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Played with a 41 today .. it points well and does not feel crazy heavy. I carry a 34 as a duty gun and the 41 in gen 4trim does not feel much fatter. I like the fact that the 41 doesn't have the slide cut out of the other long slides.. It is about $100 more than the Glock 21 and as of yet has no blue label pricing.
If this is covered elsewhere let me know or delete this
Ive got a pic I can't figure out how to up loadGlock
brushy bill
01-03-14, 19:57
Played with a 41 today .. it points well and does not feel crazy heavy. I carry a 34 as a duty gun and the 41 in gen 4trim does not feel much fatter. I like the fact that the 41 doesn't have the slide cut out of the other long slides.. It is about $100 more than the Glock 21 and as of yet has no blue label pricing.
If this is covered elsewhere let me know or delete this
Ive got a pic I can't figure out how to up loadGlock
Well post that bad boy! And what is this about no slide cut out? No slide cut out and a long slide?
Trying how to get the pic off my phone and on to here..
Correct there is no cut on top like the 34/35 has
Is the slide G21 width or is it slim like a G30S?
brushy bill
01-03-14, 20:17
Trying how to get the pic off my phone and on to here..
Correct there is no cut on top like the 34/35 has
Finger grooves?
You need to host the photo on a hosting site. If you're on tapatalk on your phone the option is in the post reply box.
yes finger groves its a 21 g4 lower
Waiting on photobucket to get my upload
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brushy bill
01-03-14, 21:33
Without blue label pricing and a $100 extra tariff to boot, it would have to offer more than no cut out. Full size Gen 4 frame and finger grooves...well at least they got that right with the 42. I won't be getting one.
Thanks for posting this though.
Waiting on photobucket to get my upload
22476
I think photobucket resized your photo. If you could reupload without resize that'd be appreciated!
im doing this from a tablet and phone if someone can take e mail ill send pic over for proper posting
brushy bill
01-03-14, 21:37
PM inbound
brushy bill
01-03-14, 21:50
I can't make it work..sorry Roy.
I also lied about price. Looks like tag says 625
Pics from Roy
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/RikkiTikkiGTO/3C9515A6-AB0C-419B-BE76-4078E92E721C.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/RikkiTikkiGTO/89FAFA80-5DE6-4FB4-97DF-D2B8AEA8A5B7.jpg
Thanks!! I can grab some more pix if needed. Not sure what was up with posting them .....
Pics of slide width comparisons would be nice.
willowofwisp
01-04-14, 00:18
Pics of slide width comparisons would be nice.
was this at the Firing Line in Michigan?
I just posted the pics for Roy, but it appears he is from Mi.
that would make a nice duty pistol.
now make it in 10mm and I'm all in
That's a big sombitch. Makes a 21 look small. Never thought that could happen.
that would make a nice duty pistol.
now make it in 10mm and I'm all in
Love my 21, but man that thing would be sweet in 10mm! Love my 10's!!
Love my 21, but man that thing would be sweet in 10mm! Love my 10's!!
It will be interesting to see if they can use the skinny slide on a 10mm. I'm no engineer, but unless technology has improved significantly I suspect the G20 is as small as they felt safe making it. I've wanted to build my own G20L for years now as a woods gun. Was planning to use a LWD slide and KKM bbl. Might have to wait and see what is on the horizon for factory options.
Psalms144.1
01-04-14, 08:01
It'll be interesting to me to see if the "skinny" slide makes the transition to the G21 as well - a G21S to go with the G30S? Either of those, in Gen4 config, would be welcome in my collection to fill the "field" .45 ACP requirement...
Yup firing line in Michigan has 10 of em. When I said 100 difference in price I was comparing it to a blur lable 21... I think it would make a killer nightstand gun or duty gun. I'll work on pix
Ok ive got some more pix who wants em???
who wants to host em
willowofwisp
01-04-14, 12:06
Yup firing line in Michigan has 10 of em. When I said 100 difference in price I was comparing it to a blur lable 21... I think it would make a killer nightstand gun or duty gun. I'll work on pix
I'm going there today..maybe I will pick one up LOL.
did they have any 42?
You can upload them to a site like photobucket or flickr or email them to me again and I'll post them.
I tried photo bucket yesterday but it resized my junk
I tried photo bucket yesterday but it resized my junk
How did you link it? I've always used PB and haven't had that issue. Use the link to the image and post it between
Just sent over pix of a 21/41/17 not the perfect angle but I had someone from the shop text em to me
Given Glocks numbering scheme (ie. 20, 21, 29, 30) I wouldn't be surprised if the G40 is the same gun in 10mm.
If this gun is the same exact size as the G34 and 35 that would be really cool. No need to worry about finding holsters.
Given Glocks numbering scheme (ie. 20, 21, 29, 30) I wouldn't be surprised if the G40 is the same gun in 10mm.
If this gun is the same exact size as the G34 and 35 that would be really cool. No need to worry about finding holsters.
We'll they could surprise us at SHOT, but everything I've read indicates they skipped "40" to avoid confusion with the common reference to the G22.
No 42s yet over there.. and I didn't check holster fit for 34/35 holsters. I was up there talking to one of the owners figuring out a problem with my Lwrc so I was a lil flighty
Pic from Roy
21/41/17
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/RikkiTikkiGTO/861F304D-D483-449E-A6CA-808DC2B5DFE9.jpg
Given Glocks numbering scheme (ie. 20, 21, 29, 30) I wouldn't be surprised if the G40 is the same gun in 10mm.
If this gun is the same exact size as the G34 and 35 that would be really cool. No need to worry about finding holsters.
That was REALLY logical.
G20 = G40 (And 10mm IS a .40 caliber...No confusion to say "Da Glock 40.")
G21 = G41
Wonder why they won't announce it.
That's what I was wondering. So it's the same size as a G34 other than the grip being bigger? I like.
Psalms144.1
01-04-14, 14:42
Pic from Roy
21/41/17
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/RikkiTikkiGTO/861F304D-D483-449E-A6CA-808DC2B5DFE9.jpgInteresting that they went with the G30-style round nose up front. Again, cut that thing to G21 length, and it might be a STRONG contender for a "winter gun"
Robb Jensen
01-04-14, 16:18
Is the slide G21 width or is it slim like a G30S?
Yep same width as a 9mm/.40/.357 slide fits and locks into Safariland ALS holsters designed for G17s and G19s as well.
It'll be interesting to me to see if the "skinny" slide makes the transition to the G21 as well - a G21S to go with the G30S? Either of those, in Gen4 config, would be welcome in my collection to fill the "field" .45 ACP requirement...
21s. That would be shit hot!
brushy bill
01-04-14, 16:32
Yep same width as a 9mm/.40/.357 slide fits and locks into Safariland ALS holsters designed for G17s and G19s as well.
Wondering how these will hold up to extended use with the thinner slides...
I would also be a fan of it cut to the G21 length. Add a 10mm model and I think people would be all over it.
Wondering how these will hold up to extended use with the thinner slides...
I would think with a stiffer spring and the 45 being a fairly low pressure round it will be fine. I would guess that's why this one doesn't have the slide cutout, does not need less weight
The Dumb Gun Collector
01-04-14, 19:08
Looks pretty interesting to me. That would make a heckuva beside the bed blaster with an X400 and DG switch.
I tried photo bucket yesterday but it resized my junk
Only the best 187th post ever! lol
Well I guess people are getting smarter about making a .45 now,one thing I always remember about my 21 was the absolute pain in the goddamn ass finding a holster that would fit,same with the FN .45 I had.
http://www.gunsandammo.com/2014/01/04/revealed-glock-41-42-pistols/
http://www.ammoland.com/2014/01/glock-41-gen4-pistol/#axzz2pd3h533G
I expect a G41 to part me from my money sometime in the near future. Especially if they do an FDE or OD run...and as long as one of those Gen 4 backstraps is roughly equivalent in size to an old skool fatty G21 Gen 3.
I expect a G41 to part me from my money sometime in the near future. Especially if they do an FDE or OD run...and as long as one of those Gen 4 backstraps is roughly equivalent in size to an old skool fatty G21 Gen 3.
That's exactly what I'm waiting for - FDE or OD.
NCPatrolAR
01-09-14, 20:25
Think it might be time for my TRP Operator to get traded for one of these.
Think it might be time for my TRP Operator to get traded for one of these.
For a TRP Operater I'd think you could get at least 3 Glock 41's. Or a 41, 21, and 30S. ;)
NCPatrolAR
01-09-14, 20:47
For a TRP Operater I'd think you could get at least 3 Glock 41's. Or a 41, 21, and 30S. ;)
Already have a 21SF. Think a 41 w/ some mags would work just fine for me
There's no scenario where you don't regret trading in a TRP Operator.
Think it might be time for my TRP Operator to get traded for one of these.
me too with my gen 4 FDE 21..dig the slide
There's no scenario where you don't regret trading in a TRP Operator.
one in which you have multiple upper end 1911s would qualify
MountainRaven
01-11-14, 14:32
If they do the Mod 40 as a 10mm mod 41, I will have to find one in a dark earth frame. Ultimate bear gun right there... And probably a helluva hunting handgun.
This may be a very viable alternative for Dept's issuing the G21 or other platforms in .45acp. What really caught me by surprise was how the thin the slide is compared to the 21.
Considering it's a long slide...it balanced actually really well for me.
http://imageshack.com/a/img194/1795/3fcj.jpg
I might have to add a G41, there is something about it that calls my name.
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walkin' trails
01-11-14, 18:55
I was skimming thru the new Glock Annual at a magazine stand today and saw the 41, but they didn't show any pics of the top of the slide. Was the trigger a standard 5.5? Hope it shoots as good as it looks.
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Robb Jensen
01-11-14, 19:43
3.5lb connector (4.5lb pull), no hole on top. Same slide length and thickness as a G34/35.
If they do the Mod 40 as a 10mm mod 41, I will have to find one in a dark earth frame. Ultimate bear gun right there... And probably a helluva hunting handgun.
I was never into the large-framed Glocks / other than black frames / or the .45ACP/10mm calibers for that matter.
But, this statement has me really considering. Let's see...the Glock 40 Gen4 in 10mm, slim slide, in dark earth. That combo just oozes SEXY. Yep, I can finally see one of those in my future.
Can't believe how excited I am about a new Glock. This 41 is going to be awesome.
I've wanted GLOCK to make a long slide .45 ACP for several years now... Just finding out about the slide thickness and lack of cut out on the top has got me even more excited! I definitely have to pick one of these up.
My local shop has one on hold for me...
Does anyone know if it fits a 34/35 holster?
My local shop has one on hold for me...
Does anyone know if it fits a 34/35 holster?
How would we know this on a firearm that isn't out yet? Silly billy
How would we know this on a firearm that isn't out yet? Silly billy
Have you read any of the threads on the subject? They are out and members here have posted pics of the G41's they now own.
NCPatrolAR
01-12-14, 19:07
It appears the 42 will be a hit among the general population while more "informed" shooters are flocking to the 41
It appears the 42 will be a hit among the general population while more "informed" shooters are flocking to the 41
A good cross section of people interested in the 41 have a bunch of 21 mags already. (Myself included). Can't speak for everybody, but having one smallish gun that takes a unique mag (Shield) is enough for me. YMMV.
It appears the 42 will be a hit among the general population while more "informed" shooters are flocking to the 41
If this gun doesn't put the 1911 in the grave...
NCPatrolAR
01-12-14, 22:30
If this gun doesn't put the 1911 in the grave...
No way
Spookydude
01-13-14, 04:31
3.5lb connector (4.5lb pull), no hole on top. Same slide length and thickness as a G34/35.
Mine came with "dot" connector for a pull of 5.5 lbs (label on the box also states 5.5).
If this gun doesn't put the 1911 in the grave...
Absolutely! The entire 1911 culture have been excitedly awaiting the arrival of a 5" barreled Glock 21... :sarcastic:
I like it. This might get me to buy a Glock and put a .45 back in the armory.
Absolutely! The entire 1911 culture have been excitedly awaiting the arrival of a 5" barreled Glock 21... :sarcastic:
This isn’t just a longer G21. With the slide width of the 9mms on a Gen4 frame/grip, most of the “bulk” issues that folks complain about the G21 have been addressed. With Glock triggers being as good as they are, there’s not a good argument left for the 1911 except nostalgia...
I just hope they allocate some to GSSF members. It has been a while since I have wanted to use one of my coupons.
This isn’t just a longer G21. With the slide width of the 9mms on a Gen4 frame/grip, most of the “bulk” issues that folks complain about the G21 have been addressed. With Glock triggers being as good as they are, there’s not a good argument left for the 1911 except nostalgia...
Lets not turn this into a 1911 vs. Glock thread... But as one of those nostalgic 1911 owners since my teens, as well as a Glock 21 owner, this pistol is not going to even register a blip in the 1911 market.
Psalms144.1
01-13-14, 09:28
This isn’t just a longer G21. With the slide width of the 9mms on a Gen4 frame/grip, most of the “bulk” issues that folks complain about the G21 have been addressed. With Glock triggers being as good as they are, there’s not a good argument left for the 1911 except nostalgia...
Wow, just wow. Now we not only hear that the Glock trigger is "as good as they are," but now the Glock trigger is going to kill the 1911, which is LEGENDARY for it's shootability specifically because it has the most shootable trigger on any platform yet built!
Seriously, I don't and wouldn't carry a 1911 for serious purposes anymore, because there are better options out there (and a G21 with this "slim" slide would be one of them!), but, when I absolutely, positively have to show off on the range, or make a critical hit on a VERY difficult target, the 1911 would be my FIRST choice, not my last...
Anyway, here's hoping the G41 is as successful as it sounds like it should be!
Regards,
Kevin
OMG a long slide polymer .45! Glock is only about 20 years late. Let's see, the HK Mark 23, USP expert, USP elite.
All joking aside the 41 should sell really well, plenty of glock followers will buy these up.
SamuelBLong
01-13-14, 10:44
My local shop has one on hold for me...
Does anyone know if it fits a 34/35 holster?
Picked up a 41 and 42 the other day.
Yes, but it fits snugly. Tested with my safariland 6354 and JM Custom AIWB holsters.
No way
My thought as well
Beat Trash
01-13-14, 14:21
I just assumed it was a long slide Glock 21. But with a slide width the same as a G34, I'll be buying one for sure.
I expect a G41 to part me from my money sometime in the near future.
Yep. The 42 was a yawn, but this thing has brush-country blacktail deer gun written all oner it.
Okie John
FChen17213
01-13-14, 23:21
The G41 looks like it is built in Austria, unlike the G42. I suspect they're able to engineer the slide without the top cutout due to the more powerful 45ACP cartridge and slimmer slide than the G21. Rather than to make that top cutout to remove mass, they made it 36/30S'esque to remove the mass to keep good reliable cycling. This is just my guess though. With the G41 config, I could see it being a good mil/LEO duty weapon.
In terms of competition, what would you use it for? Would it really be better than a G34 for SSP in IDPA? I doubt it. Unless, you're just a 45ACP fanatic, why wouldn't you still use a G34? Same thing for ESP. People would use a modified G34. For USPSA, I guess you can mod one out and use it to shoot Major for Limited or Limited 10 if you love Glocks. If that's the case though, why not use a G35 in 40 for a smaller grip and slightly smaller caliber as long as you still make Major power factor?
Thus, I see this more of a uniform/tactical gun than a competition gun. Someone who shoots USPSA way more than I do can chime in as I'm not all that familiar with the rule details. Yes, I know there are those who just prefer 45ACP and compete.
Robb Jensen
01-14-14, 02:03
The 41 would make a great IDPA CDP division gun.
It would make a good SSP gun if you handloaded and were using the "clays" load which recoils similar to 9mm while making Major. For SSP (all SSP is all Minor) you could make it shoot even softer than 9mm.
FChen17213
01-14-14, 02:53
The 41 would make a great IDPA CDP division gun.
It would make a good SSP gun if you handloaded and were using the "clays" load which recoils similar to 9mm while making Major. For SSP (all SSP is all Minor) you could make it shoot even softer than 9mm.
I don't think IDPA has Major or Minor although I could be wrong. I think Power Factor is a USPSA thing. Yes, there still is Power Factor for IDPA but it's a minimum to make that will let you shoot the match period. I don't think there is a Major or Minor distinction in terms of score calculation. I think you meant Production in USPSA rather than SSP in IDPA. All Production in USPSA is Minor. SSP in IDPA is pretty analogous to Production in USPSA.
If you load only 8+1, I think you could compete against mainly 1911s in CDP for IDPA.
Robb Jensen
01-14-14, 06:13
IDPA doesn't have Major or Minor HOWEVER there is a power floor. SSP & ESP have to make a minimum PF of 125 and CDP is .45 only and HAS to make 165 PF...
SSP & CDP Expert since 2004.
IDPA doesn't have Major or Minor HOWEVER there is a power floor. SSP & ESP have to make a minimum PF of 125 and CDP is .45 only and HAS to make 165 PF...
SSP & CDP Expert since 2004.
Right! I see this as a great no fuss CDP gun, one that will work with little to zero tweaking. For USPSA if offered in 10mm I could see it modified to a higher cap, low recoil .40 but the G35 pretty much fills that role. If it could be modified to .38 super or .38 SC then the possibilities for that game expand.
WickedWillis
01-14-14, 12:23
This looks like it will be my new bedside gun. I'll throw some Trijicon HD's and my X300 ultra on there and Ill be GTG.
I like this gun. A 34 makes me feel like a super star after putting several hundred rounds through a 19. I hope the 41 gives same feeling.
Now that's just plain funny!
Absolutely! The entire 1911 culture have been excitedly awaiting the arrival of a 5" barreled Glock 21... :sarcastic:
Insta-Gator
01-15-14, 07:33
If this gun doesn't put the 1911 in the grave...
Not gonna happen. I love my Glocks, but I've recently purchased Kimber 1911 (full size) and love it. It's a different animal. Feels different, shoots different, looks different, sexiest trigger I've ever pulled on a handgun.
A beautiful brunette is not going to put beautiful blondes or red heads "in the grave." They're all beautiful in their own unique way.
I'm curious to see if it will fit my RCS G34 holster. I kinda doubt it due to the thicker frame.
SeriousStudent
01-15-14, 22:08
I'm curious to see if it will fit my RCS G34 holster. I kinda doubt it due to the thicker frame.
I have been wondering the same thing. I have read that it will fit into a Safariland ALS. I've got a GSSF coupon sitting in my desk drawer, and am debating snagging a G41. I've got a G34 holster I can use.
If it fits.
Crow Hunter
01-16-14, 07:29
I am hoping they release a 10mm version of it.
I have been on the fence about getting a G20 as a hunting gun with the extended barrel.
I think I would like this in 10mm better.
PatrioticDisorder
01-16-14, 09:09
I have been wondering the same thing. I have read that it will fit into a Safariland ALS. I've got a GSSF coupon sitting in my desk drawer, and am debating snagging a G41. I've got a G34 holster I can use.
If it fits.
No first hand experience but the general rule from everything I've gathered from guys who own a G30s is that it will fit G19 holsters as a rule without any issue. As long as the G41 isn't longer than the G34, based on G30s holsters fitting G19 holsters, I would think you should be good to go.
I wish my local GT Distributors would let me purchase one from their upcoming shipment, but they are not allowing GSSF coupons to be used on the LEO G41.:mad:
Sorry about the side bar but I am curious as I am not a competition guy, but what is the sense in being able to use a .45 load that is watered down to the point that it recoils as little or less than a 9mm? Doesn't that kinda defeat the intended purpose of design of the weapon / caliber combo?
To get back on track, I have a couple 34's and a 35 that I don't shoot. For some reason I perform better with the 17/22 sized pistols. My Gen4 21 feels about just the right size / weight and shoots well. Gotta try out a 41 but I am quite sure it would just sit with the 34's and the 35.
Spookydude
01-16-14, 11:38
No first hand experience but the general rule from everything I've gathered from guys who own a G30s is that it will fit G19 holsters as a rule without any issue. As long as the G41 isn't longer than the G34, based on G30s holsters fitting G19 holsters, I would think you should be good to go.
I tried my 41 in my coworkers Glock 35 sized Safariland 6360, and while it fits and locks on the ALS latch thingy, the back of the slide sticks about 1/4" out of the top of the holster (thus you can't close rotating hood). This is due to the fact that the ALS latches on the breech opening, and the breech opening on the 41 (and the other 45's) is positioned slightly forward when compared with the 35.
So the 41 won't work with the Glock 34/35 Safariland 6360 ALS holster. I've e-mailed Safariland to ask if they have an ETA on a Glock 41 compatible version.
I have reservations about such a light slide in 10mm. I expect that a 10mm version would have the wider slide.
Sorry about the side bar but I am curious as I am not a competition guy, but what is the sense in being able to use a .45 load that is watered down to the point that it recoils as little or less than a 9mm? Doesn't that kinda defeat the intended purpose of design of the weapon / caliber combo?
To get back on track, I have a couple 34's and a 35 that I don't shoot. For some reason I perform better with the 17/22 sized pistols. My Gen4 21 feels about just the right size / weight and shoots well. Gotta try out a 41 but I am quite sure it would just sit with the 34's and the 35.
I've bought, shot and then sold two G34s across a few years. One a Gen 3 and then a Gen 4. I had the same result vs G17s. I will likely pass on this one but a 10mm as a hunting/woods gun would be a different thing. I'm not optimistic they will introduce another 10mm however.
WickedWillis
01-16-14, 13:00
I have reservations about such a light slide in 10mm. I expect that a 10mm version would have the wider slide.
Plus 10mm is labeled to Glock as a niche market.
SeriousStudent
01-16-14, 20:39
I wish my local GT Distributors would let me purchase one from their upcoming shipment, but they are not allowing GSSF coupons to be used on the LEO G41.:mad:
Poop. That was where I was going to drive, coupon clutched in my wee stubby digits.
The idea of a softer-recoiling .45 is appealing to me. I've busted up my hands a lot over the years, and have enough arthritis that I just cannot shoot a 1911 for any appreciable volume. I was hoping a G41 might be an answer to that.
Poop. That was where I was going to drive, coupon clutched in my wee stubby digits.
The idea of a softer-recoiling .45 is appealing to me. I've busted up my hands a lot over the years, and have enough arthritis that I just cannot shoot a 1911 for any appreciable volume. I was hoping a G41 might be an answer to that.
I am going there tomorrow. I will quadruple check with a couple of guys I know there. Maybe something will come of it.
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Confirmed according to GT Dist. Glock is not accepting GSSF coupons for the first year of introduction for the 41 or 42.
They did have a Glock 41 and 42 on display at their Austin location, so if you want to get a feel for them, you should stop by. The 41 feels fantastic and the slim slide is great.
I am going there tomorrow. I will quadruple check with a couple of guys I know there. Maybe something will come of it.
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I personally am not Glock poor but would like to try a G41. The fact that Glock will not honor a GSSF discounted G41 chafes the backside.
GSSF and the coupon benefit has become onerous here in SC. Lawmans Supply in Columbia, SC use to be a stocking dealer and honored the coupons but as of 2014 it does not.
No value in GSSF for me going forward.
I have reservations about such a light slide in 10mm. I expect that a 10mm version would have the wider slide.
The slide doesn't usually get beat up too bad though, right? I thought the frame took most of the abuse...
Plus 10mm is labeled to Glock as a niche market.
Glock sells 15,000 a year. That's not many.
The slide doesn't usually get beat up too bad though, right? I thought the frame took most of the abuse...
I'm sure it does, but you'd have very high slide velocity and that is a bad thing. That's what's wrong with the 22.
Insta-Gator
01-17-14, 15:19
I'm sure it does, but you'd have very high slide velocity and that is a bad thing. That's what's wrong with the 22.
Gen4 spring won't help??
That's the whole reason it exists, but I don't know it is enough to get the job done without the right weight.
brushy bill
01-17-14, 17:10
I'm sure it does, but you'd have very high slide velocity and that is a bad thing. That's what's wrong with the 22.
I think the key is not being a beta tester. Give it a year or two to see how it works out. Lot of unhappy early purchasers with the Gen 4 and the M&P 9 it seems. Better to let them work the bugs out first.
SeriousStudent
01-17-14, 20:18
Confirmed according to GT Dist. Glock is not accepting GSSF coupons for the first year of introduction for the 41 or 42.
They did have a Glock 41 and 42 on display at their Austin location, so if you want to get a feel for them, you should stop by. The 41 feels fantastic and the slim slide is great.
Thanks for checking, I do appreciate the legwork. I may just grab another G17, and have Lane at Cold Bore Customs cut the grip down to G19 length for me. I've been meaning to do that for a while.
I'll use next year's coupon on a G41. Rationalization is a wonderful thing. ;)
MountainRaven
01-17-14, 21:53
Glock sells 15,000 a year. That's not many.
I'm pretty sure that's more than every other 10mm Auto handgun on the market combined, though.
Glock can't make enough of the things. Around here, they show up on dealer's shelves, and then sell within a week. And that's how it has been for as long as I've been paying attention to guns on dealers' shelves (last 6-7 years).
Thanks for checking, I do appreciate the legwork. I may just grab another G17, and have Lane at Cold Bore Customs cut the grip down to G19 length for me. I've been meaning to do that for a while.
I'll use next year's coupon on a G41. Rationalization is a wonderful thing. ;)
Fwiw...I was informed by a Leo dealer that they will be available at "blue label" pricing, but no price point could be revealed until Monday.
Gary1911A1
01-18-14, 06:21
I think the key is not being a beta tester. Give it a year or two to see how it works out. Lot of unhappy early purchasers with the Gen 4 and the M&P 9 it seems. Better to let them work the bugs out first.
Wise words. I have learned the above the hard way. Several times.:(
plouffedaddy
01-18-14, 08:24
Fwiw...I was informed by a Leo dealer that they will be available at "blue label" pricing, but no price point could be revealed until Monday.
Blue label is $480
Fwiw...I was informed by a Leo dealer that they will be available at "blue label" pricing, but no price point could be revealed until Monday.
This pic has been on the GT Home page since the 6th:
http://www.gtdist.com/images/ad-rot-glock4142.jpg
Blue label is $480
This pic has been on the GT Home page since the 6th:
http://www.gtdist.com/images/ad-rot-glock4142.jpg
That's not bad, I'll pick one up Monday
Is that agency pricing or individual officer pricing? Seems like the 41 would be more expensive then that since it's a .45 and a tactical/practical. That's a really good price if it's Officer pricing.
Is that agency pricing or individual officer pricing? Seems like the 41 would be more expensive then that since it's a .45 and a tactical/practical. That's a really good price if it's Officer pricing.
That's I/O price with FET. Agency is less.
I've been praying for a thin slide G21 ever since picking up a 30S last year. This gives me hope that something could be a possibility.
Digging it...I'll put some rounds through this afternoon when I get home and report back.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g219/rocketmanmtb/690A5550-CA54-432A-AB0C-FA9E4F5EAFE7_zpsmempnsqc.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g219/rocketmanmtb/0AAAB27A-D26A-4E82-A7E1-537B6D60E840_zpsnnsg56ef.jpg
Can you tell us what you paid for it if you don't mind?
SamuelBLong
01-20-14, 21:53
Range Report 1/20/14
I picked up my g41 from our local LE distributor this morning. I immediately ripped off the plastic sights and installed a set of yellow Trijicon HD's for the g21.
I initially started out shooting pmc 230gr ball at 5 yds to get an idea of where it was hitting and how the timing of the gun was. Shooting at 1" dots it was easy to keep them all in.
I switched over to a 230gr speer gold dot duty/carry load to see how it performed at distance. The gun was rested and 5 shot groups taken using a center hold on the F2S target.
Not bad at all - about 2.5" avg at 25yds with the gold dots. However it's impacting about 6" high and 2.5" left from POA using the g21 HD sights.
A 6 o'clock hold was marginally better, but still off as seen here:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/21/unaje9ev.jpg
On a better note, I ran three FAST drills using my g34/35 duty holster and belt.
I turned in a 4.49, 6.34 (fumbled draw and reload), and a 4.73. Overall, I'm very happy with how the gun shoots at speed up close... It's very flat and the HD front makes it easy to track.
Total tonight I shot 300 rounds of ammo doing various drills (250 ball and 50 duty) and no hiccups yet...But of course I won't call it good to go until I hit the 1k mark.
Can you tell us what you paid for it if you don't mind?
$480.00
Range Report 1/20/14
Snip...
I picked up my g41 from our local LE distributor this morning. I immediately ripped off the plastic sights and installed a set of yellow Trijicon HD's for the g21. Not bad at all - about 2.5" avg at 25yds with the gold dots. However it's impacting about 6" high and 2.5" left from POA using the g21 HD sights.
A 6 o'clock hold was marginally better, but still off as seen here:
I am curious about this^
Could your POA/POI be off because you're using sights for a G21 as opposed to sights for a G17/22/34/35?
Since the slide is the same dimensions as the standard frame models I'm wondering if you should be using sights for one of those models instead of the ones for the larger frame maodels.
SamuelBLong
01-21-14, 10:10
I am curious about this^
Could your POA/POI be off because you're using sights for a G21 as opposed to sights for a G17/22/34/35?
Since the slide is the same dimensions as the standard frame models I'm wondering if you should be using sights for one of those models instead of the ones for the larger frame maodels.
I picked the large frame HD's (g20/21) cause the stock g41 plastic factory sights are the same as what glock installs on the gen 4 g21.
All of the 45's and 10's use a different rear than the 9's and 40's, including the 34/35. And the g42 is using the lowest height rear blade that they make.
I ran into a similar issue using warren sights on my 34. Their stock .215 front left the gun about 4" high at 25 and ended up needing to get a taller front - a .245 to get it impacting properly... Of course that was an easy fix since there are multiple companies making front blades that are compatible with the warren rear.
I think the sights are partly off due to the gen4 guns tending to want to shoot high from the get-go, and partly because additional sight radius effectively makes the front sight shorter.
If I find out any additional information from trijicon this morning I'll be sure to report back.
I picked the large frame HD's (g20/21) cause the stock g41 plastic factory sights are the same as what glock installs on the gen 4 g21.
All of the 45's and 10's use a different rear than the 9's and 40's, including the 34/35. And the g42 is using the lowest height rear blade that they make.
I ran into a similar issue using warren sights on my 34. Their stock .215 front left the gun about 4" high at 25 and ended up needing to get a taller front - a .245 to get it impacting properly... Of course that was an easy fix since there are multiple companies making front blades that are compatible with the warren rear.
I think the sights are partly off due to the gen4 guns tending to want to shoot high from the get-go, and partly because additional sight radius effectively makes the front sight shorter.
If I find out any additional information from trijicon this morning I'll be sure to report back.
Ineresting, Thank you.
I've been wanting a .45 Glock for a long time now after shooting a few friends G21's but this one has really piqued my interest. I'm gonna see how it does in the first year and probably get one next year.
The Dumb Gun Collector
01-21-14, 11:50
4.49 FAST drill is a beast with that rig.
Robb Jensen
01-21-14, 12:14
Sorry about the side bar but I am curious as I am not a competition guy, but what is the sense in being able to use a .45 load that is watered down to the point that it recoils as little or less than a 9mm? Doesn't that kinda defeat the intended purpose of design of the weapon / caliber combo?
To get back on track, I have a couple 34's and a 35 that I don't shoot. For some reason I perform better with the 17/22 sized pistols. My Gen4 21 feels about just the right size / weight and shoots well. Gotta try out a 41 but I am quite sure it would just sit with the 34's and the 35.
230gr takes steel down a heck of a lot better than 9mm or .40. If you make a larger whole because you hit near the perf lines in a paper target you're more likely to hit the perf than if you hit it in the same exact place with a 9mm. A perf hit is "in" for scoring. The 21Gen4 41Gen4 frame fits my hand better than the small frames. .45s don't have Gen4 ejection issues. I can reload 21 quicker and easier than a 17/22/34/35 frame. Most people shooting the "Clays" shotgun powder load are pushing a 230gr FMJ at 725fps for a power factor of 166 which makes Major (it's actually a very high pressure load just slow) and it feels like 9mm 147gr Minor and is VERY reliable even it really cold weather.
Any G41 sights in the works from any companies yet?
WickedWillis
01-21-14, 12:44
Any G41 sights in the works from any companies yet?
Won't the G17-22 sights fit? I thought the slide was the same Diameter?
SamuelBLong
01-21-14, 12:47
Any G41 sights in the works from any companies yet?
Ameriglo. Nothing confirmed other than their standard tritium sights yet. Hopefully we will see some CAPs and Pro Operators soon.
No word back from Trijicon yet about the HD sight issue. I'm expecting a callback later today.
245 is working for me
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g219/rocketmanmtb/53e5e2b8fc63c4905bcd7cd56ebe5bb8_zpscdc29b3c.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g219/rocketmanmtb/87e581ab6180270f3994b43154459c1d_zps59b8c3aa.jpg
SamuelBLong
01-21-14, 18:42
245 is working for me
This is good news. My measured correction for a front would put me at .250, so .245 would be acceptable.
Trijicon LE rep's customer service was outstanding. They're going to swap me a taller HD front.
Picked her up today from a LE distributor in Austin. Felt pretty good in my hands and can't wait to get her to the range.
http://i1307.photobucket.com/albums/s591/texasstrong90/IMG_1225_zpscb4b0a09.jpg
Will the correct G41 Trijicon HD set be the same as the 21 or the 34?
SamuelBLong
01-21-14, 20:42
Will the correct G41 Trijicon HD set be the same as the 21 or the 34?
If the height of the front sight for the 17/22 model sights is .245 then those would be the ones to go with...
Which I have now been told you can order .245's from OpticsPlanet .
Rocketman:
You should get the Strike One pistol when it comes out. And let me shoot it :)
Meant to "reply with quote"! See next post.
Wow, just wow. Now we not only hear that the Glock trigger is "as good as they are," but now the Glock trigger is going to kill the 1911, which is LEGENDARY for it's shootability specifically because it has the most shootable trigger on any platform yet built!
Seriously, I don't and wouldn't carry a 1911 for serious purposes anymore, because there are better options out there (and a G21 with this "slim" slide would be one of them!), but, when I absolutely, positively have to show off on the range, or make a critical hit on a VERY difficult target, the 1911 would be my FIRST choice, not my last...
Anyway, here's hoping the G41 is as successful as it sounds like it should be!
Regards,
Kevin
Lol, the Glock trigger is the most highly copied/emulated trigger in recent history. How many double bar single actions do you see? Not many, except, perhaps, for exact copies of the 1911. Not that a 1911 isn't a nice trigger for a target gun, but for serious use pretty much all major players (hell, even Walther and HK!) have had to come out with a trigger with Glock like properties to stay in the market.
Absolutely! The entire 1911 culture have been excitedly awaiting the arrival of a 5" barreled Glock 21... :sarcastic:
I can't imagine that they the "1911 culture" can extract their heads from the sand long enough to excited about anything except perhaps the invention of color TV and Viagra...:sarcastic:
FWIW, my last 1911 is on the market now. Why anyone would choose that heavy, maintenance intensive, feed sensitive, revolver like capacity war relic for anything other than collecting purposes is beyond me.
Psalms144.1
01-26-14, 22:15
Lol, the Glock trigger is the most highly copied/emulated trigger in recent history. How many double bar single actions do you see? Not many, except, perhaps, for expensive to design, build, and copies of the 1911. Not that a 1911 isn't a nice trigger for a target gun, but for serious use pretty much all major players (hell, even Walther and HK!) have had to come out with a trigger with Glock like properties to stay in the market.
You don't see double bar triggers because they're hard to make, and install. The Glock is what it is not because it's the ultimate firearm design, but because it's good enough for neophytes who don't train enough to be able to outshot their pistol, and because it's cheap to build, so Glock can basically give them away to LEAs. Most non shooters looking to buy a gun buy what they see in the local cop's holster.
Again, I only own one 1911, and it's a safe queen. But, it's a 10 times the gun the Glock I carry daily will ever be.
Regards
Spookydude
01-26-14, 22:21
The 41 comes with the "short dash over long dash" rear sight. This is the same rear sight that is used on all the other 45acp Glocks (21, 30, 36). I had stock fixed sights replaced with Glock night sights (using the "short dash over long dash" rear night sight). My point of impact is point of aim. Point of aim is front dot covering target.
I can't imagine that they the "1911 culture" can extract their heads from the sand long enough to excited about anything except perhaps the invention of color TV and Viagra...:sarcastic:
FWIW, my last 1911 is on the market now. Why anyone would choose that heavy, maintenance intensive, feed sensitive, revolver like capacity war relic for anything other than collecting purposes is beyond me.
Still with the Glock vs 1911...
Do you have anything useful to add about the G41?
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I swapped the Warren front on my 41 for a .245 Trijicon HD and did some bill drills yesterday. For THIS gun I may go back to the Warren or a small diameter FO.
Put a surefire X300 on the 41 and you'd have the quintessential duty gun.
I can't imagine that they the "1911 culture" can extract their heads from the sand long enough to excited about anything except perhaps the invention of color TV and Viagra...:sarcastic:
FWIW, my last 1911 is on the market now. Why anyone would choose that heavy, maintenance intensive, feed sensitive, revolver like capacity war relic for anything other than collecting purposes is beyond me.
naive
NCPatrolAR
01-27-14, 06:33
We can move on from the 1911 versus Glock discussion now
I'm intrigued by some of the early adopters and the 25 yard benched groups they are reporting. Tight fitted 1911 levels with good ammo. It doesn't really surprise me vs the precedent other Gen 4's have set in this regard but still. From this junky trigger??? ;)
How much are these going for? I saw one for sale for $750. Eek... creeping up on HK territory. I think USPs are about $800s these days.
WickedWillis
01-27-14, 17:45
How much are these going for? I saw one for sale for $750. Eek... creeping up on HK territory. I think USPs are about $800s these days.
From recently shopping USP's the cheapest one I found was $865 from a local guy. If it's in the USP territory that in my opinion is too high for a Glock as much as I love them.
Psalms144.1
01-27-14, 19:56
Talon - don't succumb to "newness" price gouging. Several places listing the pistols, with a waiting list, at close to the same price as G34/35s. I know LE pricing is VERY attractive...
Regards,
Kevin
GSSF pricing is $507 w/coupon.
That sounds more like it. Thought it would be a few bucks more than a G21...
SeriousStudent
01-27-14, 21:15
GSSF pricing is $507 w/coupon.
Question for you about that. I'm seriously thinking about picking up a G41. Is it the option of the local GSSF dealer, whether or not they honor a GSSF coupon on a particular pistol?
I've done some digging at the GSSF website, and was not able to find anything one way or the other. If you have some data on that, I'd be appreciative.
Thanks very much.
In my experience, as long as a Glock dealer stocks Blue Label LE pistols of the desired model, they have the ability to sell those as GSSF pistols. The problem I was running into, was GSSF pricing had not yet been established by Glock for the G41 and G42. Meaning, although the Blue Labels were available, Dealers didn't know what price to set. Coupons are generic.
However, if a dealer doesn't want to sell you the pistol via GSSF, he could just tell you he is out of LE/Blue Label pistols at the moment.
Commercially marked Glocks are NOT eligible for the GSSF for any reason. For instance, to my knowledge, it was impossible to get a Flat Dark Earth model Glock through GSSF, since they were a special run ordered for commercial sale only through Lipsey's.
Question for you about that. I'm seriously thinking about picking up a G41. Is it the option of the local GSSF dealer, whether or not they honor a GSSF coupon on a particular pistol?
I've done some digging at the GSSF website, and was not able to find anything one way or the other. If you have some data on that, I'd be appreciative.
Thanks very much.
Question for you about that. I'm seriously thinking about picking up a G41. Is it the option of the local GSSF dealer, whether or not they honor a GSSF coupon on a particular pistol?
I've done some digging at the GSSF website, and was not able to find anything one way or the other. If you have some data on that, I'd be appreciative.
Thanks very much.
Glock has an in house GSSF coordinator. Call Smyrna and get it from the horse.
SeriousStudent
01-28-14, 20:55
Vgex2 and ROCKETMAN - thanks very much, I appreciate the scoop.
I'll touch base with the dealer again, perhaps they had not discussed the pricing with that particular employee. If that fails, I'll contact the folks in Georgia.
Thanks again, and stay safe.
SeaSoldier
01-28-14, 22:29
I also picked one of these up today. I have both a Warren and Heinie rear sight in my parts box. Any idea how tall of a front sight I should order?
SamuelBLong
01-28-14, 22:35
I also picked one of these up today. I have both a Warren and Heinie rear sight in my parts box. Any idea how tall of a front sight I should order?
.245 is what is working.
hows the holster situation looking?
I also picked one of these up today. I have both a Warren and Heinie rear sight in my parts box. Any idea how tall of a front sight I should order?
I'd use the Warren rear. This is a .245 HD but I also ran 240 Warren front for a few days
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g219/rocketmanmtb/8172A3B8-1226-4A18-850F-17FC2966B279_zps7jph3e0z.jpg
hows the holster situation looking?
comp tac slide would be an option until the makers catch up
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g219/rocketmanmtb/E27F2E96-B04F-4F80-9C2D-9CD45102BED8_zpsjsg0jz0l.jpg
SeaSoldier
01-29-14, 07:45
Thanks Gents. I ordered this morning.
Dakota Glock Guy
01-29-14, 21:10
I think it would be awesome to hear from somebody that had a Gen 4 Glock 30, 21 and now a 41 chime in and state some differences between the guns. I'm a Glock 30 guy and had a 21 for a while, but don't, as of yet, own a 41.
The big question for me is do I get a 21 or a 41 and why???
Can't answer that for you but hopefully I can soon. I'm going to get the 41.
Dakota Glock Guy
01-29-14, 23:16
Can't answer that for you but hopefully I can soon. I'm going to get the 41.
Awesome! I would love to hear your thoughts when you get it, and I'm sure I'm not alone!
Picked it up today using my GSSF Coupon.
http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt230/Vgex/Free%20Arms/Glock%2041/photo1_zpsabf7015d.jpg
I think it would be awesome to hear from somebody that had a Gen 4 Glock 30, 21 and now a 41 chime in and state some differences between the guns. I'm a Glock 30 guy and had a 21 for a while, but don't, as of yet, own a 41.
The big question for me is do I get a 21 or a 41 and why???
If you have a G30 already I would opt for a G41 over the 21 but thats just me.
Hey I've heard the G41 should fit most G34/35 holsters....has then been confirmed?
SamuelBLong
01-31-14, 13:03
Most kydex holsters yes. I've tested JM Custom AIWB & OWB and Comp Tac.
The safariland ALS holsters work fine.
The only issue I'm aware of is the safariland ALS/SLS combo level 3 holster, and they should have a version that works soon.
I picked up my G-41 yesterday with my GSSF coupon. I have a IWB Milt Sparks Executives Companion for my G-35 and the G-41 fits perfectly. I also have a Safariland 6354DO for my RMR equipped GEN4 G-35 with Surefire X300U and the G-41 fits it also as well as fitting my RMHolsters IWB Low Rider .
Spookydude
01-31-14, 18:21
Most kydex holsters yes. I've tested JM Custom AIWB & OWB and Comp Tac.
The safariland ALS holsters work fine.
The only issue I'm aware of is the safariland ALS/SLS combo level 3 holster, and they should have a version that works soon.
Quoting myself to confirm what SamuelBLong stated:
I tried my 41 in my coworkers Glock 35 sized Safariland 6360, and while it fits and locks on the ALS latch thingy, the back of the slide sticks about 1/4" out of the top of the holster (thus you can't close rotating hood). This is due to the fact that the ALS latches on the breech opening, and the breech opening on the 41 (and the other 45's) is positioned slightly forward when compared with the 35.
So the 41 won't work with the Glock 34/35 Safariland 6360 ALS holster. I've e-mailed Safariland to ask if they have an ETA on a Glock 41 compatible version.
Safariland didn't have an ETA. But I would hope they'd be making one soon as the 41 is an ideal duty/SWAT weapon.
SamuelBLong
01-31-14, 18:30
My info is that they got the G41 pre-shot show to start working on holsters, and the answer I got from Safariland's rep regarding availability was "Soon"... So whatever that means...
Picked it up today using my GSSF Coupon.
http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt230/Vgex/Free%20Arms/Glock%2041/photo1_zpsabf7015d.jpg
So what was the price?
So what was the price?
Pg. 8.
GSSF pricing is $507 w/coupon.
$548.83 including Texas sales tax.
I picked up a G41 a few days ago. I had an OD Green Gen 4 G21 Frame so I swapped it for the black frame. It fits in my G34 holsters, both in a kydex and a Safariland ALS duty holster. I fired 200 rounds through it with various drills out of the holster from touching distance out to 35 yards. It was flawless and accurate with 50 rounds of Win. 230 gr. SXT and 150 rounds of Win. 230 gr. FMJ, and I'm happy with it. Although it'll wear an X300, I took a quick pic without the light attached.
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Ordered one from Scottsdale gun club this week, $518 out the door for blue label pricing. There expecting more in any day for any valley of the sun buyers. I was able to put some rounds through a co workers and it was a smooth shooter. Unfortunately I dipped into the bolt gun fund but I tell myself it will be my new duty gun to make myself feel better.
I picked up a G41 a few days ago. I had an OD Green Gen 4 G21 Frame so I swapped it for the black frame.
That's hawt. I didn't even know they made OD Gen 4 G21s. Hopefully they'll make the 41 in other colors as well.
That's hawt. I didn't even know they made OD Gen 4 G21s. Hopefully they'll make the 41 in other colors as well.
They didn't make many.
Any range reports out there? Issues?
SamuelBLong
02-23-14, 17:52
Nothing more to add from my initial observations at the range I posted a few pages ago.
The gun keeps chugging along and so far no issues other than needing the .245 tall front to get zeroed at 25 with the HD and Warren rears. I'll let y'all know when something breaks.
Added LAV's parts - basepads, mag release and slide stop... they just make it that much nicer.
Shoots very flat at speed.
Spookydude
02-23-14, 19:05
The new slide finish Glock is using is terrible. Any whatever you do, be careful about using your gun to have a custom Kydex holster made. Glock must have thinned the wall thickenss of the magwell, or is using a weaker polymer, because the heat and pressure from being clamped between two hot sheets of kydex caved the magwell in slightly out of spec. The mags are very tight to insert and won't drop free. Luckily, guy making my holster bought the gun from me since he fubared it. Picking up a new 41 next week.
teutonicpolymer
02-23-14, 19:34
The new slide finish Glock is using is terrible. Any whatever you do, be careful about using your gun to have a custom Kydex holster made. Glock must have thinned the wall thickenss of the magwell, or is using a weaker polymer, because the heat and pressure from being clamped between two hot sheets of kydex caved the magwell in slightly out of spec. The mags are very tight to insert and won't drop free. Luckily, guy making my holster bought the gun from me since he fubared it. Picking up a new 41 next week.
The finish is fine - this seems to be a common complaint but it doesn't really have much basis. When you rub it or anything, the new Glock finish gets kind of discolored. Some people think it is rust or something, but once you take an oily cloth to the slide and then wipe the oil off, it looks brand new. I actually prefer the new finish. I have also seen actual holster wear with the Gen 4 slides and it doesn't seem noticeably worse than Gen 3 versions.
You may be right on the magwell- I don't know. The Gen 4 frames do seem thinner than Gen 3 but I don't have data to back that up. I am not sure how a traditional holster can really do much to the magwell though. The arch thing inside the magwell can get burrs on it but I have not seen any real issues with that. If I had to guess I would say that the magazine release flexure popped out a little bit and got wedged between mags, but stayed in enough to allow for some function.
Spookydude
02-24-14, 03:55
The finish is fine - this seems to be a common complaint but it doesn't really have much basis. When you rub it or anything, the new Glock finish gets kind of discolored. Some people think it is rust or something, but once you take an oily cloth to the slide and then wipe the oil off, it looks brand new. I actually prefer the new finish. I have also seen actual holster wear with the Gen 4 slides and it doesn't seem noticeably worse than Gen 3 versions.
You may be right on the magwell- I don't know. The Gen 4 frames do seem thinner than Gen 3 but I don't have data to back that up. I am not sure how a traditional holster can really do much to the magwell though. The arch thing inside the magwell can get burrs on it but I have not seen any real issues with that. If I had to guess I would say that the magazine release flexure popped out a little bit and got wedged between mags, but stayed in enough to allow for some function.
I already have permanent scratches on my new G41 and G30S (produced Dec 13) just from holstering/unholstering a dozen times. My G22 (produced early 02) and G21 (mid 12 production) has the shiny teflon finish and has been holstered/unholstered hundreds of times and has almost zero noticeble wear. The front corners are a little shinier, but no scratches. I am as big a Glock fanboy as the next guy, but you're smoking crack if you think the new flat parkerized finish is as good as the old shiny teflon one.
As to the magwell. The whole magwell is out of spec. When using a gun to make a custom kydex holster, you use the gun as a mold. You put the gun in between two hot sheets of raw kydex, and put it a sandwich press looking thing to mold the kydex to the shape of the gun. Under the heat and pressure, the magwell got smushed and the whole thing was too narrow in the middle the entire height of the magwell.
I already have permanent scratches on my new G41 and G30S (produced Dec 13) just from holstering/unholstering a dozen times. My G22 (produced early 02) and G21 (mid 12 production) has the shiny teflon finish and has been holstered/unholstered hundreds of times and has almost zero noticeble wear. The front corners are a little shinier, but no scratches. I am as big a Glock fanboy as the next guy, but you're smoking crack if you think the new flat parkerized finish is as good as the old shiny teflon one.
As to the magwell. The whole magwell is out of spec. When using a gun to make a custom kydex holster, you use the gun as a mold. You put the gun in between two hot sheets of raw kydex, and put it a sandwich press looking thing to mold the kydex to the shape of the gun. Under the heat and pressure, the magwell got smushed and the whole thing was too narrow in the middle the entire height of the magwell.
So you took a polymer frame, applied heat and then compressed the frame.
And then you are complaining that it got thinner?
Spookydude
02-24-14, 09:15
So you took a polymer frame, applied heat and then compressed the frame.
And then you are complaining that it got thinner?
Well, I didn't, the holster maker did. Gen 3's and many other guns do fine with the process (guy has a Gen 3 he's pressed dozens of time with no problem). You're not really applying heat to the frame, but obviously the frame is in contact with hot (about 200 deg from what I understand) sheets of Kydex. There is an empty mag in the the magwell when they press it to provide support to the frame, but apparently the Gen 4 frames don't like the process.
See this thread if you want a more in-depth explanation of the holster making process:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?64714-How-to-make-a-Kydex-holster-Picture-Tutorial
Well, I didn't, the holster maker did. Gen 3's and many other guns do fine with the process (guy has a Gen 3 he's pressed dozens of time with no problem). You're not really applying heat to the frame, but obviously the frame is in contact with hot (about 200 deg from what I understand) sheets of Kydex. There is an empty mag in the the magwell when they press it to provide support to the frame, but apparently the Gen 4 frames don't like the process.
See this thread if you want a more in-depth explanation of the holster making process:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?64714-How-to-make-a-Kydex-holster-Picture-Tutorial
I make holsters part time. I know how it works.
Shame the G42 holster model I have hasn't had any of this happen.
The finish is fine - this seems to be a common complaint but it doesn't really have much basis. When you rub it or anything, the new Glock finish gets kind of discolored. Some people think it is rust or something, but once you take an oily cloth to the slide and then wipe the oil off, it looks brand new.
I disagree. I think the new finish is crap. Deep scratches down to silver metal on my matte gray finished Gen 4 after the first draw from a RCS Phantom. After a few hundred draws it is far and away more worn down than my older Gen 3 that's been draw thousands of times from the same holster and carried daily for 5 years. I'd say that's some basis for a complaint.
Whatever, it's a tool, yeah yeah...doesn't mean I have to put on my blinders and pretend they didn't take a step backwards. I love Glocks and I won't quit buying them. Really thinking about picking up a 41. The new finish is still shitty compared to the old though.
teutonicpolymer
02-25-14, 20:35
I disagree. I think the new finish is crap. Deep scratches down to silver metal on my matte gray finished Gen 4 after the first draw from a RCS Phantom. After a few hundred draws it is far and away more worn down than my older Gen 3 that's been draw thousands of times from the same holster and carried daily for 5 years. I'd say that's some basis for a complaint.
Whatever, it's a tool, yeah yeah...doesn't mean I have to put on my blinders and pretend they didn't take a step backwards. I love Glocks and I won't quit buying them. Really thinking about picking up a 41. The new finish is still shitty compared to the old though.
It could be that I am using a different type of holster (several Safariland ALS's and IWB leather-kydex hybrid's) but I do not have any issues like that from numerous draws and reholsterings, or I could just be lucky. I imagine these holsters are looser than full kydex ones like RCS.
In summary, new finish has been good for me but who am I to tell someone else what they are or are not experiencing.
SamuelBLong
02-25-14, 23:31
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/26/e3agetyh.jpg
I agree the finish does wear easier than the previous type coating. This from a day at the range in the ALS.
But I suppose that's why they make spray on & bake on coatings if you get upset at that kind of thing.
teutonicpolymer
02-25-14, 23:42
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/26/e3agetyh.jpg
I agree the finish does wear easier than the previous type coating. This from a day at the range in the ALS.
But I suppose that's why they make spray on & bake on coatings if you get upset at that kind of thing.
I am honestly surprised by all the people having such bad finish problems. Did you by chance increase the tension on the ALS locking piece? I have not messed with mine as they have been good to go out of the box so I don't know how tight they can get, but it looks like the ejection port locking piece might be what is rubbing the finish off.
These posts are sadly making me rethink getting a Glock 41.
I am honestly surprised by all the people having such bad finish problems. Did you by chance increase the tension on the ALS locking piece? I have not messed with mine as they have been good to go out of the box so I don't know how tight they can get, but it looks like the ejection port locking piece might be what is rubbing the finish off.
These posts are sadly making me rethink getting a Glock 41.
We were issued our new 21's last week to replace our 13 year old 21C's. I haven't altered the tension on my ALS duty or off duty holsters and the finish is already like the photo posted above if not a little more noticeable. On my 21C, the wear from the ALS is actually barely noticeable.
Spookydude
02-26-14, 02:37
I am honestly surprised by all the people having such bad finish problems. Did you by chance increase the tension on the ALS locking piece? I have not messed with mine as they have been good to go out of the box so I don't know how tight they can get, but it looks like the ejection port locking piece might be what is rubbing the finish off.
These posts are sadly making me rethink getting a Glock 41.
Wait, do you not have a 41 yet? If not, what model Glock do you have and what's the approx production date?
I already have permanent scratches on my new G41 and G30S (produced Dec 13) just from holstering/unholstering a dozen times. My G22 (produced early 02) and G21 (mid 12 production) has the shiny teflon finish and has been holstered/unholstered hundreds of times and has almost zero noticeble wear. The front corners are a little shinier, but no scratches. I am as big a Glock fanboy as the next guy, but you're smoking crack if you think the new flat parkerized finish is as good as the old shiny teflon one.
As to the magwell. The whole magwell is out of spec. When using a gun to make a custom kydex holster, you use the gun as a mold. You put the gun in between two hot sheets of raw kydex, and put it a sandwich press looking thing to mold the kydex to the shape of the gun. Under the heat and pressure, the magwell got smushed and the whole thing was too narrow in the middle the entire height of the magwell.
The finish process has changed some over the years since Glock dropped the Tenifer finish. Parkerized? Teflon? Neither are true. The magwell wall dimensions haven't changed either. If you sandwich the frame between two hot pieces of Kydex or anything else for that matter don't be surprised if you alter the frame. I don't understand why you would wrap the magwell in hot kydex anyway. Likely over heated the kydex or stuck the gun in the oven with it.
I like the new finish on gen4 Glocks, and have found it to show less wear over time even with greater use than previous finish formulations. I have gen4s with higher round counts and more holster presentations than previous generations, but show substantially less wear.
The ALS holsters are hard on gun finishes regardless of brand, and the wear pattern pictured above is common. (You can often tell what duty holster a LE gun is carried in.) For the fairest comparison, take two new Glocks of different finish versions and give them equal amounts of holster presentations.
Spookydude
03-02-14, 23:23
From what I can tell, all Glocks (both gen 3 and 4) made in the last few months have the new flat finish that scratches easily. My 2002 produced Gen 3 has a shiny smooth black finish that has almost no wear (duty weapon for the last 10 years with probably over a thousand draws). My 2012 produced Gen 3 has a shiny dark gray finish with an orange peel like texture that has zero wear (duty weapon for the last 2 years with a couple hundred draws from an ALS holster). The new finish is not even close to the durability of previous finishes.
Why would they change there finish?
Spookydude
03-02-14, 23:38
Nobody knows but Glock. People have speculated that the finish was changed to a flatter finish to meet customer demands (or perhaps a large government order that spec'd out for a flat "mil-spec" type finish). Some have said it's a cost cutting measure. I have no idea what the reason is, but the finish is definitely different, and definitely not as durable.
Nobody knows but Glock. People have speculated that the finish was changed to a flatter finish to meet customer demands (or perhaps a large government order that spec'd out for a flat "mil-spec" type finish). Some have said it's a cost cutting measure. I have no idea what the reason is, but the finish is definitely different, and definitely not as durable.
Spray paint does wonders ha ha :)
Wreckingball911
03-04-14, 15:14
My Google-fu is lacking...does anyone have a picture of a g41 with a tlr1 mounted?
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My Google-fu is lacking...does anyone have a picture of a g41 with a tlr1 mounted?
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Best I could find...
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My Google-fu is lacking...does anyone have a picture of a g41 with a tlr1 mounted?
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Just took one for you:
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q116/bridoyal/P1030649_zps1fc8c61b.jpg
Wreckingball911
03-04-14, 19:18
Awesome, thanks guys. This just got bumped to the top of my to buy list. Definitely can't hurt to have a few spare mags for my issued g21 too!
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