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I'm on the hunt for a bolt action in a pretty specific configuration...
Synthetic stock of 12.5-13" LOP (or ability to be cut)
Barrel 18" lightweight (or ability to be cut)
Standard iron sights
.308
Detachable magazine
6.5-7lbs
Savage makes a Model 14 Euro Classic (http://savagearms.com/14EuroClassic.htm) but that Euro-style stock ain't gonna cut it. The barrel is 22" which is longer than I'd like but eventually I can get it cut down. I'm also not entirely sure if it has detachable mags or not.
Rob,
I've been semi looking for about the same thing, off and on for a few years now. Not very diligently, mid you, but still looking.
One thing I've come to realize about firearms is, that despite what HK and Glock say, everything is acompromise and nothings perfect.
I generall decide on what I'm willing to compromise on, or at least what is the easiest to change.
Are you partial to a particular brand?
The older 700 youth used to come with a 20 inch barrel, open sites, 12.5 LOP but a blind mag.
The simpler solution may be to choose an action and caliber witht eh detachable mag, then cut barrel and stock or completly change as you see fit.
Bob
Rob,
I remember seeing a company somewhere that does box magazine conversions.
Or there is this..
http://www.cabelas.com/prod-1/0024317226539a.shtml
Steve
The simpler solution may be to choose an action and caliber witht eh detachable mag, then cut barrel and stock or completly change as you see fit.
That's probably the direction I'll wind up having to take.
Maybe a Steyer Scout?
http://www.accuratereloading.com/sscout.jpg
On the more econo side, Savage was to re-intro their Scout rifle this year. I have an old one.
At 9lbs that FN is way too heavy. It looks nice though, it's just too "much".
Maybe a Steyer Scout?
http://www.accuratereloading.com/sscout.jpg
I've somewhat considered that. The biggest hitch is that it's $2k, which is kind of a lot for what I'm wanting to do.
On the more econo side, Savage was to re-intro their Scout rifle this year. I have an old one.
They did (http://savagearms.com/10fcmscout.htm). The rear peep sight is mounted where the scope should be (I'm not wanting to go with the scout scope concept) though. If I knew it was possible to remove the rear peep and scope mount, and put a standard rear iron sight on the barrel (basically swap the scope and the sight) then it would be a very viable option. From the picture it looks like the scout scope mount is somehow attached where the standard rear sight should be, so I don't think this would be much of a problem. I'll have to try to hunt one down to look at.
Rob,
IIRC, the Savage Scout used a B-Square scope mount that utilized the front scope mounting holes and the rear open site dovetail to mount, the rear aptature mounted in the rear scope mounting holes, so switching shouldn't be to hard.
I thought they used to make a regular carbine version also, but I didn't see it in their catalog.
Bob
Bob, it looks like you're correct. I stole this pic from gunsamerica and it appears to show exactly what you describe. It looks like this one might be the old version though as the new version on Savage's website doesn't appear to have the side mag release this one does.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/pop_wm_685945.jpg
At $250 friends and family, I bet this scope (http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=118092) would be a great addition to the $600 Savage.
Bob, it looks like you're correct. I stole this pic from gunsamerica and it appears to show exactly what you describe. It looks like this one might be the old version though as the new version on Savage's website doesn't appear to have the side mag release this one does.
The new Savage Scouts do have a new mag release on the bottom metal. I fingered one recently and it seems to be almost exactly what you're asking for. I don't recall if the rear sight base allows for removal to conventionally mount a scope though.
I recently purchased a Steyr Scout and the sights are rudimentary at best. You get a lot for your money with the Savage at ~$550 (what my friend paid if memory serves). The downsides as I see them are the poor front sight (dot on a stick, I'd rather have a more conventional post), inability to conventionally mount a scope, no built in setup for the Ching Sling (not that big a deal for me, but it's a big deal for Steyr fans) and the big one, small magazines. The Steyr gives you 10 rounds on the gun. The Savage only holds 4.
If someone figures out the mag problem, the Savage would be my choice. It's 80% of what I wanted out of the box, which was a hell of a lot closer than most bolt guns in that price range. I'm not a fan of sending guns off for work.
Rob I would really look into the FN PBR as an option. I own both a PBR and SPR A3G and they are great rifles. Yes the weight is a little factor but bone up on the PT and it's worth the extra couple of pounds. One thing I would suggest with the FN rifles is a trigger job from a good gunsmith. The FN rifles are built right out of the box. I set a new match record last week at a precision rifle match with the SPR and I was shooting against guys running rifles that cost 3 times as much. What ever you purchase invest in good ammo and practice a lot.
Sorry, but weight is weight. "Bone up on the PT" is bullshit. Whether you're a lard-ass that can't walk up the stairs without help or you're Chuck Norris, you can carry a lighter weight further and longer than you can a heavier one.
I plan to take a 3-day class with this rifle. 2 extra pounds over 3 8-10 hour days gets very tedious no matter how much "PT" you have previously "boned up on".
Rob_S,
Would the Remington 788 fit your bill?
It's an older, discontinued rifle, but they have a reputation for OUTSTANDING accuracy.
Hope this helps.
Joel N.
"Yog" (in Alaska)
"Molon Labe!"
Rob, I was gonna say the same thing regading weight.
THe 788 was/is agood gun, I had one for awhile. Rumor/word, is Remington stopped building them because they were outselling and outshooting the 700.
Finsing one in 308, thats in good shape, and not a fortune, could be a problem. The oones I see at the shows are either tore up, or over priced.
Bob
Sorry to ruffle your feathers Rob. I did spend 4 years of my life lugging a 27 pound machine gun to make a living. Yes everything can and will get heavy and yes PT will help reduce some of the negative effects. Nothing wrong with a light rifle if you can get it to shoot and hold up. To each his own is a true saying.
Sorry to ruffle your feathers Rob. I did spend 4 years of my life lugging a 27 pound machine gun to make a living. Yes everything can and will get heavy and yes PT will help reduce some of the negative effects. Nothing wrong with a light rifle if you can get it to shoot and hold up. To each his own is a true saying.
It's just a sticking point of mine. It makes no logical sense to choose a heavy tool when a light tool will do the job just as well. If you look at any of the serious hiking/backpacking magazines you'll find a huge emphasis on things getting lighter and lighter. I don't think anyone would accuse those guys of "needing more PT", but they understand that (as Travis said elsewhere on this site) "ounces turn to pounds" and pounds suck.
Very wise works Rob!!! It is true that a little weight can turn into a lot the longer you carry it. Guess coming from the stand point of not having a choice in the matter I just adapted to the gear. I hope you are able to find a rifle that is accurate and a joy to carry. If I remember right I did see a rifle one time called the Kirfu. It tipped the scales at a little over 4 pounds and was accurate. Best of luck to you hope the class goes well.
Lost River
06-16-11, 05:19
Aside from the iron sight requirement, which could be easily remedied with numerous options, the Tikka T3 lite stainless fits the OP's bill.
I had my barrel trimmed back to an even 20"s.
It wears Talley lightweight rings
VTAC sling. This sling works quite well when wearing a exterior framed pack.
Glass originally was a 4.5-14 Leupold with an M1 elevation turret. It was a truly excellent scope.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/LostRiverRangeOct08027-1.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/001-2.jpg
However, I decided that Leupold needed to go on a custom Tikka T3 chambered in Lilja tubed 6mm Remington:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/010-3.jpg
Lost River
06-16-11, 05:31
.....Continuing on....
The Trimmed Tikka was re scoped with a 2.5-10 Nightforce compact with the NPR2 reticle:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/001-10.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/070-1.jpg
As an all around, general purpose lightweight rifle, such as the OP was describing, this rifle has proven to be a favorite for me.
**Yes I know this was an old thread, but the topic of "practical rifles" is one that is worthy of review from time to time.
This rifle carries quite nicely in the field and has proven to be a typical Tikka/Sako in the accuracy department. In other words, STELLAR.
One thing that should be mentioned is that when shooting light rifles at moderate distances, any poor form on the shooters part is magnified substantially. Shooting heavy precision rifles on a regular basis, a person tends to forget that.
rob_s, someone made a rifle specifically for you. http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/models.html
http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/images/6803.jpg
I'm on the hunt for a bolt action in a pretty specific configuration...
Synthetic stock of 12.5-13" LOP (or ability to be cut)
Barrel 18" lightweight (or ability to be cut)
Standard iron sights
.308
Detachable magazine
6.5-7lbs
Savage makes a Model 14 Euro Classic (http://savagearms.com/14EuroClassic.htm) but that Euro-style stock ain't gonna cut it. The barrel is 22" which is longer than I'd like but eventually I can get it cut down. I'm also not entirely sure if it has detachable mags or not.
Not sure why a 3-year old thread got resurrected on this, but I have since modified my wish list and there are other, more recent, threads on same.
Not sure why a 3-year old thread got resurrected on this, but I have since modified my wish list and there are other, more recent, threads on same.
Haha, don't blame me, I just saw it on the top of the forum so I responded. What did you end up going with?
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