VG6 Precision Epsilon 556

[ffusaf23]

Came across this new muzzle break (https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=4214) at Ranier Arm's website.

Seems to take the hybrid concept a bit further with the compensating slots reminiscent of a Battlecomp along with two side ports and some uniquely shaped inward curving flash reducing tines. Was wondering if anyone has tried one of these yet and what the experienced muzzle device users think of it's design?

[Brahmzy]

LOL @ all of these muzzle devices coming out in droves. They're all using bits and pieces of existing designs and cramming them into one. Jack of all trades, master on none, if you will.

"This is a true combination muzzle brake / compensator / flashhider."

You want slots like a BC? Check.
You want an open brake like a Surefire? Check.
You want holes like a MAMS? Check.
You want an FH like a MAMS? Check.
You want it for $80? Check.
It'll concuss like a Surefire, kick like a BC and hide flash like a MAMS, or something.

Wash, rinse and repeat, get rich, LOL.

It's cool lookin' - I'll give 'em that.

https://www.rainierarms.com/img/shop/product/a56ec804aac4f3375400c4af986a24bf.jpg
https://www.rainierarms.com/img/shop/product/a71aed54cdb07c69ffee76f4758d8363.jpg
https://www.rainierarms.com/img/shop/product/bdefcc67a28e5f300c4f9f3f960d5bdb.jpg
https://www.rainierarms.com/img/shop/product/e08a2910496cc4993b915f1fb4d5c9cd.jpg
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab55/UWone77/1526325_587892181282906_801050787_n_zps64f87856.jpg

I just think it's getting a bit silly, either that, or I can't keep up anymore with all of them to test them. Here's another one from them.
https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t31/c0.131.851.315/p851x315/1534794_709733199066443_1184680955_o.jpg

[ffusaf23]

It does seem to be getting a bit crazy but I won't complain. I'd rather have too many options than too little. I've seen a couple of modular designs here and there that seem interesting and I wouldn't mind seeing more of that at all, especially if manufactures can keep them some what low profile and light weight. Being able to go from a dedicated brake to more of a compensator or flash hider as the situation dictates might be pretty useful.

Anyway, I'm in the market for a muzzle device and was just wondering if anyone had experience with this one. I'll likely get one of the enclosed hybrid designs like the AFAB due to less side blast. These side ported brakes remain tempting though due to their effectiveness in reducing recoil. Thanks for adding pics.

[Obscenejesster]

I'm trying to decide between this and the AFAB Mini.

Anyone have any experience with either one?

[nova3930]

Physics is physics so I think we're past the point of vanishing returns on new designs. It's all a question of exactly where you want to be on the sliding scale between FS and MB....

[TAZ]

Physics may very well be physics, but that doesn't mean we know enough to call it quits. People trying to put things together and make a better mouse trap is rarely a bad thing.

[nova3930]

Physics may very well be physics, but that doesn't mean we know enough to call it quits. People trying to put things together and make a better mouse trap is rarely a bad thing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for R&D and trying to do things better in a different way. The caveat being people actually need to try something different, and mashing together bits of other designs can't really be desribed as different. Every design out there is somewhere on the scale between an ideal FS and an ideal MB, mashing designs together just changes where the end result ends up on the scale. I'd be far more interested if someone produced a completely new design that in practical application pushed further out towards an ideal FS or ideal MB....

[Rayrevolver]

I'm trying to decide between this and the AFAB Mini.

Anyone have any experience with either one?

I am interested in the AFAB Mini also.

Ignorance is bliss and I wish I hadn't shot a friends SF brake a few weeks ago. Now I am looking at the AFAB Mini, Griffin Flash Comp or Brake, SF Brake, used BC, Lantac Dragon...

I am sure you have seen this (they test the VG6 Gamma):
http://vuurwapenblog.com/2014/01/12/ar-15-muzzle-device-comparison/

Threadjack - Some curious things came out of the data above with respect to downward forces. People complain about the BC pushing the muzzle down but this test shows the downward force of the BC is about equal to the A2. Based on me shooting an A2 and XTC back-to-back, I would have bet my life that the A2 has less downward force than an XTC. Their data says otherwise. XTC for me had about half the muzzle climb (not apples to apples uppers though).

Bottomline is that people complain about the BC but NOT the A2 - that means there is no correlation between the downforce they measured and the actual muzzle moving down.

[bruin]

Unless this device has some innovative internal geometry that I can't see from the pics, this is what I expect... the tines up front should minimize flash forward of the device, as testing of the GA Flash Comp, AFAB Mini, and KAC MAMS have shown. Muzzle control should be excellent as a two port brake, but those large open sides are going to generate more lateral flash and blast than the aforementioned cage-style comps. Downward push depends on how VG6 has tuned the top/bottom ports.

[Rayrevolver]

I bit the bullet and have both a SF MB556 and VG6 Epsilon inbound. How exactly I am going to test them side-by-side remains a challenge since I don't have 2 similar uppers. And I sure as hell will not install any strain gauges anywhere so whatever downward push the Epsilon has will remain a mystery.

The end game is to put 1 of them on a lightweight 16" BCM KMR carbine.

[mpom]

Hopefully there will be such a hugh difference between the two that it will be obvious which you like more.

[Rayrevolver]

Hopefully there will be such a hugh difference between the two that it will be obvious which you like more.

My lack of trigger time recently means I probably cannot do this comparo any justice. For example, last week I shot a 16 ELW KMR, birdcage, Vltor A5, with a Aimpoint Micro next to a 16 LMT carbine, carbine buffer with a MB556k, irons only. All at 50 yards, slow fire.

I was hard pressed to feel a difference and with the irons it was hard to tell if the MB556k was shooting flatter or not. I will do a more apples-to-apples test with respect to the lowers and optic, but it will most likely be the VG6 on a 16" ELW middie vs the 16 LMT M4 carbine with MB556k.

What I can do is put things on scales and take pictures (2x each).

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[turnburglar]

I'm still rocking the undefeated champion of hybrid devices.....



The A2 birdcage.

[js213]

I've got the Gamma 556. I haven't used it much, but it does shoot pretty flat. I haven't had a chance to directly compare it with other devices, and it's the only brake I've used, so I can't say it works any better than something else.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7311/11670692996_7d9baa5961_o.jpg

[ColtSeavers]

Currently building another rifle and am torn between this and the OSS Bannar alpha 1. Anyone have anymore experience with the VG6 Epsilon? Also, what ammo was used if so?

[TexasGunNut]

I thought I was rocking new-school with TWO different types of AAC brakes. I need to get out of the woods more, the muzzle device selection is starting to rival Adam & Eve.

[ManOnFire40]

I just ordered one of these. Has anyone else purchased one since the previous reply? Just wondering how your enjoying it.

[Voodoochild]

Three year old necro post? Come on man you can do better.