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TOTAL GAME CHANGER!:dance3:
http://flir.com/flirone/img/hand-thermal-imaging-phone.png
http://flir.com/flirone/#case-2
At less than $350,will have to check these out at the Shot Show!http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif
http://flir.com/flirone/press/assets/Discover/FLIR%20ONE_Fast%20Facts+Tech%20Specs_FINAL.pdf
They will be making one for Androids later on in 2014 after the I-Phone 5 model is released for less than $350 using the new FLIR Lepton core which has a sensitivity ability to detect temperature differences as small as 0.18 °F (0.1°C) :
http://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/flir-systems-introduces-revolutionary-low-130000403.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20140107-905423.html
http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/FLIR/2881871553x0x716724/7424a1f6-d056-4d9f-a927-2efc72ce4ece/FLIR_News_2014_1_7_General_Releases.pdf
It pays to be a FLIR Shareholder!!
FLIR ONE, Don't Leave Home Without It
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUq87-DtfUM
Now we just need an iPhone holder attachment for an AR...
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Mine fits right onto my ACOGs and ELCANs
So why are weapon mounted IR devices so expensive again?
So why are weapon mounted IR devices so expensive again?
You mean these?
http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20T50/SIG%20716%20T50.jpg
http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20T60/Young%20Coyote/Young%20Coyote2.jpg
http://www.phossil.com/thom/SIG%20716%20Precision/SIG%20716%20Precision%20FLIR%20T70.jpg
Yep.
If FLIR makes an IR device for $350... add maybe another $350 for a bigger housing with rail interface and battery compartment for a AA or CR-123 or something, and they wouldn't be able to make them fast enough. Currently IR (thermal) optics are in the $10k price range!
I'm sure the glass has something to do with it. Same difference between a smart phone camera (fraction of $600 price) and a decent DSLR (thousands). Throw in fine adjustments required for shooting optics, etc and I can see why they're 30x the price.
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The lens is made out of pure elemental germanium, (which is a rare earth element) since glass does NOT pass long wave IR.
Germanium is 1/2+ the cost of a thermal weapon scope.
I'm sure the glass has something to do with it. Same difference between a smart phone camera (fraction of $600 price) and a decent DSLR (thousands). Throw in fine adjustments required for shooting optics, etc and I can see why they're 30x the price.
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That's a completely different operating system though. A better comparison would be a smart phone camera and a point-and-shoot camera.
As far as I know, a small FLIR thermal imager works the exact same way as a large FLIR thermal imager.
The lens is made out of pure elemental germanium, (which is a rare earth element) since glass does NOT pass long wave IR.
Germanium is 1/2+ the cost of a thermal weapon scope.
That makes sense. However, why can't something like (but obviously not exactly) the product in the OP be used for a weapon thermal optic? Not enough resolution? Not enough FOV?
That's a completely different operating system though. A better comparison would be a smart phone camera and a point-and-shoot camera.
As far as I know, a small FLIR thermal imager works the exact same way as a large FLIR thermal imager.
I agree somewhat, but the quality of the optic has to be considerably better when you jump from a smart phone gimic device to a full fledged precision optic.
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The pixel size of the microbolometer and the diameter of the germanium lens are the determiners of how much resolution and range you will get from a long wave thermal sensing instrument.
For instance, my FLIR T-60 has a 640X480 pixel 25 micron microbolometer with a 60mm germanium lens and is a high resolution device designed about four years ago on mil contract for SOCOM.
My FLIR T-70, is also a SOCOM mil contract device and it has a 640X512 pixel 17 micron microbolometer with a 35mm germanium lens that was designed one year ago.
The functional resolution of the two instruments is pretty much similar because the tighter pixel microbolometer of the T-70 can be used with a smaller (less expensive) germanium lens system, thereby saving money on the germanium.
I just shot this coyote at 225 yards last night with the T-70 and SIG Precision 7.62mm at 225 yards in pitch dark:
http://www.phossil.com/thom/SIG%20716%20Precision/Another%20225%20Yard%20Dog/Another%20225%20Yard%20Dog%20Front.jpg
superstratjunky
01-07-14, 13:39
That's a completely different operating system though. A better comparison would be a smart phone camera and a point-and-shoot camera.
As far as I know, a small FLIR thermal imager works the exact same way as a large FLIR thermal imager.
That makes sense. However, why can't something like (but obviously not exactly) the product in the OP be used for a weapon thermal optic? Not enough resolution? Not enough FOV?That is why. If we {Nutz with guns} have this technology, then we'd be a little more of a problem. Put it on an iPhone & it wouldn't last long enough. How many of you have an old video camera laying around with a IR NV function? I've got an old Sony & would love to figure out how to get the guts to work with an AR. But keep it expensive & only a handful will be able to buy it.
Interesting how 640x480 is considered high resolution. That's the resolution equivalent of a 0.3 megapixel camera.
I'm hoping the new technology developed to create the FLIR ONE trickles down to the smaller weapon optics market and allows much cheaper yet equally as robust and feature-rich devices.
If not, you might see a kickstarter project by me in the future...
The military has some new 1,280 microbolometer cores, but they are way way way expensive.....
Here is a shot of the real time image at the CES show in Vegas though the FLIR I-Phone:
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19bu5wla39s9ejpg/original.jpg
How does it compare to your weapon mounted FLIR optics besides magnification of course.
Skypup, question for you. Could you use this device to locate a varmint and then switch to nods and IR laser for the shooting part. How far out do you think this device could pick up heat?
C4
Skypup, question for you. Could you use this device to locate a varmint and then switch to nods and IR laser for the shooting part. How far out do you think this device could pick up heat?
C4
Yes, you certainly could, you could also use it to detect a criminal prowler on your property too, I would assume it will pick up a man, hog, or coyote past 100 yards as my FLIR Thermal weapon sights work well past 600 meters for detection. As a weapon sight mounted onto the objective of an ACOG, I would think you could shoot out to 100 yards with it too, after careful ID at night with NV though.
This microbolometer is new technology in this device, it use BOTH the internal Apple visible camera AND the FLIR thermal microbolometer to take an image and then the microprocessor co-mingles them together for higher resolution that what would normally be possible using patented software alogrithims.
This is the view though one of my TAO2LED 4X ACOGs using the I-Phone adapter for the ACOG objective and looking through the FLIR T-60 thermal weapon sight at night at 175 yards in dense fog:
http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/ACOG%20TO2/Red%20Reticule%20175%20Yards%20T60.jpg
Here is a similar view through my FLIR T-70 at night:
http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20T70/ACOG%20Gray.jpg
http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20T70/ACOG%20Color.jpg
http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20T70/T70%20Coyote2/RAIN%201X.jpg
Leaveammoforme
01-07-14, 16:53
Neat idea for a toy but as fast as phones come & go I cant see it being worth it. Not to mention how well touch screens work in less than ideal environments when a thermal device would be useful.
Hot Holster
01-07-14, 17:28
What a lousy time to have signed a contract with a 4S. I wonder if they will adapt or come out with one that will work with the 4S?
Neat idea for a toy but as fast as phones come & go I cant see it being worth it. Not to mention how well touch screens work in less than ideal environments when a thermal device would be useful.
I purchased another 40 shares of FLIR this morning and up 15% at market close.
Their Personal Vision systems is also releasing a new consumer sporting goods (not their Government Systems Military Contract division where I got all my thermal weapons scopes from) thermal weapon scope base on the LE-64 law enforcement hand scanning device. Will scope this out at Shot Show next week...
In five days, FLIR is coming out with a new thermal weapon scope specifically designed for the consumer night hunting sporting goods crowd, not the military. It is 100% FLIR and made in the USA and should be absolutely dynomite:
http://flir.com/thermoSightR-Series/
Waaay too cool... In concept.
I'll be waiting for a few field reports. If this thing does what I think it might, I'll be getting one. The wife and I take our after supper walks bordering a golf course. It will be nice to peek out there and see what kind of critters or dirtbags are lurking around.
Very cool. Keep in mind that even when you upgrade out of an iPhone 5 or 5s, this can still be used. The phone doesn't have to have active service in order to function.
Here is an excellent review of how it works:
http://blog.ivytools.com/2014/01/08/hands-on-review-flir-one-iphone-infrared-camera/
FLIR also has more expensive prototype iPhone thermal cases which make use of the larger (more expensive) Quark camera core, a tiny 0.75” cube with great resolution and low power requirements.
The FLIR Quark core is available in resolutions of 320 x 240 and 640 x 480, with a sensitivity of 0.05 ºC or 50 mK. The Quark can be configured with a wide variety of lenses, including 6.3mm, 9mm, 13mm, 14mm, 17mm, 19mm, 25mm, and a 35mm telephoto lens. Frame rates vary from a full 60 Hz down to an export ready 7.5 Hz.
The more expensive prototype iPhone infrared camera attachment has been exhibited with both a 9mm and a 13mm lens.
With the 9mm lens and 640 x 480 Quark core resolution, the prototype is able to detect a person at over 800 ft (250m).
But with the available 35mm lens, the sled has the potential to see a person at over 3000 ft (940m), or a warm vehicle at over a mile and a half away. The FLIR iPhone sled concept operates on a lower frame rate of 9 Hz to save power.
Voodoo_Man
01-09-14, 12:14
Didn't see anyone post this (maybe I missed it) any Android support eventually?
Android coming later on this year, I-Phone is an easier platform to design for since only one model whilst many platform sizes for Android...
Voodoo_Man
01-09-14, 17:46
Android coming later on this year, I-Phone is an easier platform to design for since only one model whilst many platform sizes for Android...
Got it.
LMK if you need LE T&E, this is seriously something I would use almost every day at work.
Ouroborous
01-13-14, 12:42
In five days, FLIR is coming out with a new thermal weapon scope specifically designed for the consumer night hunting sporting goods crowd, not the military. It is 100% FLIR and made in the USA and should be absolutely dynomite:
http://flir.com/thermoSightR-Series/
Up periscope. Announcement has been made.
FLIR Government Systems is working on finishing up the T-70 units contracted for the US Military and later on this coming Spring they will have an upgrade program for current T-70 users to upgrade their units to the T-75 working instrument via a new 100mm germanium lens system and new software (internal digital magnification of 1.0, 2.0 and 4.0 on the T-75 upgrade).
I was able to look through a working T-75 at the Shot Show at the FLIR Government Systems booth and after having used the T-70 quite a bit, I was very impressed with the increased range, resolution, and magnification of the T-75 unit with minimal loss of FOV with the big lens system.
Here they are side by side:
http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20T75/FLIR%20T75%20&%20T70.jpg
Here is the T-75 from the side:
http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20T75/T75%20Side.jpg
And the monster long range front lens:
http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20T75/T75%20Front.jpg
I don't if there's a practical/tactical use for it, but the cool factor is a 10/10. Me wants.
SpeedRacer
01-18-14, 18:23
Got to play with the iPhone system at SHOT, I was incredibly impressed. I was expecting something of a toy/party favor, but was blown away by the quality and capabilities. Very, very cool.
Looks cool. I bet this works better than the $2000 Ideal camera that we just bought at work that has less than 50x50 resolution.
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Will be recieving soon. I haven't seen through it, but everything I have seen and read makes it perfect for what I want it to do.
I know I have seen an optic mount for the iPhone 5 here, but I cannot remember what it is called or who makes it. Anyone remember...
I predict a lot of rifles rigged up with smart phones in the not so distant future.
Kind of cute for what it is, but I don't play with little kid toys :D I'm guessing that resolution is going to be pretty bad past 50' or so. Neat idea though.
23108
For $350, absolutely beat it anywhere.
Got to play with the iPhone system at SHOT, I was incredibly impressed. I was expecting something of a toy/party favor, but was blown away by the quality and capabilities. Very, very cool.
Same here....
Would this actually work through a scope? I'd think that it would pick up the temp of the glass and not the objects seen through it but I could be wrong. My buddy pre-ordered one so we can check it out. I'll probably get one anyway once I upgrade my phone.
New FLIR ONE thermal images and videos:
http://www.flir.com/flirone/gallery/Thermal_Visualization/pet_night.jpg
http://www.flir.com/flirone/gallery/Thermal_Visualization/parked_vehicle.jpg
]http://www.flir.com/flirone/gallery/
Would this actually work through a scope? I'd think that it would pick up the temp of the glass and not the objects seen through it but I could be wrong. My buddy pre-ordered one so we can check it out. I'll probably get one anyway once I upgrade my phone.
Long Wave Infrared is blocked by regular glass, ie you cannot look out a window and see what is outside your house, so no, no long wave thermal device will see though a glass optic scope, that is why they have germanium lenses.
chastain11
02-10-14, 19:26
I would buy something like this.
I am humbly asking my question(s) because I am new here and new to all these fancy whiz bang gadgets. I want to learn everything I can. Can someone give me a dumbed down version of how these work? Not so much the science behind it (although, I'd like to know that too, but I have pretty good google-fu) but what does one need to set up your weapon system? For example, like SkyPup has to shoot coyotes at night. What in all parts does he actually need on his weapon to build the complete night hunter system? Can someone show pics/examples of each part? Or is it just the one housed IR unit?
I guess I'm confused by the FLIR boxes (little box about the size of a pack of cigarettes) mounted on some weapons I see.
Thanks to all, I can't get over the knowledge here...
That is really cool! If one of these comes out for android I will probably go for it. Little expensive for a toy, but it will be useful as hell at work.
I'm in for one as well. There are many uses I can come up with to own one. Waiting on the android version
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Skypup,
Any update on when the Flir One will be released? I know they were talking about Q1, but any new news on this?
Current release date is late May-early June.
FromMyColdDeadHand
04-26-14, 18:29
Interesting how 640x480 is considered high resolution. That's the resolution equivalent of a 0.3 megapixel camera.
I'm hoping the new technology developed to create the FLIR ONE trickles down to the smaller weapon optics market and allows much cheaper yet equally as robust and feature-rich devices.
If not, you might see a kickstarter project by me in the future...
I thought the same thing about the resolution, but while more res would be great, you really don't need high res for most applications. That is where the hybrid vis-FLIR image on the screen is so interesting. You can discern the shape of things in the image, but the FLIR fills in the heat info. More pixels would be great, but not really needed.
Skypup,
Any update on when the Flir One will be released? I know they were talking about Q1, but any new news on this?
Pretty much after the stop making iphone 5 models. They are getting pretty pestered on their Facebook page. Rolling something out in January and not having it until June isn't normal in the electronics markets.
I'm on the hook for one, whenever they come out.
Ouroborous
07-22-14, 10:16
It's out for iphone 5/5s pre-order as of today!
haha, I know, I already ordered and paid for mine!
It's out for iphone 5/5s pre-order as of today!
But what about the 6's now damnit! We're going to be living in an iPhone 6 world in a few months!
Ouroborous
07-22-14, 22:43
But what about the 6's now damnit! We're going to be living in an iPhone 6 world in a few months!
Really? That's news to me!
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As far as I know the 4.7 size is due out around September and the 5.5 has been pushed back several times to the point of December or first part of 2015.
FromMyColdDeadHand
07-23-14, 01:23
It's out for iphone 5/5s pre-order as of today!
Now that pisses me off. I've been on their mailing list since the beginning and I never heard 'Booo' from them. I actually wanted to use one in a building materials conference I was presenting at and I contacted them a couple of times and never heard back.
It looks cool as hell. I'll believe it when it gets to my door and works.
Leaveammoforme
07-23-14, 01:54
I guess I'm confused by the FLIR boxes (little box about the size of a pack of cigarettes) mounted on some weapons ...
You talking about a DBAL?
http://www.opticsplanet.com/laser-devices-dbal-i2-dual-beam-laser-infrared-laser-and-visible-red-laser.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=plusbox-beta&gclid=CNyruLvr2r8CFUcV7AodcSYAFQ
That is an IR laser that only someone with NV can see. Or you may have seen kill lights or IR floods.
A thermal set up will run you some major coin.
Leaveammoforme
07-23-14, 01:55
Double tap
As far as I know the 4.7 size is due out around September and the 5.5 has been pushed back several times to the point of December or first part of 2015.
2015? really? that sucks.
2015? really? that sucks.
All I know is what two US Cellular offices told me.
Available August 7th. I can't wait to try it out in conjunction with NV.
All I know is what two US Cellular offices told me.
http://www.macrumors.com/2014/07/23/iphone-mid-september-iphone-event/
Did a little digging. Looks like a lot of rumors confirming the December launch of the 5.5 inch "iPad killer"
So, has anyone bought and played with the FLIR for iPhone and if so what are your thoughts?
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Mike
So, has anyone bought and played with the FLIR for iPhone and if so what are your thoughts?
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Mike
For a 60X80 microbolometer it works great!
http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FlirOne/First%20Hog/First%20Hog%20Iron.JPG
http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FlirOne/First%20Hog/First%20Hog%20Rainbow.JPG
http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FlirOne/Hondini2.JPG
http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20T75/T75%20Sow/T75%20SOW%20FLIRONE.jpg
http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FlirOne/Hogs/image.jpeg
http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FlirOne/Hogs/image2.jpeg
http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FlirOne/Hogs/image4.jpeg
http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20T75/T75%20Powerline%20Two%20Hogs/2%20FLIRONE%20Boars.jpeg
http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20T75/T75%20Boar%20Hog/FLIRONE.jpg
Anyone besides SkyPup (no offense)?
Outlander Systems
09-01-14, 17:54
Anyone besides SkyPup (no offense)?
FLIR One to Skypup is like Delton to Rob Sloyer.
That did not help.
If someone has first hand knowledge I would like to know things like battery life of your iPhone while you are using this system? Do you leave it on your phone all the time? If so how much bulk/weight does it add? How do you use it?
I would be looking at it for business purposes (construction) as well as personal (security for home/travel).
Thanks
So nobody other than SkyPup owns or has used one for more than a few hours? I guess, I like you, will wait until the jury comes back. I just hope it is a jury of my peers and not a bunch of industry professionals.
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-12-14, 23:10
I have one too. Takes awhile to boot up and seems to need to be re-calibrated if the temps change. Pretty good but I wouldn't trust me life to it. Great for people like home inspectors.
The jack in the bottom is mini USB, so you have to carry two charging cords.
There is an adaptor for the audio jack that would be easy to loose.
It doesn't seem to operate as a battery pack for the phone.
It's a toy, but it is fun to play with.
Thank you for that information. That does help me in my decision making.
My wife has been dying for these to come out, she finally bought one and received it today. We haven't had it long enough to tell you about battery life, but it's not too bad on the size and weight. It's about like adding one of those Mophie battery packs. Seeing how the next in line FLIR unit is close to $2k, the ONE will do the trick for our light utility and recreational uses. It works well for comparing relative hot and cold areas, so I do think it would work for looking for leaks, hot spots, etc. (For the record, neither of us are affiliated with FLIR or the optics, imaging, firearms, etc. industries.)
Ceiling in my bedroom, from this afternoon. You can easily see the heat from the fan motor, as well as the heat from the skylight to the right and the coolness of the AC vent to the left. (And yes, that is Darth Vader on my dresser...)
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff122/jet1966/IMG_0005_zpsf738047b.jpg
This is my wife standing in total darkness tonight, in the shadow of my shop (to the left) and a fairly thick umbrella of trees above, blocking out the moon and my outside lights. Without the FLIR, I couldn't see her at all, and she was wearing a white t-shirt.
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff122/jet1966/IMG_0018_zpsa7395f49.jpg
This is the 'Hottest' filter, and that is a lit cigarette in her hand. I didn't take a pic, but even from about 15-20 yards, the cigarette ember was easily seen and highlighted red by the FLIR.
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff122/jet1966/IMG_0020_zps474cf16e.jpg
This horse belongs to the neighbor across the street, 'Coolest' filter, as you can see by the blue sky. It's a white horse, and was still very hard to see in the dark, especially when standing still. (It was walking when I took the pics.)
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff122/jet1966/IMG_0022_zpsc22db3bd.jpg
Same horse, 'Hottest' filter.
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff122/jet1966/IMG_0025_zps184fd3f5.jpg
The image you see when looking at the phone is much sharper and more detailed. In most of these pics, I'm holding the camera by hand, with no support, the subjects were moving, and the area is too dark to capture the base image. Basically, as you can kind of see in the first pic taken in the day lit room, it overlays the thermal imaging with a contrasted/line-drawing version of the picture the phone's camera would take on its own. All of the other ones were shot in very dark conditions, where the camera wasn't picking much of anything up, leaving all of the 'work' to the FLIR. As mentioned above, it's not going to be on par with the much more expensive FLIR gear, but for basic heat comparisons on home/repair stuff it should work pretty well, and it definitely can see warmblooded living things in the dark that your eyes can't.
As one would/should suspect, it doesn't do 'night vision.' In a dark room where the floor and furniture were all pretty much the same temp, there was little to no contrast to be made via temperature differences. I tested that just to see if there might be enough difference to see around obstacles in the room, but it was not the case.
For the price vs. what it does, I think it's a fair value thus far.
looks like a neat thermal locator for downed game...
ChrisCross
10-20-14, 22:55
mmm this looks like a good X-mas present to myself.
dangrullon87
12-02-14, 08:46
Has the android compatible one been released?
It didn't look like an android version has yet, just from a quick Google search. I would be interested in one if they did. Is this capable of being mounted on a weapon?
treadwisely
12-03-14, 13:03
I've seen the thing in action. It works as advertised.
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