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Interesting "in the news" today:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/maine-man-sparks-police-standoff-gun-tattoo-stomach-article-1.1726889
http://www.komonews.com/news/offbeat/Police-Mans-gun-turns-out-to-be-a-tattoo-250979841.html
Voodoo_Man
03-19-14, 15:59
The myriad of radical view tattoo's on his left arm pretty much sums up that person.
montanadave
03-19-14, 16:01
What a maroon!
"Hey, what? Oh, this? It's only a tattoo, see?" BLAM! Oops!
Darwin was working hard that day...sadly the subject lived and continues to contaminate future generations with his idiocy.
Eurodriver
03-19-14, 16:23
What's all that white stuff on the ground?
What's all that white stuff on the ground?
Cocaine.
:jester::jester:
For those of you below the Mason Dixon line we call that snow. Though with all the global warming it is supposed to be soon extinct.
Moose-Knuckle
03-19-14, 17:23
The myriad of radical view tattoo's on his left arm pretty much sums up that person.
Yeah I couldn't help but notice his affiliations . . .
Back to the ghay handgun tat, there are more than a few female adult film stars who have similar images in the same region.
montanadave
03-19-14, 17:35
there are more than a few female adult film stars who have similar images in the same region.
Now you've done it.
That's like turning on the SteyrAUG "bat signal." :laugh:
Moose-Knuckle
03-19-14, 17:42
Now you've done it.
That's like turning on the SteyrAUG "bat signal." :laugh:
Nah, he doesn't like his leading ladies to have ink. :cool:
Nah, he doesn't like his leading ladies to have ink. :cool:
So people just have no taste...
No doubt his friends and family would have cried for an ambulance chasing attorney had he gotten popped.
At least Maine State Police have a good taste in firearms. HK416
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e71/mattg1024/Firearm%20pictures/Screenshot_2014-03-19-15-06-26-1_zpsz6wyq9ab.png
Moose-Knuckle
03-19-14, 19:06
At least Maine State Police have a good taste in firearms. HK416
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e71/mattg1024/Firearm%20pictures/Screenshot_2014-03-19-15-06-26-1_zpsz6wyq9ab.png
AND . . . the mag is inserted properly and his RDS is mounted in the correct direction. That trooper deserves a cold one on me (we can discuss his CAA VFG and light placement later). :D
Except he's doing that magazine well hold ... which, admittedly, looks to be about as good as he can get in that position.
The myriad of radical view tattoo's on his left arm pretty much sums up that person.
Yep, a small part of me wishes they had shot him...
platoonDaddy
03-20-14, 08:08
What I don't understand, why swat for someone on his property with a firearm (yes it was a tattoo), he didn't threaten them, just asked them to get out of dodge?
Nightvisionary
03-20-14, 08:15
Inkies man, what can you say.
No doubt his friends and family would have cried for an ambulance chasing attorney had he gotten popped.
For good reason too... it's not like he was brandishing the "weapon" err tattoo or threatening anybody with it and he was on his own property...
What I don't understand, why swat for someone on his property with a firearm (yes it was a tattoo), he didn't threaten them, just asked them to get out of dodge?
Agree.
AND . . . the mag is inserted properly and his RDS is mounted in the correct direction. That trooper deserves a cold one on me (we can discuss his CAA VFG and light placement later). :D
One step at a time!
Voodoochild
03-20-14, 12:25
Nazi tattoo and crossed hammers. Definitely a White power kind of guy.
What I don't understand, why swat for someone on his property with a firearm (yes it was a tattoo), he didn't threaten them, just asked them to get out of dodge?
Maybe, due to known affiliations or background history?
I didn't read anything about the guy's criminal history. With our justice system he may have killed people in the past, been to jail and back, and still be his age.
Moose-Knuckle
03-20-14, 12:49
What are Maine's laws in regards to firearms on one's own property? There is snow on the ground so I could see how people would call 911 when they see a dude walking around in the snow with no shirt on and what appears to be at a distance a handgun sticking out of his pants.
alienb1212
03-20-14, 13:06
I live about 15min away from this guy.
He's a local loser. I'm sure you've all seen the tats on him. He does have a pretty considerable history of wrong time/place that is a bit too much to be pure coincidence.
Local LE have very, very little to do, since they're busy ignoring the rampant meth problem here in Maine. On the rare occasion they do have any kind of standoff/hostage/shooting situation, it's always up in "da county" and whatever happens is always over hours before they arrive.
I'm reminded of the incident at our Augusta Wal-Mart a few years ago where a mentally disabled man brought in an unloaded weapon, (a BB-gun if I recall) I happened to be driving by during the incident, not knowing what the hell was going on, I thought it was some kind of mass shooting. It seriously looked like the stuff we saw on TV at the D.C. mall shooting, the lot was full of cop cars. Deputies from counties hours away were rolling up in their SuperTacticalHardon gear.
In the end there was a peaceful resolution, with nobody getting hurt whatsoever.
Maine is a very boring state. We've got absolutely nothing going on other than non-violent drug trafficking problems, and huge welfare fraud. The troopers and local LE have all this gear and nothing to do with it.
alienb1212
03-20-14, 13:09
What are Maine's laws in regards to firearms on one's own property? There is snow on the ground so I could see how people would call 911 when they see a dude walking around in the snow with no shirt on and what appears to be at a distance a handgun sticking out of his pants.
Can conceal on your property. Can open carry anywhere without permit. (Obviously) Federal buildings and publicly funded schools are off limits, as well as courthouses, businesses that generate more than 50% of their income from alcohol.
So because a guy has Tatts you all don't agree with, he should be shot by the police?
nice.... some of you would've fit right in with Nazi Germany.
Guys on a gun forum that argue for 2nd Amendment Rights, that want a guy shot because of his Tatts and his choices to express himself.....
Moose-Knuckle
03-20-14, 14:50
So because a guy has Tatts you all don't agree with, he should be shot by the police?
nice.... some of you would've fit right in with Nazi Germany.
Guys on a gun forum that argue for 2nd Amendment Rights, that want a guy shot because of his Tatts and his choices to express himself.....
It has NOTHING to do with the fact that he has some ink and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that he has gang tattoos identifying him as a career criminal who is a proud member of a gang. When one has worked around felons long enough you can read their tattoos like a newspaper. They tell you everything you need to know about a person.
So because a guy has Tatts you all don't agree with, he should be shot by the police?
nice.... some of you would've fit right in with Nazi Germany.
Guys on a gun forum that argue for 2nd Amendment Rights, that want a guy shot because of his Tatts and his choices to express himself.....
If you get yourself killed because in that instant the cop, or security guard, or civilians, can't distinguish between a big ass gun tattoo (meant to look exactly like a gun stuck in your pants and nothing else...) you have no one to blame but yourself and a firm contender for the Darwin Awards. Does not have a damn thing to do wit 2A Rights and everything to do with using some common sense. Stupid is supposed to hurt ad that's pretty f-ing stupid.
One can express themselves, and end up shot for it because it appears (intentionally!!!) to be a gun stuck down his pants. It's not like the poor SOB who gets shot reaching for his wallet etc.
Maybe a big ass tattoo of a explosive vest which you then run through LAX with next? And it will be the LEOs fault when a 5.56 passes through you? "But I was just expressing myself" as your dying words?
thopkins22
03-20-14, 15:03
Nipple ring. Weird.
Eurodriver
03-20-14, 15:50
So because a guy has Tatts you all don't agree with, he should be shot by the police?
nice.... some of you would've fit right in with Nazi Germany.
Guys on a gun forum that argue for 2nd Amendment Rights, that want a guy shot because of his Tatts and his choices to express himself.....
Actually, going off his tattoos, he would have fit right in with Nazi Germany.
It certainly can't be both, and I would certainly equate the guy with the iron cross and other Nazi insignia tattooed on his body to fit more in with Nazi Germany than a bunch of guys on a forum seeing no issue with dispatching a racist asshole.
So because a guy has Tatts you all don't agree with, he should be shot by the police?
nice.... some of you would've fit right in with Nazi Germany.
Guys on a gun forum that argue for 2nd Amendment Rights, that want a guy shot because of his Tatts and his choices to express himself.....
No, it has nothing to do with tattoos, it has to do with the affiliation associated with those tattoos.
Nobody here would have a single problem with military tattoos.
But if somebody has tattoos affiliating them with crips, bloods, black nation of islam, ms13, kkk, aryan brotherhood or some other violent criminal gang then we do have a problem with them. We don't think anyone should be shot simply for having the tattoos, but we won't miss the criminal if he happens to get shot.
platoonDaddy
03-20-14, 16:03
I'm reminded of the incident at our Augusta Wal-Mart a few years ago where a mentally disabled man brought in an unloaded weapon, (a BB-gun if I recall) I happened to be driving by during the incident, not knowing what the hell was going on, I thought it was some kind of mass shooting. It seriously looked like the stuff we saw on TV at the D.C. mall shooting, the lot was full of cop cars. Deputies from counties hours away were rolling up in their SuperTacticalHardon gear.
Been hunting in Eagle Lake every year since 1975 and we spend our 1st night in Freeport. Numerous times, have walked with my hunting rifle on my shoulder (uncased) into LL Beans hunting section for various issues. Never been stopped or questions, actually the last time was in 2012.
After this incident, will certainly have it in a case.
No, it has nothing to do with tattoos, it has to do with the affiliation associated with those tattoos.
Nobody here would have a single problem with military tattoos.
But if somebody has tattoos affiliating them with crips, bloods, black nation of islam, ms13, kkk, aryan brotherhood or some other violent criminal gang then we do have a problem with them. We don't think anyone should be shot simply for having the tattoos, but we won't miss the criminal if he happens to get shot.
"Criminals should consider the possibility of being shot an occupational hazard." -Charleston, SC Chief of Police Ruben Greenberg (June 1996, IIRC)
Lucky for him he didn't feel the urge to scratch his nuts. The nipple ring was enough to show me the gene pool needs more bleach.
Please enlighten me. Which tatts were gang related? All I can make out are the flames on his right arm.
montanadave
03-20-14, 16:15
Nobody here would have a single problem with military tattoos.
Yeah, but flash some My Little Pony ink and everybody's all up in your shit. :sad:
thopkins22
03-20-14, 16:24
Please enlighten me. Which tatts were gang related? All I can make out are the flames on his right arm.
On the inside of his upper left arm/elbow you'll notice the Reichsadler(imperial eagle) of Nazi Germany, and an iron cross. If you were closer, I guarantee you that at the bottom of the eagle is a swastika.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Reichsadler_der_Deutsches_Reich_(1933–1945).svg
Voodoo_Man
03-20-14, 16:25
"Criminals should consider the possibility of being shot an occupational hazard." -Charleston, SC Chief of Police Ruben Greenberg (June 1996, IIRC)
"It's all in the game..." - Omar, The Wire.
Heard this one more than a few times on the street.
“I got plans today. I didn’t want to get shot,”
Classic.
As to the tattoos, my guess is always prison-tats, when I see AN ink. You don't have to be an active gang member or even be a white supremacist: if you're white and have spent felony time in the US prison system, odds are good you will have some AN ink.
thopkins22
03-20-14, 16:34
“I got plans today. I didn’t want to get shot,”
Classic.
As to the tattoos, my guess is always prison-tats, when I see AN ink. You don't have to be an active gang member or even be a white supremacist: if you're white and have spent felony time in the US prison system, odds are good you will have some AN ink.
Certainly...I can imagine that it's probably a smart move(regardless of your feelings on race) if you're a white guy going to pound-me-in-the-ass prison. But that knowledge still starts to paint a fairly complete picture for us right? Yes, he probably didn't actually threaten anyone, and he didn't brandish a firearm. But there's a pretty strong likelihood that he's a dirtbag who the police might want to show up heavy to have a conversation with, as opposed to some dude with only a gun tattooed.
"It's all in the game..." - Omar, The Wire.
Heard this one more than a few times on the street.
It's all fun and games 'till someone puts a hole through your squash. :rolleyes:
Magic_Salad0892
03-20-14, 17:21
Now you've done it.
That's like turning on the SteyrAUG "bat signal." :laugh:
Lmfao. Markm is LWRCi. And SteyrAUG is porn.
Moose-Knuckle
03-20-14, 17:37
Please enlighten me. Which tatts were gang related? All I can make out are the flames on his right arm.
On his upper left arm he has tattoos that are identifiers with white supremacist gangs. On the inner bicep crossed hammers is common symbol for Hammerskins, the eagle atop swastika was the formal symbol of the Nazi Party, and of course the Iron Cross (which actually predates the Nazis) is used by such groups as well but by itself is not indicative to racism.
Voodoo_Man
03-20-14, 18:36
On his upper left arm he has tattoos that are identifiers with white supremacist gangs. On the inner bicep crossed hammers is common symbol for Hammerskins, the eagle atop swastika was the formal symbol of the Nazi Party, and of course the Iron Cross (which actually predates the Nazis) is used by such groups as well but by itself is not indicative to racism.
I hate to be the one who points it out, but if it quacks like a duck....
Belmont31R
03-20-14, 18:46
I hate to be the one who points it out, but if it quacks like a duck....
Then what? Rights are there to protect the undesirables from the majority.
It's easy to turn a blind eye when a POS 'gets smoked' until you become society's POS.
alienb1212
03-20-14, 20:44
Then what? Rights are there to protect the undesirables from the majority.
It's easy to turn a blind eye when a POS 'gets smoked' until you become society's POS.
Don't remember reading anyone saying he should have just been shot.
Possibly they responded to this in this manner because they DID know who he was and what he's done in the past. Maybe.
I have never ever had a negative encounter with law enforcement in Maine. Been here all my life.
This is funny as a buddy of mine in the army had a similar tat as well but duel pistols. Definitely not my taste. .
Belmont31R
03-20-14, 20:53
Don't remember reading anyone saying he should have just been shot.
Possibly they responded to this in this manner because they DID know who he was and what he's done in the past. Maybe.
I have never ever had a negative encounter with law enforcement in Maine. Been here all my life.
Yep, a small part of me wishes they had shot him...
Hmm...
Belmont31R
03-20-14, 21:09
This funny as a buddy of mine in the army had a similar tat as well but duel pistols. Definitely not my taste. .
When I got to Ft Lewis part of our in processing was a tat check...
skijunkie55
03-21-14, 06:50
So if the police department was called for his gun tattoo, why wasn't the fire department called for the flames on his arms?!
Goodness.
Happy Friday everyone.
So if the police department was called for his gun tattoo, why wasn't the fire department called for the flames on his arms?!
Goodness.
Happy Friday everyone.
This made my Friday.
I would respect the guy more if he had a proper AIWB holster for that tat.
ramairthree
03-21-14, 08:07
I am not sure why yelling at guys on your property making noise to get off your property warranted a response. Shirt or no shirt, tat or no tat, gun or no gun in his pants.
I also get the impression that some think it was ok because he was some scumbag racist asshole.
Maybe he is one of the guys that was affected by an event like one recently posted here that the mainstream media ignores.
Today it is the guy with racist tattoos that can be hated like a pedophile.
Tomorrow it is the guy that posts the link to the hoodrats that did a brutal, savage crime.
Next week people saying hood rats instead of another word.
Next year people that move to nice areas with good schools and low crime are suspect.
Anyways,
not saying the guy was a genius or good dude.
Could be a complete scumbag out on parole for all I know.
Just don't like the vibe that people here have swallowed the prejudice = evil pedophile social conditioning that is also the same treatment gun owners are getting.
NCPatrolAR
03-21-14, 08:23
When I got to Ft Lewis part of our in processing was a tat check...
We had the same thing at Bragg as far back as 1996.
At least Maine State Police have a good taste in firearms. HK416
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e71/mattg1024/Firearm%20pictures/Screenshot_2014-03-19-15-06-26-1_zpsz6wyq9ab.png
They're also issued HK45s.
NCPatrolAR
03-21-14, 10:04
Then what? Rights are there to protect the undesirables from the majority.
It's easy to turn a blind eye when a POS 'gets smoked' until you become society's POS.
His statement doesn't have anything to do with rights; it's about the guy's tats showing that he is most likely involved in racist/white supremacist organizations
I am not sure why yelling at guys on your property making noise to get off your property warranted a response. Shirt or no shirt, tat or no tat, gun or no gun in his pants.
I also get the impression that some think it was ok because he was some scumbag racist asshole.
Maybe he is one of the guys that was affected by an event like one recently posted here that the mainstream media ignores.
Today it is the guy with racist tattoos that can be hated like a pedophile.
Tomorrow it is the guy that posts the link to the hoodrats that did a brutal, savage crime.
Next week people saying hood rats instead of another word.
Next year people that move to nice areas with good schools and low crime are suspect.
Anyways,
not saying the guy was a genius or good dude.
Could be a complete scumbag out on parole for all I know.
Just don't like the vibe that people here have swallowed the prejudice = evil pedophile social conditioning that is also the same treatment gun owners are getting.
Judging an entire group of people on the acts of a few is pretty much my definition of a scumbag.
Then tattooing said prejudices on your arm just makes it worse.
That said, this is America, you can hate all you want, you just can't act on those hatreds in a criminal way.
I'd bet this was nothing more than an "aggravated man with a gun" call that got blown out of proportion. Like someone else stated, police get pretty bored around the state. I'm in southern Maine, and still not much goes on.
So if the police department was called for his gun tattoo, why wasn't the fire department called for the flames on his arms?!
Goodness.
Happy Friday everyone.
F'ing hilarious! Thanks dude :)
alienb1212
03-21-14, 14:21
Hmm...
Ah, I must automatically filter out stupidity, I did not even see his post. Still, one ignorant guy hardly condemns the entire member body.
Moose-Knuckle
03-21-14, 16:14
I am not sure why yelling at guys on your property making noise to get off your property warranted a response. Shirt or no shirt, tat or no tat, gun or no gun in his pants.
I also get the impression that some think it was ok because he was some scumbag racist asshole.
Maybe he is one of the guys that was affected by an event like one recently posted here that the mainstream media ignores.
Today it is the guy with racist tattoos that can be hated like a pedophile.
Tomorrow it is the guy that posts the link to the hoodrats that did a brutal, savage crime.
Next week people saying hood rats instead of another word.
Next year people that move to nice areas with good schools and low crime are suspect.
Anyways,
not saying the guy was a genius or good dude.
Could be a complete scumbag out on parole for all I know.
Just don't like the vibe that people here have swallowed the prejudice = evil pedophile social conditioning that is also the same treatment gun owners are getting.
I hear and appreciate what you are saying. The attack on the 2nd is going this way. Gun owners = child predators. We hear all the time from the left, MSM, DNC, etc. about the "victims of society", "war on women", blah, blah, when in reality it is the heterosexual, conservative, male (particularly white males) that is used as a piņata.
In this particular case however, this guy is associated with a known criminal organization.
Yep, a small part of me wishes they had shot him...
Let me clarify my original thoughts on this matter.
I wish he had done something illegal to get shot by the responding officers.
I didn't mean for my original post to sound like the officers should have just shown up and killed him.
I can not stand these Neo Nazi bastards and hope many horrifyingly terrible things happen to them.
Gosh, to think just thirty years ago, I was up in Lubec visiting a shipmate, knocking back Jack Daniels, eating fresh lobsters, and listening to "Bert and I" albums, laughing so hard I damned near pissed myself! What the hell has happened up there, Down East? :)
If this guy is a convicted felon and the cops got the call that he had a gun, then this reaction seems somewhat reasonable.
If this guy's "crime" is looking like he does and having undesirable tattoos, and the cops showed up pointing loaded weapons at him because he was reported walking around on his own property with a "gun" in his waistband, then I think there is cause for outrage.
Wouldn't you guys be a little pissed if you stepped out of your front door and saw cops pointing ARs at you from behind snow berms and such? I would be. I'd be fuming mad. I'd behave myself, but I'd would need to have some serious discussion about my local PD's policies and tactics.
How many of you LEOs would like it if a neighboring PD didn't know who you were, but showed up in full tactical gear, pointing loaded weapons at your house and family because a neighbor reported they saw you with a gun on your own property? Obviously, most reasonable people would diffuse the situation, but would you not be mad?
NCPatrolAR
03-22-14, 14:16
I'm willing to bet that the guy wasn't given this treatment just because he was walking around his property with his shirt off. Kinda doubt he opened his door, sent Jeeves to gain the attention of the limb cutters and then remarked "excuse me good sir. Do you mind moving your form of conveyance down the avenue so that I might continue to partake of the last episode of Masterpiece Theater without my ears being molested by the sound of your gasoline powered handtools?"
thopkins22
03-22-14, 14:26
I'm willing to bet that the guy wasn't given this treatment just because he was walking around his property with his shirt off. Kinda doubt he opened his door, sent Jeeves to gain the attention of the limb cutters and then remarked "excuse me good sir. Do you mind moving your form of conveyance down the avenue so that I might continue to partake of the last episode of Masterpiece Theater without my ears being molested by the sound of your gasoline powered handtools?"
Exactly. I'm normally one of those that's quick to cry that police are all too willing to jump to militarized tactics/over-reactions. But based on a little bit of context...I'm willing to bet that he wasn't acting very civil...which brought the cavalry. The fact that he then wasn't arrested shows that they decided he wasn't acting criminally and everyone went about their business.
He probably accidentally tweaked his nipple ring which sent him into a screaming rage which was then misinterpreted by the gardeners. ;)
SeriousStudent
03-22-14, 15:12
.......
Wouldn't you guys be a little pissed if you stepped out of your front door and saw cops pointing ARs at you from behind snow berms and such? I would be. I'd be fuming mad. I'd behave myself, but I'd would need to have some serious discussion about my local PD's policies and tactics.
......
You are correct. If we ever have snow berms here in Texas, I'll be more than a little pissed.
(Comedy relief, please don't let anybody lose their mind.)
You are correct. If we ever have snow berms here in Texas, I'll be more than a little pissed.
(Comedy relief, please don't let anybody lose their mind.)
You can envision a scenario using the "...and such." portion of that sentence. Maybe at your house they would take a knee behind a large cactus, or go prone under a tumble weed. :D
Belmont31R
03-25-14, 18:13
His statement doesn't have anything to do with rights; it's about the guy's tats showing that he is most likely involved in racist/white supremacist organizations
People have every right to be in racist skinhead organizations. A tat showing as much doesn't mean the guy gets his rights thrown in the gutter.
NCPatrolAR
03-25-14, 18:30
People have every right to be in racist skinhead organizations. A tat showing as much doesn't mean the guy gets his rights thrown in the gutter.
And I, nor the poster of the comment I was talking about, has said that violating anyone's rights was kosher. Feel free to hop off the faux "I'm outrage that his rights were violated" butthurt train at any point.
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