Anyone Have Experience with Elcan Specter 1.6-6x with 308 Reticle?

[MadDog]

The thread title should read 1.5-6x not 1.6-6x but I don't know how to change that.

I am looking for a 1-6 optic for an HK91 and was thinking about the Elcan Specter 1.5-6x with 308 reticle. I don't want a 1-6 Accupoint as it does not have BDC and don't like most of the other offerings out there. Anyone have any experience with the 1.5-6X Elcan? If so how did you like it? I have heard some people say they do not like the "external" adjustments but those same people have never had the Specter go "out" of adjustment from bumps and common use.

Any opinions from actual users would be greatly appreciated.

[SkyPup]

I have two of them from EuroOptics and they are excellent scopes, I enjoy the 1.5X wide field of view and instant switch over to 6X. The 42mm objective collects light real well for sunup or sundown use too. The windage and elevation adjustments are 0.5MOA per click and easy and precise, you can walk your rounds up and down your target and the adjustments do not move. The size ranging is also helpful to estimating target distances at night as well as during the day. The eye relief is also better than my ACOGs.

I use allot of Ernest Letiz microscopes at work and their optics are spectacular. The 7.62mm NATO mil spec ballistic reticule is excellent as well, although I normally do not shoot much over 300 yards or so as my rifles are for hunting instead of punching paper.

http://www.phossil.com/thom/SIG%20716%20Precision/SIG%20716%20Precision%20FLIR%20T70.jpg

http://www.phossil.com/thom/SIG%20716%20Precision/SIG%20716%20Precision%20Side.jpg


Here is all the information you need about one, if you call EuroOptics personally, you can make a deal on the price by about 15%....

http://www.eurooptic.com/elcan-specterdr-dfov156-c2.aspx

http://www.phossil.com/thom/SIG%20716%20Precision/SIG%20716%20Precision%20Elcan%20View.jpg

225yards one shot dead of night:

http://www.phossil.com/thom/SIG%20716%20Precision/225%20Yard%20Coyote/SIG%20716P%20225%20Yards.jpg

http://www.phossil.com/thom/SIG%20716%20Precision/5%20Hogs/SIG%20716%205%20Hogs.jpg

Oak tree is 175 yards out through FLIR themal optic.

http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/Elcan%20Specter%20DR/Specter%20Reticule%20T50.jpg

[ptmccain]

It's an awesome optic for what it is designed to do, and to provice, but be aware it is incredibly heavy. Put a brick on your rail and you get an idea of how much.

[SkyPup]

Here is all the info you'll find about one on EuroOptics, you can make a deal with them on the phone and get a 10-15% price break on the instrument.

http://www.eurooptic.com/elcan-specterdr-dfov156-c2.aspx

[RHINOWSO]

Skypup, thanks for adding factual, first hand information to this thread, as the OP requested.

Looks like your Elcan doing well eliminating the piggys for you as well!

[Sensei]

So, what does the Elcan accomplish that a Leupold Mark 6 with CMR-W reticle can't? The Leupold is a lighter, less expensive package with a true 1X daylight-visible red dot. Then, there is the ARMS mount on Elcan - not my favorite mounting platform.

Prior to Leupold revamping their tactical line, I would have said that the Elcan makes sense over a fixed magnification optic such as the ACOG. Now, not do much...

[SkyPup]

I love my ACOGs on my 556s, but on the 7.62mms this Elcan is even better, the glass and the reticule is superb. Being able to accurately judge distances is a major plus too....

I also use the Leopold VX-R 1-4X often, but the larger objective on this Elcan is beneficial at dusk and dawn in low light conditions.

[SkyPup]

Here is another one on my other rifle, one shot boar @ 225 yards at night.

http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20T60/350%20lb%20Sig%20716/SIG%20716%20350%20lbs.jpg


http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/Elcan%20Specter%20DR/SIG%20716%20Specter%20DR.jpg

[RHINOWSO]

From my observation I think Elcan illumination superior to the MK6 "daylight unless it's bright and not overcast illumination."

And the quick change from 1.5 to 6x and back.

[Singlestack Wonder]

It's an awesome optic for what it is designed to do, and to provice, but be aware it is incredibly heavy. Put a brick on your rail and you get an idea of how much.

At 700 grams (24.692 ounces) it is actually a bit lighter than a Leupold Mk 6 1-6x (17 ounces) with American Defense Recon Mount (8.4 ounces), total of 25.4 ounces.

[Singlestack Wonder]

So, what does the Elcan accomplish that a Leupold Mark 6 with CMR-W reticle can't? The Leupold is a lighter, less expensive package with a true 1X daylight-visible red dot. Then, there is the ARMS mount on Elcan - not my favorite mounting platform.

Prior to Leupold revamping their tactical line, I would have said that the Elcan makes sense over a fixed magnification optic such as the ACOG. Now, not do much...

The Elcan does have a true, daylight visible dot which is Aimpoint bright. The Leupold Mk6 1-6x has daylight visible illumination BUT if one is not perfectly in line with the reticle, the illumination will fade in and out.

[MadDog]

So, what does the Elcan accomplish that a Leupold Mark 6 with CMR-W reticle can't? The Leupold is a lighter, less expensive package with a true 1X daylight-visible red dot. Then, there is the ARMS mount on Elcan - not my favorite mounting platform.

Prior to Leupold revamping their tactical line, I would have said that the Elcan makes sense over a fixed magnification optic such as the ACOG. Now, not do much...

Sensei:

Thanks for the recommendation. I just started checking out the Leupold MK6 and the price is about the same as the Elcan with the exception of having to buy a scope mount for the Leupold adding to the cost as it comes with nothing. I prefer LaRue mounts over ARMS but I have to say I still have three ARMS mounts on various rifles and have not had a single mount failure so that is really not an issue with me. I will keep looking but at this time I am leaning towards the Elcan.

[SkyPup]

I nailed another songdog at 225 yards last night with the ELCAN/FLIR T-70 in pitch dark at 225 yards.

Took over twenty minutes of calling and he kept coming in and out of the far tree line and would never stand still, very nervous.

Finally had a clear sight picture of him on the edge of the tree line and put the center crosshair dot on his heart, one handloaded 130 grain Barnes TSX went through him and he dropped dead in his tracks.

http://www.phossil.com/thom/SIG%20716%20Precision/SIG%20716P%20225%20Yard%20Coyote/SIG%20716P%20Coyote%20225%20Yards.jpg

[Sensei]

The Elcan does have a true, daylight visible dot which is Aimpoint bright. The Leupold Mk6 1-6x has daylight visible illumination BUT if one is not perfectly in line with the reticle, the illumination will fade in and out.


Sensei:

Thanks for the recommendation. I just started checking out the Leupold MK6 and the price is about the same as the Elcan with the exception of having to buy a scope mount for the Leupold adding to the cost as it comes with nothing. I prefer LaRue mounts over ARMS but I have to say I still have three ARMS mounts on various rifles and have not had a single mount failure so that is really not an issue with me. I will keep looking but at this time I am leaning towards the Elcan.

Singlestack brings up a good point that the weights are similar after accounting for the mount. I'm curious to see how much this reported "flicker" affects my speed with the MK6 - I just ordered one from Liberty Optics. FWIW, they have it on sale with the CMR-W reticle for $1599 right here: http://www.libertyoptics.com/contents/en-us/d8.html

That price is damn hard to beat. Hopefully my wife....err...I mean Santa ordered the correct Larue mount for my stocking.