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txf15crewchief
11-16-13, 03:56
My goals with this carbine were very simple. Assemble a durable, reliable, lightweight carbine with quality yet affordable parts. The uses would be as an alternate home defense in a suburban environment, but also usage out to 200 yards or so. Sounds simple enough, but I learned very early on that not every part can be trusted over the nearly year it took to finish this project. Also I apologize now for the long post.

Lower:

The lower is a Palmetto State Armory and originally was ordered with a complete Magpul "Premium" PSA lower parts kit and receiver extension kit. After lubrication and installation of the fire control group I noticed how awful the trigger was even by mil-spec trigger standards. I removed and re-lubricated the components and after dry fire and range time, it seemingly grew worse. After removal yet again and closer inspection, on the face of the trigger at the engagement surface, an entire corner was lopsided and had a relatively rough surface. First PSA component trashed, and replaced by an ALG QMS. No problems since, with a crisper, lighter pull than than that of the previous unit.

Second was the receiver extension. I will preface this by saying that I did not originally stake it, and not surprisingly the RE rotated on one less than one magazine. Murphy strikes quickly. When it did rotate, the "tooth" of the endplate gouged the threads. Well upon removal and replacement by a Daniel Defense 7075-T6 RE, I made several observations, such as the threads of the DD tube were deeper than those of the PSA, while the "slot" for the endplate "tooth" was longer on the DD as well. The PSA seemed to be missing a dry film coating on the interior and had various dimensional differences from the DD including the "lip" that retains the buffer detent and spring in place being smaller on the PSA and the B5 Bravo becoming a significantly snugger fit after the change to the DD. Even the drain hole was a different size between the two, with the PSA being the larger of the two. With the way PSA has been, I would not be too terrible surprised if my supposedly "7075-T6" RE was actually constructed of 6061-T6. If anyone can tell the difference from the photos, I would be glad to learn. The ungouged RE is the DD, the PSA, the trashed one. Yes, I immediately staked the new one on ;)

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Even the PSA buffer spring was of a lower resistance strength in comparison to an equally new BCM spring. While I'm not certain whether or not it matters but the PSA spring was a metallic, soft grey color while the "mil-spec" BCM is a golden brown hue. Not sure if that is the coating or a composition difference. Again, I would be glad to learn the difference.

As someone with rather large hands (I'm 6'6" tall), I like the size of the MOE grip, but prefer the angle of the Gunfighter Grip. At the time this build was started during the panic, the Mod 1 was my only option, thankfully BCM has seen fit to produce a grip (GFG Mod 3) for us overly large Americans. That extra meat on the grip allows me to have a proper distance to the trigger and not feel cramped.

Upper:

Luckily (or intelligently), I knew from the beginning I'd be using a BCM Lightweight Mid-length 16" barreled upper. I did not want to go through the hassle of pinning a muzzle device to a barrel, or having weight on the wrong end of the barrel. A standard A2 flash hider is more than good enough for my intended purposes and as I already suffer from 20% hearing loss courtesy of the USAF, I'd prefer to not lose what I have left. As my only plans for accessories called for a weapon mounted light, a Magpul MOE handguard with Picatinny mount was all that was required. Although I had a spare Gen 1 Gunfighter Charging Handle lying around, I decided to go with a Gen 2 and like that it is slightly refined and less prone to pinching my giant, E.T.-like fingers.

At the time I ordered this upper from Rainer, BCM BCGs were only sporadically in stock, yet the Centurion C4 was a relatively new arrival in the market. After quick research and learning that these were shot peened and MPI'ed, I was fine with them not being HPT'ed in order to prolong bolt life. Add Monty and Centurion's stellar reputation for quality it was a no brainer as was the choice of the Blue Force Gear VCAS.

Sights were about the only thing I grabbled with aside from the receiver extension issue. Although the Aimpoint Micro is the clear choice here and would satisfy 99% of my requirements for optics, I very nearly chose the Leupold VX-R Patrol 1.25-4X for having the 4X magnification. However the added weight, an actual low end magnification of 1.5X, cost and overall planned use meant in the end I chose a Aimpoint Micro R-1 from Grant and a ADM SOCOM height mount from the EE. I already had a rear Magpul MBUS so it went on without much fuss.

As far as the weapon light, normally I have used the Surefire X300 and would have yet again if not for the introduction of the Inforce WML and specifically the momentary-on only variant spec-ed by Haley Strategic Partners. 200 lumens is more than enough for my needs, and although I'm sure a 500 lumen X300 Ultra would be great for hog hunting, that's not the primary purpose of this carbine.

So after all that, here's the carbine in it's finished form, save a IWC MOE sling mount:

Close up of the Centurion C4 BCG, great staking, chromed carrier

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The complete carbine

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Centurion C4 Bolt Bolt Carrier Group
BCM 16" Lightweight Mid
BCM Gunfighter Mod 4 Charging Handle
BCM Gunfighter Mod 3 Grip
BCM Mil-spec Carbine Action Spring
Rainer Arms H-buffer
B5 Systems SOPMOD Bravo
Daniel Defense Mil-spec 7075-T6 Receiver Extension
ALG Defense Quality Mil-Spec Trigger
PSA Lower Receiver
PSA Lower Parts Kit
Magpul MOE Trigger Guard
Magpul MOE Mid-length FDE handguard
Magpul Cantilever Picatinny rail section
Inforce/HSP 200 lumen WML
Aimpoint Micro R-1
Tango Down IO Cover
Blue Force Gear Vickers Combat Applications Sling

If I had to do it over again, I didn't have the lower receiver, I would've just bought nearly the identical configuration from Grant and been done with it. Maybe even that LW Mid with the Geissele Mk4 SMR...

HackerF15E
11-16-13, 05:56
Your post made me curious about a PSA receiver extension kit I purchased, so I dug it out and took a few comparison shots with the BCM buffer, spring, and tube on one of my carbines.

My PSA tube (on the right) seems to be almost identical to yours; the BCM tube (attached to the rifle) has a thread and cutout pattern similar to the PSA and different than the DD in your post. I can't see the threads under the castle nut, unfortunately, to compare those. The BCM and PSA have similar differences in drain hole, with the PSA, like your comparison with the DD, being slightly larger than the BCM. I didn't take the BCM off to do a weight comparison (the PSA tube weighs 3.8 oz), but there are no obvious differences in feel or sound when I tap on them with a punch (pretty non-scientific, I know). I was not able to see the size/shape of the BCM's buffer detent retainer lip to compare it to the DD in your photos.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/Hacker15E/417cde13-3f99-4bd6-99b6-144722245146_zps75e6a0ca.jpg

With respect to buffer springs, the BCM (left) is a silver color while the PSA (right) is a golden color. The BCM spring weighed 1.7 oz and the PSA 1.9 oz. My non-scientific subjective test shows they feel about the same strength when I push on them.

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The buffers show some minor difference in color; the BCM H-buffer (left) is slightly more silvery and weighed 3.9 oz and the PSA carbine buffer (right) had a more yellowed anodized look and weighed 3.0 oz, which are both on target weights (the scale seems to be weighing 1/10th heavy on both).

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txf15crewchief
11-16-13, 09:56
Thanks for posting! I wish I still had that PSA RE just so I could take additional measurements. In the end it probably didn't matter, but it certainly game me piece of mind that I had a known quantity instead. I was very surprised how quickly the RE loosen however as this was my 5th build and I have test fired many of them with unstaked extensions with no issue. I would stake later on, but I did not expect less than 30 rounds of XM193 to be an issue. Overall despite the issue it was a good learning experience.

scoutchris
11-16-13, 10:51
I love it when people compare the "silvery-ness" and "brownish hue" when comparing products. Very scientific, very informative. Thanks for posting.

txf15crewchief
11-16-13, 10:57
I love it when people compare the "silvery-ness" and "brownish hue" when comparing products. Very scientific, very informative. Thanks for posting.

Why thank you for incredibly informative post. That is why I wanted to know if there was a material difference between the two springs aside from the color. Your post goes a long way to explaining this. The way nit pick crap like parkerizing shades on Colt barrels, I was hoping to find that it was inconsequential.

3 AE
11-16-13, 13:35
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That right there is a total win! A good example of everything you need and nothing you don't. Good job on your build and your post.

HackerF15E
11-16-13, 14:35
I love it when people compare the "silvery-ness" and "brownish hue" when comparing products. Very scientific, very informative. Thanks for posting.

Next time I'll get out the spectral analysis machine and the rockwell meter, and do a destructive test before I post comparisons so it'll meet your high scientific standard.

But thanks for your informative contribution, too.

My point in posting those things (color, design details) is that the OP used them as a discriminator between DD and BCM parts and the PSA part. Since I also had a PSA premium receiver ext kit (theoretically the same as his) and a complete BCM assembly (again, theoretically the same buffer and spring as his), posting the differences was a way of comparing if there was something inherently different about the parts between the three.

LewP
11-16-13, 16:35
A nice clean build. Good job.

I checked two PSA premium receiver extensions I purchased recently (advertised as 7075-T6) and found one had two more threads than the other. Both receiver end plate indexing cuts seemed to be identical length. The weep holes were small like your DD receiver extension. The carbine springs are silver/gray and look like the BCM springs in your picture. Surprisingly, there appears to be gray dry lube inside the receiver extensions. The carbine buffers each weighed 84 grams / 2.96 ounces.

Enjoy your new rifle.

SpankMonkey
11-16-13, 17:45
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That right there is a total win! A good example of everything you need and nothing you don't. Good job on your build and your post.

This right here. Good job OP. Very nice stick. It makes me lien in the same direction for my next build.

How do you like the new BCM grip?

HackerF15E
11-18-13, 10:13
I would not be too terrible surprised if my supposedly "7075-T6" RE was actually constructed of 6061-T6. If anyone can tell the difference from the photos, I would be glad to learn. The ungouged RE is the DD, the PSA, the trashed one.

Forgot to mention this in the previous post, but more than likely the PSA tube is 6061, despite the use of the word "premium" in the title of the kit you purchased.

Over on TOS, last year PSA posted:


All of our build kits come standard with the mil-spec diameter 6061 tubes.
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=2&f=301&t=220089

Not sure if they've changed their practice since that was posted in mid 2012.

LewP
11-18-13, 12:27
Not sure if they've changed their practice since that was posted in mid 2012.

The PSA "premium" tube I purchased recently was advertised as 7075. I guess its possible that its not 7075-T6 but some other variation of 7075.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/psa-premium-7075-6-position-mil-spec-diameter-buffer-tube-assembly.html

In the end it all comes down to trusting that the vendor is telling you the truth. At this point in time I don't have any reason not to believe PSAs claims.

I was surprised to see gray dry-lube inside the receiver extension tube.

ScottsBad
11-30-13, 12:24
The PSA "premium" tube I purchased recently was advertised as 7075. I guess its possible that its not 7075-T6 but some other variation of 7075.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/psa-premium-7075-6-position-mil-spec-diameter-buffer-tube-assembly.html

In the end it all comes down to trusting that the vendor is telling you the truth. At this point in time I don't have any reason not to believe PSAs claims.

I was surprised to see gray dry-lube inside the receiver extension tube.


Ah, yes. Trusting the vendor. I just posted my experience with a couple PSA branded purchases. I do not trust PSA, and it isn't about buffer spring finishes. But these are MY observations based on MY expectations. https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?108867-Took-a-chance-on-PSA&p=1804012#post1804012

BTW- VERY NICE RIFLE- I really like the form follows function simplicity.

txf15crewchief
11-30-13, 15:29
Thanks for the complements. Aside from the receiver extension issue and trigger, I've had enough issues with their customer service (or lack thereof), and seen my friends deal with crappy parts as well. Poorly staked BCGs, crooked front sights, items missing from orders, orders disappearing into the black abyss know as there website, misleading descriptions, the list goes on. BCM truly is the gold standard when it comes to not just having good customer service, but educating their customers on exactly why they use certain specs and why it's important. Having to try and decipher what is crap and what is decent on the PSA website is not worth it. Especially when they screw up so many orders.

jaragon
12-04-13, 10:34
+ 1 on the PSA tubes. I did 3 builds in the last year and found myself ordering new RE from BCM to replace the PSA I had originally bought. Live and learn. Nice build!!

txf15crewchief
03-05-14, 23:22
As an update, overall this little BCM has been great, but I've changed a few items and have other modifications in the works.

I swapped out the Aimpoint Micro for a Leupold VX-R Patrol. While the R-1 is a great optic, I just wasn't fond of the 4 MOA dot at distance, and the addition of magnification certainly is nice. The 1.25X and the SPR reticle aren't as bad as I thought they would be, although Leupold could stand to improve the manual that comes along with it. Additionally, the Inforce WML is no longer on this carbine after a issue with light. While Inforce sent a replacement, the issue did not inspire confidence in the WML's durability, both internally and of the pressure pad. I will be switching to a Surefire X300 Ultra long term and in the mean time using a G2X Tactical 200 lumen I have laying around.

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