FL CCW holder stopped in Maryland

[platoonDaddy]

If these facts are accurate, our country is in harms way.

Maryland State has a network of technical security databases which access the databases of all other states who comply and coordinate with them. For states who do not willfully comply, or those who are not set up to align technically, Maryland mines data from various LEO systems.

Maryland has a rather innocuous sounding name for the intelligence hub which contains this data, it’s called Maryland Coordination and Analysis Center.


theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/01/16/driving-through-maryland-how-the-lawful-florida-gun-owner-was-targeted-hint-maryland-coordination-and-analysis-center/

EDIT: As an out-of-state holder of Florida CCW, from the socialist state of MD, I recall reading that Florida was concerned about LE's having access to the database. Therefore the CWP database is under Dept of Ag instead of LEO for privacy. So if the article is true, MD is data-mining FL Dept of Ag.

Update 24 Jan - Active Investigation denial http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/01/23/the-curious-case-of-john-filippidis-maryland-transportation-authority-police-official-response-to-our-public-records-request/

[kry226]

Spending my last few weeks in Maryland (praise the Lord). I have a Texas CHL (Texas DL and license plates too) and have been pulled over once by a MD State Trooper for 77 in a 55.

The officer was very nice, told me he doesn't issue citations for that speed, and gave me a warning.

I am no fan of Marylandistan, but this Trooper certainly wasn't targeting me. Sample of one, I know, but FWIW, YMMV.

[graffex]

I would leave this shithole in a second and live in a tent, in a free state like Texas. Unfortunately my fiancé doesn't agree with my sentiment and isn't willing to move away from her family and friends. Where about to have a baby boy any day now, so my prospects of getting out of here aren't looking good unfortunately :(

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

If you read the articles, his wife is an idiot. She says that she doesn't know where the gun is, maybe its in the glovebox....

That said, we don't have it that the FL CCW was the real reason he was pulled over. It probably was. That is pretty chilling.

Why would FL share that info???

[Moose-Knuckle]

If you read the articles, his wife is an idiot. She says that she doesn't know where the gun is, maybe its in the glovebox....

That said, we don't have it that the FL CCW was the real reason he was pulled over. It probably was. That is pretty chilling.

Why would FL share that info???

If Maryland "data mined" the info Florida may not have known it "shared" it in the first place.

[Armati]

So, it is a little more complicated than all that. The MTA is about the most pointless LE organization in the state and arguably, the least professional. They exist solely to shake down motorists for ticket money. It would seem that they are trying to show they are a real LE organization and are trying to make a name for themselves prior to the next election.

They are after all profit center for the State.

This is not a case of the State of MD targeting one guy, but a single administrator at the MTA trying to make it look like they do actual police work. Petty bureaucrats trying to defend their fiefdom.

Now, before somebody gets all LEO butthurt, I can tell you that I have more than a few personal friends working for Baltimore City, Baltimore County, Ann Arundel, PG, and the MSP. The guys I know would all agree with this assessment. The MTA is full of guys who did not get hired by the MSP.

[Belmont31R]

Don't go to liberal hellhole states. Once I left Cali at age 18 I've been there less than 2 weeks since.


And shit like this is why every gun owner needs to support and push for constitutional carry. Permits are shit.

[platoonDaddy]

The reply to the following request will be interesting:


The purpose of my contact with you today is to request public records surrounding this incident.

This is a request under the Maryland Public Information Act, State Government Article §§10-611 to 630. I am making this request on my own behalf.

I wish to receive all records in your department’s custody and control pertaining to the following:

(A) the record/incident report, outlining the initial infraction which led to the traffic stop in question – and all subsequent written documentation pertaining to the encounter/traffic stop; and

(B) a recorded copy of the full Police Band radio transmission (between initial officer and all subsequent officers) as it pertains to the initial officer contact with the vehicle, to the stoppage, search, detention and subsequent release; and

(C) a copy of the dash camera recording for the initial MTAP officer encounter with the vehicle of Mr. John Filippidis (if available) during the entire timeframe of encounter with the vehicle, personage, and family of: Mr. John Filippidis, outlined in the traffic stop in question; and

(D) the full contact information for any other police, state or local agency who also responded to the traffic stop in question.

If all or any part of this request is denied, I request that I be provided with a written statement of the grounds for the denial.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/01/15/unreal-unarmed-but-legal-florida-ccw-gun-owner-drives-through-maryland-then-it-goes-downhill/

[montanadave]

Sounds like Maryland's got SCMODS.

[JBecker 72]

I drive in MD a decent amount as do friends and we've never had an issue.


Sounds like Maryland's got SCMODS.

State county municipal offender data system.

[oldtexan]

I stay out of blue states.

[Armati]

I stay out of blue states.

That's cool and all, but MD is the richest state in the Union. In fact, most Red States get more govt welfare than they return in Federal taxes. The majority of the 47% are actually in the Red States. Of course, returning to the Constitutionally mandated system of Apportionment (where states pay the same rate of Federal taxes based on a per capita of Census population) would fix all of this. But the first people to squeal about adhering to the Constitution would be the Red States because they pride themselves on low taxes. And of course, they can afford to have these low taxes because Uncle Sugar is making up the difference.

[Armati]

The reply to the following request will be interesting:


The purpose of my contact with you today is to request public records surrounding this incident.

This is a request under the Maryland Public Information Act, State Government Article §§10-611 to 630. I am making this request on my own behalf.


http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/01/15/unreal-unarmed-but-legal-florida-ccw-gun-owner-drives-through-maryland-then-it-goes-downhill/

Brilliant! Let us know how this plays out. This is one way to buck the trend. Everytime the govt does something like this, slam them with a FOIA request. Pretty soon they will get tired of scrutinized. When you get the info, contact a reporter at the Baltimore Sun and Washington Post. You have done half of the work for them.

[platoonDaddy]

Brilliant! Let us know how this plays out. This is one way to buck the trend. Everytime the govt does something like this, slam them with a FOIA request. Pretty soon they will get tired of scrutinized. When you get the info, contact a reporter at the Baltimore Sun and Washington Post. You have done half of the work for them.

I can't take credit for the request, one of the writers for "The Last Refuge", when they do post their findings, I will post here and local conservative talk shows.

[platoonDaddy]

Update 24 Jan - Active Investigation denial http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/01/23/the-curious-case-of-john-filippidis-maryland-transportation-authority-police-official-response-to-our-public-records-request/

[chuckman]

I know nothing of the MTA, but many lifetimes ago I went through the process of applying for Trooper Medic in their flight program. The MSP folks that I met, and the few I still know, don't seem to be terribly interested in chickenshit like this.

[BoringGuy45]

The problem is, staying out of those states just isn't an option for many people, and if we don't start getting loud and annoying the way gay, abortion, and other liberal activists are, free states won't exist. I have no choice but to travel through NY, NJ, and into CT because most of my family is in CT. I'm not going to stop visiting them because of this nonsense.

At any rate, this guy should file a lawsuit. If he really was stopped because they found out he had a CC permit, they'd better articulate how that was probable cause that a crime was being committed.

[Eurodriver]

Did anyone read the Tampa Tribune article? Way better than the link in the OP. (The Tribune article is linked in the OP article)

His wife is a dumbass. "I might shoot it into my foot". She broke the first rule of LEO contact. "Be cool."

[austinN4]

Did anyone read the Tampa Tribune article? Way better than the link in the OP. (The Tribune article is linked in the OP article)
His wife is a dumbass. "I might shoot it into my foot". She broke the first rule of LEO contact. "Be cool."
Yes, and her comments were cited as the probable cause for the search. But it still doesn't clear up the question of why he was stopped in the first place.

[T2C]

Yes, and her comments were cited as the probable cause for the search. But it still doesn't clear up the question of why he was stopped in the first place.


Precisely.


It would be good to know:

a) the stated probable cause for the traffic stop
b) the stated probable cause for the vehicle search

Until a finished report obtained through a FOIA request is available, it will difficult to challenge the veracity of the stop. If the stop was based strictly on a computer inquiry, we all should be concerned.

[platoonDaddy]

One of my links: stated speeding.

[Eurodriver]

I don't see what the big deal was. With FOPA, if he was just passing through and his gun was locked in the trunk unloaded how could he face any charges?

Its not like they had reports of him waving it around?

[RWH24]

Kinda like Okla and open container laws. If there is an empty beverage can in the bed of your truck, and there is 1 drop of moisture inside or on the rim, BOY, You In a Heap Of Trouble! I think they have lightened up since the 70/80's

[Iraqgunz]

I think I am going to craft a letter concerning FOPA and send it to some pro-gun Senators and ask that someone look into some of the reported violations. The main issue is that there is usually more to the story and it seems to get left out.


I don't see what the big deal was. With FOPA, if he was just passing through and his gun was locked in the trunk unloaded how could he face any charges?

Its not like they had reports of him waving it around?

[platoonDaddy]

Update: The review board concluded: No wrong doing, therefore you have no more rights in the name of public safety.

“The MDTA Police conducted a review of the traffic stop and have concluded that the stop and subsequent search of the vehicle were justified,” spokesman Jonathan Green wrote in an emailed statement. “The investigation did not reveal any violations of law or agency policy.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/30/gun-owners-fear-maryland-cops-target-them-for-traf/

[docsherm]

That's cool and all, but MD is the richest state in the Union. In fact, most Red States get more govt welfare than they return in Federal taxes. The majority of the 47% are actually in the Red States. Of course, returning to the Constitutionally mandated system of Apportionment (where states pay the same rate of Federal taxes based on a per capita of Census population) would fix all of this. But the first people to squeal about adhering to the Constitution would be the Red States because they pride themselves on low taxes. And of course, they can afford to have these low taxes because Uncle Sugar is making up the difference.

State your sources and examples. I ask because I know Texas provides a lot more to the Fed then they get. Thank you California.


Shocker that they found no wrong doing on their part......this is my shocked face....:rolleyes:

[Whiskey_Bravo]

There is almost nothing that would make me visit states like Maryland or especially drive through them in a non rental car. It's unfortunate but I guess I am lucky I don't have any relatives behind enemy line and my work keeps me mostly in southern states.

[Eurodriver]

One year later and I still don't see what the PC is for the search.

[Armati]

State your sources and examples. I ask because I know Texas provides a lot more to the Fed then they get. Thank you California.



Well, lies, damn lies, and statistics, but all things being equal here are a few sources:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/where-do-the-47-percent-live/

http://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

According to this data 35% of TX revenue comes from the Feds. I am not sure your average Texan is ready for a 35% jump in taxes to be "independent."

[Eurodriver]

Well, lies, damn lies, and statistics, but all things being equal here are a few sources:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/where-do-the-47-percent-live/

http://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

According to this data 35% of TX revenue comes from the Feds. I am not sure your average Texan is ready for a 35% jump in taxes to be "independent."

How much of that revenue is spent on Federally required programs like Medicaid, Section 8, HUD, OSHA, EPA, etc?

About the only thing I can think of that would significantly affect good, honest tax paying citizens if federal $$$ was shut off would be infrastructure repair.

[Ned Christiansen]

I won't be surprised to one day read that one state agency has actively hacked another state's or several states' systems for info, that citizens from the target state or states might be more effectively targeted for passing through, legally, with a gun.

[docsherm]

Well, lies, damn lies, and statistics, but all things being equal here are a few sources:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/where-do-the-47-percent-live/

http://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

According to this data 35% of TX revenue comes from the Feds. I am not sure your average Texan is ready for a 35% jump in taxes to be "independent."



You do know that 79% of all statistics are made up......Right? I have a great deal of formal education on Statistics and I can tell you the Lib Left has been very good and directing all stats to make them look better. Look at the stats on gun crime and violence that they have been spewing over the years. They never show the whole picture. Also look at the crime stats based on minorities......you will never see the true picture there. That is not PC so they have to be fixed"

Here is the thing. Most of those stats are based on per capita income about individual income. None of those stats show totals, business and individual income. Show me those, not based on per capita and the picture will look very different.

Eurodriver is correct in that much of that Federal money does not even go to the States. Most of it go to people directly. Take Medicaid as an example. Texas did not increase their Medicaid benefits with Obamacare, because we do not like BS. So for Obamacare to work the federal government had to increase their part to people in the state. California did increase theirs to match what the Fed wanted them to do and the federal government gives them much less money for Medicaid, but they make it up by squeezing their people with very high states taxes.

See what I mean?

[Irish]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/30/gun-owners-fear-maryland-cops-target-them-for-traf/


One year later and I still don't see what the PC is for the search.

There are 2 different incidents, same cop, different folks, in case people didn't know. I'll reserve any further comments other than saying this officer's actions only helps distance himself and his colleagues from their supporters. From pg. 3 of the posted article:


“The officer observed the concealed carry gun permit while the driver was searching for his driver’s license and vehicle registration in his wallet,” Mr. Green said.

“After personally observing the gun permit, the officer asked the driver to step from the vehicle and inquired about the location of the weapon,” Mr. Green said. “The driver denied that there was a weapon in the vehicle.

“The officer returned to the vehicle to ask the occupant of the front passenger seat about the location of the gun. The occupant of the front passenger seat indicated that the gun was possibly in the glove box or the console of the vehicle and reached for the glove box before being advised by the officer to stop.”

“The officer who stopped Mr. Filippidis smelled the odor of marijuana in the vehicle on his initial approach of the vehicle,” Mr. Green said. “Based on the conflicting stories regarding the location of the gun, the observations made while the vehicle was being stopped and the suspected odor of marijuana, the officer had probable cause to search the vehicle for possible controlled dangerous substances (CDS) and the weapon.”

Mr. Filippidis vehemently denies there was any smell of marijuana in his car, and he didn’t know that was the excuse used to justify the search of his SUV. He did say he may have been going a little over the speed limit, and his wife was confused about the whereabouts of his gun.

“If they smelled pot, why didn’t they arrest me for pot?” Mr. Filippidis said. “This whole thing just doesn’t add up. Smoking in front of my kids driving home from Christmas with the family? Come on. We walked away from the entire incident without even a ticket — for anything.”

As for Mr. Tonnesen, a search of his vehicle was justified after the same officer felt threatened and that Mr. Tonnesen was hiding something as both of his hands weren’t readily visible. He was also pulled over for speeding...

[jmoney]

Even if they did look up someone's data, how in the hell is being a CHL holder PC for a stop.

[jpmuscle]

Even if they did look up someone's data, how in the hell is being a CHL holder PC for a stop.
Haven't you been following the other threads? Possession of an inanimate firearm or firearm related paraphernalia suggests unlawful intent...... Lol

[jmoney]

Haven't you been following the other threads? Possession of an inanimate firearm or firearm related paraphernalia suggests unlawful intent...... Lol

the sad part is that it is only the mere suggestion that an individual might own(not even be in possession of a firearm)


these people belong in jail.

[OH58D]

It's crap like this that convinced me to NEVER get my CCW. The less they know, the better.

[Eurodriver]

It's crap like this that convinced me to NEVER get my CCW. The less they know, the better.

The odds of me being robbed, assaulted, mugged, or harmed in any way by BGs far outweigh me the odds of me being stopped by anti-gun LE in another state for being a CCW holder.

[Moose-Knuckle]

The odds of me being robbed, assaulted, mugged, or harmed in any way by BGs far outweigh me the odds of me being stopped by anti-gun LE in another state for being a CCW holder.

He lives in NM, not sure but I'm pretty sure he can carry there without the paper trail unlike in our respective states.

[Armati]

I can tell you the Lib Left has been very good and directing all stats to make them look better.

Eurodriver is correct in that much of that Federal money does not even go to the States. Most of it go to people directly.

See what I mean?

I do.

Keep in mind that the stats I cited come from Conservative outlets. There is simply no getting around the fact that NYC and NJ suburbs outside NYC with it's high earners are paying more in taxes than most of say MS or AR.

Yes, most of those Federal payments are to individuals (the 47%) however, those individuals then spend that money in the state that they live contributing to the overall economy. Furthermore, The People of WalMart have low wage jobs and the Feds are subsidizing their income - either directly or in subsistence in kind (Medicaid, CHIP, WIC, ect). If Corporate America was paying people a living wage they would not have to rely on Public Assistance to make ends meet. Unfortunately, most of the good jobs in America have been sent China where they don't have to worry about labor standards, safety standards, OSHA, environmental standards or anything else we view as SOP in a modern Western CIVILIZATION.

Personally, I don't think America's goal should be to reach parity with the Third World.

[platoonDaddy]

If passed VA will refuse to share CCW database with states such as Maryland. Hopefully other states will follow, to prevent what happened to the Florida resident, reference post #1.



SB 948, Senator Stuart's bill which prevents concealed handgun permit information from being shared with states that don't honor Virginia permits, such as Maryland, passed out of the Senate Courts of Justice committee easily and heads to the Senate Floor. SB 948 will protect permit holders from Maryland, New Jersey, New York, or other police-state officers going on a "fishing expedition" to find out if a Virginia motorist is a gun owner. Those states don't honor Virginia permits and are simply looking to find a gun to go with that permit so they can arrest or harass the gun owner. That has happened to people and we need to get this bill passed into law. Shamefully, the State Police spoke against this bill and are the ones who are providing the permit information to states such as Maryland through the Virginia Criminal Information Network computer system.

https://legiscan.com/VA/bill/SB948/2015

[Whiskey_Bravo]

. Shamefully, the State Police spoke against this bill and are the ones who are providing the permit information to states such as Maryland through the Virginia Criminal Information Network computer system.

https://legiscan.com/VA/bill/SB948/2015


Is this just politics by the state police or is there some other reason they are being dicks?

[jpmuscle]

Is this just politics by the state police or is there some other reason they are being dicks?
Probably just being dicks... It seems a lot of state LE entities take on the same persona.

[platoonDaddy]

Update, he was charged for handgun in car:

Defendant Information
Defendant Name: I removed his name & Address(platoonDaddy)
Race: WHITE, CAUCASIAN, ASIATIC INDIAN, ARAB
Sex: MHeight:508Weight:210DOB:09/27/1955
Address:
City: Zip Code:
Court Scheduling Information
Trial Date: 10/08/2015Trial Time:01:00 PMRoom:02
Trial Type:
Trial Location:900 WALKER AVE CATONSVILLE 21228-5380
Charge and Disposition Information
(Each Charge is listed separately. The disposition is listed below the Charge)
Charge No: 001Description:HANDGUN IN VEHICLE
Statute: CR.4.203Description:HANDGUN IN VEHICLE
Amended Date: CJIS Code:1 0175MO/PLL:Probable Cause:X
Incident Date From: 07/30/2015 To: 07/30/2015 Victim Age:
Related Person Information
(Each Person related to the case other than the Defendant is shown)
Name:DAY, G OFC
Connection:COMPLAINANT/POLICE OFFICER
Agency Code: MDTAAgency Sub-Code:SODOfficer


This is the law he was charged under:

Maryland Criminal Law Section 4-203 http://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2005/gcr/4-203.html


§ 4-203. Wearing, carrying, or transporting handgun.


(a) Prohibited.-

(1) Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, a person may not:

(i) wear, carry, or transport a handgun, whether concealed or open, on or about the person;

(ii) wear, carry, or knowingly transport a handgun, whether concealed or open, in a vehicle traveling on a road or parking lot generally used by the public, highway, waterway, or airway of the State;

(iii) violate item (i) or (ii) of this paragraph while on public school property in the State; or

(iv) violate item (i) or (ii) of this paragraph with the deliberate purpose of injuring or killing another person.

(2) There is a rebuttable presumption that a person who transports a handgun under paragraph (1)(ii) of this subsection transports the handgun knowingly.

(b) Exceptions.- This section does not prohibit:

(1) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person who is on active assignment engaged in law enforcement, is authorized at the time and under the circumstances to wear, carry, or transport the handgun as part of the person's official equipment, and is:

(i) a law enforcement official of the United States, the State, or a county or city of the State;

(ii) a member of the armed forces of the United States or of the National Guard on duty or traveling to or from duty;

(iii) a law enforcement official of another state or subdivision of another state temporarily in this State on official business;

(iv) a correctional officer or warden of a correctional facility in the State;

(v) a sheriff or full-time assistant or deputy sheriff of the State; or

(vi) a temporary or part-time sheriff's deputy;

(2) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person to whom a permit to wear, carry, or transport the handgun has been issued under Title 5, Subtitle 3 of the Public Safety Article;

(3) the carrying of a handgun on the person or in a vehicle while the person is transporting the handgun to or from the place of legal purchase or sale, or to or from a bona fide repair shop, or between bona fide residences of the person, or between the bona fide residence and place of business of the person, if the business is operated and owned substantially by the person if each handgun is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster;

(4) the wearing, carrying, or transporting by a person of a handgun used in connection with an organized military activity, a target shoot, formal or informal target practice, sport shooting event, hunting, a Department of Natural Resources-sponsored firearms and hunter safety class, trapping, or a dog obedience training class or show, while the person is engaged in, on the way to, or returning from that activity if each handgun is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster;

(5) the moving by a bona fide gun collector of part or all of the collector's gun collection from place to place for public or private exhibition if each handgun is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster;

(6) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person on real estate that the person owns or leases or where the person resides or within the confines of a business establishment that the person owns or leases;

(7) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a supervisory employee:

(i) in the course of employment;

(ii) within the confines of the business establishment in which the supervisory employee is employed; and

(iii) when so authorized by the owner or manager of the business establishment;

(8) the carrying or transporting of a signal pistol or other visual distress signal approved by the United States Coast Guard in a vessel on the waterways of the State or, if the signal pistol or other visual distress signal is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case, in a vehicle; or

(9) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person who is carrying a court order requiring the surrender of the handgun, if:

(i) the handgun is unloaded;

(ii) the person has notified the law enforcement unit, barracks, or station that the handgun is being transported in accordance with the court order; and

(iii) the person transports the handgun directly to the law enforcement unit, barracks, or station.

[Firefly]

This is BS. There are oodles of GMC Yukons, Escalades, and Caprice classics in Baltimore with legit illegal guns, yet some dude just out in the world gets reamed. All because some silk-behinded communist behind a desk makes it a thing.

[nimdabew]

I dont go to certain states for this very reason.

[SilverBullet432]

Spending my last few weeks in Maryland (praise the Lord). I have a Texas CHL (Texas DL and license plates too) and have been pulled over once by a MD State Trooper for 77 in a 55.

The officer was very nice, told me he doesn't issue citations for that speed, and gave me a warning.

I am no fan of Marylandistan, but this Trooper certainly wasn't targeting me. Sample of one, I know, but FWIW, YMMV.


You will most definitely get a ticket for driving 77 in a 55 here in Texas. Depending on your behavior, you could be arrested for reckless driving lol.

[kry226]

You will most definitely get a ticket for driving 77 in a 55 here in Texas. Depending on your behavior, you could be arrested for reckless driving lol.
I'm pretty familiar with Texas LEO tendencies. I was just giving an example. Thanks.

[SOWT]

My son moved to WV because of this crap.

So how do you legally drive through MD if you have a weapon?

[TAZ]

My son moved to WV because of this crap.

So how do you legally drive through MD if you have a weapon?

Why would you even bother. It's a small state. Just go round.

[SteyrAUG]

I dont go to certain states for this very reason.

+1

Minimum 5 character rule is stupid.