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....... for those who've lived there.
The wife and I watch a lot of Brit tv on BBC. Am always amazed at how often they show the perps complying with the unarmed LEOs.
Are the brits - even the bad guys - really that compliant????
john
Disobedience to a Constable is not tolerated in European nations.
you are watching a show ?
of course they will make it look like that :)
see we don't need guns even our criminals are polite :)
kinda like watching shows here :) its always the conservatives that are bad and gays are %40 of the population :)
wifes half of the family is from UK criminals are IMHO even worse for getting away over there than here
....... for those who've lived there.
The wife and I watch a lot of Brit tv on BBC. Am always amazed at how often they show the perps complying with the unarmed LEOs.
Are the brits - even the bad guys - really that compliant????
john
UK has one of hype highest rates of violent crime in western society.
The BBC is state owned and left slanted. Of course they want to have it appear that unarmed police are effective and everyone is compliant. The reality is that criminals are criminals worldwide. I can relay a few things from my own experience: At work we have Thames Valley Police as a customer. At a training seminar, I started talking guns with a customer and asked about the unarmed traditional British "Bobby" and how effective they are today. I first got a laugh about that as the "good old days" before all the Eastern European and South Asian gangs, then was told that more and more police are now armed in the UK, and they project that most urban police will be armed in the near future. Crime is a big problem and they know that the criminals don't obey gun bans. I can also recall a time from my youth and getting in a bar fight in London. After being thrown out of the bar, I was told by two constables to wait where I was so they can get a magistrate's order to arrest me. Being young, dumb, and drunk - of course I just ran away, then passed out on an Underground car and woke up near Highbury with all of Pakistan going to work the next day.
The British do have a sense of humor about policing. One of my good friend's uncles was convicted of hooliganism in Glasgow in the '80's and was given the choice between prison or working for the RUC. He chose the RUC and found that his background wasn't too unusual there.
Moose-Knuckle
01-06-14, 02:14
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^Gotta be airsoft!
Joke...
Disobedience to a Constable is not tolerated in European nations.
All the beat cops in Germany and the Netherlands I've seen had pistols...
H
Remember when the unarmed guy was shot by cops and parts of London became unglued??? The articles that I read stated that some of the Police just stayed out of the way as violence increased. Police are not bodyguards and are typically outgunned and outnumbered in a society.
Failure2Stop
01-06-14, 07:18
I lived in the UK for almost 3 years a few years ago.
Worked with quite a few cops at the London Firearms Division.
Some good folks out there doing good work that are not recognized by the media.
Anyway, also dealt with the "average" unarmed cops.
They were not at all hesitant to employ pepper spray to gain compliance.
Then again, I'd estimate that 80% of detentions/arrests were with non-violent individuals.
Out of the remaining 20%, 95% were subdued with pepperspray/overwhelming force.
The last 5% were more problematic.
Just where I'd love to live.... a place where Cops have MP5/7s and the Citizenry have basically nothing. Awesome.
Eurodriver
01-06-14, 10:26
The last 5% were more problematic.
I'm detecting a large dose of understatement here.
My best friend travels Europe a lot for work. He said London is crime ridden and the thugs have zero respect for the police there. He has witnessed the criminals act around the cops there to a degree that US cops "would have beat their ass and taken them to jail".
I was talking with a retired London officer a few years ago who moved to Phoenix after retirement. He had a story of an armed robbery at a store. The police got in a police chase with the suspects back to their house where the suspects ran inside and locked the door. They brought out a "tactical team" who tried communicating usuccessfully with the suspects for a few hours. The police then used a bomb robot to place a letter on the door step for the suspects to speak with the police at a later time. Everyone then left.
....... for those who've lived there.
The wife and I watch a lot of Brit tv on BBC. Am always amazed at how often they show the perps complying with the unarmed LEOs.
Are the brits - even the bad guys - really that compliant????
john
CHiP's was the same way. They never had to fight or tussel with the bad guys. Ponch or John woould just put a hand on the bad guys shoulder and tell them they were under arrest. The bad guy would become instantly remorseful even after just shooting at John or Ponch...
Remember, it is TV. Real life is rarely "as seen on TV."
Go to YouTube and enter "UK fights with police", here is some food for thought:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XE-l4P_6zE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYGAe3rXCNI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pksB5y-jj4U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiyPTuek7mQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6rlEeOyGc4
It seems to me that in the US you would get max stick time and taser right off the bat. Or shot...
justin_247
01-06-14, 12:47
Just where I'd love to live.... a place where Cops have MP5/7s and the Citizenry have basically nothing. Awesome.
Having lived in England for several years and also visited there several times, I have spoken with many British LEOs.
The vast, vast majority of LEOs there are unarmed. Most police stations have dedicated Firearms Units that are called out for cases where there is a high likelihood of a firearm being used or if there is a severe crime taking place that requires them. When you see pictures of heavily armed LEOs like the ones seen above, they are usually pictures of LEOs assigned around the parliament, various government buildings, and the financial district of London... you can walk right up to them and ask them all kinds of questions, and they are more than happy to chat with you about their roles and responsibilities.
On the other hand, my experiences with American LEOs who are similarly armed has been pretty negative, since they act like it is beneath them to speak with me.
justin_247
01-06-14, 12:49
My best friend travels Europe a lot for work. He said London is crime ridden and the thugs have zero respect for the police there. He has witnessed the criminals act around the cops there to a degree that US cops "would have beat their ass and taken them to jail".
Yes, there are a TON of thugs in England, especially in London and places like Manchester. Mostly white dudes... "chavs."
Having lived in England for several years and also visited there several times, I have spoken with many British LEOs.
The vast, vast majority of LEOs there are unarmed. Most police stations have dedicated Firearms Units that are called out for cases where there is a high likelihood of a firearm being used or if there is a severe crime taking place that requires them. When you see pictures of heavily armed LEOs like the ones seen above, they are usually pictures of LEOs assigned around the parliament, various government buildings, and the financial district of London... you can walk right up to them and ask them all kinds of questions, and they are more than happy to chat with you about their roles and responsibilities.
On the other hand, my experiences with American LEOs who are similarly armed has been pretty negative, since they act like it is beneath them to speak with me.
Ah gotcha. Interesting perspective, sir.
Having lived in England for several years and also visited there several times, I have spoken with many British LEOs.
The vast, vast majority of LEOs there are unarmed. Most police stations have dedicated Firearms Units that are called out for cases where there is a high likelihood of a firearm being used or if there is a severe crime taking place that requires them. When you see pictures of heavily armed LEOs like the ones seen above, they are usually pictures of LEOs assigned around the parliament, various government buildings, and the financial district of London... you can walk right up to them and ask them all kinds of questions, and they are more than happy to chat with you about their roles and responsibilities.
On the other hand, my experiences with American LEOs who are similarly armed has been pretty negative, since they act like it is beneath them to speak with me.
What have you seen of the Flying Squads? Are they less visible to the general public?
justin_247
01-06-14, 17:48
What have you seen of the Flying Squads? Are they less visible to the general public?
Sorry, but I didn't actually live in London, so I never saw them. I'm sure they are a very capable and professional unit.
Sorry, but I didn't actually live in London, so I never saw them. I'm sure they are a very capable and professional unit.
I have only been to London briefly on two occasions. The Constables were friendly and helpful when approached if they were not involved in something at the time.
The average U.S. LEO does not have ready access to a Flying Squad, so they have to carry equipment to deal with a situation. That should have no effect on being friendly when approached while they are not busy. I am sorry to hear about your negative experiences with U.S. LEO.
I have only been to London briefly on two occasions. The Constables were friendly and helpful when approached if they were not involved in something at the time.
The average U.S. LEO does not have ready access to a Flying Squad, so they have to carry equipment to deal with a situation. That should have no effect on being friendly when approached while they are not busy. I am sorry to hear about your negative experiences with U.S. LEO.
This pic comes to mind: 22553
justin_247
01-06-14, 18:17
I have only been to London briefly on two occasions. The Constables were friendly and helpful when approached if they were not involved in something at the time.
The average U.S. LEO does not have ready access to a Flying Squad, so they have to carry equipment to deal with a situation. That should have no effect on being friendly when approached while they are not busy. I am sorry to hear about your negative experiences with U.S. LEO.
Let me briefly clarify what I said. It's not necessarily that the experiences were negative, it's just that they acted as if they didn't have any time for me when I approached them in the same manner that I approached the Brits. Other than simply asking armed LEOs questions, I have been pulled over a few times for not obeying the speed limit and was treated with the utmost respect and professionalism. I also worked with local LEOs here in CA for a large charity event, and they were truly awesome.
This pic comes to mind: 22553
I will see you that and raise you a police medic. We are talking Brits after all.
22554
sandman99and9
01-06-14, 20:21
I will see you that and raise you a police medic. We are talking Brits after all.
22554
Oh man, I love that pic :)
S.M.
Off topic, but that high see-through Aimpoint mount on the MP7 looks awkward and badly thought out, resulting in an absurdly unnecessary height over bore:
HK MP7
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