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St.Michael
02-23-14, 10:35
SUp guys,
Title says it. I need to get into some medical training. I have the basics of CPR and Defib use. Took a class over the summer. I know it's basic but hey I gotta start some where. Looked at Dark Angels course and it's a bit much for me right now in price. I was wondering what you guys would recommend to get started with some training. Lots of crazy stories coming out even my area of people having NDs in the public ranges. We also shoot in the middle of no where for our club and first aid is something I really would like to get a leg up on. I personally believe it is just as important as shooting just haven't had the chance to get formal training. Thanks in advance.
ARC or AHA first aid, traveling short GSW/BOK use classes, first aid/CERT training through your local fire/EMS and disaster management folks, First Responder or EMT via the same or at a local ed institution. Start at the bottom and work your way up. The most critical lifesaving skills are the simplest to learn and easiest to master.
Oh, and read these threads and the links within...
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?48352-Essential-medical-training
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?9668-How-important-is-emergency-tactical-medical-training-to-you
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?110544-Medical-classes
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?65686-Training-For-Civilians
St.Michael
02-23-14, 11:13
Nice. Thanks!
The most critical lifesaving skills are the simplest to learn and easiest to master.
This is absolutely true and can't be said enough, especially to those lay persons who feel that they ought to start with a course that teaches them how to treat all means of penetrating trauma.
St.Michael
02-23-14, 12:08
I am not 100% sure about what most of these terms are. I just really want to know what to do should I come across someone in need. I want to be able to do enough so that EMS has time to show up. If that makes any sense.
I am not 100% sure about what most of these terms are. I just really want to know what to do should I come across someone in need. I want to be able to do enough so that EMS has time to show up. If that makes any sense.
Right. Learn the basics of first aid and how to deal with the type of trauma you see most frequently in your day-to-day life. For the vast majority of people outside of war zones or the inner city at 2 AM, that's going to be blunt trauma.
St.Michael
02-23-14, 19:28
I will start reading those threads and put in some calls. Gotta take the wife along too.
ARC or AHA first aid, traveling short GSW/BOK use classes, first aid/CERT training through your local fire/EMS and disaster management folks, First Responder or EMT via the same or at a local ed institution. Start at the bottom and work your way up. The most critical lifesaving skills are the simplest to learn and easiest to master.
Oh, and read these threads and the links within...
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?48352-Essential-medical-training
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?9668-How-important-is-emergency-tactical-medical-training-to-you
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?110544-Medical-classes
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?65686-Training-For-Civilians
Booyah. Spot on.
Begin at the beginning. Take an EMT Basic course. Without the basic Anatomy and Physiology those quickie tactical EMS classes will leave too many gaps. Those are designed for EMT 's and higher who have the basics already. After that you can take advanced Anatomy and Physiology. Once you get into ALS qualifications you'll need to be working in the field to keep up your Con Ed and interventions, but EMT Basic will give you much of what you need.
Begin at the beginning. Take an EMT Basic course. Without the basic Anatomy and Physiology those quickie tactical EMS classes will leave too many gaps. Those are designed for EMT 's and higher who have the basics already. After that you can take advanced Anatomy and Physiology. Once you get into ALS qualifications you'll need to be working in the field to keep up your Con Ed and interventions, but EMT Basic will give you much of what you need.
I disagree. While I'm all about learning everything you can, the EMT/EMT-B course substantially exceeds the level of training that the overwhelming majority of the public needs or can be reasonably expected to benefit from. The time, expense, and testing involved in the class and credential doesn't pass the cost:benefit. Such courses are designed for those operating as rescuers in the pre-hospital care environment, not the lay rescuer. (There's a thread here somewhere in which we discuss this in far greater detail.)
Like I said earlier in the thread, the most critical lifesaving skills are the simplest to learn and easiest to master. You can be taught principles and widgets with which to manage a PTX, pack a wound, and apply a TQ in a 2-4 class. Back that up with adult, child, infant CPR, AED usage, and you are a serious asset to your family and society. That's your starting point.
St.Michael
03-04-14, 20:08
I may be attending the fire academy actually. Which is ironic because I posted this and got the call shortly after. Either way I gotta do something
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Already good advice given and I agree. Start with the EMT basic or first responder stuff. If there is someone local that does TCCC courses then hit that up as well. I don't know your locale but in the Louisville, KY area I know of at least one guy who does a solid training course (T3C).
JaxShooter
03-25-14, 06:53
In an urban environment I don't think it's necessary to learn more than the basics. Help is a phone call and usually just minutes away. I lead group hikes into the woods so I'm wilderness first aid certified and looking to upgrade to first responder next year. It's a little different because it's geared towards dealing with scenarios that occur an hour or more away from standard pre-hospital care. Of course it doesn't deal with GSWs etc. :)
I agree with the others, start with the basics. Contact your local Red Cross group or American heart group and find a first aid course and/or wilderness first aid course. Can also call your local emergency management dept and ask about CERT training.
For a lay person I don't see really any advantage doing much more than that. Certainly wouldn't recommend EMT/medic courses unless of course you will be working or volunteering in the capacity which it sounds like you may end doing as a firefighter.
Even knowing what I know I honestly wouldn't be that useful outside a hospital, though I guess if the equipment/supplies were around I could secure an airway and needle a chest but there wouldn't be much more to do than trying to control bleeding while getting to definitive help.
Thanks for the links. some good reading...
ARC or AHA first aid, traveling short GSW/BOK use classes, first aid/CERT training through your local fire/EMS and disaster management folks, First Responder or EMT via the same or at a local ed institution. Start at the bottom and work your way up. The most critical lifesaving skills are the simplest to learn and easiest to master.
Oh, and read these threads and the links within...
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?48352-Essential-medical-training
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?9668-How-important-is-emergency-tactical-medical-training-to-you
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?110544-Medical-classes
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?65686-Training-For-Civilians
St.Michael
04-14-14, 14:35
Im actually looking into school right now to go get my paramedic and fireschool done
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