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user
03-16-14, 16:29
Question guys, how do the pro's stake the gas keys so well?

I thought it was with the brownells tool, so I bought one to give it a go.

It does it, but not so hot. It leaves burrs. It's going back.

I looked at one Grant did and one BCM does and they look great and quick and easy?

Do they use the MOACS or what?

Thanks guys.
ABNAK
03-16-14, 17:18
I surmise that many have the MOACKS. I have one and it works like a charm.
Eurodriver
03-16-14, 17:27
A properly setup vice/rest, BFH, and a punch will stake a gas key in seconds.
wahoo95
03-16-14, 20:34
The "burrs" you refer to most likely won't affect function.....unless you overstaked the hell out of it.
Iraqgunz
03-16-14, 23:14
BCM uses something that is designed specifically to stake and costs more than the average person makes in a year.
Robb Jensen
03-17-14, 05:26
Burrs are also a result of the quality do the carrier key itself. Some cheaper keys will crack a small peace if metal at the stakes. Better ones will deform properly. Carrier key hardness varies a lot from one manufacturer to another.
markm
03-17-14, 08:08
The brownells tool has very pointy stake tips. I've looked at one. Softening the tips on that thing would go a long way in widening the stake dimples, and increasing fastener head contact.
squid8286
03-17-14, 08:49
A MOACKS tool works very well, and will pay for itself in short order if you have a lot of keys to stake.
scottryan
03-17-14, 13:31
The correct approach is to shitcan the questionable carrier on a classified ad board and buy a new replacement from a reputable company.
scottryan
03-17-14, 13:33
A MOACKS tool works very well, and will pay for itself in short order if you have a lot of keys to stake.

How can someone "have a lot of keys to stake" ???

I have never gotten this. Nearly all carriers come with a factory staked key. Someone has to go out of their way to buy one without a key.
Jaysop
03-17-14, 13:48
BCM uses something that is designed specifically to stake and costs more than the average person makes in a year.

Wasn't there a vid from them showing them staking carrier keys? It looked like a simple table top tool that was hand operated. How can that possibly cost that much?
black22rifle
03-17-14, 13:53
The tool itself is chrome lined, HP/MPI, c158 :laugh:
Iraqgunz
03-17-14, 13:55
Because its not some homemade contraption. And because Paul told me when I worked out there in summer of 2012.


Wasn't there a vid from them showing them staking carrier keys? It looked like a simple table top tool that was hand operated. How can that possibly cost that much?
quaesitor logica
03-17-14, 18:24
BCM uses something that is designed specifically to stake and costs more than the average person makes in a year.

Thats nuts, a $30k staking machine?
squid8286
03-18-14, 13:27
How can someone "have a lot of keys to stake" ???

I have never gotten this. Nearly all carriers come with a factory staked key. Someone has to go out of their way to buy one without a key.

My point (again) is that if you do have to stake them, the MOACKS works very well.
CrazyFingers
03-18-14, 13:34
The tool itself is chrome lined, HP/MPI, c158 :laugh:

Funny thing is, the tool itself is not staked. :eek:
Ryno12
03-18-14, 13:50
Funny thing is, the tool itself is not staked. :eek:

Probably not flexible enough to go stake himself.

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jerrysimons
03-18-14, 18:37
Ned Christiansen built a hydraulic staking machine for RCA

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?120946-new-BCG-company&p=1671745#post1671745
Quiet Riot
03-18-14, 19:56
Thats nuts, a $30k staking machine?

Easily justifiable if it:
- reduces labor cost
- reduces product damage
- reduces downtime due to broken tools
- reduces customer service issues
- etc.

Paul is a very astute businessman, so I'm sure he ran the numbers before investing in the tool.
SilverBullet432
03-19-14, 08:20
1:42 on, I have found it.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m_4CskJJxvY
markm
03-19-14, 08:54
In NAM we staked them with our teeth.
user
03-19-14, 09:13
1:42 on, I have found it.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m_4CskJJxvY


Thanks man! That's really cool to see how it's done by the pro's. That explains it!
montanadave
03-19-14, 09:38
In NAM we staked them with our teeth.

I was gonna call bullshit but then I checked your profile pic:

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SilverBullet432
03-19-14, 14:16
Thanks man! That's really cool to see how it's done by the pro's. That explains it!

Im assuming thats what that device was being used for, but it doesnt seem like a $30k machine, maybe they have a hydrualic one now. Thats $$
Pasley
03-19-14, 16:00
I worked as a tool and die maker for many years. We as consumers are spoiled from the benefits of mass production. I would not be surprised if you went to a good shop and asked them to make you a single BCG from scratch it would cost $2,000-3,000, or more.
SilverBullet432
03-19-14, 18:41
I worked as a tool and die maker for many years. We as consumers are spoiled from the benefits of mass production. I would not be surprised if you went to a good shop and asked them to make you a single BCG from scratch it would cost $2,000-3,000, or more.

easy, after engineering costs and all