View Full Version : Recommend a good 200+ yard flat top upper for coyotes
My brother has 10 acres fenced off with cattle, goats and a horse. His land backs up to the Sabine river between Texas and Louisiana. There is this buffer zone of protected wetlands between the back of his property and the river. It is several hundred yards from the back of his property to the river. Some of the wetlands is open field, some is densely wooded.
The term "protected" means nobody can build on the land. Not that the coyotes are protected, just the land is protected from development.
Coyotes have moved into that area and are getting too close to his livestock. Coyotes are seen on a semi-regular basis between the back of the field and the woodline. Right now my brother is using a bolt action 308 which he has used to take down several coyotes. He wants to replace that 308 with a 223 as his main predator gun.
He wants a flattop with no front sight, strictly for a scope.
I found a CMMG 18 inch bull barrel, but CMMG does not seem to have a good reputation.
PSA has this one on sale for $399 - http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/psa-16-m4-premium-ss12g2-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html
We would like to keep the budget say maybe around $700 or less for the upper.
What are some of the good options are out there?
Shit... for just 200 yards, you don't need anything magical. The better focus would be on good ammo.
I agree on passing on CMMG's hit and miss crap. That PSA upper would probably be just fine.
Shit... for just 200 yards, you don't need anything magical. The better focus would be on good ammo.
From his backdoor to the woodline I would estimate at around 200 yards. That is just a rough estimate. It could be 175 yards, maybe 250 yards. I have never walked the distance with him.
I am pretty sure the shots will be say 100 - a little over 200 yards.
One coyote that was in my brothers front yard. He was shot with a 22 magnum at maybe 50 yards. Other coyotes have been shot with his 308 winchester.
My brother wants something to fill the gap between the 22 magnum and the 308, and something his wife can shoot.
Yeah... that's not too bad at all. Just get a 100 yard zero, some accurate ammo, and let em have it.
polymorpheous
02-27-14, 08:33
BCM SS410 upper receiver group.
They have several configurations in stock.
You don't need anything special. I've taken my 16" carbine out past 300 yards with a 4 minute Aimpoint, or even the iron sights. Just get a good lightweight or lighter weight profile barrel and free float tube with a good, simple optic. A 2-x7, 3-9x or 3.5-10x or something similar will be plenty. A chromelined barrel will work fine but if you're worried about accuracy, a stainless steel barrel works good. I have a 16" stainless steel middy I got from PSA that would work great with a scope
Just a couple of options-
16" Chrome lined, FF tube $400 on sale-
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/psa-16-m4-premium-ss12g2-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html
http://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/269x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/3/1/310130227_dd.jpg
16" hammer forged stainless, FF tube $600
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/psa-16-chf-stainless-steel-5-56-1-7-lw-ssk12-upper-without-bcg-or-ch.html
http://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/269x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/3/9/39778_1.jpg
At that distance any of the above mentioned options would be fine.
You're just a bit shy on the new KMR uppers from BCM, but that might eat into the budget for glass and ammo.
The right rounds will be almost more important than the upper (you could take shots at 150 with irons). Does your brother (or do you) reload?
I presume that since you're only seeking an upper that there's a lower (and by extension, an upper, too) already in-hand? if so (?), he's probably better off upgrading that with a target trigger, a FF forearm and a good low-light scope than trying to get an accurized upper for $700.
for that relatively close range and limited number of shots, a bull barrel isn't necessary and will really put the wife off due to the considerable weight.
I think you're going to have a real challenge finding a *complete*, accurized upper (with BCG & CH as well as ss/chf bbl and ff forearm) in that price range.
for $700, you're really looking at a RRA, DPMS, Wyndham, Bushmaster setup. Now, those are fine for predator control (my RRA Varmint has yet to have a problem other than choking on a couple of rounds of Wolf steel case), but are lacking the workmanship and more durable (and more expensive) milspec components that give an AR Glock-like dependability for SD/HD/Duty.
As MarkM points out, top shelf ammo is probably just as important as anything else. Don't forget to use hunting rounds like Fed Fusion or Hornady SST.
A Colt 6920 out of the box would hit coyotes at those distances. Worry about some good ammo maybe something with magnification.
Damn! I was hoping for a reply of "this isn't Ihuntcoyotes.net" from Gunz.
A Colt 6920 out of the box would hit coyotes at those distances. Worry about some good ammo maybe something with magnification.
Like markm, it was not what I expected you to say but, an excellent recommendation.
Nothing fancy is required. 55 grain vmax or the like. 100 meter zero with 2moa dot or 1-4 will slay them out to 200 easy.
http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss307/bigmikestede/coyote.jpg (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/bigmikestede/media/coyote.jpg.html)
Nothing fancy is required. 55 grain vmax or the like. 100 meter zero with 2moa dot or 1-4 will slay them out to 200 easy.
Outstanding, thank you.
I wanted to update this thread with what my brother went with.
I told him to subscribe to the palmetto state armory mailing list. A few weeks later a 16 inch hammer forged upper, midlength with rail went on sale. The price without BCG or charging handle was around $389.
He brought the upper over to my house, I gave him a spare lower I had, bolt carrier and charging handle. Then we went shooting.
Talk about sweet. The weight of the rail along with that midlength gas system makes for very little recoil. It is going to perfect for what he is doing.
The upper was like this one, but with a midlength gas system,
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/barreled-upper-assemblies/psa/5-56-nato-223/16/psa-16-m4-premium-ss12g2-without-bcg-or-charging-handle-1.html
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.5 Copyright © 2024 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.