James Lovelock Global Warming’s ‘Godfather’ speaks out: Oops, my bad.

[VooDoo6Actual]

http://biasbreakdown.com/2012/06/24/global-warmings-godfather-speaks-out-oops-my-bad/

Lovelock recants:

http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2013/1/25/lovelock-recants.html

"I am an environmentalist and founder member of the Greens but I bow my head in shame at the thought that our original good intentions should have been so misunderstood and misapplied. We never intended a fundamentalist Green movement that rejected all energy sources other than renewable, nor did we expect the Greens to cast aside our priceless ecological heritage because of their failure to understand that the needs of the Earth are not separable from human needs. We need take care that the spinning windmills do not become like the statues on Easter Island, monuments of a failed civilization."

'Gaia' scientist James Lovelock: I was 'alarmist' about climate change
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/04/23/11144098-gaia-scientist-james-lovelock-i-was-alarmist-about-climate-change

The Defections Mount
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/01/the-defections-mount.php


resonate ?
a Lovelock letter 2012
http://www.bishop-hill.net/storage/James%20Lovelock%20Letter.pdf
"How foolish to set two such noble ideas in conflict and arrange that one good intention destroyed the other."


"The Australian Climate Sceptics - Exposing the flaws in the greatest hoax inflicted on the human race."
http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2011/05/weather-makers-re-examined.html

figure it out for those still able too use critical thinking skillsets...

[Koshinn]

"He said human-caused carbon dioxide emissions were driving an increase in the global temperature, but added that the effect of the oceans was not well enough understood and could have a key role.

“It (the sea) could make all the difference between a hot age and an ice age,” he said.

He said he still thought that climate change was happening, but that its effects would be felt farther in the future than he previously thought."

[VooDoo6Actual]

"He pointed to Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” and Tim Flannery’s “The Weather Makers” as other examples of “alarmist” forecasts of the future."

[SteyrAUG]

Won't matter now, man made "climate change" is now irrefutable FACT.

[kwelz]

He is saying the same thing people like myself have been saying. Global warming is a problem. Global warming is in a large part caused by man. However people like Gore and other far left loons only make the issue worse by making the issue divisive instead of proposing practical solutions that involve a gradual shift towards systems that will mitigate the problem. His point is that the Greenies seem to want to get rid of all fossil fuels now, which is not practical and would in fact be harmful to the human race.

[VooDoo6Actual]

Since 'Operation Popeye' the US has been altering weather patterns of course it's going to create Climate Change...

Two different issues. Geo Engineering vs. Earth's Natural Climate Cycles how can you correlate an index when your effecting it by Geo-Engineering ?

Unilateral Geo-Engineering & the Earth's albedo
http://www.cfr.org/content/thinktank/GeoEng_041209.pdf

"There are a variety of strategies, such as injecting light-reflecting particles into the stratosphere, that might be used to modify the Earth’s atmosphere-ocean system in an attempt to slow or reverse global warming. All of these "geoengineering" strategies involve great uncertainty and carry significant risks. They may not work as expected, imposing large unintended consequences on the climate system. While offsetting warming, most strategies are likely to leave other impacts unchecked, such as acidification of the ocean, the destruction of coral reefs, and changes in composition of terrestrial ecosystems. Yet, despite uncertain and very negative potential consequences, geoengineering might be needed to avert or reverse some dramatic change in the climate system, such as several meters of sea level rise that could impose disaster on hundreds of millions of people."

Another good read.
http://www.cfr.org/content/thinktank/GM_CFR_briefing_REV.pdf

Of course here's a favorite that has now been pulled:
"Workshop on Unilateral Planetary-Scale Geoengineering: Geoengineering and the Challenge of Global Governance"
http://www.cfr.org/projects/world/geoengineering-workshop-on-unilateral-planetary-scale-geoengineering/pr1364

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/


here's a small snip it from it:

The conspiracy behind the Anthropogenic Global Warming myth (aka AGW; aka ManBearPig) has been suddenly, brutally and quite deliciously exposed after a hacker broke into the computers at the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (aka CRU) and released 61 megabytes of confidential files onto the internet. (Hat tip: Watts Up With That)
When you read some of those files – including 1079 emails and 72 documents – you realise just why the boffins at CRU might have preferred to keep them confidential. As Andrew Bolt puts it, this scandal could well be "the greatest in modern science". These alleged emails – supposedly exchanged by some of the most prominent scientists pushing AGW theory – suggest:
Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organised resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more.
One of the alleged emails has a gentle gloat over the death in 2004 of John L Daly (one of the first climate change sceptics, founder of the Still Waiting For Greenhouse site), commenting:
"In an odd way this is cheering news."
But perhaps the most damaging revelations – the scientific equivalent of the Telegraph's MPs' expenses scandal – are those concerning the way Warmist scientists may variously have manipulated or suppressed evidence in order to support their cause.
Here are a few tasters.
Manipulation of evidence:
I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.
Private doubts about whether the world really is heating up:
The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.
Suppression of evidence:
Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4?
Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment – minor family crisis.
Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new email address.
We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.
Fantasies of violence against prominent Climate Sceptic scientists:
Next
time I see Pat Michaels at a scientific meeting, I’ll be tempted to beat
the crap out of him. Very tempted.
Attempts to disguise the inconvenient truth of the Medieval Warm Period (MWP):
……Phil and I have recently submitted a paper using about a dozen NH records that fit this category, and many of which are available nearly 2K back–I think that trying to adopt a timeframe of 2K, rather than the usual 1K, addresses a good earlier point that Peck made w/ regard to the memo, that it would be nice to try to “contain” the putative “MWP”, even if we don’t yet have a hemispheric mean reconstruction available that far back….
And, perhaps most reprehensibly, a long series of communications discussing how best to squeeze dissenting scientists out of the peer review process. How, in other words, to create a scientific climate in which anyone who disagrees with AGW can be written off as a crank, whose views do not have a scrap of authority.
“This was the danger of always criticising the skeptics for not publishing in the “peer-reviewed literature”. Obviously, they found a solution to that–take over a journal! So what do we do about this? I think we have to stop considering “Climate Research” as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board…What do others think?”
“I will be emailing the journal to tell them I’m having nothing more to do with it until they rid themselves of this troublesome editor.”“It results from this journal having a number of editors. The responsible one for this is a well-known skeptic in NZ. He has let a few papers through by Michaels and Gray in the past. I’ve had words with Hans von Storch about this, but got nowhere. Another thing to discuss in Nice !”
Hadley CRU has form in this regard. In September – I wrote the story up here as "How the global warming industry is based on a massive lie" - CRU's researchers were exposed as having "cherry-picked" data in order to support their untrue claim that global temperatures had risen higher at the end of the 20th century than at any time in the last millenium. CRU was also the organisation which – in contravention of all acceptable behaviour in the international scientific community – spent years withholding data from researchers it deemed unhelpful to its cause. This matters because CRU, established in 1990 by the Met Office, is a government-funded body which is supposed to be a model of rectitude. Its HadCrut record is one of the four official sources of global temperature data used by the IPCC.
I asked in my title whether this will be the final nail in the coffin of Anthropenic Global Warming. This was wishful thinking, of course. In the run up to Copenhagen, we will see more and more hysterical (and grotesquely exaggerated) stories such as this in the Mainstream Media. And we will see ever-more-virulent campaigns conducted by eco-fascist activists, such as this risible new advertising campaign by Plane Stupid showing CGI polar bears falling from the sky and exploding because kind of, like, man, that's sort of what happens whenever you take another trip on an aeroplane.
The world is currently cooling; electorates are increasingly reluctant to support eco-policies leading to more oppressive regulation, higher taxes and higher utility bills; the tide is turning against Al Gore's Anthropogenic Global Warming theory. The so-called "sceptical" view – which is some of us have been expressing for quite some time: see, for example, the chapter entitled 'Barbecue the Polar Bears' in WELCOME TO OBAMALAND: I'VE SEEN YOUR FUTURE AND IT DOESN'T WORK – is now also, thank heaven, the majority view.


correlation does NOT equal / imply causation....

Take your Limbic brain out & put your Cortex brain in & put the pieces together...

[SteyrAUG]

He is saying the same thing people like myself have been saying. Global warming is a problem. Global warming is in a large part caused by man. However people like Gore and other far left loons only make the issue worse by making the issue divisive instead of proposing practical solutions that involve a gradual shift towards systems that will mitigate the problem. His point is that the Greenies seem to want to get rid of all fossil fuels now, which is not practical and would in fact be harmful to the human race.

Global warming, global cooling and climate change have been part of the Earth cycles long before man ever arrived. We don't know for a fact that we are changing the climate one way or another. For all we know fossil fuels have put off that ice age we were warned about 40 years ago.

1973

http://thetruthpeddler.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/big-freeze.jpg

1977

http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/4/0/0/9/5/a4334152-136-time-magazine-ice-age-global-warming.gif?d=1318120373

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-J42tQc488AM/UTC3V9iWnrI/AAAAAAAAAq4/rt0JhvTCEaI/s1600/The+Big+Freeze.jpg

[Koshinn]

Sounds like planetary engineering if done intentionally.

Building better worlds.

[kwelz]

Global warming, global cooling and climate change have been part of the Earth cycles long before man ever arrived. We don't know for a fact that we are changing the climate one way or another. For all we know fossil fuels have put off that ice age we were warned about 40 years ago.

1977

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2013/06/Time_Covoer_April_9_2007_1101070409_400.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-J42tQc488AM/UTC3V9iWnrI/AAAAAAAAAq4/rt0JhvTCEaI/s1600/The+Big+Freeze.jpg

This has been addressed time and time again. Yes the climate has indeed changed throughout history. However it has never changed with the speed that it has recently and we do indeed know that it is happening.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/upsDownsGlobalWarming.html

We have also covered the claim that scientists warned of an ice age in the 70s. Even then the majority of scientists even then were talking about temperatures increasing. Less than 10% thought there was going to be cooling, and they were pretty quickly proven wrong.

[thopkins22]

He is saying the same thing people like myself have been saying. Global warming is a problem.

Why?

It's an overstated problem at most. The only people it could potentially be a real problem for are people who already have problems we aren't addressing. Want to end human suffering? Supply more people with more energy regardless of where it comes from.

Want to create a panic to drive up the stock of shitty companies with far larger profit margins than the fossil fuel industry? Do what you've been doing.

Want to deride more people for saying that it's not very well understood? Want to tell me that "scientists" are in 97% agreement without qualifying just who the hell these people are and what makes them qualified to speak? Want to completely ignore how they write successful grant proposals? Want to ignore what industries fund their research? We're doing a fine job of those things.

Is efficiency a good thing? Of course. Is eliminating waste a good thing? Sometimes. Is there anything to be afraid of? Hell no.


Many modern environmentalists are unwitting eugenicists. There's nothing to be afraid of. Life is better on planet earth than at any point in human history. This is what we'd be sacrificing for misused and poorly understood science. It has nothing to do with turning out the lights when you leave the room or walking instead of driving. Those are bullshit suggestions for people that want to feel good about themselves. If we're to accept that it's a problem(and a reversible one,) the solution would be to leave the world in a position where millions upon millions starve. Where the developing world doesn't get the benefits of clean running water. A world that would need a significant portion of the populace to die off, and for the rest of us to give up much of our lives.

The conclusion of this is unfathomably immoral.

[SteyrAUG]

This has been addressed time and time again. Yes the climate has indeed changed throughout history. However it has never changed with the speed that it has recently and we do indeed know that it is happening.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/upsDownsGlobalWarming.html

We have also covered the claim that scientists warned of an ice age in the 70s. Even then the majority of scientists even then were talking about temperatures increasing. Less than 10% thought there was going to be cooling, and they were pretty quickly proven wrong.

I'd like to see your evidence for that, that we know this is the fastest earth climate change in all of history. And then I'd like you to prove man is causing it with fossil fuels.

The BIGGEST greenhouse gases are water vapor and CO2. Fossil fuels produce carbon monoxide (CO) not CO2. Mammals that EXHALE produce CO2 so if we want to reduce our "carbon footprint" we need to stop breathing.

If there truly IS a man made influence on the eco system it is that we have bred in such large numbers that we are exhaling a tremendous amount of CO2, just as the Earth was once an oxygen rich environment because of all the prokaryotes with no mammals to use the oxygen they produced.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geological_history_of_oxygen

[SeriousStudent]

Guys - a friendly FYI.

We had a climate change thread earlier in GD. It went sideways. People got personal, and the thread got locked.

If you want to talk about the same topic again, remember that - talk about the topic.

Again, this a friendly heads up. And let's keep it friendly, please.

[lunchbox]

Ohh thank you!! Two gifts in one night- Piers Morgan getting walking papers and now this:D. Sending this to everybody on my Email contact list. esp my hippie liberal in laws :dance3:.

[VooDoo6Actual]

Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore told a Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, “There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth’s atmosphere over the past 100 years.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/02/27/Greenpeace-Founder-No-Scientific-Proof-for-Global-Warming

"Moreover, the Canadian ecologist, who was a member of Greenpeace from 1971-86, admitted that Greenpeace intentionally used faulty computer models and scare tactics in promoting claims man-made gases are heating up the planet. More told the Senate committee that he decided to leave Greenpeace because it was more concerned with politics than it was with the environment."

[markm]

Global Warming was captured perfectly in the SouthPark episode where the morons are walking down the street in Parkas, freezing to death... despite the fact that the temperature was above freezing.

Rush Limbaugh nailed it best when he asked... "what happened to Acid Rain?" Remember that lunatic fantasy from the early 80s? Another bullshit scare tactic. I remember believing that shit as a kid.

[VooDoo6Actual]

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/02/time-to-push-back-against-the-global-warming-nazis/



Global Warming was captured perfectly in the SouthPark episode where the morons are walking down the street in Parkas, freezing to death... despite the fact that the temperature was above freezing.

Rush Limbaugh nailed it best when he asked... "what happened to Acid Rain?" Remember that lunatic fantasy from the early 80s? Another bullshit scare tactic. I remember believing that shit as a kid.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/Mobile%20Uploads/photo_zpsff2b3a0c.jpg (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/teehee321/media/Mobile%20Uploads/photo_zpsff2b3a0c.jpg.html)