Best Documentary Ever

[thehun]

Little cheesy at the beginning with the intro video. However, myself...I came from Hungary (communist country at one time and was born in it the last 6 years it stood) and all of the points in this documentary are falling in place as we speak.

Lengthy, but worth the watch

http://vimeo.com/63749370

[Safetyhit]

A few years ago I would likely have dismissed this as far right propaganda. Sadly now I'm not so sure.

What I do know however is that unless the last presidential election was rigged, we had our chance to throw this destructive f*** out the door. Too bad that a great many sat home and pouted because their prince charming wasn't the candidate. Been working out real well.

[Eurodriver]

A few years ago I would likely have dismissed this as far right propaganda. Sadly now I'm not so sure.

What I do know however is that unless the last presidential election was rigged, we had our chance to throw this destructive f*** out the door. Too bad that a great many sat home and pouted because their prince charming wasn't the candidate. Been working out real well.

Do you also feel slighted when Democrats don't vote for the Republican candidate?

[Safetyhit]

Do you also feel slighted when Democrats don't vote for the Republican candidate?

No surprise to hear from you on this matter of course. If you actually still somehow think that deliberately enabling Obama was not an incredibly bad thing then we are on two different planets my friend.

[Mauser KAR98K]

No surprise to hear from you on this matter of course. If you actually still somehow think that deliberately enabling Obama was not an incredibly bad thing then we are on two different planets my friend.

How much of this bad crap on Obama has come out after the election when media sources had it well before November? That kinda of rigging?

[ALCOAR]

The gays, environmental conscience citizens, and everyone who's not a christian is ruining America, and is surely a commie....is that about right?

[Safetyhit]

The gays, environmental conscience citizens, and everyone who's not a christian is ruining America, and is surely a commie....is that about right?


Are you saying there is nothing to the piece but paranoia?

[montanadave]

"Best" is such a subjective term. :laugh:

[Safetyhit]

"Best" is such a subjective term. :laugh:


Dave you know I think the world of you but I simply don't know what is funny about a man who spent six years in a once communist country, surely with family who spent even longer periods of their lives in that circumstance, letting us know that what they once personally saw take place there may also now be taking place here. Didn't see the whole thing but did watch a good portion of it, didn't agree with all as stated but having a hard time dismissing the overall analysis outright here in 2014.

Bottom line is that if you aren't getting a little worried by now then I simply don't know what show you are watching. So be it I guess.

[Safetyhit]

While I could and probably should let this pass, I am genuinely curious. It is important that all the good people who have responded here understand that I do not need to be right, I just don't understand how I'm wrong. But if you can help me understand then please do because that would actually be comforting.

Trident, why do you appear to see this as a hate piece? Can you please specify?

Euro, can you take a moment and clarify why knowing you did your part to enable Obama is essentially ok? By enabling I of course mean not doing what you knew was the only realistic option to defeat his harmful candidacy?

And finally Dave, why does this clip amuse you? Sure as someone not essentially liberated from a communist background I wouldn't necessarily label it as the best documentary ever, but why is the OP stating such, considering the exact content, worth disparaging?

Solyndra, the IRS, Benghazi, the ACA, common core education, federal school lunch restrictions, the demonization of capitalism, the economy, a blindly compliant national media, the most secretive administration in known history (as recently stated by NYT executive editor Jill Abramson http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/01/26/carney_on_obamacare_it_is_absolutely_worth_it_no_matter_what_happens_politically.html ) , the scaling down of our military, the increase in poor military discipline and sexual assault, the NSA (heard about Angry Birds yet?), a likely unparalleled lack of accountability, etc.

Why, or more importantly how, is this not only of little concern but also even somewhat funny? Not looking to find a way to exploit any reply, just honestly curious. All responses will be courteous I assure you.

And by the way, do I think Obama is Stalin? No I sure don't. But that doesn't mean he is weakening the very fabric of this nation to an alarming extent. Heck now he's even boasting of using additional executive order to further "forward us" as congress, the representatives of the people, resist.

[montanadave]

Safety, I am as concerned about many of the problems besetting this nation as any member. I find the clip amusing in its "over-the-top" production values.

I'm not going to engage in a lengthy debate over the content, as we've been down that road many times over the years and I think it's apparent by now that we are going to have to just disagree on some issues.

The sad truth is that the litany of abuses, malfeasance, and "destruction of the American Dream" which are attributed to the current administration is merely a continuation of the same shit perpetrated by the previous administration, whose proponents would quickly direct an accusing finger towards the administration which preceded it. And so it goes.

Same shit. Different day. Stoke the fires of fear and blame the ensuing conflagration on "those guys." Meanwhile, the men behind the curtain keep tightening the screws and making off with the goods.

As I have readily admitted on multiple occasions, I have played along with both sides of the aisle in America's political system . . . and been ****ed equally be both, although in a variety of imaginative and unanticipated ways. Rigid ideologues, religious fundamentalists, and political zealots all give my the creeps.

[Mauser KAR98K]

Safety, I am as concerned about many of the problems besetting this nation as any member. I find the clip amusing in its "over-the-top" production values.

I'm not going to engage in a lengthy debate over the content, as we've been down that road many times over the years and I think it's apparent by now that we are going to have to just disagree on some issues.

The sad truth is that the litany of abuses, malfeasance, and "destruction of the American Dream" which are attributed to the current administration is merely a continuation of the same shit perpetrated by the previous administration, whose proponents would quickly direct an accusing finger towards the administration which preceded it. And so it goes.

Same shit. Different day. Stoke the fires of fear and blame the ensuing conflagration on "those guys." Meanwhile, the men behind the curtain keep tightening the screws and making off with the goods.

As I have readily admitted on multiple occasions, I have played along with both sides of the aisle in America's political system . . . and been ****ed equally be both, although in a variety of imaginative and unanticipated ways. Rigid ideologues, religious fundamentalists, and political zealots all give my the creeps.

Where is the LIKE button on this forum.

I concur with Dave.

One of my professors stated to us that history does not repeat itself, but it merely comes in cycles. We are seeing a cycle that has happened to many nations, many people, over many events and years. The difference is is that the misery of communism, socialism, progressives and what not are finally finding its way to America, and the impact will be huge. How America survives is unknown. You have the rabid left that wants to see America as we know crumble and go away. Then there are those like minded to us that will do everything we can to stand in their way (at least we really should be). Then there is everyone else.

Who ever gets sucked it in the power vacuum will reshape the country, and quite possibly the world. We are just trying to fight who is first in line.

I feel Obama will go the way of how so many of his staffer followers have gone, but in Obama's future via the progressives that now have full control of the DNC: on his sword, though the narcissistic prick will find a way to blame it on someone else. Then it is up to the next useful idiot.

I'm not one of the tin foil types. Have prided myself on being very rational and open minded to things. But not only in the past five years, but in the past year have I feared more about the underhanded progressives, socialist, and communist working in the shadows. "Atlas Shrugged" is becoming true with each passing month. Has anyone heard what is going to be a ballot initiative in California?

The liberals have done what they have seek to do: turn the Republic into a Democracy, buy votes from the poor via welfare, and keep them on welfare, and start getting their agenda passed by 51% of the vote and call it a majority. The Reid did the nuclear option. Pelosi got ACA got it through with a roll call vote where no Republican voted for it. And Obama says he can rule be edict because he got51% of the vote on his second term.

If you take the documentry that is in the OP, and cross it with Mike Judge's "Idiotocracy", you have the future of America. And it frightens the hell out of me.

[Caeser25]

"Best" is such a subjective term. :laugh:

Yep. Massachusetts "republican"? He's a freakin RINO. Same with Chris Chrispy. If the car is head for the wall, I don't want to change speed, I want to change direction.

[Eurodriver]

Has anyone heard what is going to be a ballot initiative in California?

The liberals have done what they have seek to do: turn the Republic into a Democracy, buy votes from the poor via welfare, and keep them on welfare, and start getting their agenda passed by 51% of the vote and call it a majority. The Reid did the nuclear option. Pelosi got ACA got it through with a roll call vote where no Republican voted for it. And Obama says he can rule be edict because he got51% of the vote on his second term.

If you take the documentry that is in the OP, and cross it with Mike Judge's "Idiotocracy", you have the future of America. And it frightens the hell out of me.

No. Whaat going on the ballot?

SH,

I hold no great happiness in knowing Obama was reelected. But I do not consider myself a Republican and Romney winning was just as bad. Its a lot easier to fight the other guy than to fight the leader of your own party. After all, only Romney has signed any gun control bills.

[Safetyhit]

Ok, so the rebuttal once again is that they're all the same, that today's issues would be taking place no matter what with either candidate. Fact of the matter is that though I wasn't delighted with Romney I find it hard to believe that we are still using the same argument and I'll briefly explain why.

Consider my list of troubling issues above, then consider how many would exist with a Republican president:

1. Solyndra: Would Romney have wasted $540,000,000 on such an idealistic endeavor, this with little to no oversight? My guess would be no because he is a smarter businessman than that. Would the admittedly flawed McCain have? Another big no, plus the sloppy venture was a clear indicator of things to come.

2. The IRS: Would the IRS be deliberately targeting liberal groups with him as president? Personally I don't see it happening because I don't see him crossing that line and nor do I see him as the vengeful type. Just my assessment.

3. Benghazi: Personally I believe that the entire Libya scenario would have been handled differently, but at the very least I can't imagine Romney having left four men to die due to inadequate foresight, multiple ignored warnings and a desire to create a false image. Can you?

4. The ACA: Here we tread into delicate territory perhaps but overall I don't believe for a moment he or a Republican house would have forced the heavily flawed monstrosity on America. Just that simple.

5. Common Core Education: No way would this be pushed to the extent we are seeing now on a federal level, this if at all.

6. Federal School Lunch Restrictions: Same answer as #5.

7. The Demonization of Capitalism: I think we all know the answer is no here.

8. A Blindly Complacent Media: Not a chance in hell. Next...

9. Unparalleled Government Secrecy: Not seeing it as the likely case here by any means. Do you? If so, why?

10. Scaling Down Of The Military: Nope again.

11. Increase In Military Personnel Dysfunction: Seems like what you always get with the PC, do what feels good left, so another highly likely no here again.

12. The NSA: They would almost certainly still be spying, but on the scale they are today? Possible but again I highly doubt it. At the very least would Romney be reigning them in by now? Can't help but think so.

13. Unparalleled Lack Of Accountability: No, no and no. Not how a successful businessman operates.

Let us not forget gun control, our weakened image abroad via weak and indecisive foreign policy, an increase in racial divide, Iran playing us like a fiddle while the world laughs, etc. So you see I am now more than ever baffled by the continued statements that they would both have been the same because the evidence would seem to indicate otherwise.

[J-Dub]

Mitty would not have "saved" this country. He was nothing but a wolf in sheep's clothing, a sleaze ball, a shister, ect, ect. (as all the presidential candidates usually are)

Until term limits are set for congress, and we run most of them out and do away with lobbyists bribing them all, nothing will change.

Republican = Democrat / Democrat = Republican. They are one in the same, used to polarize the idiots that believe there's actually a difference lol.

[Safetyhit]

Mitty would not have "saved" this country. He was nothing but a wolf in sheep's clothing, a sleaze ball, a shister, ect, ect. (as all the presidential candidates usually are)

Until term limits are set for congress, and we run most of them out and do away with lobbyists bribing them all, nothing will change.

Republican = Democrat / Democrat = Republican. They are one in the same, used to polarize the idiots that believe there's actually a difference lol.

This is a fantastic job of regurgitating an old viewpoint with not a single fact to back it up. Would you like to address the specific issues above and tell me why all or even most would be the same with a Republican in office? Or are we more comfortable sticking to essentially baseless emotion?

I'm here for you to school me J-Dub, but to do so you'll need to expend a little more effort.

[J-Dub]

This is a fantastic job of regurgitating an old viewpoint with not a single fact to back it up. Would you like to address the specific issues above and tell me why all or even most would be the same with a Republican in office? Or are we more comfortable sticking to essentially baseless emotion?

I'm here for you to school me J-Dub, but to do so you'll need to expend a little more effort.

Oh well you see I don't have a magic crystal ball like you, so I cant tell you what would change or happen if a crooked ass Republican was in office instead of a crooked ass Democrat. But since you're in touch with your inner Ms. Cleo, I'll just take your hypothetical "facts" as gospel.

Thank you for educating us all. Now keep toting that REP. party line...

[VooDoo6Actual]

This was posted on M4C more than 2 years ago. Nice to see some finally made it to the party.
Use the search function. People are indolent & slow on the uptake.

[Mauser KAR98K]

No. Whaat going on the ballot?

SH,

I hold no great happiness in knowing Obama was reelected. But I do not consider myself a Republican and Romney winning was just as bad. Its a lot easier to fight the other guy than to fight the leader of your own party. After all, only Romney has signed any gun control bills.

California is going have Hospital CEO pay capped, raise minimum wage, and other means to close the income gap. Yet, nothing to close the income gap of Hollywood.

As for your second comment, that is so full of fail. Yeah, Romney did sign a gun control bill that was veto proof because of the democratic control state legislature, not too mention the NRA's hand in it. But Obama has been signing executive orders left and right. The draft he had that wasn't the final EO from last year might as well have been a ban. He has stated more than once he will bypass congress, and he is getting away with it.

Thanks to the all or nothing libertarians, we are seeing our rights eroding faster than we can blink. Make no mistake, I blame you and the rest of the libertarians and conservatives for staying home as much as I blame the media and the GOP for their failure. You let a known Marxist go unchallenged the second go around when in all reality he had no hope of winning a second term. His record was dismal. Bengazi should have ended him. Fast and Furious should have ended him. The way the ACA was passed should have ended him. His lack of enforcement on the boarder should have ended him.

But a perfect candidate wasn't picked, and they are all the same anyways. So now we have the same tyrant stripping our rights. If you think Romney would have done the same, you are as much as an ill-informed voter as the FSA, just only worse as you believe in liberty but won't help it forward for even two feet.


Mitty would not have "saved" this country. He was nothing but a wolf in sheep's clothing, a sleaze ball, a shister, ect, ect. (as all the presidential candidates usually are)

Until term limits are set for congress, and we run most of them out and do away with lobbyists bribing them all, nothing will change.

Republican = Democrat / Democrat = Republican. They are one in the same, used to polarize the idiots that believe there's actually a difference lol.


Want to help, start getting involved in the GOP and help us conservatives vote the Rhinos out. The bag may say R, but the contents can be dumped and changed out. Pissing and moaning gets us nowhere.

[Safetyhit]

Oh well you see I don't have a magic crystal ball like you...

I don't claim to have a crystal ball, just pointing out what I believe to be the obvious. Again, you are free to debate any of the points above instead of attempting to ridicule me for asking these relevant questions.


But since you're in touch with your inner Ms. Cleo, I'll just take your hypothetical "facts" as gospel.

Ok but I don't know who Ms. Cleo is and I'd much rather you take a moment to educate me on these matters. My default assumption at this point will have to be that you won't because you know you can't do so effectively.


Thank you for educating us all. Now keep toting that REP. party line...

Here we see a technique straight from the left known as deflect and distort. I tow no party line, just take tremendous issue with the current administration and wonder why we apparently allowed this to happen to ourselves. And as far as your previous claim that I think Romney would have saved America, I made no such claim whatsoever. What I am stating is that we as a nation would almost certainly not be in the many uncomfortable situations we're in now with a Republican in office. That's not towing a line but merely stating highly likely fact. I've offered and continue to offer you an opportunity to clarify why I'm wrong but apparently it isn't going to happen.

Anyhow I think I've made my humble point here. Disagree all you like, I'm sure things will be fine in the end for all of us.

[brickboy240]

While some of you are ripping us for "staying home" in the last election, because of the candidate....many of us also feel that the election WAS a total sham.

When you do not control 90% of the mass media...your message does not "get out" to the masses.

The left does not win elections because their economic policies are better - they have been proven disastrous every time they are tried.

The left does not win because their candidate is better than ours. Quite often, their candidate has loads more baggage and less overall experience.

The left wins because THEY control the message and messaging.

The messaging did not put Benghazi, Fast & Furious or the other scandals out front for the masses to see. The messaging downplayed the poor state of our overall economy and fudged the real unemployment numbers. The messaging marginalized Ron Paul and other more conservative or Libertarian candidates early on the the election cycle. The messaging then focused on Romney's dog on top of the station wagon and other nonsense.

So you can point fingers at those of us that sat out the election, but when you have next to no control over the messaging...you will never win mass appeal or get your issues and plans in front of enough people to overtake the left.

Sad to say this...but this appears to be where we are in politics in America today.

Honestly....I don't know how we fix it.

-brickboy240

[J-Dub]

I don't claim to have a crystal ball, just pointing out what I believe to be the obvious. Again, you are free to debate any of the points above instead of attempting to ridicule me for asking these relevant questions..


And calling them "facts". Interesting.

[SeriousStudent]

I do not have a problem with colorful names when referring to politicians. But do not start flinging personal attacks at each other, or this thread will go bye bye along with the attackers.

Discuss the issues, and not each other.