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http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Suspect-in-custody-abducted-girl-still-missing-246104241.html
If this sicko is guilty, I hope he gets the death penalty. You truly have to be a monster to do something like that to an innocent child, which in my book puts you at the front of the line to go...
And its also a sad f'ing day with a 10yr old cant play in their front yard.
Some people are truly monsters, how sad.
There are a lot more people like that out there. Watch your children closely.
I wish the Father could get 15 mine alone with him in a sound proof room.
BoringGuy45
02-19-14, 10:16
Give him the chair and keep the sponge dry.
I strongly advocate that if your mind is telling you to kidnap, molest and kill a child, you should instead commit suicide. Save the world some trouble and self-destruct, rather than ruin countless lives for your own selfish desires. :(
Nothing will undo that poor girl's death, but lets just hope this was the first and last life he's ruined.
I know we are "over protective" of our kids.
But with evil people like this out there it needs to be done.
So sad
It bugs the crap out of me that my kids will never be able to enjoy the freedoms I had growing up.
I feel execution is too nice for him.
I would much much rather be executed than live out the rest of my life in solitary confinement. My only quarrel with this is how much it costs the taxpayers.
So my vote goes give him to dad.
It may not have stopped this guy but these libtard school boards don't do proper background checks. We have a couple of cases here in la-la land (Hilton Head Island). Not murder but other problems with volunteers that had criminal records. GH
Eurodriver
02-19-14, 17:08
It may not have stopped this guy but these libtard school boards don't do proper background checks. We have a couple of cases here in la-la land (Hilton Head Island). Not murder but other problems with volunteers that had criminal records. GH
All he had was a drug bust. The only thing separating him from tons of lawyers and doctors and other productive members of society is that he got caught by a cop with nothing better to do.
The article even says he has no violent record. If you eliminate everyone with a record from working the $10/hr jobs at public schools you'll end up with a bunch of 80 year old white ladies who can't do anything.
It may not have stopped this guy but these libtard school boards don't do proper background checks. We have a couple of cases here in la-la land (Hilton Head Island). Not murder but other problems with volunteers that had criminal records. GH
Not sure what it's like today but when I did security clearance for the school board 20 years ago we got sealed, expunged and juvenile records. Oldest one I ever saw was from 1941 so we pretty much got it all.
The problem is the people who got hired anyway DESPITE the background check. Worst example I ever saw was somebody applying for an Administrator position who indicated on their application they had never been arrested (which generally precludes you from being hired if they find ANYTHING no matter how small).
The local county check (which we did before hire and so we didn't pay for a comprehensive FBI "pictures and prints" check) brought back the following:
Possession of cocaine.
Possession of cocaine with intent to distribute.
Resisting arrest with force.
Assault on a law enforcement officer.
Throwing rocks, dangerous missiles.
At the time of application the charges were all about 5 years old. When the applicant was DQ'd he sent the school board a letter stating he was "born again" and was thus no longer the same person and as a result no longer responsible for the actions of that person. He went on to state that in his "neighborhood" certain attitudes and even actions were required to "fit in and avoid conflict" and he was simply a victim of his circumstances and environment and was now seeking to "actively better himself."
Granted a job that paid about $45k + benefits definitely would have allowed him to "better himself." So due to the letter his application and file went to the school board a second time for arbitration. This is usually where the members pass the file around, chuckle and so "no effin' way" and send it back to with a resolution.
However in this case the applicant "cc'd" Alcee Hasting, a local Congressman and known black advocate. Not sure if even Hastings would have hired this "born again" to take out the garbage but the mere implication of possible intervention by Hastings was enough to make the school board cave and the guy was hired.
Had a few other similar WTF moments where bullshit ruled the day during my time on the job and eventually I found someplace else to work.
All he had was a drug bust. The only thing separating him from tons of lawyers and doctors and other productive members of society is that he got caught by a cop with nothing better to do.
The article even says he has no violent record. If you eliminate everyone with a record from working the $10/hr jobs at public schools you'll end up with a bunch of 80 year old white ladies who can't do anything.
I'd like to think that I, and everyone like me, would at least be ahead of him in the line when we applied for jobs like that. There are plenty of people like me who have never done drugs.
Moose-Knuckle
02-19-14, 17:50
Why do parents of small children leave them unattended, seriously WTF?! Do they think they live in ****'n Mayberry, argh!
Why would ANYONE in trust that POS to work around kids, clean record or not the guy looks like a gas station bathroom attendant. At this point in time the best thing for society is for him to go to county, housed in gen pop, and become a HIV postive BBC holster.
Why do parents of small children leave them unattended, seriously WTF?! Do they think they live in ****'n Mayberry, argh!
At 10 years old I could play unattended in my own front yard. When my father was that age he and his friends would go camping for the weekend with no adults anywhere.
I watch my 12 year old like a hawk, but I'm still scared to death that something like this could happen to her. Her mother wants to let her walk the dog around the neighborhood, and I cannot seem to convincer her (even in a nice neighborhood) that this is a bad idea. I would not survive if something like this happened to her, cause I'd die trying to kill the POS that hurt her...it's a very viseral feeling that I couldn't explain or feel until I held her the first time.
I watch my 12 year old like a hawk, but I'm still scared to death that something like this could happen to her. Her mother wants to let her walk the dog around the neighborhood, and I cannot seem to convincer her (even in a nice neighborhood) that this is a bad idea. I would not survive if something like this happened to her, cause I'd die trying to kill the POS that hurt her...it's a very viseral feeling that I couldn't explain or feel until I held her the first time.
I understand the concern.
But at 10 years of age I was constantly playing in the front yard, climbing trees and cruising my "ungated" neighborhood on a skateboard or bicycle. At any time some predatory shitbag could have come along in a van and nabbed me without too much trouble.
But with that risk in mind, I wouldn't trade my childhood for any other and I'm glad I wasn't confined indoors or under constant adult supervision. Learning how to look after myself then just a little bit, even with all the risks involved, taught me how to be self reliant later.
Moose-Knuckle
02-19-14, 18:48
At 10 years old I could play unattended in my own front yard. When my father was that age he and his friends would go camping for the weekend with no adults anywhere.
Same with me, but it is a different world now. These savage ****'s has always been around, its just more prevalent in this day in age.
Let him drink the Jim Jones Kool-Aide. Make him use his own hands to remove himself from the gene pool. Coward!
Same with me, but it is a different world now. These savage ****'s has always been around, its just more prevalent in this day in age.
I think it varies greatly by time and location. Some places are better than they were 20 years ago, other places are the same or worse.
One of the toughest things in the world to do is to maintain your composure while interviewing someone who committed a crime like this. It will age you quickly.
One of the toughest things in the world to do is to maintain your composure while interviewing someone who committed a crime like this. It will age you quickly.
I always went home and took a shower after a suspect interview, children cases.
Wash the filth away they spewed forth, trying to make themselves sound like a victim.
At 10 years old I could play unattended in my own front yard. When my father was that age he and his friends would go camping for the weekend with no adults anywhere.
I was in the same boat. I roamed my neighborhood in Houston with no real worries. Biggest thing to concern myself with was getting home in time for dinner and not getting run over. Times have changed or maybe just awareness levels have done so. I would never let my son play unsupervised anywhere today.
These dingbats have always been around, it just seems that these days we do more to protect them than ourselves. Totally screwed up priorities for our society.
One of the toughest things in the world to do is to maintain your composure while interviewing someone who committed a crime like this. It will age you quickly.
I don't think I could do it. Eventually I'd be doing time for serving up some "justice now."
I was in the same boat. I roamed my neighborhood in Houston with no real worries. Biggest thing to concern myself with was getting home in time for dinner and not getting run over. Times have changed or maybe just awareness levels have done so. I would never let my son play unsupervised anywhere today.
These dingbats have always been around, it just seems that these days we do more to protect them than ourselves. Totally screwed up priorities for our society.
I think that is the only real change. That there is a sex offender registry at all is appalling. These people will never stop being sexually attracted to children any more than we could ever stop being attracted to our favorite generation of Playboy playmates. Child predators will never stop being child predators and celibacy is a losing bet for someone who had already demonstrated a low threshold for self control.
These people should never get out of jail...ever. That they simply record where they live is amazing.
One of the toughest things in the world to do is to maintain your composure while interviewing someone who committed a crime like this. It will age you quickly.
I will never understand that. As a lowly patrol deputy, I can "enjoy" the stand off between just transporting or detaining as opposed to interviewing since our detectives are quite good at responding.
While not as crappy as this case, interviewing a few 8 & 10 year olds who tell you in detail what their uncle or neighbor "grandfather" figure did to them can really make you not a happy camper.
Mauser KAR98K
02-20-14, 02:05
I will never understand that. As a lowly patrol deputy, I can "enjoy" the stand off between just transporting or detaining as opposed to interviewing since our detectives are quite good at responding.
While not as crappy as this case, interviewing a few 8 & 10 year olds who tell you in detail what their uncle or neighbor "grandfather" figure did to them can really make you not a happy camper.
Many moons ago when I was in the police academy (2003), our investigation course got into child and elderly abuse, and my folks notice a stark change in my demeanor when I got home. My father said I looked like I was ready to go kill someone.
Eurodriver
02-20-14, 06:29
One of the toughest things in the world to do is to maintain your composure while interviewing someone who committed a crime like this. It will age you quickly.
I've seen interview footage. The LEOs always seem to be very professional - almost too professional. How do you manage that?
"So Mr. Kidnapper, what happened? You said she wanted to get in your van? I think you're lying."
I'd be punching the dude in the face repeatedly even after he confessed.Screw the niceties.
I don't think I could do it. Eventually I'd be doing time for serving up some "justice now."
I think that is the only real change. That there is a sex offender registry at all is appalling. These people will never stop being sexually attracted to children any more than we could ever stop being attracted to our favorite generation of Playboy playmates. Child predators will never stop being child predators and celibacy is a losing bet for someone who had already demonstrated a low threshold for self control.
These people should never get out of jail...ever. That they simply record where they live is amazing.
Just give it 5yrs, then they'll be treated like homosexuals in media. Just accept them for who they are!!! They were born that way, accept it or keep your mouth shut!!!!
Just give the immoral liberal left time...
P.S. Eurodriver, Peace Officers, Law Enforcement, (whatever you want to call them) deal with the scum of the earth on a daily basis (not everyone, but face it they see the 1% a majority of the time). If they could not control themselves there would be way more youtube videos and lawsuits. It aint easy, but self control is 100% required, and those who have a lapse in it usually get sued, fired, and blasted by the majority in this country who believe every cop is a "jack booted thug".
montanadave
02-20-14, 10:16
Just give it 5yrs, then they'll be treated like homosexuals in media. Just accept them for who they are!!! They were born that way, accept it or keep your mouth shut!!!!
Cause they're all the same, right? :rolleyes:
But, sure, WTF. Let's do this again.
I hope no one objects if I pass.
Grand58742
02-20-14, 12:52
http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Suspect-in-custody-abducted-girl-still-missing-246104241.html
If this sicko is guilty, I hope he gets the death penalty. You truly have to be a monster to do something like that to an innocent child, which in my book puts you at the front of the line to go...
And its also a sad f'ing day with a 10yr old cant play in their front yard.
Have to disagree.
Sometimes death is being way too generous for some people.
I've seen interview footage. The LEOs always seem to be very professional - almost too professional. How do you manage that?
"So Mr. Kidnapper, what happened? You said she wanted to get in your van? I think you're lying."
I'd be punching the dude in the face repeatedly even after he confessed.Screw the niceties.
And in the process you'd violate his right on camera and would probably be the reason he is never tried for his crimes. The reason most cops are so careful about "rights of the accused" is that defense lawyers will use anything to get their clients off and NOBODY wants to be the cop who got the serial killer / child molester set free.
I've seen interview footage. The LEOs always seem to be very professional - almost too professional. How do you manage that?
"So Mr. Kidnapper, what happened? You said she wanted to get in your van? I think you're lying."
I'd be punching the dude in the face repeatedly even after he confessed.Screw the niceties.
You have to train yourself to be emotionally detached. You have to block the emotions you felt while watching the autopsy. The more in control you are of your emotions during the interview, the more information the suspect provides you that will build a good court case against them. Your goal is to get them a lengthy prison sentence to prevent the suspect from being released and hurting another child.
These cases should all be death penalty cases with no opportunity to negotiate a plea bargain in criminal court.
SeriousStudent
02-20-14, 21:10
My thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of the murdered girl.
I hope they find strength and comfort.
TriviaMonster
02-21-14, 12:04
I was born and raised in Springfield MO. It was a good place when I grew up there, and we lived in a less nice part of town. Springfield has changed a lot since the housing market bubble popped.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to kill this man around his trial. That poor girl.
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"School employee..."
Wonderful...
Eurodriver
02-21-14, 15:59
These cases should all be death penalty cases with no opportunity to negotiate a plea bargain in criminal court.
Totally agreed.
I've seen interview footage. The LEOs always seem to be very professional - almost too professional. How do you manage that?
"So Mr. Kidnapper, what happened? You said she wanted to get in your van? I think you're lying."
I'd be punching the dude in the face repeatedly even after he confessed. Screw the niceties.
In interview/interrogation training, you're taught to not let your emotions "leak". In some cases, you have to muster up some believable empathy for the subject and get them to feel like you're on their side, that the victim did something to cause the event. In their twisted minds, they are the victim and they want you to understand and agree with them. If you can pull it off, they will often sell themselves down the river. You'd do almost anything to nail the bastard and you know if you screw it up, justice might not get served.
It's just a case where the juice is absolutely worth the squeeze. :(
TriviaMonster
02-23-14, 16:04
Here's the results of the search warrant for Woods' house, including child porn and a spent .22 casing. Caution: grotesque.
http://www.ozarksfirst.com/story/d/story/evidence-in-hailey-owens-murder-outlined/37587/fXWph6PcI0KCy7vyZ3R5Hw
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Moose-Knuckle
02-24-14, 02:24
Here's the results of the search warrant for Woods' house, including child porn and a spent .22 casing. Caution: grotesque.
http://www.ozarksfirst.com/story/d/story/evidence-in-hailey-owens-murder-outlined/37587/fXWph6PcI0KCy7vyZ3R5Hw
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Sounds like this wasn't his first rodeo. Maybe it was his first time to kidnap and murder but considering the items found it leads me to believe that he has done this sort of thing before, got away with it, and is now getting sloppy.
Have to disagree.
Sometimes death is being way too generous for some people.
I agree with you. Death would release him of any real suffering.
When he is convicted and sentenced and he arrives at whatever prison he goes to, there will be a green light on him by other prisoners.
He will have to go to a PC yard but he won't be safe regardless.
He will have to constantly watch his back for a steel or meat shank.
Eurodriver
02-24-14, 07:32
I agree with you. Death would release him of any real suffering.
When he is convicted and sentenced and he arrives at whatever prison he goes to, there will be a green light on him by other prisoners.
He will have to go to a PC yard but he won't be safe regardless.
He will have to constantly watch his back for a steel or meat shank.
Does this actually happen?
I can only hope so...
In school we had to study recidivism as part of rehabilitation. Child molesters are pretty much a guaranteed repeat offender...
Are sex offenses a pretty common thing in Springfield, or above average compared to other cities of comparable size? Ill be moving there in a couple months, hate to put my kids in a school full of chomos...
Check out your future neighbors.
http://www.greenecountymo.org/sheriff/sex_offender/list.php
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