Mexicans threaten white kids wearing American flag t-shirts - School bans t-shirts [Archive]

Eurodriver

03-01-14, 08:01

To make it worse the court then agrees with the school's decision to ban American flag t-shirts.

The last paragraph summarizes it better than I can.

The court ruling appears to be on firm ground because of legal precedent, but blogging about the case, Eugene Volokh, a professor of law at UCLA and specialist in free speech, says it's about far more than T-shirts and that there are some serious issues at stake. "This is a classic 'heckler's veto' — thugs threatening to attack the speaker, and government officials suppressing the speech to prevent such violence," he wrote. "The school taught its students a simple lesson: If you dislike speech and want it suppressed, then you can get what you want by threatening violence against the speakers."

I understand the logic behind the court's decision, but there is a deeper issue that is obviously not being discussed (Why isn't anyone disciplining the kids threatening to "beat up" and "f--- up" kids wearing American flag t-shirts?)

http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/court-okays-high-school-ban-american-flag-t-172900062.html

HD1911

03-01-14, 08:23

Good ol' Merrica. Gotta love it.

This should come of no surprise to anyone.

montanadave

03-01-14, 08:33

I remember this case. Total bullshit. If the school administration's goal was to prevent any violence, they should have made every kid wearing a flag shirt, Mexican or American, turn it inside out. And those threatening violence should have been tossed out on their ear . . . and into the waiting arms of local law enforcement.

For those who want to argue that any kid in the U.S. should be allowed to wear a flag shirt any damn day they please, I would simply suggest that, in this case, the kids choosing to wear a U.S. flag shirt on this particular day were doing it simply to provoke a reaction and incite a confrontation. Further, flag etiquette frowns on wearing the U.S. flag as apparel, except as a patch on properly uniformed personnel.

Irish

03-01-14, 08:58

For those who want to argue that any kid in the U.S. should be allowed to wear a flag shirt any damn day they please, I would simply suggest that, in this case, the kids choosing to wear a U.S. flag shirt on this particular day were doing it simply to provoke a reaction and incite a confrontation.

If she wouldn't have been wearing that short skirt…

discreet

03-01-14, 09:30

I Further, flag etiquette frowns on wearing the U.S. flag as apparel, except as a patch on properly uniformed personnel.

I hope your not serious. Remember who those uniformed personnel serve.

montanadave

03-01-14, 09:47

I hope your not serious. Remember who those uniformed personnel serve.

I am and I do.

Flag Etiquette - Official U.S. Flag Code

The following laws and regulations were amended July 7, 1976, by the 94th Congress of the United States. The following sets forth the existing rules, customs and etiquette pertaining to the display and use of the flag of the United States of America.

(excerpt from section 4)

d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However' a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart. (https://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf)

I acknowledge there is a distinction to be drawn between the flag and a representation of the flag on s shirt, but it's a gray area in my opinion.

I display the American flag in front of my home . . . on a pole . . . properly illuminated at night.

Irish

03-01-14, 10:08

I acknowledge there is a distinction to be drawn between the flag and a representation of the flag on s shirt, but it's a gray area in my opinion.

Seriously? Who gives a flying ****? They're American kids wearing t-shirts, in America, with an American flag on them. I say good for them!

Those Mexicans, and their sympathizers, can eat a fat baby's dick and get the **** out of my country.

sadmin

03-01-14, 10:20

How do they feel about a TX flag? Hey Anti-American Mexicans! I'm all up in your base...and it's really nice. Jerks

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montanadave

03-01-14, 10:22

Seriously? Who gives a flying ****? They're American kids wearing t-shirts, in America, with an American flag on them. I say good for them!

Those Mexicans, and their sympathizers, can eat a fat baby's dick and get the **** out of my country.

Let's dial it back a bit.

I don't have a big problem with kids wearing a shirt with the American flag on it. And I really don't have a problem with hispanic kids wearing a shirt with the Mexican flag on it. Or folks wearing a shirt with the Irish flag on St. Paddy's day. :)

But, in this case, both groups were wearing their respective "colors" as a provocation to the other and the school administration did what they felt necessary to ease the tensions. I don't necessarily agree with the manner in which they sought to resolve the potentially incendiary situation but, once they decided on this particular course of action, they should have enforced it equally. Fair enough?

HD1911

03-01-14, 10:24

I'm just finding it Repulsive, that the American Flag, has to compete with another Country's Flag... right here in America.

Irish

03-01-14, 10:44

Let's dial it back a bit.
Sorry. This BS happens every year and I do get heated about the subject.

I don't have a big problem with kids wearing a shirt with the American flag on it. And I really don't have a problem with hispanic kids wearing a shirt with the Mexican flag on it. Or folks wearing a shirt with the Irish flag on St. Paddy's day. :)
I'm with you, except the Micks. ;)

But, in this case, both groups were wearing their respective "colors" as a provocation to the other and the school administration did what they felt necessary to ease the tensions. I don't necessarily agree with the manner in which they sought to resolve the potentially incendiary situation but, once they decided on this particular course of action, they should have enforced it equally. Fair enough?
They don't enforce it equally and that's the problem. The American flag is verboten while the Mexican flag can be worn without problem.

Again, saying they're wearing it to provoke someone into action and blaming them is the same thing as saying a guy couldn't control himself because the woman wore too short of a skirt and provoked the guy into raping her.

Time to shutdown the computer for today… Time for exercise, fresh air and family time rather than raising my blood pressure unnecessarily.

R0N

03-01-14, 11:36

To see the American flag as a provocation for anything while inside the US gives the impression that those offended don't understand they are in the US.

CarlosDJackal

03-01-14, 11:57

I am and I do.

Flag Etiquette - Official U.S. Flag Code

The following laws and regulations were amended July 7, 1976, by the 94th Congress of the United States. The following sets forth the existing rules, customs and etiquette pertaining to the display and use of the flag of the United States of America.

(excerpt from section 4)

d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However' a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart. (https://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf)

I acknowledge there is a distinction to be drawn between the flag and a representation of the flag on s shirt, but it's a gray area in my opinion.

I display the American flag in front of my home . . . on a pole . . . properly illuminated at night.

I guess that trumps everyone's First Amendment Rights to express their love for their County. Oh wait, IT DOESN'T!!

.46caliber

03-01-14, 12:04

I don't know when or why our society started letting kids off the hook simply because they're not legal adults.

Perhaps my little microcosm growing up was atypical.

Why not address the pot-stirrers for being pot-stirrers instead of addressing flag apparel because it was worn by pot-stirrers? Bass ackwards.

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Big A

03-01-14, 12:15

I still do not understand why May 5th or March 17th are celebrated in this country....

MountainRaven

03-01-14, 13:19

I'm just finding it Repulsive, that the American Flag, has to compete with another Country's Flag... right here in America.

California is part of the US?

:jester:

ABNAK

03-01-14, 14:40

To see the American flag as a provocation for anything while inside the US gives the impression that those offended don't understand they are in the US.

Or, more importantly, don't care that they are in the U.S. :angry:

Chameleox

03-01-14, 15:11

I still do not understand why May 5th or March 17th are celebrated in this country....

Because my kids were born on March 17th. Why the rest of you are celebratin', I don't know. ;)

The rage these days is to go after inanimate objects and things, versus the behavior/choices or individuals.

SteyrAUG

03-01-14, 15:12

I am and I do.

Flag Etiquette - Official U.S. Flag Code

The following laws and regulations were amended July 7, 1976, by the 94th Congress of the United States. The following sets forth the existing rules, customs and etiquette pertaining to the display and use of the flag of the United States of America.

(excerpt from section 4)

d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However' a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart. (https://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf)

I acknowledge there is a distinction to be drawn between the flag and a representation of the flag on s shirt, but it's a gray area in my opinion.

I display the American flag in front of my home . . . on a pole . . . properly illuminated at night.

That applies to an actual flag, not a t shirt with an image of a flag on it.

Moose-Knuckle

03-02-14, 05:57

One hundred and seventy eight years ago to the day, my ancestors along with countless others defeated Mexico in the Texas War of Independence.

Had the above happend to me while I was in school I would have an attorney at the ready, wear a "Remember the Alamo" t-shirt, and burned Mexican flags all the day long in the public domain.

More threats/hate crimes against whites that our dear AG Holder and POTUS allow.

Happy Independence Day TEXAS . . . **** Mexico

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/AKS-74/Gonzales_Flag.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/AKS-74/media/Gonzales_Flag.jpg.html)

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/AKS-74/goliad.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/AKS-74/media/goliad.jpg.html)

SteyrAUG

03-02-14, 17:38

prosecute offenders under hate crime statues....

Completely agree...but it will never happen.

Kain

03-02-14, 18:12

Here is a thought; Uniforms. That way everyone is equally uncomfortable. Will promote solidarity. But seriously, with the amount of shit you see with this making them all wear uniforms will cut down on this shit. And if anyone argues claim it will make it harder to conceal weapons, at least for the males :rolleyes:, and help everyone's self esteem since their is going to be less dick measuring on who has whatever the hell jeans, shirts, or whatever. Think of the children.

Bolt_Overide

03-03-14, 07:14

prosecute offenders under hate crime statues....

Agreed, but it will never happen. Minorities can do whatever the **** they want and its never racism.

Here is a thought; Uniforms. That way everyone is equally uncomfortable. Will promote solidarity. But seriously, with the amount of shit you see with this making them all wear uniforms will cut down on this shit. And if anyone argues claim it will make it harder to conceal weapons, at least for the males :rolleyes:, and help everyone's self esteem since their is going to be less dick measuring on who has whatever the hell jeans, shirts, or whatever. Think of the children.

Agree, went to catholic school, uniforms did just that. Individualism RE clothing is irrelevant to a learning environment.

streck

03-03-14, 07:27

Further, flag etiquette frowns on wearing the U.S. flag as apparel, except as a patch on properly uniformed personnel.

A graphic or image of the flag on an article of clothing is not the same as wearing a flag as clothing. It is strange that you can see that...

I acknowledge there is a distinction to be drawn between the flag and a representation of the flag on s shirt, but it's a gray area in my opinion.

Your opinion is not in line with the regulation.

montanadave

03-03-14, 09:03

Your opinion is not in line with the regulation.

As I previously stated, it's a gray area for me and others are free to do whatever they are comfortable with.

Again, in this particular situation, I think the school administrators were in error and, once they chose a course of action (albeit one I disagree with but can understand, in that their short-term goal was to avert an escalation of violence), they should have enforced it equally and disciplined those students threatening and/or inciting violent behavior.