View Full Version : New XCR joins the collection **7.62x39 pics pg.2**
variablebinary
05-29-08, 22:04
I picked up my 2nd XCR today. It's much improved over the model I got a year ago
It has a medium contour barrel with Gen. 2 gas block, which has a very slick tool-less gas adjust system
I got the shorter folding stock which has a much better LOP than the regular length stock. It's the same LOP as a closed SOPMOD, which is perfect for my frame.
It also has MI sights, which seem to fit the rifle better than the YHM sights from a year ago.
I still regard the XCR is the best new carbine on the market, period.
http://home.comcast.net/~armandoc14/ra2.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~armandoc14/ra3.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~armandoc14/ra1.jpg
Seth Harness
05-30-08, 17:20
Yeah I like that barrel better. Nice rifle.
For me, it'll be that or an ACR. I cant make up my damb mind!! :D Oh who am I kidding theres all kinds of s**t I want.
Nice clean rifle, just what the doctor ordered.
Are they going to make a 1/7 twist barrel? And get rid of the center slot down the rails?
variablebinary
06-05-08, 20:46
Some new pics and comparisons between AR15 and XCR guts...
Standard carbine mode. This is the way it is 90% of the time
http://home.comcast.net/~armandoc14/XCRcarbine.jpg
XCR in RECCE mode. Based upon my old XCR, it's up to the job
http://home.comcast.net/~armandoc14/XCRRECCE.jpg
See here how AK47 like the action is
http://home.comcast.net/~armandoc14/BCGarxcr.jpg
The XCR oprod is much beefier than what is found in typical piston AR15's. It could probably be used as a stabbing weapon when mags run dry
http://home.comcast.net/~armandoc14/BCGarxcr2.jpg
The Bolt carrier has far less parts. No keys to stake, nothing to break. It is solid
http://home.comcast.net/~armandoc14/BCxcar.jpg
No chance of XCR lugs shearing, or snapping under stress. The chances of a broken bolt are slim to none.
http://home.comcast.net/~armandoc14/boltarxcr.jpg
Once again, view the simplicity and robust nature of the bolt design. I have a gen2 firing pin when has a cap on the base to protect it from stress and reduce the chance of a break
http://home.comcast.net/~armandoc14/boltarxcrtopview.jpg
Like the looks of the new one. What was your final cost?
variablebinary
06-14-08, 02:13
I have a friend Doc. He was special forces and an F16 fighter pilot. He has a lot of guns and by a lot I mean a couple of large safes full +
He says he will never buy another M4orgery in his life he likes the Robinsons so well. I may have to get one. My only concern is the trigger on the one I tried at the gun store was definatly NOT acceptable. Can these be swapped out with a custom drop in like the Ar's? My Wilson Combat M4 has the sweetest trigger and I would like my XCR to follow suit.
XCR's do not take AR15 triggers. The lower is shorter which allows mags to feed inline with the chamber. As a result, the FCG is different.
Options:
A: Wait for the XCR match trigger
B: Send the trigger to Bill Springfield who turns XCR triggers into match grade AR15 level triggers for $40 bucks.
I dont have any issue with the trigger personally
Here are the results at 150 yards with stock trigger, MI BUIS, HBAR XCR-L 5.56 and 25 yard zero. I loaded 15 rounds in a PMAG (actually 16 rounds by mistake). I just used some targets I had laying around the house
http://home.comcast.net/~armandoc14/XCR%20target.jpg
Maybe they have improved there triggers since I picked one up at the Impact Guns. I tried four different weapons that day. An Xcr, a Spingfeild Socom, a Sig 556 and an FN P90. Of the four weapons I liked the XCR the best except for the trigger. I hate to report the XCR had the worst trigger of all 4 weapons. The Springfeild Socom had the best off the shelf trigger but I just am not interested in that weapon right now. I really hope to pick up an XCR soon but it will definatly have to have a trigger job if it's anything like the one I dry fired at Impact.
Gutshot John
06-14-08, 11:24
Maybe they have improved there triggers since I picked one up at the Impact Guns. I tried four different weapons that day. An Xcr, a Spingfeild Socom, a Sig 556 and an FN P90. Of the four weapons I liked the XCR the best except for the trigger. I hate to report the XCR had the worst trigger of all 4 weapons. The Springfeild Socom had the best off the shelf trigger but I just am not interested in that weapon right now. I really hope to pick up an XCR soon but it will definatly have to have a trigger job if it's anything like the one I dry fired at Impact.
Can you explain a bit about what you didn't like about the trigger? Saying it had the "worst" trigger is a little subjective and therefore vague.
How many people out there shoot ARs with stock triggers? Everyone I know have changed out theirs for some sort of match grade trigger. You mentioned drop in triggers like the Timny or Chip McCormack. Those cost $200 plus. Bill Springfield gives you a sweet match grade trigger job for $45 (4 lb. pull) and $65 for (3 lb. pull). How can you do any better than that? Who would pass up a great rifle because it had a carppy trigger? You also said the FN PS90 trigger was OK. I have shot numerous PS90s and they all have shitty triggers. That doesn't stop tons of people from buyuing them and you can't slick that trigger up very easily.
MadDog :p
No I will not pass up a great gun just because the trigger needs some work. I will definatly have a trigger job done when I purchase one. To answer your question the trigger had a lot of creep and was just not clean and crisp like the match trigger on my Wilson Custom. Do you happen to have the contact info for the gentleman that does the great trigger jobs you metioned?
Thanks.
variablebinary
06-15-08, 02:43
Can you explain a bit about what you didn't like about the trigger? Saying it had the "worst" trigger is a little subjective and therefore vague.
I cant speak for anyone else, but I will describe the trigger from my experiance.
It's a two stage trigger. The first stage has tangible resistance, and then leads into a the 2nd stage which has a very clean break but a heavy feeling pull weight even though it clocks in at around 6lbs.
It's gets better with use though, as the parts get some wear on them.
NIB it just has a "combat rifle" trigger, meaning it does what it needs to but is nothing to brag about. I dont regard it as any better or worse than a standard Colt trigger.
Like the looks of the new one. What was your final cost?
$1599 with sights. Which was about $150 than my first XCR. The increase is due to the Gen2 gas block and MI sights I'm sure.
variablebinary
07-01-08, 03:46
Took the XCR out again today. I picked up a case of Silver Bear Zinc ammo and Federal M193
My XCR is well past the 300 round break in period. So I tried dropping the gas setting down to 2. Silver Bear did not like gas setting 2 and the XCR wouldn’t cycle every couple of rounds. The Silverbear just didn’t have enough oomph when combined with a low gas setting.
M193 didnt mind gas setting 2, and functioned fine. M193 is noticeably hotter.
In the end, I settled on gas setting 3 and experienced zero malfunctions for the last few mags, regardless of ammo type. Recoil overall is smoother on gas setting 3 compared to 4.
I experimented with optics. I took off the Eotech and added an Aimpoint ML3 2MOA, with an ARMS mount with no spacer. I got this idea from a friend who has shot the SCAR with the same optics set up. BUIS down, it works great and I may keep my XCR like this for the time being.
I added a beavertail back strap to the MIAD and gapper to preserve my fingers.
Rather than starting 10 XCR threads, I will try and keep my posts lean and keep updating this thread with updates.
http://home.comcast.net/~armandoc14/XCRsig.jpg
Failure2Stop
07-01-08, 05:37
What is LOS over bore with standard (AR) sights and mounts?
variablebinary
07-01-08, 06:02
What is LOS over bore with standard (AR) sights and mounts?
I measured about a year ago and the XCR rail is .4" higher than M4 rail.
You'll probably end up leaving the aimpoint at that height. I run my zoom dot on my xcr in Larue rings with a 1.28 centerline height. It is nice and low yet I still can co wtiness the irons. This makes for an upper 3rd co witness but it works well. I use the second ring of the set for my magnifier.
XCR's do not take AR15 triggers. The lower is shorter which allows mags to feed inline with the chamber. As a result, the FCG is different.
The lower is not shorter. It is longer. Anyone can see this by looking at pictures of the weapon.
Magazine "in line" feeding? What do you mean by this?
variablebinary
07-02-08, 02:27
The lower is not shorter. It is longer. Anyone can see this by looking at pictures of the weapon.
Magazine "in line" feeding? What do you mean by this?
The XCR lower is shorter. The AR15 lower is taller.
The shelf above the trigger where the FCG sits is more shallow on the XCR, hence the XCR lower is shorter.
It's not length, its height.
The follower is more inline with the bore with the XCR.
The follower is lower in relation to the bore on an AR15
Battl3fr0nt
07-02-08, 05:30
Never seen this rifle befor, but I will be waiting for the Bushmaster ACR.. right now I have my hands full anyway with my Armalite middy I picked about 6 months ago.. I replaced the Rail system that came with it put an ACOG on it a ERGO SureGrip, Troy 9" FF rail system, LaRue FUG (FVG), and Magpul CTR Stock with butpad.. I might put the MI or PRI flip up front sight (still not sure) but as for a BUIS im waiting for the Magpul one to come out.. once I get that BUIS then I can worry about getting another AR.. I will be another Middy or a Bushmaster ACR.. prolly the ACR but im just gonna put a Aimpoint on it not another ACOG.. but I could change my mind about that to.. I love my TA31F.. best all around optic to ever be released imo.. anyway I was wondering what the price is on the XCR?
This Fall's deer rifle, 6.8 XCR
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b382/M38/xcr.jpg
variable,
Please keep us informed on this. I was rather fascinated with the XCR when it first came out, but due to my residency status it is verbot. Do you know of any torture tests that have been done? I am seriously looking for a piston rifle/carbine or the XCR.
I assume that the stock is proprietary and cannot be swapped with another type? Is that correct?
variable,
Please keep us informed on this. I was rather fascinated with the XCR when it first came out, but due to my residency status it is verbot. Do you know of any torture tests that have been done? I am seriously looking for a piston rifle/carbine or the XCR.
I assume that the stock is proprietary and cannot be swapped with another type? Is that correct?
There is a version that has a AR-style buffer tube that you could put a CTR or whatever other AR stock you wanted on it.
variablebinary
07-02-08, 21:25
variable,
Please keep us informed on this. I was rather fascinated with the XCR when it first came out, but due to my residency status it is verbot. Do you know of any torture tests that have been done? I am seriously looking for a piston rifle/carbine or the XCR.
I assume that the stock is proprietary and cannot be swapped with another type? Is that correct?
Pics arent mine. Prizm of XCRforum.com took these. Yes it will take AR15 stocks with an adaptor. Fixed or folding. your choice
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/Prizm1/tdi3.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/Prizm1/tdi1.jpg
variablebinary
07-09-08, 03:23
I did another 500 or so rounds, a mix of Silver Bear zinc and M193.
First, because I like BUIS up, my last config didnt work very well. I pulled my M4s off my middy and gave it a spin, and it worked much better. I did a few reload and triple tap drills from a stationary position. I like the M4s, but once again I realized at my heart I am an Eotech guy. All around I just prefer the Eotech reticle. I will probably trade my ML3 2MOA and mounts for a Eotech 553 FDE model.
Here is how the XCR looks with the M4s
http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/XCRM4s.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/XCRM4s2.jpg
In the end I went back to my good ol' Eotech 512
http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/XCRtech.jpg
Are they going to make a 1/7 twist barrel? And get rid of the center slot down the rails?
As I understand it, you can order a 1:7 from Robinson, but you have to ask for it. I don't know about the rail.
Everytime I read this post I get more interested about this rifle. Nice set up!
variablebinary
07-10-08, 10:18
Okay, mini range report from yesterday. It was dusk and I was losing sun so I was only able to shoot 160 rounds in total.
Exact round count since last cleaning 860 rounds. The piston head is getting black as hell, but the bolt and carrier are very clean, and there is still plenty of lube. The upper is pretty clean as well. Much cleaner than my AR15 would be at the same round count. I dont feel much in the way of grit when working the action
The XCR is set to gas setting 3 right now, and will probably remain in that position unless ammo or fouling force a change...
Okay, on to the accuracy.
My XCR was in the current config
http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/XCRtech2.jpg
First up, silver bear 62gr, full 30 round PMAG, approx 125 yards
http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/SilverbearXCR7.9.08.jpg
Next, M193, Lancer L5 Mag, 10 rounds, approx 125 yards
http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/AE55gr07.09.08.jpg
I inspected the ejector bolts and barrel rentention bolt and everything is still tight.
So far, no issues to report.
I wont be able to get out again for about a week, but I will post pics of the internals later tonight if I have time.
Nice! It's hard to argue with that. I'm thinking one SBR'd in 6.8 would be the shiz.
Is your a 1:7 twist? If so, was it any extra longer wait?
It has a medium contour barrel with Gen. 2 gas block, which has a very slick tool-less gas adjust system
I didn't know Rob. Arms offered a "medium contour barrel" - is that something new?
I don't know how long the medium contour barrel has been out, but I just ordered one today for my gun to compliment the 14.5 inch light barrel. I figured I would zero the medium barrel to my 4.5 x 14 scope and use it as a precision rig for observer missions. The light barrel can pass sniper quals but groups get more inconsistent after 5 rounds and I am hoping the medium barrel will be more stable. From the results of VB's groups, I say it should.
All told, it takes me about a minute to switch out optics right now and add two minutes for barrels, and I can go from entry gun to SPR in under 3 minutes.
variablebinary
07-21-08, 13:15
7.62x39 conversions have shipped! I wish this one were mine...Soon enough...
Link to thread: http://xcrforum.com/index.php/topic,1260.msg17816/topicseen.html#msg17816
http://a486.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/21/l_63ee4daea3d06bca28a5f933ac683f15.jpg
Same gun with owners grandmother...
http://a985.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/65/l_2a27b76b16d923f331f988c52939a9e0.jpg
http://a542.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/22/l_d16022d03dbc7e6f63c02f5ba9e22cc5.jpg
No Bananas
08-03-08, 12:53
Looks cool:cool:. That's one boomerang of a magazine. But hey, if it works... I'm very intersted to see some range reports on the XCR 7.62x39 rifles. It's caught my eye...speaking of that who wants their Granny in a pic w/ the rifle?
Has there been any progress on eliminating the center slot down the rails?
variablebinary
08-07-08, 07:56
Has there been any progress on eliminating the center slot down the rails?
I would suggest sending an email to Alex and asking him what revisions he has planned for the future.
Littlelebowski
08-07-08, 09:36
How does it shoot with Wolf? I know a lot of AK barrels are .311 or so and a true 7.62 barrel might shoot surplus ammo more accurately.
AR15AK47USER
08-14-08, 08:05
Just make sure your barrel is torqued correctly. I had an XCR in 5.56 about 1 1/2 years ago and the barrel retention bolt kept loosening. That made the entire barrel wobble and strung my bullets allover the place. The fact that it requires a 1/4" Allen wrench precisely torqued to 200 in-lb is a deal killer, like I am going to carry one with me all the time. The manual specifies over torquing will ruin the receiver and under torquing loosens the barrel. Quite unsatisfactory in a combat arm. Sold it and never looked back.
Even if you carried a torque wrench, is that any different than the SCAR?
I change barrels at least once a month now between my short barrel and long barrel, depedning on mission or training day--short one for entry work and long, heavy for SPR on MO days. I use a T handle wrench and have never had one loosen up.
AR15AK47USER
08-14-08, 15:00
I don't own or intend to own the SCAR. Thought about it and decided I don't need it. Going back to proven Kalashnikov systems like the Galil in the 5.56 range. I did just buy a MSAR STG556 mostly due to its compactness for CQC work, but I will see if I get rid of it too. But the experience of having my barrel come loose during a training session turned me off of the XCR for good. Besides it has too many proprietary parts, hard to get replacements.
Can't fault you for your reasoning. Different strokes for different folks.
I like the modularity and reliability. Every time I order something, I add a few of the small parts to have spares down the road.
My primary patrol rifle/entry gun is the XCR with a light 14.5 barrel. I run a RDS, VFG and light on it. It is the energizer bunny in that it keeps going and going....
For woodland clears or for MO missions, I swap to the 16 inch heavy barrel, ditch the light and VFG and mount my IOR scope. The end weight is about the same and the accurcay potential is better.
For times when I need magnification and don't have time to switch, I use my magnifier to bridge the gaps.
It is the same rifle, easily adaptable to whatever mission. It takes me under 2 minutes to switch back and forth. I have a hard case with foam that holds the heavy barrel, scope, 20 rounds pmags and tools to switch.
Neither barrel has every loosened nor have I ever been able to shoot tight enough to find a change in zero. Not that the gun is not accurate, I just can't find a difference within the limits of the gun, ammo, and myself. From a fixed rest, maybe.
It works for what I want.
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