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Hey look, the Cold War is back. Nice job Obama.
http://nypost.com/2014/03/17/russian-news-agency-head-we-can-bomb-the-us-into-radioactive-ash/
A government-backed Russian TV journalist warned that his country could turn the United States into “radioactive ash” Sunday as the Obama administration threatened action if Russia annexes Crimea in the wake of Sunday’s secession vote.
“Russia is the only country in the world that is realistically capable of turning the United States into radioactive ash,” Dmitry Kiselyov said on his weekly program.
Kiselyov — handpicked by Russian President Vladimir Putin last year to head a new state news agency — made the inflammatory remarks standing in front of a photo of a mushroom cloud.
http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1368823/dmitry-kiselyov-russia-us-nuclear-war.jpg?w=660&h=410&l=50&t=40
This kenyan fukk couldn't be anymore useless as a leader. Can you imagine refiring the Cold War???
I say we give him another nobel peace award
Don Robison
03-18-14, 16:03
They are laughing in his face. The "sanctions" he imposed on the 7 leaders in Russia mean nothing since they have no holdings in the U.S. and Putin's answer to that was to put sanctions on U.S. senator's holding in Russia.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/17/russia-will-sanction-u-s-officials.html
Doc Safari
03-18-14, 16:07
Cold War? Then again maybe Obama's "in on it" since he made that little speech to Medvedev saying he "would be more flexible after the election."
Both Barry and Vlad want the US to have a diminished role in the world.
Comrade Obama is just doing what comes natural to him.
The_War_Wagon
03-18-14, 16:32
This kenyan fukk couldn't be anymore useless as a leader. Can you imagine refiring the Cold War???
I could easily see Obama losing ANY war he set his mind to - including another Cold War. :rolleyes:
so are the folks that said we are wearing tin foil for thinking obama wants to destroy this country still thinking we were wearing tin foil hats ?
and yes he is just a puppet but one the progressives control and want the downfall of the US so he is a huge part if it was not him it would have been another one but he was perfect
or they still think he is just a normal guy
gunrunner505
03-18-14, 17:16
He'll blame Bush and his media paramour will follow along dutifully.
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How does he think Russia would do in a nuclear exchange? Lotta Boomer skippers out there I think would push the button on their own if the Ruskies launched.
I say we give him another nobel peace award
This.
Doc Safari
03-18-14, 17:36
I say we give him another nobel peace award
LOL. I just heard Kerry say, "I voted for Crimea to be part of Russia before I voted against it." :lol:
gunrunner505
03-18-14, 17:56
LOL. I just heard Kerry say, "I voted for Crimea to be part of Russia before I voted against it." :lol:
Yet another feather in the cap of an otherwise horse shit administration. If this is the most transparent in history, I'd hate to see one that sucked.
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Moose-Knuckle
03-18-14, 19:05
Cold War? Then again maybe Obama's "in on it" since he made that little speech to Medvedev saying he "would be more flexible after the election."
Both Barry and Vlad want the US to have a diminished role in the world.
Comrade Obama is just doing what comes natural to him.
Pretty much, he was recruited for this during his college years by the likes of Zbigniew Brzezinski and Bill Ayers, he is doing exactly what he was put into office for.
Magic_Salad0892
03-18-14, 19:07
They have nukes, and we have nukes. However, we have things they don't:
Captain America, Superman, and Rambo.
They have nukes, and we have nukes. However, we have things they don't:
Captain America, Superman, and Rambo.
Chuck Norris ftw?? Que no??
Gee, I dunno.......that dude ever hear of M.A.D? 'Cause after all, we do have a few nukes ourselves.
BoringGuy45
03-18-14, 19:43
Hitler said similar things about us. So did Khrushchev; Ahmadinejad, bin Laden, Hussein, and every member of the Kim family has said that they can and will destroy us. Unless Putin demands Alaska and Obama actually concedes, I wouldn't give a second thought to anything Russia says. They know we can just as easily turn them into ash, probably before they got their birds out of the silos.
They have nukes, and we have nukes. However, we have things they don't:
Captain America, Superman, and Rambo.
Another signature worthy quote....yeah, probably so.
How dare they not fear our leader.
Gee, I dunno.......that dude ever hear of M.A.D? 'Cause after all, we do have a few nukes ourselves.
The issue isn't that the Russians really believe they can nuke us without consequence. The issue is we are returning to the old "this is ****ing scary shit" cold war posture with the Russians. Returning to the days of M.A.D. is not what we need to be doing right now.
This was completely avoidable. Obama and Kerry should have learned from Syria that they haven't got the balls to accomplish anything meaningful and that nobody takes them seriously. This is why Putin felt confident enough to grab the Crimea in the first place.
The issue isn't that the Russians really believe they can nuke us without consequence. The issue is we are returning to the old "this is ****ing scary shit" cold war posture with the Russians. Returning to the days of M.A.D. is not what we need to be doing right now.
This was completely avoidable. Obama and Kerry should have learned from Syria that they haven't got the balls to accomplish anything meaningful and that nobody takes them seriously. This is why Putin felt confident enough to grab the Crimea in the first place.
So what would you suggest? (not that I'm suggesting a return to the Cold War mentality, but sometimes things are unavoidable.....of course Obama's impotence may be a self-fulfilling prophecy)
Couple Putin's apparent desire for a return to the greater Soviet Union and it's former republics with the pathetic administration we currently have and it's not too far-fetched to see a return to Cold War era attitudes. My point being that Putin has some blame too.
Belmont31R
03-19-14, 00:12
Putin is facing the leader the USSR paid to come to office one day...
They have nukes, and we have nukes. However, we have things they don't:
Captain America, Superman, and Rambo.
Checkmate Russia!
If it starts from the beginning, go to 51 seconds.
http://youtu.be/6v1EUQ1bjV4?t=51s
So what would you suggest? (not that I'm suggesting a return to the Cold War mentality, but sometimes things are unavoidable.....of course Obama's impotence may be a self-fulfilling prophecy)
Couple Putin's apparent desire for a return to the greater Soviet Union and it's former republics with the pathetic administration we currently have and it's not too far-fetched to see a return to Cold War era attitudes. My point being that Putin has some blame too.
It's too late for suggestions at this point. Were here, it's happened.
It could have been avoided had Obama not made dire threats of significant consequences if Syria used chemical weapons. Then it was discovered they did indeed use chemical weapons and Obama waffled and John Kerry expressed "strong feelings of objection" but ultimately nothing was done.
Obama largely overplayed his hand and demonstrated to the world that there was little he could do in terms of options available to him and he was prepared to do even less.
Not giving Putin a pass on any of this but he grabbed Georgia back in 2008 and even Bush 43 was smart enough not to make empty threats and put us on something like a Cold War posture with the growing Russian Federation.
Putin strikes me as a complete maniac. I really don't think I'd be surprised if he fully intended to rumble with the West.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/06/world/europe/putin-pulls-off-his-latest-feat-flying-with-migratory-birds.html?_r=0
Never forget.
Putin is the kinda guy when you are in a bar and think you can talk tough and you go up puff your chest he won't talk crap he will just kick the crap out of ya before you know what happens
Nightvisionary
03-19-14, 04:42
How does he think Russia would do in a nuclear exchange? Lotta Boomer skippers out there I think would push the button on their own if the Ruskies launched. I have grave doubts that Obama would authorize a nuclear response. The Two Person Concept in regards to nukes would prevent any sub commander from acting unilaterally.
I'm pretty sure that they cannot do so without authorization from NMCC. Which means that the other key holder would also have the concur.
How does he think Russia would do in a nuclear exchange? Lotta Boomer skippers out there I think would push the button on their own if the Ruskies launched.
The Cold War NEVER ended.
Again... read Brzezinski, the goal to destroy Russia as a nation had never ceased.
All in the public record...
Russian leaders are intellectuals and very well read. The few Russians I know ate also - unlike our population-at-large. They knew about Brzezinski and introduced me to his writings back in undergrad.
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"One cannot awaken a man who pretends to be asleep."
I am not worried about nukes ?
they will say it of course but they won't do that IMHO no way
but they will do other things to screw with us for sure
Crow Hunter
03-19-14, 07:15
Hitler said similar things about us. So did Khrushchev; Ahmadinejad, bin Laden, Hussein, and every member of the Kim family has said that they can and will destroy us. Unless Putin demands Alaska and Obama actually concedes, I wouldn't give a second thought to anything Russia says. They know we can just as easily turn them into ash, probably before they got their birds out of the silos.
Seriously.
Don't give him any ideas.
As scary as this is, I honestly believe that if Putin did that, Obama WOULD.
Doc Safari
03-19-14, 09:10
As scary as this is, I honestly believe that if Putin did that, Obama WOULD.
I wouldn't doubt Obama has already offered the Russians Alaska back. He's giving away control of the internet after all.
The one thing that makes me sleep at night is that Obama is not going to do thing one about Putin's incursion into Crimea or Ukraine and therefore Putin will be too busy invading other Soviet republics to mess with us directly.
brickboy240
03-19-14, 10:16
Didn't Obama poke fun at Mitt Romney during the debates when he suggested that Russia was still a huge problem?
I distinctly remember a snarky remark like, "the 80s called...they want their foreign policy back" followed by laughter from the crowd.
Well...this seems to be a re-run of the old "we will bury you" remark of the Cold War days...is it not?
Who is laughing now?
-brickboy240
Didn't Obama poke fun at Mitt Romney during the debates when he suggested that Russia was still a huge problem?
I distinctly remember a snarky remark like, "the 80s called...they want their foreign policy back" followed by laughter from the crowd.
Well...this seems to be a re-run of the old "we will bury you" remark of the Cold War days...is it not?
Who is laughing now?
-brickboy240
It didn't need to be true, it only needed to appeal to the mush minded ****heads that base their vote on shit like "the first black president".
It also doesn't help that Obama's predecessor was an idiot who proclaimed to the world what a teddy bear Putin was. As far as the general population is concerned, the Cold War is ancient history and Obama's smug, look-down-his-nose-at-you remarks about '80s foreign policy just reinforced that fallacy to the retards that vote for assholes like him.
It did what it was intended to do.
brickboy240
03-19-14, 10:54
Yep...Dubya was an idiot.
Got us into two huge nation building exercises that we could not afford and began the whole bail-out nonsense.
However, I think Putin might have been a tad more scared of Bush than Obama.
-brickboy240
Unless Putin demands Alaska and Obama actually concedes, I wouldn't give a second thought to anything Russia says.
Once Putin gets the worthwhile former Soviet States back under Moscow's controll he will turn his eyes elsewhere, maybe Alaska. Give it a few years.
A Russian band, Lubeh, wrote a song about Russian demanding Alaska back. Apperantly they have plenty red fabrics and can make traditional Russian shirts for all the current Alaskan residents.
Не валяй дурака, Америка.
Не обидим, кому говорят.
Отдавай-ка землицу Алясочку,
Отдавай-ка родимую взад!
U think Alaskapopo will like this?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovorotka
Moose-Knuckle
03-19-14, 17:12
Once Putin gets the worthwhile former Soviet States back under Moscow's controll he will turn his eyes elsewhere, maybe Alaska. Give it a few years.
A Russian band, Lubeh, wrote a song about Russian demanding Alaska back. Apperantly they have plenty red fabrics and can make traditional Russian shirts for all the current Alaskan residents.
Не валяй дурака, Америка.
Не обидим, кому говорят.
Отдавай-ка землицу Алясочку,
Отдавай-ка родимую взад!
U think Alaskapopo will like this?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovorotka
And Mexigo want's CA, AZ, NM, and TX . . .
And Mexigo want's CA, AZ, NM, and TX . . .
Why stop there? Pretty soon France will want the midwest back, Spain will clamor for the return of Florida, and all the Yankees will start each sentence with, "'Morning Guvunah!"
The difference is Mexico's military isn't all that threatening.
Moose-Knuckle
03-19-14, 19:30
Why stop there? Pretty soon France will want the midwest back
Nah, they have already announced their surrender . . . again.
The difference is Mexico's military isn't all that threatening.
Mexigo has already invaded us, their allies in the DNC are making their hostile takeover "legal" by way of "amnesty".
Study your history, guys. Putin didn't "grab Georgia". He had UN authority to have a police force in Abkhazia and Ossetia. Get the FACTS straight, please.
WhaT most of you have a huge problem with is that US foreign policy is NOT in the hands of those who love America - or the presidents. Laugh, call it conspiracy I don't care. It's truth.
Neo-USSR?
Who placed military bases around whom? Oh, yeah...
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"One cannot awaken a man who pretends to be asleep."
Study your history, guys. Putin didn't "grab Georgia". He had UN authority to have a police force in Abkhazia and Ossetia. Get the FACTS straight, please.
WhaT most of you have a huge problem with is that US foreign policy is NOT in the hands of those who love America - or the presidents. Laugh, call it conspiracy I don't care. It's truth.
Neo-USSR?
Who placed military bases around whom? Oh, yeah...
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"One cannot awaken a man who pretends to be asleep."
And Hitler legally annexed Austria and was ceded the Sudetenland. We are all aware of history, it was still a land grab.
MountainRaven
03-19-14, 23:24
Putin is the kinda guy when you are in a bar and think you can talk tough and you go up puff your chest he won't talk crap he will just kick the crap out of ya before you know what happens
I don't think Putin is that kinda guy.
I think he's the kinda guy who wants you (and everybody else in the bar) to think he's that kinda guy. (And so long as everyone believes it, he never has to prove it.)
I don't think Putin is that kinda guy.
I think he's the kinda guy who wants you (and everybody else in the bar) to think he's that kinda guy. (And so long as everyone believes it, he never has to prove it.)
I think he's the kind of guy who would make a call on his phone and have your ass black-bagged and disappeared. But how did he end up in a bar? He's also not the kind of guy who spends any time in a bar.
good point he would not be there to begin with :) agree you would disapear
I think he's the kind of guy who would make a call on his phone and have your ass black-bagged and disappeared. But how did he end up in a bar? He's also not the kind of guy who spends any time in a bar.
And Hitler legally annexed Austria and was ceded the Sudetenland. We are all aware of history, it was still a land grab.
From my studies and listening to Austrian people who were actually alive when it happened, Austrians wanted to join Germany. They saw Germanys rise to success and power and wanted to be part of it.
montanadave
03-20-14, 08:10
From my studies and listening to Austrian people who were actually alive when it happened, Austrians wanted to join Germany. They saw Germanys rise to success and power and wanted to be part of it.
But what about Baron von Trapp? And Maria? Sure, there was Rolf, but he was just a confused boy. :haha:
MountainRaven
03-20-14, 09:06
I tend to suspect that Austrian nationalists would have been treated the same by the Nazis as any other political group that didn't find National Socialism and German imperialism to be that exciting.
Bolt_Overide
03-20-14, 12:15
And Hitler legally annexed Austria and was ceded the Sudetenland. We are all aware of history, it was still a land grab.
I do not disagree with any of those statements. I do however think that we instigated the whole thing when we had zero business doing so, and now we have no business sticking our nose further in it.
From my studies and listening to Austrian people who were actually alive when it happened, Austrians wanted to join Germany. They saw Germanys rise to success and power and wanted to be part of it.
True. Just like the ethnic Russians in Crimea.
I do not disagree with any of those statements. I do however think that we instigated the whole thing when we had zero business doing so, and now we have no business sticking our nose further in it.
Not sure if we instigated it or not, bad idea if we did and it certainly blew up in our face. Empty threats from Obama and Kerry made it worse.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/20/the-pentagon-isn-t-ready-for-a-new-cold-war.html
Hey look, the Cold War is back. Nice job Obama.
Geez, how you figure that's all Obama's fault? There's more than enough stuff to blame on Obama and co, but this one? Just due to general lack of perceived back bone via "red lines" that don't get enforced or something more specific to this?
Belmont31R
03-20-14, 17:35
Not all Obama's fault but he certainly is going from one blunder to the next FP wise. Started off right away with his apology tour and blame Bush schtick. Gonna be more flexible after the election and Hillary's reset button. He's dangerously naive, inept, and incompetent.
Bush was in office during the Georgian invasion, and I haven't seen anyone calling for boots on the ground. But I can say Obama barely seems like he wants to deal with this and seems perturbed he has to give a speech on real world matters. Not up his alley of talking point pep rallies.
Geez, how you figure that's all Obama's fault? There's more than enough stuff to blame on Obama and co, but this one? Just due to general lack of perceived back bone via "red lines" that don't get enforced or something more specific to this?
Empty threats along the lines of "Don't you dare" without any backup, same as in Syria when they used chemical weapons, and for the first time since the late 80s the Russians are on TV talking "nukes" like they are related to the North Koreans.
If Obama had just been a little less "line of death" and a bit more of a diplomat (considering he had even fewer options than he did with Syria) we wouldn't be playing the "sabre rattling" game again. It's a stupid and dangerous thing to resume. Russia has never really been our "best buddy" or anything but it was nice for awhile when we stopped conducting overt "war games" designed to eliminate each.
Perhaps Obama has a STFU opportunity and the whole thing might blow over rather than snowball, but I don't think Obama knows how to STFU any more than he knows how to not overplay his hand.
Not all Obama's fault but he certainly is going from one blunder to the next FP wise. Started off right away with his apology tour and blame Bush schtick. Gonna be more flexible after the election and Hillary's reset button. He's dangerously naive, inept, and incompetent.
Bush was in office during the Georgian invasion, and I haven't seen anyone calling for boots on the ground. But I can say Obama barely seems like he wants to deal with this and seems perturbed he has to give a speech on real world matters. Not up his alley of talking point pep rallies.
Nobody wants boots on the ground now or then. The difference is when Bush was in office, he did his token "we oppose Russia's action" standard line but even Bush didn't make a bunch of empty threats about sanctions like he was able to turn off the electricity in Moscow.
Empty threats along the lines of "Don't you dare" without any backup, same as in Syria when they used chemical weapons, and for the first time since the late 80s the Russians are on TV talking "nukes" like they are related to the North Koreans.
If Obama had just been a little less "line of death" and a bit more of a diplomat (considering he had even fewer options than he did with Syria) it's very possible we wouldn't be playing the "sabre rattling" game again. It's a stupid and dangerous thing to resume. Russia has never really been our "best buddy" or anything but it was nice for awhile when we stopped conducting overt "war games" designed to eliminate each.
Perhaps Obama has a STFU opportunity and the whole thing might blow over rather than snowball, but I don't think Obama knows how to STFU any more than he knows how to not overplay his hand.
Fixed for ya. Short of a crystal ball, that's as best we know. I have no doubt Obama is viewed as paper tiger leader, but we also have no idea of what may or may not have happened given a different "leader" and all that. Many times other leaders make decisions unrelated to say what a US leader may do (short of obvious war) and due to their own reasons, such as internal pressures, etc. and this may be such a case. There's really not much we can do other than sanctions, etc, and they know it.
For what ever reason, they decided the benefits outweigh the risks and I don't think Obama being pres weighs as much as some may think.
Cold War? Then again maybe Obama's "in on it" since he made that little speech to Medvedev saying he "would be more flexible after the election."
Both Barry and Vlad want the US to have a diminished role in the world.
Comrade Obama is just doing what comes natural to him.
Agree,... the world is turning against America from the outside. Obama is turning against America from the inside. A perfect storm in the eyes of Barry's handlers.
Belmont31R
03-20-14, 18:27
Nobody wants boots on the ground now or then. The difference is when Bush was in office, he did his token "we oppose Russia's action" standard line but even Bush didn't make a bunch of empty threats about sanctions like he was able to turn off the electricity in Moscow.
Obama surrounds himself with yes men and ego boosters.
Obama surrounds himself with yes men and ego boosters.
A new development for politicians and POTUS in particular... Come on people! Geez.
Belmont31R
03-20-14, 18:41
A new development for politicians and POTUS in particular... Come on people! Geez.
Missing the point of Obama giving a speech, setting red lines, and continually coming up short on results based off his own presumptions.
Missing the point of Obama giving a speech, setting red lines, and continually coming up short on results based off his own presumptions.
Didn't miss that point at all, but making statements that have applied to the vast majority of leaders since humans had leaders, adds zip to the issue or discussion. Of course he surrounded himself with yes men! :stop:
Belmont31R
03-20-14, 19:30
Didn't miss that point at all, but making statements that have applied to the vast majority of leaders since humans had leaders, adds zip to the issue or discussion. Of course he surrounded himself with yes men! :stop:
Apply to what degree? Saying any shade other that white all equals black isn't saying much.
Fixed for ya. Short of a crystal ball, that's as best we know. I have no doubt Obama is viewed as paper tiger leader, but we also have no idea of what may or may not have happened given a different "leader" and all that. Many times other leaders make decisions unrelated to say what a US leader may do (short of obvious war) and due to their own reasons, such as internal pressures, etc. and this may be such a case. There's really not much we can do other than sanctions, etc, and they know it.
For what ever reason, they decided the benefits outweigh the risks and I don't think Obama being pres weighs as much as some may think.
A President does not need a crystal ball to realize that you probably can't bluff the former head of the KGB with empty threats. Put looked at all the chess moves before he did anything. Obama should have done the same thing and realized if he wasn't ready to follow through with his threats of "serious consequences if Syria uses chemical weapons" then he should have just kept his mouth shut and gone with the standard "The US condemns the use of chemical weapons in Syria...blah, blah, blah."
Had he done that Obama might still be a "variable" that might go either way should Putin march forces into Crimea. Even without the Syria debacle, Putin may have figured out Obama won't do a damn thing about anything, but Obama really didn't need to prove he was "all talk." Having a Sec. of State like John Kerry simply drives the point home for anyone.
Putin basically now has free reign so long as he doesn't occupy a NATO country. A bunch of territory is up for grabs right now and Putin likely has a long term strategy. Russia has plenty of natural resources so "economic sanctions" really don't mean a damn thing. Being alienated by the global community really doesn't mean a damn thing. Only in Obama's mind were these things significant.
Doc Safari
03-21-14, 09:27
Where's Ronald Reagan when you really need him?
Putin's land grab is just wrong and that's all there is to it.
Putin's land grab is roughly equivalent to Mexico "liberating" all the descendents of Mexicans who woke up one morning and found themselves in the United States after Texas joined the Union.
(Although it is tempting to offer California back to Mexico). :D
Once again, the world finds itself wondering if it should confront a strong man early in his aggression, or wait until the threat is so great that the whole world will change for the worse if he is allowed to continue.
I don't think we should send troops to Ukraine. I also think there is at least the possibility that Putin will stop at Crimea and not try to reconstitute the Soviet empire.
Time will tell.
I would say now is the time to be purchasing your ammo and gun-related stuff. If there is another major war on the horizon you want to be well-stocked on things that might have to go toward the war effort.
TacticalSledgehammer
03-21-14, 10:09
Wake me up in 2016. If we're still here.
Doc Safari
03-21-14, 10:10
Putin could win World War III without firing a shot:
http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/03/19/putin-could-win-world-war-iii-without-firing-a-shot/
Putin is poised to run through Ukraine like a hot knife through butter. Short of launching ICBM’s with nuclear weapons, there is little that NATO can do to counter the Russian takeover of Ukraine.
By losing Ukraine to the Russians and thwarting the EU’s attempts at persuading Ukraine into joining the European Union, bad days lie ahead. The IMF, the World Bank, NATO, the Obama Administration and the Petrodollar are about to be dealt a devastating blow.
Putin is about to unleash a series of “secret weapons” so devastating, that the West may not be able effectively respond. Thus, the West, that would be you and me, will not recover.
Sixty six percent of exported Russian natural gas and oil run through Ukraine. When Ukraine is firmly in the hands of Russia, Putin will hold the trump card over a large portion of European energy needs.
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Putin’s energy trump card lies in the fact that he can charge almost whatever he wants for gas being shipped into Europe. Some are speculating that Putin will use a classic divide and conquer strategy to drive a wedge between European interests and that of the United States.
Imagine the following scenario for a moment. Putin informs the European Union that he will no longer accept the dollar (i.e. the world’s reserve currency) as an acceptable form of currency from which to purchase their Russian imported energy products. This will have a crippling effect on the dollar, and thus, the American economy.
The rest of the world will undoubtedly feel emboldened to pursue the best medium of exchange for their individual situation. If the Saudi’s can exploit the situation, they will do so as well other Middle Eastern Nations. If Obama does nothing, the Petrodollar will be dead in 2014. Without a viable Petrodollar, there is no dollar. The austerity coming to America would make the economics of Italy, Greece and Spain look like a walk in the park.
In order to stop the bleeding, Obama only has a small window in which to act. Obama may not be able to control the demise of the dollar with regard to Europe’s soon-to-be energy purchases, however, it is likely that Obama will soon stage a false flag event, blame Syria, in order to have a pretext from which to invade Syria as a precursor to invading Iran and slowing the demise of the Petrodollar in the Middle East.
My sources tell me that Putin is furiously arming Assad, in Syria, with high grade military equipment and numerous battlefield ready weapons in anticipation of a coming American military intervention. Assad is being armed with the capability to turn Syria into a modern-day Vietnam. Again, time is on the side of Putin. Can America afford another military quagmire? It is likely that Obama will be checkmated again by the much more savvy Putin.
So, if this scenario plays out, then Russia doesn't need to bomb the US into radioactive ash. He could instead make it so we would have preferred that fate. :(
A President does not need a crystal ball to realize that you probably can't bluff the former head of the KGB with empty threats. Put looked at all the chess moves before he did anything. Obama should have done the same thing and realized if he wasn't ready to follow through with his threats of "serious consequences if Syria uses chemical weapons" then he should have just kept his mouth shut and gone with the standard "The US condemns the use of chemical weapons in Syria...blah, blah, blah."
Had he done that Obama might still be a "variable" that might go either way should Putin march forces into Crimea. Even without the Syria debacle, Putin may have figured out Obama won't do a damn thing about anything, but Obama really didn't need to prove he was "all talk." Having a Sec. of State like John Kerry simply drives the point home for anyone.
Putin basically now has free reign so long as he doesn't occupy a NATO country. A bunch of territory is up for grabs right now and Putin likely has a long term strategy. Russia has plenty of natural resources so "economic sanctions" really don't mean a damn thing. Being alienated by the global community really doesn't mean a damn thing. Only in Obama's mind were these things significant.
I can't disagree with anything you're saying here. Obama has a bad habit of speaking first and thinking later, that's for damn sure. "If I had a son he'd look like..." and all that BS. His advisers either suck or he does not listen to them, or a combination of both. Obama, like many of his ilk, thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and gets easily played and manipulated.
I guess it's absurd to think humans can control things without fighting over them. Humans control the world, now... we will fight over THE WORLD until we're extinct.
Despite my severe isolationist leanings, in light of history; we should probably invade now. Better to do it when it's still about a small piece of land than after every modern military power throws their full weight in.
Not that I believe there's any chance we would "nip it in the bud." We certainly can't have learned anything from all these world conquerors.
"I don't know what weapons WWIII will be fought with, but I know WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones."
-Einstein
Putin could win World War III without firing a shot:
http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/03/19/putin-could-win-world-war-iii-without-firing-a-shot/
So, if this scenario plays out, then Russia doesn't need to bomb the US into radioactive ash. He could instead make it so we would have preferred that fate. :(
More unfounded conjecture meant to scare People. Russian gas is not as important as it used to be:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/03/europes-gas-supply-ukraine-crisis-russsia-pipelines
Putin could win World War III without firing a shot:
http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/03/19/putin-could-win-world-war-iii-without-firing-a-shot/
So, if this scenario plays out, then Russia doesn't need to bomb the US into radioactive ash. He could instead make it so we would have preferred that fate. :(
Not quite sure I understand how the Ukraine changes the gas situation. Russia is supposedly the source for the gas, so the route it takes is inconsequential with regards to availability. Russia doesn't need the Ukraine to stop the supply. Far easier to shut it off at the source than at the end. The Ukraine does offer one less middleman to suck off profit. If Russia annexes the Ukraine then Russia gets a bigger chunk of the profits from the EU.
Doc Safari
03-21-14, 15:59
More unfounded conjecture meant to scare People. Russian gas is not as important as it used to be:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/03/europes-gas-supply-ukraine-crisis-russsia-pipelines
The author in the link I posted may not get the mechanism for destroying the Petrodollar 100% correct, but there have been rumblings for months that our enemies (not just Russia) might try to get the rest of the world to trade in something other than Petrodollars, thus destroying our economy.
It's understandable that these scenarios get waaaaaaay complicated, and I doubt any predictor is going to be 100% correct.
Here is another article speculating about the impending doom of the petrodollar:
http://osnetdaily.com/2014/03/the-power-play-to-eliminate-the-petrodollar/
Glenn Beck has also spent a lot of airtime talking about this subject.
So even if Dave Hodges isn't entirely correct about how Putin might hurt the US economy, the fact remains that a lot of people are worried that our enemies may in fact may be able to impact our economy through the petrodollar.
Agree,... the world is turning against America from the outside. Obama is turning against America from the inside. A perfect storm in the eyes of Barry's handlers.The world has been turning against the USA for years and years.
Putin could win World War III without firing a shot:
http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/03/19/putin-could-win-world-war-iii-without-firing-a-shot/
So, if this scenario plays out, then Russia doesn't need to bomb the US into radioactive ash. He could instead make it so we would have preferred that fate. :(
^ Correct. This is the way I'd do it. Collapse the US Economy with the infrastructure and slave labor source intact.
Russia and China are due in May to likely sign a joint trade agreement over oil/gas.
More info here
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-03-21/forget-russia-dumping-us-treasuries-%E2%80%A6-here%E2%80%99s-real-economic-threat
"Specifically, Sinclair says that if Russia accepts payment for oil and gas in any currency other than the dollar – whether it’s gold, the Euro, the Ruble, the Rupee, or anything else – then the U.S. petrodollar system will collapse:"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXGPzDq45gM#t=580
"Indeed, one of the main pillars for U.S. power is the petrodollar, and the U.S. is desperate for the dollar to maintain reserve status. Some wise commentators have argued that recent U.S. wars have really been about keeping the rest of the world on the petrodollar standard.
The theory is that – after Nixon took the U.S. off the gold standard, which had made the dollar the world’s reserve currency – America salvaged that role by adopting the petrodollar. Specifically, the U.S. and Saudi Arabia agreed that all oil and gas would be priced in dollars, so the rest of the world had to use dollars for most transactions.
But Reuters notes that Russia may be mere months away from signing a bilateral trade deal with China, where China would buy huge quantities of Russian oil and gas."
Reuters link on trade agreement:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/21/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-insight-idUSBREA2K07S20140321
"The Holy Grail for Moscow is a natural gas supply deal with China that is apparently now close after years of negotiations. If it can be signed when Putin visits China in May, he will be able to hold it up to show that global power has shifted eastwards and he does not need the West."
"However, China overtook Germany as Russia's biggest buyer of crude oil this year thanks to Rosneft securing deals to boost eastward oil supplies via the East Siberia-Pacific Ocean pipeline and another crossing Kazakhstan."
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/03-overflow/20140322_gazprom_0.png
Why stop there? Pretty soon France will want the midwest back, Spain will clamor for the return of Florida, and all the Yankees will start each sentence with, "'Morning Guvunah!"
The difference is Mexico's military isn't all that threatening.Mexico is welcome to Southern Calif. All the way to Magic Mountain.
BrigandTwoFour
03-26-14, 23:32
Surprise surprise. Major world powers aren't happy with US dominance.
I would argue that the Cold War never really ended, because major powers will always have conflicts of interest. Warfare, as Clausewitz observed, is politics by other means. And when you have nuclear war and MAD looming over your head, you look for yet other means. Economics and IT is the game of the day. I would wager that we will see "population warfare" in the next 15-30 years.
Moose-Knuckle
03-27-14, 02:56
I would wager that we will see "population warfare" in the next 15-30 years.
It's already here, just look at the numbers China, India, and Mexico keep spitting out. Soon nations will be going to war over "blue gold" aka fresh drinking water instead of just fossil fuels.
Eurodriver
03-27-14, 07:42
You guys are nutcases.
This isn't anything like Hitler invading Czechoslovakia.
We are not going to war. Russia is not invading anyone (occupying a welcoming nation is not an invasion)
Bookmark this post so you can all see I'm right 5 years from now.
Some of this talk is ridiculous. I hope it's solely entertainment value and not serious discussion.
"We should just invade now." Jesus! Invade who? Russia? That country with 5,000+ nuclear weapons that no one in history (except Genghis Khan) has ever successfully invaded? Or Ukraine?
This is why people fly planes into our towers and blow up our ships in foreign ports. Because we don't know how to mind our own ****ing business. Luckily for us, the people we usually tend to act a fool toward don't have an arsenal of nuclear ICBMs.
Putin is not Hitler. Relax.
China and Russia could come out as super powers and all they have to do is put us into spot #3
sadly what I see with about half of the Americans today they would go along for the ride believing everything our enemy says to us along the way
China has the patience and the long term as a goal anyone who thinks this is stupid and would never happen should read Chinas history and where it was in the world in past !
and realize NO civilization on top has ever stayed on top I surely hope we do cause if we go down won't be a very fun world to be living in anymore !
I watch the Jews in WWII films and could not figure out how they just jumped out of the trucks ran up to the pits looking down on all the dead bodies and just took a bullet to the head ?
then I watch and see so many Americans and how they act and kinda give a sigh as we could witness the same thing again !
not saying that will happen to all of us ? but I could see it happening again in history
If Putin takes Alaska does that mean I will have to cancel my semi annual Kenai Peninsula Fishing trip?
We are not going to war. Russia is not invading anyone (occupying a welcoming nation is not an invasion)
You lost me right there. A "welcoming nation" does not need to be occupied. And while the ethnic Russian majority in Crimea might have cheered the tanks and troops, the Ukranians in the west weren't having a party. To the contrary many of them had just been killed by snipers because their former President was selling them out to Putin.
I'm sure if the Azatlan Army ever rolled across the border that many Mexican-Americans would also cheer.
Eurodriver
03-27-14, 15:58
You lost me right there. A "welcoming nation" does not need to be occupied. And while the ethnic Russian majority in Crimea might have cheered the tanks and troops, the Ukranians in the west weren't having a party. To the contrary many of them had just been killed by snipers because their former President was selling them out to Putin.
I'm sure if the Azatlan Army ever rolled across the border that many Mexican-Americans would also cheer.
Good point. Still no war. Ever.
Good point. Still no war. Ever.
There could be a war, I just don't think we will participate. It will come down to if some country decides they want to be this conflicts "Poland" or not. Won't be pretty.
Mauser KAR98K
03-28-14, 03:46
If there is a conflict and it does involve a NATO country in the matter, and I hope not the aggressor, we WILL be involved. If Putin does something incredibly stupid like take back Poland, bad days ahead.
Keep dreaming, Eurodriver. You hopes are in the hands of an idiot and an egotistical madman who wants to reshape the world in his vision. Both are in charge of two of the largest countries with enough fissionable material to make Ned Start say, "it's here." I'll let you pick who they two are.
And Putin IS acting like Hitler. if Obama wanted to throw egg in Putin's face, he should have called him Adolf Putin, and the Kremlin seat of the Nazi Party. The old Patriotic War is still fresh in their memory; best we reminded them how it started.
There could be a war, I just don't think we will participate. It will come down to if some country decides they want to be this conflicts "Poland" or not. Won't be pretty.
This can even be Poland again in role of "Poland". Curse of geography.
Anyway, there is very good insight into mater on Politico (it if was not linked before):
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/new-cold-war-russia-104954.html#.UzU7xYXFnc4
Russia's military is not the Red Army juggernaut it used to be. I'm not saying they're a pushover but if any of those countries won't roll over and play dead the Russkies will have their hands full. Also their economy, like ours, isn't exactly booming.
Eurodriver
03-28-14, 07:26
If there is a conflict and it does involve a NATO country in the matter, and I hope not the aggressor, we WILL be involved. If Putin does something incredibly stupid like take back Poland, bad days ahead.
Keep dreaming, Eurodriver. You hopes are in the hands of an idiot and an egotistical madman who wants to reshape the world in his vision. Both are in charge of two of the largest countries with enough fissionable material to make Ned Start say, "it's here." I'll let you pick who they two are.
And Putin IS acting like Hitler. if Obama wanted to throw egg in Putin's face, he should have called him Adolf Putin, and the Kremlin seat of the Nazi Party. The old Patriotic War is still fresh in their memory; best we reminded them how it started.
I'm not dreaming. I'm being realistic, actually.
My guess is by next year we won't even be discussing this. (And not because we are all dead) Russia invaded Georgia a few years ago. Big deal. Made the nightly news and Georgia was desperately trying to get in on NATO at the time. We even had US Military advisors there because they were sending troops to Afghanistan. Fizzle fizzle.
Do I think Russia is being an asshole? Yes. Do I think its any of our business? Most definitely not. If we were concerned with asshole governments we would be bombing Syria right now...and probably Venezuela. Anyone who suggests going to war with Russia over Ukraine is insane. I am glad John McCain isn't president right now. This isn't appeasement. Its minding our own business. How does Russia (worst case scenario) completely invading all of Ukraine matter to us? You do know Moscow did that before; they owned it for about 90 years and the world survived...
TacticalSledgehammer
03-28-14, 08:08
Lets go take over Cuba and see how Russia reacts.
Its minding our own business. How does Russia (worst case scenario) completely invading all of Ukraine matter to us?
In only one way. US, UK and Russia gave Ukraine security guarantees in 1994. Everybody know what Russian guarantees are worth - no surprise there. Nobody actually depends on UK in global scale anymore. What Putin is trying to prove, is that US word is worth less than paper used to write it down. And everybody is watching - both US enemies and allies (NATO article 5 is also just piece of paper). In long term this can be disaster for US, as even US is not capable to fight its fights alone.
Does that mean US must go directly to war with Russia? Plenty of people in Ukraine to defend their country. But they need help - economical and military. They would not be in so bad shape, if they would not please US by first giving away their nuclear armament (first country ever did - good luck to convince anyone to do that now in exchange for US security guarantees) and then reducing drastically their conventional arsenal (to please young Senator Obama on his mission of universal happiness).
Russia's military is not the Red Army juggernaut it used to be.
Russia has over 15,000 tanks in active duty, plus tons of APCs. No matter how fast we can destroy them, we will just run out of ammo before they run out of armour (great time to ditch A10 by the way - only tool to deal with armour in this numbers). They have over 3000 fighters in active duty - no matter how old and obsolete some of those are - we just can't shot all of them. They are not that stupid to send them in pairs. They have enough tactical missiles stationed in Królewiec (Koenigsberg) to overload any anti missile defence system currently in area by sheer numbers
Russian logic always was that after some point quantity becomes quality (actually US used this in WW2 as well, with M4 Sherman tank). In conventional conflict Russia is capable of just overloading NATO defense capability in Europe in kind of "Denial of Service" attack.
In conventional conflict Russia is capable of just overloading NATO defense capability in Europe in kind of "Denial of Service" attack.
That was their plan in the 60's and 70's too. If the proper resources were in place (key words there) it wouldn't go down like that. That said, those resources have been largely removed from Europe since the end of the Cold War.
They're not invincible, although I'd rather not try to prove that point if avoidable as it would be rather costly in blood and treasure.
BTW, anyone know how many "heavy" divisions we have left in the Army? i.e. armored and mechanized?
Moose-Knuckle
03-29-14, 02:45
Yeah we axed the A10, under Obama how much has our military been downsized, and don't forget the various "scandals" that have gotten a lot of senior command level personnel axed to include those in charge of our nuke program. I swear no one is paying attention to all these "signs".
Yeah we axed the A10, under Obama how much has our military been downsized, and don't forget the various "scandals" that have gotten a lot of senior command level personnel axed to include those in charge of our nuke program. I swear no one is paying attention to all these "signs".
It's congress, not Obama. And those arguing about the A10 are fighting yesterday's war, not preparing for future conflicts.
Moose-Knuckle
03-29-14, 16:08
It's congress, not Obama. And those arguing about the A10 are fighting yesterday's war, not preparing for future conflicts.
Yesterday . . . future . . . that is all fine and dandy but it would be nice if we could concern ourselves with the here and now.
Yesterday . . . future . . . that is all fine and dandy but it would be nice if we could concern ourselves with the here and now.
That's not how the budget works. You plan for future conflicts with a future budget. You don't want to be fighting the last war when the next war sneaks up on you... that's how you get charlie foxtrots like WWI.
MountainRaven
03-29-14, 19:57
It's congress, not Obama. And those arguing about the A10 are fighting yesterday's war, not preparing for future conflicts.
And what's the future A-10?
I seem to recall the last future A-10 was the F-16. And that... didn't work out. Something to do with being too fragile and the airframe spontaneously combusting when running a 30mm cannon....
Maybe we'll have a true successor for the A-10 around the time the F-35 program is terminated.
If we had Hon Hai manufacturing the F35, it would be ahead of schedule, under budget, and would come with Siri.
Totally worth all the F35 counterfeits that would start popping up on eBay
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