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Horror in the East (2005) (http://www.amazon.com/Horror-East-Laurence-Rees/dp/B00097DY5M/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1392673108&sr=1-1&keywords=horror+in+the+east)
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I consider myself pretty knowledgeable about WWII, Japanese culture and the Pacific war in particular but I was stunned by many of the recent revelations about the subject in this documentary (many things finally declassified in the 1990s).
We all knew the Japanese did some horrible things, but that still doesn't quite cover it. If you are at all interested in this subject, this DVD will be the best $13 you ever spent. Netflix does have it also.
thanks have not watched this one yet :)
my take is everything I can get on WWII shines some light or angle on things
been watching some other movies on WWII from other perspectives of countries how they saw it and put it into movies :)
will watch it :)
I have been getting more curious about the Japanese angle and side of things and the psychy that was around and how its changed etc..
Dammit! Had it in my cart but some jerk bought the last one before I could complete transaction. :(
Dammit! Had it in my cart but some jerk bought the last one before I could complete transaction. :(
Try this.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Horror-in-the-East-DVD-2005-BBC-MOVIE-/131116933448?pt=US_DVD_HD_DVD_Blu_ray&hash=item1e872da148
Amazon is also still showing 3 copies in stock with used copies starting at $1.65.
thanks have not watched this one yet :)
my take is everything I can get on WWII shines some light or angle on things
been watching some other movies on WWII from other perspectives of countries how they saw it and put it into movies :)
will watch it :)
I have been getting more curious about the Japanese angle and side of things and the psychy that was around and how its changed etc..
In that case you want to watch THIS movie.
Battle of Okinawa Starring Keiju Kobayashi, Yûzô Kayama, Tetsurô Tanba, et al. (1973) (http://www.amazon.com/Battle-Okinawa-Keiju-Kobayashi/dp/B000V1Y45K/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1392681683&sr=1-1&keywords=battle+of+okinawa)
At times it can be both offensive and bizarre for westerners because it is very much a Japanese POV film and views Okinawa as a valiant defense of Japan.
Dammit! Had it in my cart but some jerk bought the last one before I could complete transaction. :(
Or this:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x12du3t_bbc-horror-in-the-east-1of2_shortfilms
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x12du60_bbc-horror-in-the-east-2of2_shortfilms
will check that out :)
I do like movies that show a side or POV other than ours cause we know what we know (meaning history) and again you learn a lot about the POV of that side and lucky most all of us are smart enough to know truth and propaganda or whatever might be tainting things etc..
In that case you want to watch THIS movie.
Battle of Okinawa Starring Keiju Kobayashi, Yûzô Kayama, Tetsurô Tanba, et al. (1973) (http://www.amazon.com/Battle-Okinawa-Keiju-Kobayashi/dp/B000V1Y45K/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1392681683&sr=1-1&keywords=battle+of+okinawa)
At times it can be both offensive and bizarre for westerners because it is very much a Japanese POV film and views Okinawa as a valiant defense of Japan.
Thanks guys, I must've taken too long to find enough items for the free shipping. When I went back I was able to add it again and complete the sale.
Looking forward to watching this.
Horror in the East (2005) (http://www.amazon.com/Horror-East-Laurence-Rees/dp/B00097DY5M/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1392673108&sr=1-1&keywords=horror+in+the+east)
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I consider myself pretty knowledgeable about WWII, Japanese culture and the Pacific war in particular but I was stunned by many of the recent revelations about the subject in this documentary (many things finally declassified in the 1990s).
We all knew the Japanese did some horrible things, but that still doesn't quite cover it. If you are at all interested in this subject, this DVD will be the best $13 you ever spent. Netflix does have it also.
For what reasons could they have for keeping it classified until the 90s ?!
Just pulled down a little book, Titled "The Knights of Bushido", by a British lawyer involved with the war times trials. It's still available. www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=the+knights+of+bushido
It's a 1959 paperback that I picked up long ago--and the stuff of nightmares. I may have to reread it. Next to this stuff Guantanamo is a country club.
Thanks Aug, bought the DVD, hopefully it is good.
Cagemonkey
02-17-14, 19:41
For what reasons could they have for keeping it classified until the 90s ?!Cold War related stuff. I'm willing to bet much of this is about their Chemical and Biological weapons facility in Manchuria.
will check that out :)
I do like movies that show a side or POV other than ours cause we know what we know (meaning history) and again you learn a lot about the POV of that side and lucky most all of us are smart enough to know truth and propaganda or whatever might be tainting things etc..
I actually enjoy watching the propaganda, especially in US made films during the war. If you really want your lid flipped check out the 1943 Batman serials. They actually justify the removal of Japanese Americans from US cities as "wise" and all the bad guys are made up to be Japanese. Ironically the series is currently owned by Sony.
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The book "Flyboys" by James Bradley talks quite alot about the cannibalisation of American POWs by Japanese officers. Pretty tough to take, particularly for the families, I'm sure.
For what reasons could they have for keeping it classified until the 90s ?!
That there was organized cannibalism when a large group of Japanese was deployed without sufficient food. Specific orders were passed that any Japanese who ate Japanese dead should be guilty of a crime but anyone who ate enemy dead were specifically exempted.
Additionally, the involvement of the Emperor in the directing of the war effort and his knowledge of war crimes and atrocities were protected until after his death in 1989. Even the US was complicit in the cover up and presented a fabricated history where he was largely removed from politics and indeed was responsible for finally interceding and forcing the military and politicians to surrender.
Another cheery factoid, since we're on the subject: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-north-korea-united-nations-report-atrocities-20140217,0,5425154.story?track=rss#axzz2tbHkqCQv
(North Korea's Atrocities)
Being in the wrong place at the wrong time can make you envy roadkill.
that horror in the east was good :)
did not know about the group canibalsim (spelling) thing I knew some happened did not know it was OK to eat one side and not the other and how wide spread it was what I remember
always seems the emperor in this case or north korea or hitler etc.... always over a single person looking to be the center of things also why I hate the worship that some have for obama shows how this kinda stuff can happen again when a person in power is the center ! respect the office not the person !!!
had "the Day of the Kamikaze" on my netflix watch list so watching that now so fare pretty good to covers the cherry blossom (MXY-7 Ohka) and stuff
pic of the betty that carried these
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I'm looking forward to seeing this. Both of my parents served in the PTO during WW2 - my dad was an Army Captain and my mom was an Army Nurse. Both served in New Guinea, Hollandia, and the Philippines. They were there from 1943 to 1945. This period was a defining moment for them, and they would not have traded the experience for anything, but the horrors they saw first hand were as bad as anything witnessed in the ETO. The atrocities committed by the Japanese against Allied prisoners and the various civilian populations they occupied were as bad as anything done by the Nazis.
that horror in the east was good :)
did not know about the group canibalsim (spelling) thing I knew some happened did not know it was OK to eat one side and not the other and how wide spread it was what I remember
There are a couple bonus features on the DVD such as India's role in protecting the UK and how they were marginalized by England and their POWs were treated terribly by the Japanese as well.
A rather chilling photo was one of POWs from the Royal Indian units seated blindfolded for live target practice by the Japanese. Those who didn't die from the gunfire were simply bayoneted after target practice.
I will have to order Horror in the East, it looks like it would be worth watching.
I spent hours listening to stories told by a survivor of the Bataan Death March and the fact that he survived is almost unbelievable. It's amazing what a lot of the WWII veterans endured.
I recently read the book Unbroken, which is about a Pacific Theater veteran who survived his bomber crashing into the ocean, then a Japanese POW camp. The book is definitely worth reading.
I will have to order Horror in the East, it looks like it would be worth watching.
I spent hours listening to stories told by a survivor of the Bataan Death March and the fact that he survived is almost unbelievable. It's amazing what a lot of the WWII veterans endured.
I recently read the book Unbroken, which is about a Pacific Theater veteran who survived his bomber crashing into the ocean, then a Japanese POW camp. The book is definitely worth reading.
Actually being produced into a film as we speak.
Flyboys has already been recommended. It's a compelling read. For more info read Ghost Soldiers, The Rape of Nanking and The Emperor's General.
Moose-Knuckle
02-18-14, 03:32
Additionally, the involvement of the Emperor in the directing of the war effort and his knowledge of war crimes and atrocities were protected until after his death in 1989. Even the US was complicit in the cover up and presented a fabricated history where he was largely removed from politics and indeed was responsible for finally interceding and forcing the military and politicians to surrender.
This has peaked my interest lately and I found a film about this very subject, Emperor (2012).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7mTqpibZ5Q
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2103264/
This has peaked my interest lately and I found a film about this very subject, Emperor (2012).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7mTqpibZ5Q
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2103264/
Saw that on DVD last year with my wife & son. My son & I agree that the "Emperor" was a ****ing punk who should've found the short end of a rope at the nearest tree.
Netflix does have it also.
I'm not seeing it there.... :(
I'm not seeing it there.... :(
http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/Horror-in-the-East/70034534?trkid=190393
Horror in the East
2001NR98 minutes
Japan's shocking treatment of World War II POWs and the country's refusal to surrender are examined in this two-part program. From cultural, political and economic factors to the assault on Nanking and the brutality of Japan's POW camps, the complex story is told through archival footage and interviews with former Japanese soldiers, kamikazes and Allied POWs. The presentation also includes documentaries on the Indian army and the war in Burma.
Cast:
Edward Herrmann
Genres:
Documentary, British TV, Historical Documentaries, Military Documentaries, United Kingdom, Foreign Regions
Format:
DVD
Saw that on DVD last year with my wife & son. My son & I agree that the "Emperor" was a ****ing punk who should've found the short end of a rope at the nearest tree.
Unfortunately for us, Mac was so interested in being the last Japanese Emperor, that he helped facilitate the cover up.
http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/Horror-in-the-East/70034534?trkid=190393
Horror in the East
2001NR98 minutes
I swear I searched for the title and it didn't come up..... Thanks!
Unfortunately for us, Mac was so interested in being the last Japanese Emperor, that he helped facilitate the cover up.
Absolutely agree.
While there is some merit to the idea that leaving Hirohito in power and allowing him to retain his throne surely helped a radical, militarized society to accept their fate and submit to U.S. control, I have a hard time with the fact that the arrogant little bastard didn't find himself swinging from a rope.
If anyone ever deserved it, he did.
Unfortunately for us, Mac was so interested in being the last Japanese Emperor, that he helped facilitate the cover up.
Could you elaborate on this a little more? I admit to being rather ignorant of MacAurther after WWII and before Korea.
Could you elaborate on this a little more? I admit to being rather ignorant of Ike after WWII and before Korea.
You asked Steyr, so I'll let him answer, but it wasn't Ike, it was MacArthur.
Fixed....I was reading something about Ike a little while ago a failed to clear the cache.... :p
http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/Horror-in-the-East/70034534?trkid=190393
Thanks.
I swear I searched for the title and it didn't come up..... Thanks!
I couldn't find it either...
Could you elaborate on this a little more? I admit to being rather ignorant of MacAurther after WWII and before Korea.
MacArthur was a giant prima donna who was concerned only about his image and advancing his career. Among other things he received his MOH for defense of the Philippines despite the fact that it was abandoned and he had to bail on those left behind in places like Bataan.
When he learned he would basically function as the last "true" Emperor of Japan and could rule over his own little personal country, there was NOTHING he wasn't willing to do to make sure his "reign" went smoothly and that includes permitting those guilty of war crimes to be appointed to prominent positions in the post war Japanese government, knowledge of the "data for immunity" agreement deal with those who ran Unit 731 and all kinds of appalling shit.
Of course Mac had a history of appalling shit dating all the way back to the Bonus Army when he charged WWI veterans whacking people in the head with his saber with the same glee as Japanese troops did in Nanking.
The popular mythology that Mac retook the Pacific is also absurd as it generally ignores the fact that the Navy and Marines, under the leadership of Nimitz did the lions share of the work. This is not to be dismissive of the role of the US Army in the Pacific For all intents and purposes Mac was slightly more than a figurehead leader.
The only thing he ever did that was truly noteworthy was Inchon, even if it was inspired by a similar leapfrog move in Italy during WWII. His request for "the bomb" in Korea, which would have escalated into a nuclear WW III with China just shows the lengths he was willing to go to in order to demonstrate what a self absorbed asshole he really was.
Thank you for that. Now I have some more reading to do.
Amazon thanks you, too.
Anyone interested in some deeper understanding if the early seeds of the Pacific war should check out another, lesser known book by the same author as "Flyboys" called "The Imperial Cruise".
It really explains a lot about what set Japan on its path and the involvement of the Roosevelts and the US in general in bringing it to a head.
Good read.
a good well done movie since its Japanese one has to read it :) but its well done modern version about Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
enjoyed this as a great movie along with a bit of history from the Japanese angle well worth watching IMHO
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1932695/combined
Cincinnatus
02-18-14, 19:32
MacArthur is a figure both loved and abhorred. He can certainly be criticized with justification for pulling things like pinning medals on people for no real merit other than their political importance, and I would agree with what Steyr said for WWII, but, at least for the Korean War, MacArthur is given a bad rap that is arguably unjustified. A book that is scathing of MacArthuris William Manchester's, but keep in mind, he was an ardent Democrat who loathed MacArthur's ties to the Hearst publishing chain and the Republican party. The book that is the definitive biography of MacArthur is the two volume one by D. Clayton James. Any analysis of MacArthur must take cognizance of James, for he has done an exhaustive amount of research on MacArthur.
a good well done movie since its Japanese one has to read it :) but its well done modern version about Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
enjoyed this as a great movie along with a bit of history from the Japanese angle well worth watching IMHO
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1932695/combined
Doesn't seem like there is a Region 1 DVD release.
MacArthur is a figure both loved and abhorred. He can certainly be criticized with justification for pulling things like pinning medals on people for no real merit other than their political importance, and I would agree with what Steyr said for WWII, but, at least for the Korean War, MacArthur is given a bad rap that is arguably unjustified. A book that is scathing of MacArthuris William Manchester's, but keep in mind, he was an ardent Democrat who loathed MacArthur's ties to the Hearst publishing chain and the Republican party. The book that is the definitive biography of MacArthur is the two volume one by D. Clayton James. Any analysis of MacArthur must take cognizance of James, for he has done an exhaustive amount of research on MacArthur.
I'm objective enough to give him his due for things like Inchon. It's one of the few things (besides attacking the Bonus Army) that "he" actually did and should receive credit for.
But I think he is justifiably criticized for wanting to escalate the Korean War into a nuclear conflict. If we went at it with China and traded nukes it would have been disastrous.
Cincinnatus
02-18-14, 20:57
China had no nukes in 1950 and The Soviets had only just gotten the bomb. I am not at all convinced that the Omar Bradley/Harry Truman view that Korea could not have been waged like WWII is correct. Evidence from the recently declassified Soviet archives also points to the probability that the Soviets would not have intervened directly had we dropped nukes on China; MacArthur was right in pointing out that we were at war with China already in Korea, and that to pretend we were not was foolishness--things like calling the Chinese in Korea Chinese Volunteer Forces to pretend they were not actual Chinese People's Army soldiers.
However and on the other-hand, neither do I think nukes would be as decisive against China as MacArthur assumed; a more "total" war against China was certainly possible, but MacArthur had a tendecy to believe incorrectly that airpower was a magic genie in a bottle that could net China in as strategically decisive a fashion as the Air Force told him it could. (Strategic airpower was not the decisive solution to end wars the air-power theorists insisted that it would be.)
MacArthur was glaringly wrong in underestimating the potential of China to intervene, in how effective they would be when they did, and in howneffective "interdiction" by air could be to stop them.
China had no nukes in 1950 and The Soviets had only just gotten the bomb. I am not at all convinced that the Omar Bradley/Harry Truman view that Korea could not have been waged like WWII is correct. Evidence from the recently declassified Soviet archives also points to the probability that the Soviets would not have intervened directly had we dropped nukes on China; MacArthur was right in pointing out that we were at war with China already in Korea, and that to pretend we were not was foolishness--things like calling the Chinese in Korea Chinese Volunteer Forces to pretend they were not actual Chinese People's Army soldiers.
However and on the other-hand, neither do I think nukes would be as decisive against China as MacArthur assumed; a more "total" war against China was certainly possible, but MacArthur had a tendecy to believe incorrectly that airpower was a magic genie in a bottle that could net China in as strategically decisive a fashion as the Air Force told him it could. (Strategic airpower was not the decisive solution to end wars the air-power theorists insisted that it would be.)
MacArthur was glaringly wrong in underestimating the potential of China to intervene, in how effective they would be when they did, and in howneffective "interdiction" by air could be to stop them.
We didn't know that then. And yes Mac was correct to state we were fighting China by proxy in Korea. But we had no idea to what extent Stalin might back them. Berlin was already precarious enough, we didn't need a flashpoint event in Korea.
We need to remember the Russians were in Pyongyang as early as 1945. Korea was a big enough mess as it was without enlarging it. And for all we knew Stalin had already shared the bomb with China just as Fuchs provided it to Stalin.
The most interesting parts to me...
- Excellent treatment of WWI German prisoners, so good that some actually stayed in Japan.
- Japanese throwing babies off cliffs when their mothers fell behind in a forced march.
- burning of incriminating documents after the surrender of Japan.
- the Emperor was complicit in the atrocities.
- The unsurprising British arrogance in their empire.
- Japans view that the League of Nations were hypocrites by condemning their China invasion.
- They didn't explain the burned face of Masatake Okumiya of the Imperial Navy.
- The brainwashing of Japanese soldiers teaching them the Chinese were subhuman.
- The common practice of using prisoners in multiple theaters for bayonet practice.
- The brutal and indiscriminate killing of Chinese civilians.
- the reference to British troops in Singapore as "mongrel troops."
- Widespread Cannibalism in New Guinea and other remote, under provisioned areas.
- Shooting of children jumping from the cliffs of Saipan as an act of Mercy before hitting Coral.
- Children in Japan talking about fighting the Americans to the end.
- Gold Japanese teeth appear to have been very popular with US troops.
- The sincere hatred of the Japanese by our soldiers from our own propaganda campaign.
- The effectiveness of the fire bombing campaign against Japan.
- The interview of the gentleman who bashed his mothers head in with a stone, at 16, to save her from the Americans.
Not all of the was new information to me but a few of the tidbits above were new to me. Having read "Unbroken" nothing is really all that surprising. If you haven't read "Unbroken" I highly recommend that book for a great first person account of just how difficult it was to survive in the Japanese prison Camp system.
Magic_Salad0892
02-23-14, 20:11
You guys should read Inferno. It's kind of related:
http://www.amazon.com/Inferno-Death-Struggle-Franklin-World/dp/0760339767/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393207869&sr=8-1&keywords=Inferno+USS
SeriousStudent
02-23-14, 22:33
You guys should read Inferno. It's kind of related:
http://www.amazon.com/Inferno-Death-Struggle-Franklin-World/dp/0760339767/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393207869&sr=8-1&keywords=Inferno+USS
Interesting. My father in the hospital with a guy from the Franklin. He told me a little of the little the guy told him.
I'll pick up a copy, thanks for the tip.
looking forward tothis maybe
no idea if the first one will be any good as a movie or just a action CGI flick not sure yet what I think ? but tells a story of a real group hope it at least tells the story http://mightyeighth.org
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhmFFtjB2qY
Ok, so I got this from Amazon Saturday and watched it last night. Thanks goes to Steyr for yet another good recommendation.
It was a well done film with heavy use of first hand accounts, which makes all the difference to me. That being said, as a student of all things WWII and an almost fanatical fascination with the Pacific war I, unfortunately, found little that was new to me, except for the Marines shooting children as mercy killings as they fell toward the coral on Saipan.
The thing that makes this one stand out, though, is the interviews. I still very much got the feeling that these Japanese veterans to this day, have little remorse for raping to death teenage Chinese girls, killing babies for sport, torture, cannibalism, bayoneting prisoners for fun/practice, any of it.
It's powerful to hear it directly from the mouth of someone who did it, and in such a matter of fact way. I don't recall hearing ONE say that they were sorry or had deep regret. They all simply say things like, "at the time, I felt no guilt".
Well, hell, that's almost the same as, "we were a horribly indoctrinated and brutal race of psychopaths, hell bent on raping and pillaging in the name of the Emperor." Not really.
It's very, very easy for me to see how American Marines were glad to follow unofficial policy not to take prisoners. It would have been exceptionally easy to view them as murdering little pricks that needed stomped out to the last man.
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that I've seen, read and heard first hand from veterans that were there about how many Marines did not want them to surrender. More than a few were happy to kill every last one of them.
And I don't see that as a product of our own propaganda machine. I see that as a product of learned experiences fighting against one of the most brutal regimes in modern times.
Ok, so I got this from Amazon Saturday and watched it last night. Thanks goes to Steyr for yet another good recommendation.
It was a well done film with heavy use of first hand accounts, which makes all the difference to me. That being said, as a student of all things WWII and an almost fanatical fascination with the Pacific war I, unfortunately, found little that was new to me, except for the Marines shooting children as mercy killings as they fell toward the coral on Saipan.
The thing that makes this one stand out, though, is the interviews. I still very much got the feeling that these Japanese veterans to this day, have little remorse for raping to death teenage Chinese girls, killing babies for sport, torture, cannibalism, bayoneting prisoners for fun/practice, any of it.
It's powerful to hear it directly from the mouth of someone who did it, and in such a matter of fact way. I don't recall hearing ONE say that they were sorry or had deep regret. They all simply say things like, "at the time, I felt no guilt".
Well, hell, that's almost the same as, "we were a horribly indoctrinated and brutal race of psychopaths, hell bent on raping and pillaging in the name of the Emperor." Not really.
It's very, very easy for me to see how American Marines were glad to follow unofficial policy not to take prisoners. It would have been exceptionally easy to view them as murdering little pricks that needed stomped out to the last man.
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that I've seen, read and heard first hand from veterans that were there about how many Marines did not want them to surrender. More than a few were happy to kill every last one of them.
And I don't see that as a product of our own propaganda machine. I see that as a product of learned experiences fighting against one of the most brutal regimes in modern times.
Like you I had read about many of these things but this film was the first with serious documentation AND first hand accounts. There were a few things that were new to me such as how the Japanese treated POWs in WWI and the official knowledge of organized cannibalism.
I too got the sense that most surviving Japanese soldiers who engaged in these acts to this day feel little or no remorse as they were serving the Emperor. Imagine if former Einsatzgruppen members expressed similar sentiments today.
And it really does put the entire thing in context and helps one explain the actions and mentality of the Marines who faced them in the Pacific. But to me the most significant thing is this is the first documentary film so far that comes out and confirms that Hirohito knew about and was responsible for the actions of HIS military in places like China. It's been hinted at and suggested for a long time, but this is the first time I've seen it laid out openly.
Absolutely agree.
That we allowed Hirohito to retain his throne, whatever the geopolitical reasons, is a crime against humanity. He should've been strung up to the nearest tree and left there, for all to see.
The book "Flyboys" was my first foray into the cannibalism aspect of the atrocities committed by IJ troops. In that book, however, they were only eating enemy organs & flesh, although brief mention was made of it occurring in China and other theaters. Evidently, the liver was prized by cannibal officers and it was believed you would "absorb" the fighting spirit if your enemy.
Hard to believe this all happened in modern times.
Moose-Knuckle
03-05-14, 15:02
Evidently, the liver was prized by cannibal officers and it was believed you would "absorb" the fighting spirit if your enemy.
Hard to believe this all happened in modern times.
This is actually more common than one would think. It still goes on in Africa, look up black magic. I watched a documentary on modern day Africa about a year ago on how albinos are hunted for their bodyparts. The film makers got the ball rolling on the story after an African boy's torso was found floating in the Thames.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/torso-of-african-boy-detectives-believe-was-killed-in-a-ritual-sacrifice-before-being-tossed-into-the-thames-is-identified-by-key-witness-8485955.html
"****ing savages!" Lieutenant Colonel Bill Kilgore
If you haven't seen it already there is a Liveleak vid of a Syrian rebel cutting the heart out of a pro Assad soldier and eating it.
This is actually more common than one would think. It still goes on in Africa, look up black magic. I watched a documentary on modern day Africa about a year ago on how albinos are hunted for their bodyparts. The film makers got the ball rolling on the story after an African boy's torso was found floating in the Thames.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/torso-of-african-boy-detectives-believe-was-killed-in-a-ritual-sacrifice-before-being-tossed-into-the-thames-is-identified-by-key-witness-8485955.html
If you haven't seen it already there is a Liveleak vid of a Syrian rebel cutting the heart out of a pro Assad soldier and eating it.
Understood, but these are 3rd world savages. Japan was a 1st world, Imperial, industrial power at the time, which is what makes it harder for me to comprehend.
The rest of us will be living in space colonies and the Middle East and portions of Africa will still be wiping their ass with sticks. :)
Ned Christiansen
03-05-14, 15:41
Flyboys -- the one book I ever read where I had to stop reading it during lunch. Great book though and honest about us not being lilly-white either.
So I got a copy of Horror in the East, I'll just pass it on to whoever wants it but can't ship until late next week. Contact me by Email.
Absolutely agree.
That we allowed Hirohito to retain his throne, whatever the geopolitical reasons, is a crime against humanity. He should've been strung up to the nearest tree and left there, for all to see.
The book "Flyboys" was my first foray into the cannibalism aspect of the atrocities committed by IJ troops. In that book, however, they were only eating enemy organs & flesh, although brief mention was made of it occurring in China and other theaters. Evidently, the liver was prized by cannibal officers and it was believed you would "absorb" the fighting spirit if your enemy.
Hard to believe this all happened in modern times.
That actually happened to a member of the Doolittle fliers. After he was executed his liver was eaten by a Japanese officer (trying to source the name again but this kind of information was seriously suppressed) and in post war Japan that same officer became a prominent member of the Japanese government known as The Diet.
I can't imagine being the family of that Doolittle flier knowing that somebody not only cannibalized his body and got away with it but then went on to a prominent post war career in government.
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