrated by people that were mentally ill AND authorities knew about it but did nothing. More unenforced laws are not be answer.
That's awesome! Not only do you get to DOUBLE your payment but now you'll be paying to subsidize someone else's too! Doesn't that make you feel better? Ain't Amerika great?
So essentially someone else is getting theirs for free.
I'd love to have a copy of that with all your personal information blacked out to share on Facebook.
If anyone cares, I just received my letter from Blue Cross. My privately purchased health insurance will be increasing from $472 to $912 per month.
Please tell me again how this is helping me?
That is insane. If you don't mind, can you scan the letter (with appropriately blacked out parts) that would show this increase? I want it to show to people that toute that insurance won't be increasing etc.
That is insane. If you don't mind, can you scan the letter (with appropriately blacked out parts) that would show this increase? I want it to show to people that toute that insurance won't be increasing etc.
I wouldn't mind at all, except it went through the shredder already. I'll be getting more info in a packet that is supposed to follow up this letter soon. When it gets here, I'll start a thread about the lies and bullshit that is Obamacare. That way others can post proof as well. I doubt I'm the only one to get this already.
RogerinTPA
09-23-13, 12:32
What Reid does verses what he says is two different things. He won't put it up to a vote for the same reasons he didn't put it up for a vote the last time. The 2014 elections. If they put it up prior to winning back the Senate, the Dems who vote for it will be in great danger of singling themselves out for losing their seat. It would be political suicide, not that that's a bad thing. Just like all the "no vote/present votes from the Dems to go to war with Syria. Just political maneuvering, propaganda and rhetoric... rinse and repeat.
So essentially someone else is getting theirs for free.
I'd love to have a copy of that with all your personal information blacked out to share on Facebook.
Knock yourself out!
As with any bright gubment idea, not everyone plays (er, pays). Of course we have to subsidize it for the pooorrr or other broke-dicks who can't afford the full deal. That leaves those of us who at least live comfortably (and have earned the right to do so), but not extravagantly, holding the bag. My wife and I are DINK. Guess where that puts us? Fortunately we both have healthcare from work but who knows how long that'll last. If we were forced onto that shitty exchange we'd pay full price----no subsidy for us. At that point we wouldn't be able to afford it and still pay our bills as we do now.
The same hogwash was going to be part of any Cap and Trade legislation; they were going to subsidize the energy bills of those same pooorrr and broke-dicks due to the "necessarily skyrocketing" cost of electricity.
I ain't my brother's keeper. Getting a little tired of it.
They will stay far away from the mental health angle because big pharma funds DC.
Blame will always go on the guns.
-brickboy240
Correct. The possible infringement of the rights of nutbags overrides your Right To Keep And Bear Arms. Can't do that. Nope, gotta protect the "ill" and screw everybody else.
What kills me (pun intended) is that POS like Laughner and Holmes can't be executed because they're "ill" but you and I can have our rights taken away, and possibly pay with our own lives or freedom down the road for not complying. They'll jump from the highest mountain to help those scum but to hell with the rest of us. They would have been coddling poor wittle Lanza too if that freak had lived.
If you are insane enough to cold-bloodedly take a life you should forfeit yours, "illness" be damned. Formeldahyde is the only thing that should be flowing through your veins after that.
So where do you think the GOP is going to give in: Guns or Obamacare?
BOTH!
Free Shit army wins......AGAIN!!
Alaskapopo
09-28-13, 14:54
So where do you think the GOP is going to give in: Guns or Obamacare?
Health care needed to be reformed and there is a lot of good things with Obamacare. So I would much rather keep my gun rights and have them give up on trying to defund the healthcare law.
Pat
healthcare needed to be reformed not taken over by the gov !
health care is the best in the world that is why many from other places come here to get stuff done !
and now its going to go downhill and many will loose there care etc.. or have to pay insane rates
MountainRaven
09-28-13, 17:04
Health care needed to be reformed and there is a lot of good things with Obamacare. So I would much rather keep my gun rights and have them give up on trying to defund the healthcare law.
Pat
Healthcare still needs to be reformed. Fundamentally. Along with most of the rest of government. Obamacare is a bandaid soaked in urine on a bullethole.
But I agree; it's better to be broke and free than rich and enslaved.
The FSA will always get free healthcare just as they do now and have in the past.
My wife works in the ER and sees it everyday. People are treated for colds, mental issues to kidney stones all for free. Half of them don't pay or have the ability to pay.
Hospitals raise costs to recoup these losses and it is all passed on to the people that have the ability to pay.
Obamacare or not, costs will continue to rise.
The FSA and our "leadership" is killing this country.
The FSA will always get free healthcare just as they do now and have in the past.
My wife works in the ER and sees it everyday. People are treated for colds, mental issues to kidney stones all for free. Half of them don't pay or have the ability to pay.
Hospitals raise costs to recoup these losses and it is all passed on to the people that have the ability to pay.
Obamacare or not, costs will continue to rise.
The FSA and our "leadership" is killing this country.
This ^ The only way this cycle will stop is when the country is bled dry, and a economic collapse follows. However, this is also exactly what those promoting the Cloward-Piven strategy want..
Health care needed to be reformed and there is a lot of good things with Obamacare. So I would much rather keep my gun rights and have them give up on trying to defund the healthcare law.
Pat
Yes but a law that is so bad, congress exempted themselves, the unions and corporations ask for waivers and get waivers is not the answer. Ted Cruz is one of the few congress critters that is actually standing up for the American people and not their union or corporation campaign money.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=corporations+get+one+yeaar+delay+for+obamacare&form=IE10TR&src=IE10TR&pc=MATBJS
http://www.bing.com/search?q=obamacare+exemptions&form=IE10TR&src=IE10TR&pc=MATBJS
http://www.independentsentinel.com/unions-that-lobbied-for-obamacare-will-be-exempt/
Grand58742
09-29-13, 14:53
I'll have to say the title of this thread is misleading. I don't think the fight was ever off. Just a lull in the battles that will continue against our rights.
The FSA and our "leadership" is killing this country.
the big problem is they keep on getting reelected and go unpunished for their dastardly deeds.
The war on guns will never be over untill the guns are confiscated. It will be soon. How do I know???
Alaskapopo
10-02-13, 00:27
The war on guns will never be over untill the guns are confiscated. It will be soon. How do I know???
Its not going to be over soon and don't think for a minute gun owners are going to lose. A negative attitude is a self fulfilling proficiency.
MountainRaven
10-02-13, 09:06
The war on guns will never be over untill the guns are confiscated. It will be soon. How do I know???
Yes. How do you know?
Unless you're plotting a coup that you know is going to succeed and will be followed shortly by your new regime attempting to confiscate all the guns, I don't see how you can know anything of the sort.
Magic_Salad0892
10-02-13, 10:30
The war on guns will never be over untill the guns are confiscated. It will be soon. How do I know???
Aren't you the guy who believes in all the One World Order, 9/11 conspiracy stuff?
I know there's like three of 'em on this board.
I'm with Pat on this one. It won't be over any time soon. But we won't be the losers.
platoonDaddy
10-02-13, 20:01
Two generations from now, 2A will be something only in the history books.
Alaskapopo
10-02-13, 20:05
Two generations from now, 2A will be something only in the history books.
I don't think so if anything the tide is turning our way and the pro gun movement is slowly winning with CCW being a reality in Chicago the sky is the limit. More and more people regardless of political persuasion are becoming more gun friendly. I do understand your negative outlook however as your behind enemy lines in anti gun part of the country. Keep up the good fight and don't lose hope.
Pat
MountainRaven
10-03-13, 00:01
Two generations from now, 2A will be something only in the history books.
Only if the US balkanizes.
In which case, I still have Article II, Section 12 and Article VI, Section 13(2) of the Montana Constitution.
Two generations from now, 2A will be something only in the history books.
Agreed. Here in CA, our balls are on the chopping block as far as 2A goes. Our liberal governor has less than 2 weeks to either veto or sign into law about a dozen anti 2A bills.
HackerF15E
10-03-13, 10:18
What's interesting is that actually both statements are correct to a degree:
- Over the last 5-10 years, there has been a change in the attitudes toward firearms in the US population. While the general acceptance of firearms amongst the populus has been in big decline over the last 40 or 50 years, there is also a different level of acceptance being gained over firearms as personal defense weapons. There is lots more general positive attitude about CCW now than at any time I've seen since the 1908s.
- Concurrent to that, in the coastal areas, there are more and more state/county/city/local restrictions on firearms than there probably ever has been.
I don't think either direction represents the more significant or more important trend -- it is simply a changing dynamic.
Grand58742
10-14-13, 08:12
Want to see something interesting? Check out the Guns Magazine article from August 1955. Starts on page 28 about gun laws at the time and written by a Chicago cop. And funny, the same arguments used back then when gun use was a lot more prevalent are the same ones being used today.
http://www.gunsmagazine.com/1955issues/G0855.pdf
On a lighter note, nothing to see on page 51 :D
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