View Full Version : Locals Take Up Arms to Fight Drug Cartel. Awesome.
TacMedic556
11-10-13, 18:21
As my dad put it so well when he emailed me this article: "The lessons in this article are legion.
The Feds "allowing" these people to defend themselves because they can't or won't.
Good people with guns, organizing themselves ad hoc, to resist bad people with guns, WITHOUT the government."
http://news.yahoo.com/local-fight-mexican-cartel-small-victory-211938792.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory
We can not possibly imagine the stress of being a good guy stuck having to fight for what is right in that nightmare scenario.
We can not possibly imagine the stress of being a good guy stuck having to fight for what is right in that nightmare scenario.
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For the record though we should be running guns to these folks.
We can not possibly imagine the stress of being a good guy stuck having to fight for what is right in that nightmare scenario.
I agree. What a horrible place to be caught in! I think most of us on here would end up in a similar roll, but how horrible would it be to just want to simply live your life with your family in the middle of that chaos?
Personally I would take up arms. If my bolt action .22 was all I had I would use it until I could replace it, and I'm really happy I came on here today and saw this thread on this forum as I think the spirit these people are exemplifying is why we have a 2nd Amendment.
I cannot begin to imagine the horrors the locals see and deal with daily. Most Americans have no clue of the attrocities going on to our South. This is a pretty good documentary I watched about the topic. If you look at the arms these guys use, you see many of what MAC mentioned, mostly .22LRs, with shotguns and some pickups. It's sad, but the fact of the matter is these common folks are showing a spirit that most Americans would probably never show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XiSnCt9fDc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Good on those who take up their own protection when the government won't do it.
Can you imagine what the scene would be like if this were taking place north of the border?
The ACLU would be out there demanding something be done regarding the vigilantes acting as judge and jury, violating the Cartel members Constitutional Rights. You know those Rights that protect foreign nationals with American Constitutional Rights.
The media and the Brady bunch would be decrying the situation of out of control gun usage. Endless pundits wailing on about how this happened because we don't have "reasonable" gun control laws in place.
The National Guard and/or the US Military would be dispatched to the area to try to regain control, but who would they end up shooting at? Certainly not the foreign nationals trying to protect their lucrative business. Oh no, can't do that.
The nightly news programs would be showing how devastated the women and children of the Cartel Liberation Fighters (those fighting the just purpose of protecting their grassroots business of smuggling drugs-they're just trying to make a living) were as their men where brought back in the beds of pick up trucks. NPR would have "in the camp" interviews (complete with crickets chirping in the background) with the Cartel Liberation Fighters as they battled the Gringos.
MSNBC would parrot the White House talking points about how racist the vigilante Gringos were and how they just would pick someone to execute just because the skin color and accent was different than theirs.
Good on those who take up their own protection when the government won't do it.
Can you imagine what the scene would be like if this were taking place north of the border?
The ACLU would be out there demanding something be done regarding the vigilantes acting as judge and jury, violating the Cartel members Constitutional Rights. You know those Rights that protect foreign nationals with American Constitutional Rights.
The media and the Brady bunch would be decrying the situation of out of control gun usage. Endless pundits wailing on about how this happened because we don't have "reasonable" gun control laws in place.
The National Guard and/or the US Military would be dispatched to the area to try to regain control, but who would they end up shooting at? Certainly not the foreign nationals trying to protect their lucrative business. Oh no, can't do that.
The nightly news programs would be showing how devastated the women and children of the Cartel Liberation Fighters (those fighting the just purpose of protecting their grassroots business of smuggling drugs-they're just trying to make a living) were as their men where brought back in the beds of pick up trucks. NPR would have "in the camp" interviews (complete with crickets chirping in the background) with the Cartel Liberation Fighters as they battled the Gringos.
MSNBC would parrot the White House talking points about how racist the vigilante Gringos were and how they just would pick someone to execute just because the skin color and accent was different than theirs.
That reminds me, what ever happened to the Minuteman Project who was intent on patrolling their area because they want to expose the fact it's not getting done adequately? They got a lot of press in the beginning I recall.
http://minutemanproject.com/
That reminds me, what ever happened to the Minuteman Project who was intent on patrolling their area because they want to expose the fact it's not getting done adequately? They got a lot of press in the beginning I recall.
http://minutemanproject.com/
I believe that they got sued for civil rights violations numerous times.
TacticalSledgehammer
11-12-13, 14:26
I'm glad to see the citizens of Mexico taking a stand.
TacMedic556
11-16-13, 14:54
I am glad you read this article as well. Now, it is our job to spread this story, this message, use it as evidence to advocate for what we know is the reason for the right to keep and bear (carry, hold, use, have, own) firearms.
I agree. What a horrible place to be caught in! I think most of us on here would end up in a similar roll, but how horrible would it be to just want to simply live your life with your family in the middle of that chaos?
Personally I would take up arms. If my bolt action .22 was all I had I would use it until I could replace it, and I'm really happy I came on here today and saw this thread on this forum as I think the spirit these people are exemplifying is why we have a 2nd Amendment.
I believe that they got sued for civil rights violations numerous times.
Ugh, figures. :(
I'm glad to see the citizens of Mexico taking a stand.I would imagine the Mexican government will come down hard on them. The Mexican soldiers follow orders with out thought just as our will.
HackerF15E
11-16-13, 16:58
You know those Rights that protect foreign nationals with American Constitutional Rights.
Remember -- the Constitution only limits what actions the US Government can take. It does not give American citizens some kind of exclusive rights reserved for Americans; men are "endowed by their creator" with those rights, and that creator does not limit those rights to certain nationalities.
Belmont31R
11-16-13, 20:37
WSJ also has an article on this: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303559504579198280757965184?mod=WSJ_World_LEFTSecondNews
Mexico really has made a turn towards the worse in the last decade. My mom used to take us to TJ when we were kids, and besides the kids selling chicklets a bit aggressively, we never ran into any problems. Can't imagine an American woman today in her 30's taking two little kids into MX alone today.
Remember -- the Constitution only limits what actions the US Government can take. It does not give American citizens some kind of exclusive rights reserved for Americans; men are "endowed by their creator" with those rights, and that creator does not limit those rights to certain nationalities.
Thank you for posting this fact.
And to everyone that is bemoaning that we can't "do this here," I think the situation is a little different. I've never woken up to a decapitated head on my drive to work. Have you? Comparing the situation these families are going through to our immigration problems is nonsense. I have never once gotten up in the morning and wondered if my neighbor was kidnapped and killed in his sleep.
If it ever comes to a point where I feel I have to defend my family in the way these people are doing so I won't be worrying about Obama, Bush, Drones, the ACLU, the NRA, the Motion Picture Association of America. I'll be too busy taking care of my community to care!
Pretty ragtag but they have their priorities straight.
http://fusion.net/Open_Source_with_Leon_Krauze/video/vigilantes-fight-back-mexican-drug-cartels-322867
SilverBullet432
01-17-14, 09:35
Been going on for a few years already. Theres villages in mexico where the people have ran out the cartels.
Moose-Knuckle
01-17-14, 15:18
Google image search brings up a really interesting array of firearms in use by these "vigilantes".
I thought firearms were REALLY tightly controlled in Mexico, i.e. the average guy can't have one? Especially a full-power "military" round like that Tapco'd SKS I saw in the link.
Moose-Knuckle
01-17-14, 15:45
I thought firearms were REALLY tightly controlled in Mexico, i.e. the average guy can't have one? Especially a full-power "military" round like that Tapco'd SKS I saw in the link.
Well Eric Holder and Obama changed all that.
However Mexico has always had a very vibrant black market. Those people are stuck between the cold blooded cartels and corrupt officals.
Well Eric Holder and Obama changed all that.
However Mexico has always had a very vibrant black market. Those people are stuck between the cold blooded cartels and corrupt officals.
Stuck between a rock and a hard place and forced to choose. They chose the hard place and I don't blame them.
As was mentioned, those 'vigilantes' seem to be quite well armed, I would guess just another cartel pretending to be outraged citizens in order to drive out the competition.
Moose-Knuckle
01-18-14, 00:33
As was mentioned, those 'vigilantes' seem to be quite well armed, I would guess just another cartel pretending to be outraged citizens in order to drive out the competition.
Not likely, there are pics of rag tag militias armed with nothing more than single shot shotguns and bolt action hunting rifles.
That reminds me, what ever happened to the Minuteman Project who was intent on patrolling their area because they want to expose the fact it's not getting done adequately? They got a lot of press in the beginning I recall.
http://minutemanproject.com/
Some have become groups like what this guy has. http://www.stlmag.com/St-Louis-Magazine/August-2012/Night-Vision-Joe-Adams-Spends-a-Cozy-Retirement-Chasing-Illegal-Immigrants-Through-the-Arizona-Desert/index.php?cparticle=3&siarticle=2
I cannot begin to imagine the horrors the locals see and deal with daily. Most Americans have no clue of the attrocities going on to our South. This is a pretty good documentary I watched about the topic. If you look at the arms these guys use, you see many of what MAC mentioned, mostly .22LRs, with shotguns and some pickups. It's sad, but the fact of the matter is these common folks are showing a spirit that most Americans would probably never show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XiSnCt9fDc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
This is nice to see happening.
Some have become groups like what this guy has. http://www.stlmag.com/St-Louis-Magazine/August-2012/Night-Vision-Joe-Adams-Spends-a-Cozy-Retirement-Chasing-Illegal-Immigrants-Through-the-Arizona-Desert/index.php?cparticle=3&siarticle=2
that just sounds...odd.
If you are interested in good grass roots reporting from south of the border, Borderland Beat ( http://www.borderlandbeat.com ) should be of interest (caution typically very graphic and NSFW issues).
Pertaining to the topic at hand (read the comments for the real insight):
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2013/11/michoacan-fight-to-deathfor-life_16.html
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2013/11/michoacan-senators-meet-with-templarios.html
ETA - just saw this...
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/01/25-avocado-farms-seized-by-templars.html
"about 200 vigilante supporters gathered in Tancitaro's town square Thursday for a symbolic return of 25 avocado orchards that had been seized by the cartel to their rightful owners."
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"If you didn’t comply, you died, along with your family. The turning point for many was when the Templars started demanding of the men that their wives and daughters be turned over to the cartel, after which they were raped before being returned to their homes when the Templars tired of them.
That was when the people said “Basta” – enough. And the self-defense movement sprang into being."
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"There has been a profound split between the state and society, between the institutions and society," Castillo said. I would agree with that statement. The state and it’s institutions have completely failed to protect and defend the people, which is the primary responsibility of the state."
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