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C-grunt
03-27-14, 23:02
http://www.arsenaldemocracy.com/#reaper-highlight

First of all I apologize for not taking any photos today. I was having way to much fun.

I recently got invited to a demo shoot here in the Phoenix metro area for Arsenal Democracy. Id been seeing their rifles on the internet but I did not know anyone who had any hands on experience. Doing a search here I again found no hands on experience. One thing I took away directly off the bat is the clientele that this rifle is catered to. Its not trying to compete with BCM, Daniel Defense and Colt. They are going for Larue and Noveske shoppers. The rifles are built more as a RECCE or SPR than a standard carbine.

The CEO James brought out several rifles to play with today. a 14.5 inch middy gun topped with a T1, a 16 inch middy gun topped with an Acog (TA-31 I think), and an 18 inch rifle gas topped with Nightforce 2.5-10. He also brought a 16 inch 300 Blk rifle topped with a T1 that I didn't shoot at all.

We first went over the features of the gun and why he chose those items. One of the things brought up in a previous thread was why the custom buffer. James said because the standard H2.H3, etc buffers had too much standard allowed deviation in weight for his liking. I should point out that James seemed a bit OCD when it came to the specs of his guns.

The uppers and lowers are hand fitted and then serialized together. Now I realize, and James said this too, that tight fitment doesn't really matter but again that points to the level of attention and care that he puts into these rifles. The barrels are Shilen and on the heavier side. Luckily the keymod rail that they use is pretty lightweight and the rifle balances very well. Its not front heavy at all. Several of the keymods on each side have built in QD slots which I thought was a pretty cool feature. The barrels come with an adjustable gas block. The lower has a Geissele trigger. Not sure which one but its a curved two stage model.

The only thing I didn't care for on the rifle was the buttstock. There was nothing wrong with it. It locked up tight and fealt very strurdy. I just didn't care for it. Purely personal.

We shot the guns at pretty close range. Longest shots were around 75 yards. They are doing another demo later this week out at Cow Town, which is north of Phoenix and will let them stretch their legs a bit. All guns shot great. No malfunctions that I saw and we shot a few hundred rounds between each gun. I know that doesn't mean much but Im not going to turn down free trigger time. Ammo was Federal M193. We didn't shoot any groups.

All in all I came away very impressed by the guns. I went in thinking it was going to be some slapped together gun made to look cool and Id say I was way wrong. The closest competitor that I can think of would be the Larue PredatAR.

The only obstacle I see this company needing to overcome is name recognition. A lot of people are not going to spend 2k on a rifle that hasn't been fielded in large numbers. However once people start buying these rifles I bet they are going to become a respected name.

Aside form shooting the rifles I got to meet Nicholas Irving who I guess was kind of the inspiration for the rifle. Id also like to thank the guys from Armageddon Tactical Solutions for putting on the demo and supplying the ammo.

If you have any questions shoot away as Im certain there are things I missed.

markm
03-28-14, 09:02
[url The rifles are built more as a RECCE or SPR than a standard carbine.




Longest shots were around 75 yards. Ammo was Federal M193. We didn't shoot any groups.


Pappabear and I need to straighten this whole operation out.

C-grunt
03-28-14, 11:10
They are going out to Cow Town tomorrow for the longer stuff. This was at Mesa's police training facility.

markm
03-28-14, 11:15
I hope they take different ammo. XM193 is hurting the cause. ;)

C-grunt
03-28-14, 11:22
I'm sure they will. These dudes were some no shit trigger pullers.

markm
03-28-14, 11:25
Cool. Are they out of AZ? Or just demoing here?

C-grunt
03-28-14, 12:24
The actual rifle guys are from Florida. The training company is here in Phoenix area. Apparently the range at Cow Town goes out to 2000+.

brianc142
03-28-14, 20:51
These guys (Arsenal Democracy) posted a while back trying to tell the M4C community about their guns and got dog piled by numerous people here who never gave them a chance. Their post disappeared and they went away. I'm not sure if they were voted off the island or left on their own accord. I know absolutely zero about these guns other than some of their specs look pretty decent but I was willing to give them a chance. Some of the people here, not so much.

SilverBullet432
03-28-14, 23:07
No what happened was that they kept boasting that the company was founded by hardened ranger vets. Alot of yall on here are certified bad-asses, so no one took them seriously. I think its looks like a good rifle.

jpeezy
03-29-14, 00:01
These guys going to be at cowtown on the 16th for the LE rifle/handgun competition?

Voodoo_Man
03-29-14, 01:22
These guys (Arsenal Democracy) posted a while back trying to tell the M4C community about their guns and got dog piled by numerous people here who never gave them a chance. Their post disappeared and they went away. I'm not sure if they were voted off the island or left on their own accord. I know absolutely zero about these guns other than some of their specs look pretty decent but I was willing to give them a chance. Some of the people here, not so much.

I had some contact with them via email and wanted to get a rifle but they just stopped responding to me. I mean, aside from all the free press i give out with my photos and reviews the only thing they had to do was take my money.

Endur
03-29-14, 01:56
They seem like they are paying attention to the details. I am not liking the stock or all the pointed angles. Arsenal Republic would have been a more fitting name.

SiGfever
03-29-14, 11:17
They seem like they are paying attention to the details. I am not liking the stock or all the pointed angles. Arsenal Republic would have been a more fitting name.
Amen Brother!

MountainRaven
03-29-14, 12:40
They seem like they are paying attention to the details. I am not liking the stock or all the pointed angles. Arsenal Republic would have been a more fitting name.

Except the phrase is, "Arsenal of Democracy."

If "Arsenal of the Republic" is a phrase, it's no where near as commonly known as the former.

SiGfever
03-29-14, 14:13
Except the phrase is, "Arsenal of Democracy."

If "Arsenal of the Republic" is a phrase, it's no where near as commonly known as the former.

Since FDR was such a socialist progressive, it makes sense that he would use that phrase. But contrary to what the NEA would have our kids believe, we live in a "Constitutional Republic". just sayin...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenal_of_Democracy

eodinert
03-30-14, 05:10
I went to the web page to see what the fuss is about. I was done when I saw one of the rifles 'dry brushed' (a painting method to put color on only the raised areas) to make it look salty and worn. Then, I was extra done when I looked around more.

Koshinn
03-30-14, 05:32
But contrary to what the NEA would have our kids believe, we live in a "Constitutional Republic". just sayin...

A constitutional republic is a form of liberal democracy. Just sayin...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy

Endur
03-30-14, 08:38
Contrary to what mainstream media might have you believe, we are a constitutionalist republic with democratic traits. We are not a democracy. Take some criminal justice classes and you will understand a lot better.


These two forms of government: Democracy and Republic, are not only dissimilar but antithetical, reflecting the sharp contrast between (a) The Majority Unlimited, in a Democracy, lacking any legal safeguard of the rights of The Individual and The Minority, and (b) The Majority Limited, in a Republic under a written Constitution safeguarding the rights of The Individual and The Minority; as we shall now see.

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html

http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/repvsdem.htm

http://www.c4cg.org/republic.htm

SiGfever
03-30-14, 08:56
Sorry guys, I did not intend to take this so far out of the lane. I am interested in seeing more about the rifle and its value vs cost.

Endur
03-30-14, 08:58
Sorry guys, I did not intend to take this so far out of the lane. I am interested in seeing more about the rifle and its value vs cost.

I concur.

Bushytale
03-30-14, 09:51
Just went to their site and looked at the parts list. I was a little surprised to see they use a G2S trigger instead of the fully tested SSA after all the talk of only the best fully vetted parts go into their rifles! The powdered tungsten buffer also jumped out at me.

Bearded_Brometheus
03-30-14, 10:35
According to their website:


Just in case people want to know where we get the name "Arsenal Democracy" this was one of the helping factors. FDR used the term "Arsenal of Demorcacy" during the onset of WWII.... He spoke how we should support America and those who believe in our way of life and whom cannot support themselves... Through manufacturing, industrialization, technology, research & development and lastly all out war... Oh, and President Reagan used "Arsenal of Democracy" and everyone loves the "Gipper"

So whether you agree or not with the name, let's move on and talk about product at hand. C-grunt, thanks for the post.
Here's a pic of their new rail system & cerakote pattern off their fb:

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They did an interview on SOFrep for those that are interested: http://sofrep.com/sofrep-radio/episode-79-army-ranger-sniper-nicholas-irving-arsenal-democracy/

Serlo II
02-17-15, 21:44
So as time goes by, does anyone shoot these rifles? Reports are that they are well made and accurate.
I'm going to be looking for a couple of high end AR's over the next few months.

Regalkismet
02-17-15, 22:41
I was considering purchasing one 6 months or so ago and no one would return my calls or emails...And I called Atleast 15 times and left messages most times and sent alot of unanswered email... That made my decision for me.

Voodoo_Man
02-18-15, 08:16
I have emailed them several times after the initial few email exchanges and have not received any response. On other forums they have also been ignoring people.

Sad to see.

Serlo II
03-22-15, 12:38
I emailed them and they got back to me within 1 hour.
They recently expanded by adding new machining centers.
Lead time is 12 weeks for a rifle.
I do like to support veteran owned businesses if possible. Every company has to start somewhere. I'm going to give these guys the benefit of the doubt.
We shall see how they perform and how well the rifle performs.