View Full Version : New BCM stock in the works
http://www.30round.net/pics/bcmstockzoom.jpg
http://www.30round.net/pics/bcmstock.jpg
Interested to see the weight on these things. If it's lighter than my sopmod bravo I might give it a try.
BCM just posted this on their Facebook page. Same with Travis Haley, I think that's his blaster in the photo
Ohh ahh new stock to spend $$$ on.
Looks nice. Other than having the Bravo Co. name though I don't see anything that would make it better or worse than most of the other options out there
Looks nice. Other than having the Bravo Co. name though I don't see anything that would make it better or worse than most of the other options out there
That is pending price and weight.
Looks horrible. What the hell was wrong with the b5 bravo? So much so that they go and make a whole new stock?
Looks horrible. What the hell was wrong with the b5 bravo? So much so that they go and make a whole new stock?
This isn't made by b5, confused by your post.
Looks like the new Magpul Moe SL to me and not a B5 bravo.
This isn't made by b5, confused by your post.
I don't think he was inferring that this is made by B5 so much as the fact fnwhy the hell do we need another stock that basically does the same thing as the B5.
That being said I haven't seen specs or theory behind it yet but it does look like just another stock.
I agree, i'm pretty happy with the Bravo. I won't be changing anytime soon.
Looks nice. Other than having the Bravo Co. name though I don't see anything that would make it better or worse than most of the other options out there
There is more going on with the stock than meets the eye.
C4
Looks horrible. What the hell was wrong with the b5 bravo? So much so that they go and make a whole new stock?
B5 isn't making the stock.
C4
Theres a seam in the rear of the stock, wouldn't that be smooth if the storage compartment was the back end of the stock opening up or something.
Singlestack Wonder
04-29-14, 16:17
First Daniel Defense now BCM. Both should focus on what made them successful. The market is full of stocks and no one is going to "out-Magpul Magpul".
PatrioticDisorder
04-29-14, 16:17
DD & BCM in a competition for the ugliest stock... But really who cares, my question is does it collapse all the way on a VLTOR A5 RE, and if so what is the minimum LOP?
This isn't made by b5, confused by your post.
I wasn't implying that it was a b5 product. Just saying they pushed the b5 bravo hard on the jack carbine and tell me if I'm wrong but doesn't the brovo in sopmod bravo refer to bravo company manufacturing? Just saying there's nothing wrong with what's out already. But now that Grant has stated there's more to it I will sit and wait to see the magnificent "new" bcm gun fighter stock
Looks like the new Magpul Moe SL to me and not a B5 bravo.
not the magpul SL
http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG347/60
Eurodriver
04-29-14, 16:35
BCM clarified.
There is more going on with the stock than meets the eye.
C4
I'm not blown away by the looks, but I'm very curious now that you dropped this on us.
Only thing I can see is that it might be some weird ubr variant
I have a naked A5 RE in need of a stock. I'll have to see what magic powers this has.
I may be wrong here but Unless there is something we can't see that is new, different or ground breaking. I think I would rather kiss my Aunt Katy than put this on one of my guns.
I have a naked A5 RE in need of a stock. I'll have to see what magic powers this has.
Bump fire?! Start filling those banana clips.
:p
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Let's all poo poo on it before we have details, you know because BCM usually turns out some shitty stuff. I have no insight to the "hidden benefits" but I can guess that some companies are focusing more on designing and manufacturing their own stuff which means the money they make goes back into their own pockets as opposed to someone else's. This also means that they have control over the supply chain when things go crazy and they don't have to wonder when they will get their next resupply.
SilverBullet432
04-29-14, 17:43
not the magpul SL
http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG347/60
Looks a lot like it. I like both. Now I must choose.... :confused:
BravoCompanyUSA
04-29-14, 17:47
The BCMGUNFIGHTER Stock will be one of the lightest stocks (yes), but ALSO one of the strongest stocks as well. Rare combo. :)
More details will be coming soon about the PatPending new mechanical design.
Thanks!
Paul
Eurodriver
04-29-14, 17:57
The BCMGUNFIGHTER Stock will be one of the lightest stocks (yes), but ALSO one of the strongest stocks as well. Rare combo. :)
More details will be coming soon about the PatPending new mechanical design.
Thanks!
Paul
Good deal! Thanks for posting the info. Looking forward to getting my hands on one of these.
SilverBullet432
04-29-14, 18:14
The BCMGUNFIGHTER Stock will be one of the lightest stocks (yes), but ALSO one of the strongest stocks as well. Rare combo. :)
More details will be coming soon about the PatPending new mechanical design.
Thanks!
Paul
With all the new AR products hitting the market, I am going to have to hold off on any more purchases! A lot of good stuff coming out from everyone!!
Not really a fan of the looks, but BCM has yet to put out a product that I don't love so I definitely want to give it a shot.
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Sounds like the evil mind of ESK is at it again.
Quiet Riot
04-29-14, 18:43
Sounds like the evil mind of ESK is at it again.
That's exactly what I was thinking. That guy is really good at keeping his own secrets, too.
There is more going on with the stock than meets the eye.
Even my cursory look at that thing shows that it actually limits rotation, without making it complicated.
Snag free, otherwise simple lever; I'd still rather have an ACS-L with a ghetty welded rotation limiter, but for an OEM stock that is a bit of an improvement, even if it makes the new DD hardware look like a playboy model.
One thing that I really like about the B5 Bravo is that it works very well (for me) when wearing body armor. This new stock from BCM seems to have the same design so I will give this one a shot. Wolf Grey please :D
ForTehNguyen
04-29-14, 19:16
it was amusing seeing people using the jump to conclusions mat
just a scout
04-29-14, 19:19
I hate and despise Buffoni and BCM. Every time those guys come out with something, my wallet gets lighter than it already is. I have perfectly serviceable Magpul stocks on my rifles and I'm sure I'm going to be replacing them now. Thanks Paul.
MountainRaven
04-29-14, 19:30
BCM just posted this on their Facebook page. Same with Travis Haley, I think that's his blaster in the photo
G17 with INCOG, karambit, a WML with a dragonfly, and HSP/D3-style photography? Yeah, I'd say that's Haley's, alright.
Looks short, like the LWRCi stock. I hate the LWRCi stock because of how short it is. I wonder how long this thing will be fully extended.
G17 with INCOG, karambit, a WML with a dragonfly, and HSP/D3-style photography? Yeah, I'd say that's Haley's, alright.
G19 but otherwise agree
Moose-Knuckle
04-29-14, 19:57
At first glace it reminds me of the LWRC Compact stock. Interested to see the mechanics ie light but strong.
With the angle of the B5 Bravo (and now this new BCM stock) combined with the Gunfighter PG it really kicks the already zenith ergonomics of the AR up that much more.
Looks nice, I am in need of a new stock for an upcoming build.
Do I spy a pistol gas tube and .30 cal barrel?
The more the merrier says I. The more they various AR companies try to out-do one another the better the chance they'll come up with a combination of features that I really like. Maybe we'll even get a light weight durable stock with an UBR type cheek piece someday. There's something that would get my money
At first glace it reminds me of the LWRC Compact stock.
You just took a shit in this thread.
Moose-Knuckle
04-29-14, 20:35
You just took a shit in this thread.
Hah, if it helps I thought of you before I posted that. :jester:
make a fixed carbine length for A-5
G17 with INCOG, karambit, a WML with a dragonfly, and HSP/D3-style photography? Yeah, I'd say that's Haley's, alright.
Looks short, like the LWRCi stock. I hate the LWRCi stock because of how short it is. I wonder how long this thing will be fully extended.
Not unless he's a lefty now. That's a left hand holster. On the other hand maybe he knows of some kick ass way to carry with a left hand incog. Strategic cross draw maybe.
Looks= who cares?
If its strong and light, its gonna be good.
To me, it looks like the qd sling swivel can only go in horizontally, but I am most likely wrong. :)
Not unless he's a lefty now. That's a left hand holster. On the other hand maybe he knows of some kick ass way to carry with a left hand incog. Strategic cross draw maybe.
That flash light is setup for a right hander though. Also think Travis is going switch now lol. Check this picture out
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7374/13883963130_63cc0e338c_b.jpg
Not sure if I like this yet or not. My current build is aiming to be lightweight though so I'm curious to now how much this stock weighs. BCM says one of the lightest on the market? Lets see,
That flash light is setup for a right hander though. Also think Travis is going switch now lol. Check this picture out
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7374/13883963130_63cc0e338c_b.jpg
He's so damn adaptive you just never know anymore lol
ForTehNguyen
04-29-14, 22:01
hes shooting from the left side of a barrier (truck) thats a shoulder transition. Sling is over right shoulder like a right hander
SomeOtherGuy
04-29-14, 22:03
The shape looks so similar to the MOE SL stock... I can only conclude that is the magical one true shape of carbine buttstocks. The lever design looks really slick.
hes shooting from the left side of a barrier (truck) thats a shoulder transition. Sling is over right shoulder like a right hander
I was just being a smart allic. Lol but yes your right just a transition. On another note, anyone now what base plate that is on the mag?
wetidlerjr
04-30-14, 06:48
There is more going on with the stock than meets the eye.
C4And that would be...
I was just being a smart allic. Lol but yes your right just a transition. On another note, anyone now what base plate that is on the mag?
Mike Pannone's Mag Cap
http://www.ctt-solutions.com/product/mag-caps/
And that would be...
When we are allowed to say, we will.
C4
Personally do not like the looks of it.
Just my 2 cents
I'm sure it is well made they will probably sell thousands.
wetidlerjr
04-30-14, 09:50
When we are allowed to say, we will.
C4http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/wetidlerjr/SMILEYS/ALLRIGHT-1.jpg
Looks interesting, but I think I've already found my match made in heaven with the magpul STR. Perhaps in the future on a new purchase, if I can try one out beforehand.
Grant may have to keep mum, but I can speculate. I'm thinking the stock is extendable. Probably for storage access, not LOP. Note how the cheek weld portion forms a loop flush with the bottom of the lock release handle. Press up on handle and slide entire rear portion back. Further evidence is the top cheek surface that appears to fit under the rear section. Compare the seams with an STR or Sopmod. The only other reason for the zig-zag seam I can think of is one portion to be used in common with future styles.
Or not.
Yeah, not excited.
The SOPMOD stocks are fine. Too much change, too fast, ruins things.
You just took a shit in this thread.
I'm sorry, he just mistyped. He meant it looks like the Colt Compact stock.
Better? More accurate? You like that? :p
I don't like how it looks, but I also don't care how it looks. I'm interested in how it works.
http://www.30round.net/pics/bcmstockzoom.jpg
http://www.30round.net/pics/bcmstock.jpg
Interested to see the weight on these things. If it's lighter than my sopmod bravo I might give it a try.
Can it be confirmed or denied that there is any storage space?
Any chance this will be the updated ergonomic version of the N1 we all want?
Another shot from the rail thread:
KMR 15
https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t31.0-8/10012817_10152150426381317_417666370549862440_o.jpg
Can it be confirmed or denied that there is any storage space?
I don't see where there'd be much of any storage.
eternal24k
04-30-14, 11:45
I don't see much in terms of storage or aesthetics. I feel like this thread would have a very different vibe if it came from choate or even Magpul
I don't see much in terms of storage or aesthetics. I feel like this thread would have a very different vibe if it came from choate or even Magpul
Agreed. It's not dissimilar from the new Magpul stock that people are falling all over themselves about. I'm curious to hear more about it, but only because I need a new lower to accompany a spare upper.
theGOLDENchild
04-30-14, 12:24
This is perfect as I was just thinking my gun isn't front-heavy enough.
This is perfect as I was just thinking my gun isn't front-heavy enough.
:confused: Are you worried this stock will be too light and add to your front heavy problem?
Eurodriver
04-30-14, 15:13
This is perfect as I was just thinking my gun isn't front-heavy enough.
That's how they get you.
Release a KMR rail that weighs 7 ounces, then release a stock to go with it ;)
Specs of the rifle are on Travis Haley's Tumblr, that rifle has a Rainier 300 BO barrel on it, everything in the pic is labeled.
rifle has a Rainier 300 BO barrel on it,
That makes sense now... I was looking at that thing thinking... BCM doesn't make a 10.5 barrel...
ESK likes to make stocks that pass .Mil drop testing. With that in mind, I think we will see one of the lightest and strongest stocks on the market that will keep with competitors pricing numbers.
Looks are completely subjective and everyone likes what they like (can't please everyone). The stock is all about being snag free. Smooth lines and beveled edges are much more important than looks.
C4
ESK likes to make stocks that pass .Mil drop testing.
So it has a cypres unit that deploys a chute when a rifle is dropped? Gently lowering the weapon to a safe landing! Friggin genius!
I see it now! It's a two piece that pivots on the QD socket in the event of a blow to the toe of the stock.
The stock is interesting but can anyone identify the knife in the picture?
vicious_cb
04-30-14, 17:02
Not really sure why you need to make a stock ultra light weight. If anything I like having some weight in the rear of the rifle to balance out all the crap that eventually gets attached to the front of the rifle. What does it do that other stocks on the market do not?
I like the rubber cap on the end of the magazine.
ESK likes to make stocks that pass .Mil drop testing. With that in mind, I think we will see one of the lightest and strongest stocks on the market that will keep with competitors pricing numbers.
Looks are completely subjective and everyone likes what they like (can't please everyone). The stock is all about being snag free. Smooth lines and beveled edges are much more important than looks.
C4
Are you able to tell us whether or not it's long enough to fully collapse on a standard 7 position A5 receiver extension?
rapomstage3
04-30-14, 18:05
Is the whole underside a lever? Looks really long. I hope there's a lockout system on it.
Guys this stock ain't for everyone. This stock will be loved by many. Some will complain its too light, no storage, the cant on the butt pad is 5.5° too far forward, or whatever. Or why with all the other good stuff from B5, Vltor, & Magpul do we need it. BCM as usual always does their homework and I am sure it'll be a massive hit. Like always how about we wait until people get them in their hands before this thread delves off into 50+ pages of speculation.
-Jax
Not really sure why you need to make a stock ultra light weight. If anything I like having some weight in the rear of the rifle to balance out all the crap that eventually gets attached to the front of the rifle. What does it do that other stocks on the market do not?
The more weight you save, the more ammo you can carry. The heavier the optic, laser or light can be. Remove wait from non-critical items (rails, barrel, stock, etc) and add it to more important things (if you want).
C4
Are you able to tell us whether or not it's long enough to fully collapse on a standard 7 position A5 receiver extension?
Why do people even care about this? The A5 tube (long 7 position rail or short rail) is always 1 inch longer than a standard carbine RE so all you get from a "fully collapsing" stock on a 7 position A5 is an inch more of plastic upfront on the stock - it has almost no bearing on strength or anything for that matter.
Why do people even care about this? The A5 tube (long 7 position rail or short rail) is always 1 inch longer than a standard carbine RE so all you get from a "fully collapsing" stock on a 7 position A5 is an inch more of plastic upfront on the stock - it has almost no bearing on strength or anything for that matter.
I was wondering about that too.
Some guys CCW an M4 I guess.
The stock is interesting but can anyone identify the knife in the picture?
It's "the Colonel" from Invictus Alliance, I was interested in it as well, it's badass, but $400.
Some guys CCW an M4 I guess.
My trench coat is not only stylish, but practical too
Why do people even care about this? The A5 tube (long 7 position rail or short rail) is always 1 inch longer than a standard carbine RE so all you get from a "fully collapsing" stock on a 7 position A5 is an inch more of plastic upfront on the stock - it has almost no bearing on strength or anything for that matter.
I like the longer stocks because the junction between the stock front and tube is a little further forward, and thus more beard friendly, but that's obviously not a performance issue.
I like the longer stocks because the junction between the stock front and tube is a little further forward, and thus more beard friendly, but that's obviously not a performance issue.
I manage to get my beard in every stock out there.
Doc. Holiday
05-01-14, 11:12
Half of me likes the slim profile and the other half is kinda iffy. I would like to actually test it out before I complain or praise.
Half of me likes the slim profile and the other half is kinda iffy. I would like to actually test it out before I complain or praise.
That's ridiculous. Make a snap judgement and dig your heels in!!
Doc. Holiday
05-01-14, 11:15
That's ridiculous. Make a snap judgement and dig your heels in!!
Ok, I'll dig my heels in....GO LWRC!! ;-)
Why do people even care about this? The A5 tube (long 7 position rail or short rail) is always 1 inch longer than a standard carbine RE so all you get from a "fully collapsing" stock on a 7 position A5 is an inch more of plastic upfront on the stock - it has almost no bearing on strength or anything for that matter.
Because I prefer my face be on the stock rather than the tube.
Some guys CCW an M4 I guess.
Wait......you don't? LOL
I manage to get my beard in every stock out there.
Yes...it certainly doesn't eliminate the problem, for sure.
The more weight you save, the more ammo you can carry. The heavier the optic, laser or light can be. Remove wait from non-critical items (rails, barrel, stock, etc) and add it to more important things (if you want).
How much more ammo? Weight of stock doesn't necessarily translate into ammo load carrying, unless you're taking weight off the stock to carry a SureFire humongo mag, which isn't practical.
People have been adding lights, lasers, and optics just fine with the M4 stock, with LMT/B5 SOPMOD, and a gambit of Magpul models. There are 20yr old kids carrying 17lb SAWs with another 9lbs of ammo and optics on the gun, through the mountains and deserts for 15 miles, shoulder firing it at bad guys who are trying really hard to kill them (I still don't think anyone understands how different that is than taking a class) and carrying it back. Six ounces shaved off a stock is an extra pack of cigarettes in weight savings. It's peanuts.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all about innovation and improvement of designs. If this is somehow a more practical design (less sharp angles than the M4 stock, better locking than SOPMOD) then that should be enough to sell itself. But I'm not gonna gargle the gravy of my favorite manufacturer because they told me it's "a game changah". Improve the design, announce and release the product, let end user success be the marketing campaign instead of working a bunch of grown men up into a frenzy like a concert full of teenage girls.
Last thing on this, and it's not just happening in this thread. We once again have folks associated (not necessarily on payroll, but at the very least distributors) playing the "I know, but i can't tell you yet". That's like when someone tries or market their products by saying it's being used by "units that can't be named" to insinuate some super ninja unit. If you know but can't say anything, then don't say anything. Including confirming that you are in the know. And if a manufacturer can release information to a distributor, why not make it available to loyal customers?
" Six ounces shaved off a stock is an extra pack of cigarettes in weight savings"
What kind of cigs weigh 6 ounces per pack? GH
What kind of cigs weigh 6 ounces per pack? GH
Must be Paul Malls!?
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" Six ounces shaved off a stock is an extra pack of cigarettes in weight savings"
What kind of cigs weigh 6 ounces per pack? GH
The kind that put hair on your chest.
It's a way of saying non-essential items can be dropped before leaving weapon items. You don't NEED smokes, or your phone, or your triple offset flashlights. You do need ammo and a basic optic/sights.
I like the industry trend as a whole towards minimalism; I am willing to give this stock a try, though the B5 offerings (and even the new Magpul) work just great for me.
Obscenejesster
05-01-14, 16:53
The kind that put hair on your chest.
It's a way of saying non-essential items can be dropped before leaving weapon items. You don't NEED smokes, or your phone, or your triple offset flashlights. You do need ammo and a basic optic/sights.
I need my phone......:p
I need my phone......:p
I need my heavy smokes. We all have our vices ;)
People have been adding lights, lasers, and optics just fine with the M4 stock, with LMT/B5 SOPMOD, and a gambit of Magpul models. There are 20yr old kids carrying 17lb SAWs with another 9lbs of ammo and optics on the gun, through the mountains and deserts for 15 miles, shoulder firing it at bad guys who are trying really hard to kill them (I still don't think anyone understands how different that is than taking a class) and carrying it back. Six ounces shaved off a stock is an extra pack of cigarettes in weight savings. It's peanuts.
The game is weight saving now a days. Should people complain that their rifle is 6-9 lbs? No, not if they're healthy adult males. But if it does the same thing and weighs less, why wouldn't you pick the lighter option?
Most gun guys are out of shape.
6oz? Djarums?
How much more ammo? Weight of stock doesn't necessarily translate into ammo load carrying, unless you're taking weight off the stock to carry a SureFire humongo mag, which isn't practical.
People have been adding lights, lasers, and optics just fine with the M4 stock, with LMT/B5 SOPMOD, and a gambit of Magpul models. There are 20yr old kids carrying 17lb SAWs with another 9lbs of ammo and optics on the gun, through the mountains and deserts for 15 miles, shoulder firing it at bad guys who are trying really hard to kill them (I still don't think anyone understands how different that is than taking a class) and carrying it back. Six ounces shaved off a stock is an extra pack of cigarettes in weight savings. It's peanuts.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all about innovation and improvement of designs. If this is somehow a more practical design (less sharp angles than the M4 stock, better locking than SOPMOD) then that should be enough to sell itself. But I'm not gonna gargle the gravy of my favorite manufacturer because they told me it's "a game changah". Improve the design, announce and release the product, let end user success be the marketing campaign instead of working a bunch of grown men up into a frenzy like a concert full of teenage girls.
Last thing on this, and it's not just happening in this thread. We once again have folks associated (not necessarily on payroll, but at the very least distributors) playing the "I know, but i can't tell you yet". That's like when someone tries or market their products by saying it's being used by "units that can't be named" to insinuate some super ninja unit. If you know but can't say anything, then don't say anything. Including confirming that you are in the know. And if a manufacturer can release information to a distributor, why not make it available to loyal customers?
Post of the year...:rolleyes:
How much more ammo? Weight of stock doesn't necessarily translate into ammo load carrying, unless you're taking weight off the stock to carry a SureFire humongo mag, which isn't practical.
It isn't just the stock, it is the stock with the lightest rail with the lightest barrel, etc that give you a total package savings that really adds up. My BCM with a B5 Bravo stock, 14.5" pinned ELWF and KMR13 weight in at 5.12LBS!
People have been adding lights, lasers, and optics just fine with the M4 stock, with LMT/B5 SOPMOD, and a gambit of Magpul models. There are 20yr old kids carrying 17lb SAWs with another 9lbs of ammo and optics on the gun, through the mountains and deserts for 15 miles, shoulder firing it at bad guys who are trying really hard to kill them (I still don't think anyone understands how different that is than taking a class) and carrying it back. Six ounces shaved off a stock is an extra pack of cigarettes in weight savings. It's peanuts.
Can people carry lots of weight? Yes. Should they? No. Lite weight = Speed of movement.
The Military is big into weight saving as well. Talking with some Tier 1 guys, they down size all kinds of things in order to move faster.
Last thing on this, and it's not just happening in this thread. We once again have folks associated (not necessarily on payroll, but at the very least distributors) playing the "I know, but i can't tell you yet". That's like when someone tries or market their products by saying it's being used by "units that can't be named" to insinuate some super ninja unit. If you know but can't say anything, then don't say anything. Including confirming that you are in the know. And if a manufacturer can release information to a distributor, why not make it available to loyal customers?
When people were posting that this stock was no different than other offerings, I felt the need to step in and let folks know that there is more to the story. People just need to be patient and wait. My relationship with the owner of BCM is ENTIRELY different than a "loyal customer." If that makes you butthurt, stop reading what I write.
C4
I'm pretty disappointed by some of the responses I read here. Even more so when they aren't getting the bigger picture. The BCM line of products isn't just about branding. It's about a system approach to the AR. I think Grant spelled that out. What's funny is people complained about all AR companies doing the same old thing, the weight, etc... and then someone comes along and provides products, everyone wants to shit all over it. I understand why they are reluctant to talk about future stuff until it hits the shelves.
Paul routinely sends stuff to various people for testing, evaluation and feedback all the time. Some people get a little more access than others.
sinlessorrow
05-01-14, 21:19
I have only a few words to say.
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!!!!
Eurodriver
05-01-14, 21:26
Post of the year...:rolleyes:
"An open mind...have one." He makes a lot of good points.
I think there is a little bit of market AND marketing fatigue in our little world here. Too many accessories and too much operator marketing being thrown at us.
I die a little on the inside every time I read another ad blaring out "for when your life is on the line, real operators rely on XXXtacXXX, because ounces matter and speed is life." It's kinda overblown and this is not reality for 99.9% of us here whether we are copier salesmen, LEO and most military. It just isn't. Notice that picture of Haley shooting from behind the truck with all the cool guy gear he is paid to market - nobody is shooting back and it's kinda make believe at this point. When he was doing it for real he used a bushmaster rifle with ARMS rails all of us would laugh at.
If what I'm saying doesn't make sense then this 3:30 long video may help explain the problem... www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LsVWYS0mp4
That was operator as ****!!!
Please tone down the hype my OEM friends. OK?
How do you know that Travis is paid to market anything from BCM? You do realize that he has his own company that makes their own stuff (tactical gear and components) right?
Your comment is just more of the ignorance being displayed here.
I think there is a little bit of market AND marketing fatigue in our little world here. Too many accessories and too much operator marketing being thrown at us.
I die a little on the inside every time I read another ad blaring out "for when your life is on the line, real operators rely on XXXtacXXX, because ounces matter and speed is life." It's kinda overblown and this is not reality for 99.9% of us here whether we are copier salesmen, LEO and most military. It just isn't. Notice that picture of Haley shooting from behind the truck with all the cool guy gear he is paid to market - nobody is shooting back and it's kinda make believe at this point. When he was doing it for real he used a bushmaster rifle with ARMS rails all of us would laugh at.
If what I'm saying doesn't make sense then this 3:30 long video may help explain the problem... www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LsVWYS0mp4
That was operator as ****!!!
Please tone down the hype my OEM friends. OK?
MountainRaven
05-01-14, 22:26
If what I'm saying doesn't make sense then this 3:30 long video may help explain the problem... www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LsVWYS0mp4
That was operator as ****!!!
I've never really understood the criticism of that short film thing - except for the brief wall of text at the end of the credits about all the companies whose kit was used. If it had been a clip from a Michael Mann film, everybody would be talking about how awesome it is. Instead folks thrash it (and Chris Costa) because, er, I guess it's the hip thing to do.
So, Travis just takes sexy ass operator photos of himself and others all day out of the goodness of his heart?
But of course there is this - from Travis company website: http://www.haleystrategic.com/marketing.php
And a case study of a professional marketing campaign had did for BCM: http://www.haleystrategic.com/bravo_company.php
Sure looks like he does marketing in exchange for money - it's one of his lines of business... That's fine it's, a sort of Don Draper and Mad Men for guns and I dig it but....
Nevermind. You obviously know Paul, Travis and the marketing business better than I do. I supposed you know all the personal side of the relationships and other background info as well.
So, Travis just takes sexy ass operator photos of himself and others all day out of the goodness of his heart?
But of course there is this - from Travis company website: http://www.haleystrategic.com/marketing.php
And a case study of a professional marketing campaign had did for BCM: http://www.haleystrategic.com/bravo_company.php
Sure looks like he does marketing in exchange for money - it's one of his lines of business... That's fine it's, a sort of Don Draper and Mad Men for guns and I dig it but....
SilverBullet432
05-01-14, 22:35
So, Travis just takes sexy ass operator photos of himself and others all day out of the goodness of his heart?
But of course there is this - from Travis company website: http://www.haleystrategic.com/marketing.php
And a case study of a professional marketing campaign had did for BCM: http://www.haleystrategic.com/bravo_company.php
Sure looks like he does marketing in exchange for money - it's one of his lines of business... That's fine it's, a sort of Don Draper and Mad Men for guns and I dig it but....
Everyone's got money to make. Even if he gets paid, BCM makes top of the line stuff. Im sure Mr. Buffoni keeps quality at his core.
Nevermind. You obviously know Paul, Travis and the marketing business better than I do. I supposed you know all the personal side of the relationships and other background info as well.
It's entirely possible that Travis has done freebies for Paul based on personal friendship and very likely that they got an agreement in place to do a case study to be featured as an example of the work Travis can do for clients. Just by reading their site it's 100% clear that Haley Strategic is in part a marketing firm and they are in business to get paid to hype up and market gun stuff, that's cool but I'm not sure why you are looking to deny that.
From HSP site:
"Finding your story and telling it. The creative unit expresses your story through narrative and art; across film, video, websites and print. Bringing together our expertise in production with our expertise in tactical, HSP delivers unique production quality pieces that blend action and information in a compact and compelling package."
I have only a few words to say.
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!!!!
^WHAT HE SAID...
MountainRaven
05-01-14, 22:47
A healthy amount of skepticism is warranted whenever a new product comes out and the people endorsing the product are getting paid to do so.
That being said, I think it would be wise to wait until the damned thing gets into the wild before we decide that the people doing the endorsing are duplicitous bastids and the item in question doesn't exist to fill a niche but only exists to take money from the gullible and unaware and give it to the vile and self-obsessed.
(And lets be honest. Haley, Hackathorn, Vickers, Rogers, Panonne, et al. are pretty definitely not bastids (outside of training and fire fights, at least), few of BCM's customers are gullible and unaware, and Buffoni is pretty far from vile and self-obsessed.)
Everyone's got money to make. Even if he gets paid, BCM makes top of the line stuff. Im sure Mr. Buffoni keeps quality at his core.
Of course it's fine, I was just taken aback when IG seemed to suggest that Travis Haley somehow does this for free as a matter of course. Haley is an accomplished businessman and onetime CEO of Magpul so he isn't loosing money on any of this. And good for him it's how he earns his living.
And none of this should be taken as bashing BCM or Haley. Hell I've spent over a grand with BCM in the last 6 months and had a friend buy a BCM kmr upper and BCM lower from Grant at G&R for his first AR two weeks ago at my suggestion.
I just find it funny that anybody would suggest Haley isn't a professional marketer. :)
It isn't just the stock, it is the stock with the lightest rail with the lightest barrel, etc that give you a total package savings that really adds up. My BCM with a B5 Bravo stock, 14.5" pinned ELWF and KMR13 weight in at 5.12LBS!
Can people carry lots of weight? Yes. Should they? No. Lite weight = Speed of movement.
The Military is big into weight saving as well. Talking with some Tier 1 guys, they down size all kinds of things in order to move faster.
When people were posting that this stock was no different than other offerings, I felt the need to step in and let folks know that there is more to the story. People just need to be patient and wait. My relationship with the owner of BCM is ENTIRELY different than a "loyal customer." If that makes you butthurt, stop reading what I write.
C4
My butt isn't hurt. Don't take it personal.
The first point you make is an impressive weight. That's all there is to it. It's great that there's an option if someone is going to pick out every product in order to cut down every little bit, and as I said before, it's probably for somebody but not for me.
As to your point about light weight - light speed, I'm familiar with the concept. I won't speak for "Tier 1" guys, but not far down the Tower Of Tiers (that's a joke) others have done that too. And there's ways to do it by without replacing items that already work fine on your rifle, but if this stock helps anyone, awesome.
Now the part where you think I'm butt hurt in some way, I really was asking why this approach is ok. In many lines of work, including some of those of the membership here, there's a trust between all involved the creation and release of a product that includes not leaking out anything until everything is ready to launch. Ask your Tier One friends how many of them refute the myriad of claims on the internet about operations they were/are involved in. Or ask someone at Chevy if they refute claims about new models of car coming out before it gets released. So that was my question, why is it ok here? If you want to defend a product that's cool, and I suppose your first hand knowledge gives you the verified source. I just don't understand it but that's my problem. And I get it, you're more than just a customer.
I'll still read what you write even if I disagree with it. I guess I just won't join a discussion if I have a dissenting opinion.
I'm pretty disappointed by some of the responses I read here. Even more so when they aren't getting the bigger picture. The BCM line of products isn't just about branding. It's about a system approach to the AR. I think Grant spelled that out. What's funny is people complained about all AR companies doing the same old thing, the weight, etc... and then someone comes along and provides products, everyone wants to shit all over it. I understand why they are reluctant to talk about future stuff until it hits the shelves.
Paul routinely sends stuff to various people for testing, evaluation and feedback all the time. Some people get a little more access than others.
I don't see too many people shitting on the stock. Not the line of rifles or products, but this stock. I've seen some ask if it was necessary, or if it offered anything that isn't already out there. Maybe instead of shitting on it, their questions and comments were born of curiosity? I know mine were. Making informed decisions is what this forum is all about. If manufacturers are reluctant to talk about upcoming products, that's on them. And if they want to talk about it, they could release information about it to clear up any misconceptions.
I know it's not just the brand they're selling, but some folks won't even look past that. If they assume everything BCM makes is as good as it gets, that's great. If they want to know more, they ask.
If Paul does his thing, he runs his own show. Does he have testers sign NDAs and is mentioning or acknowledging features of product a breach of the NDA?
The game is weight saving now a days. Should people complain that their rifle is 6-9 lbs? No, not if they're healthy adult males. But if it does the same thing and weighs less, why wouldn't you pick the lighter option?
Most gun guys are out of shape.
6oz? Djarums?
I don't mind less weight. I was simply contesting the point that the amount of weight savings would ultimately allow someone to use an optic/laser they couldn't otherwise, and this isn't really the case. If you need an optic or laser, you use it. Now if you are trying to make a really light rifle that balances nicely on your kitchen floor, then sure, buy the lightest things you can find.
If someone isn't in shape, maybe they should make that their focus. Look, it also reduces overall weight! Double win!
I think my cigarettes are heavy because I soak them in formaldehyde. Which is probably why I would dare question a product from BCM...;)
Eurodriver
05-02-14, 06:51
It isn't just the stock, it is the stock with the lightest rail with the lightest barrel, etc that give you a total package savings that really adds up. My BCM with a B5 Bravo stock, 14.5" pinned ELWF and KMR13 weight in at 5.12LBS!
C4
My 11.5" LW w/ 10" KMR, CTR Stock, F/R Troy BUIS, and Surefire M300 in an IWC mount comes in at 6.00lbs.
At 3.4oz for the sights, 0.8oz for the QD Sling mount, and 5oz for the Surefire and mount...it comes out to ~5lbs 7oz with just the lower and upper.
How is your rifle with a heavier stock, longer barrel, flash hider, and rail 5 oz less?
My 11.5" LW w/ 10" KMR, CTR Stock, F/R Troy BUIS, and Surefire M300 in an IWC mount comes in at 6.00lbs.
At 3.4oz for the sights, 0.8oz for the QD Sling mount, and 5oz for the Surefire and mount...it comes out to ~5lbs 7oz with just the lower and upper.
How is your rifle with a heavier stock, longer barrel, flash hider, and rail 5 oz less?
LOL....."light weight" fight!!!
Some folks are just better off writing clarification letters to the ATF. At least they'd be annoying a corrupt agency rather than making retarded posts in a buttstock thread on the gun forum.
My 11.5" LW w/ 10" KMR, CTR Stock, F/R Troy BUIS, and Surefire M300 in an IWC mount comes in at 6.00lbs.
At 3.4oz for the sights, 0.8oz for the QD Sling mount, and 5oz for the Surefire and mount...it comes out to ~5lbs 7oz with just the lower and upper.
How is your rifle with a heavier stock, longer barrel, flash hider, and rail 5 oz less?
We to make sure we are matching apples to apples. I do not have a light or a sling on it. The sights are the Magpul PRO's.
C4
Eurodriver
05-02-14, 07:43
We to make sure we are matching apples to apples. I do not have a light or a ling on it. The sights are the Magpul PRO's.
C4
Without all of those items (sights too) my rifle it is 5lbs 7oz.
I'm not calling you out: this might explain why I wasnt blown away by the 11.5" weight and everyone who has the 14.5" ELW is ranting and raving. I would love to weigh a 14.5" ELW and standard 11.5" LW side by side.
But I digress. I am getting too off track for this thread.
Without all of those items (sights too) my rifle it is 5lbs 7oz.
I'm not calling you out: this might explain why I wasnt blown away by the 11.5" weight and everyone who has the 14.5" ELW is ranting and raving. I would love to weigh a 14.5" ELW and standard 11.5" LW side by side.
But I digress. I am getting too off track for this thread.
The ELWF DOES save around 6oz I think. So that is why you can be close to a much shorter gun.
C4
Lots of butt hurt in this thread.
Lots of butt hurt in this thread.
Sure is, and I don't really understand why? The multiple configurations that have come to light lately have all for the most part been of top quality; it isn't as if we are debating NC Star Keymod vs. UTG M-Lok!
Color me confused as well. Not sure why people get their panties in a bunch over BCM making a component. Every non BCM part you stick on your rifle is money lost to BCM. Why would it surprise anyone that a company intent on making money is doing things that enable that goal. Who cares if they are the first or the 100000001st manufacturer? All we should give a crap about is if it's quality gear. Given BCM's trend I'd guesstimate that this will be as good as the rest of their products.
Why are we complaining about another quality stock to choose from.
Lots of butt hurt in this thread.
No good deed goes unpunished.... ESPECIALLY in the gun realm.
I'm butt hurt because a few months ago I was DONE spending money on AR stuff... Then BravoCompany roped me back in.
Darn BCM with their evil marketing prowess.....busting budgets since 2005!!
If this stock had been released as the "Vltor aMod" stock this would have been a very different thread.
If this stock had been released as the "Vltor aMod" stock this would have been a very different thread.
In what way? More or Less positive?
In what way? More or Less positive?
Thundering applause positive. "Will they sell an A5 kit with it?"
Thundering applause positive. "Will they sell an A5 kit with it?"
Man.... I think BCM has a more loyal following than Vltor. But both companies produce solid products.. and I wouldn't expect to get a nonsense item from either.... That's why I was unclear what you meant.
It's days like this that make me realize how much we needed Army Chief
Eurodriver
05-02-14, 15:22
I'm butt hurt because a few months ago I was DONE spending money on AR stuff... Then BravoCompany roped me back in.
That ain't no joke man. Here I was totally content, and next thing you know I'm buying a KMR Upper, few more BCM Grips, a Mod0 Comp, and now I'm actually on BCM's wait-list for a VG KM.
That doesn't include the non-BCM stuff to go with it (MI Rail panels, IWC accessories, sling, Surefires).
This stupid stock may be what makes me grab a stripped lower out of the reserve-stash and build another complete AR.
That ain't no joke man. Here I was totally content, and next thing you know I'm buying a KMR Upper, few more BCM Grips, a Mod0 Comp, and now I'm actually on BCM's wait-list for a VG KM.
A few months ago, Iraqgunz was on the phone with me talking about this KMR upper/rail.... I was thinking to myself, "what the hell is he talking about?... who is KMR? I don't need any new AR shit!" I thought KMR was a new company.
I like bomb-proof parts. I like parts to be as light as possible. I like parts that make me more accurate. Finally, I like good-looking stuff. I also like to hate on magpul because every mall-ninja has a sticker on his truck and a shit-ton of magpul plastic on their guns they can't shoot.
This thing, the new BCM stock, is hideous, but form follows function.
I'm the guy that buys stuff like an IMOD and then fills it with batteries, a cam pin, firing pin, puts an extra bolt in the grip, and all the rest wondering how my LW CARBINE ends up weighing close to ten pounds.
I've been having issues with a few different stocks' latches getting bumped shooting in funky positions when shooting with a rear sand bag for long shots---the position of the Magpul MOE/CTR latch has started reeling me back in after using SOPMOD and VLTOR stocks for a while. I'm finding myself liking the weight, too--damn Magpul being practical despite my inhibitions against them. I actually HAVE noticed a few ounces of weight savings on my gear since we've been running courses up and down a hill five and six times in an afternoon. At the end of the day, I'm spent. My rifle equipped with a 14.5" DD LW middy, 12.0 Lite rail, WML, DBAL, Aimpoint T1, VLTOR IMOD, DD sights feels heavy as HELL by dark. And I'm a fairly strong guy.
I just assembled a different rifle with a KMR replacing a DD Lite rail and I'm digging it, though I haven't got to use it much.
I'm thinking BCM is brilliant. Its not about any ONE part being revolutionary, but the combination of parts following a theme to produce an overall better weapon. While each individual part may not be for everybody, it advances the AR. Being a guy resistant to change and fearing my stuff is going to break (which I have a tendency to break EVERYTHING---including bolt-actions), I am very drawn to some of these new products from BCM. The Gunfighter charge handles are BRILLIANT and I feel like I'm going to break every GI charge handle I touch now.
So let's reserve judgement until there are some floating around that we can actually try ourselves. If you're tired of marketing and don't want to spend money, that's fine too. We've all got stuff that WORKS for us already. Don't get mad because somebody is trying to improve things.
I'm curious if an 14.5" mid-length ELW barrel combined with a KMR-13, and a good light stock that won't crap out may be the ticket for me. It could offset the weight of my DBAL and white light and IR light combination. Perhaps it will even offset the weight of throwing a 1-6x on it and I can have a more versatile rifle without the weight penalty.
Some folks are just better off writing clarification letters to the ATF. At least they'd be annoying a corrupt agency rather than making retarded posts in a buttstock thread on the gun forum.
Nice.
I like the stock and plan on buying one. You'll have to forgive me for asking questions, I'll be sure to remember that it's retarded before I ask anything in the future. Good luck with writing to the ATF, I'm sure if enough people write and explain how the pistol stock can be used like an SBR, they'll reverse their decision. That's what you're going for I assume?
SeriousStudent
05-02-14, 21:04
Enough with the bickering and smartasstic remarks.
Dial it back or it will be dialed back for you.
Enough with the bickering and smartasstic remarks.
Dial it back or it will be dialed back for you.
Solid copy.
Sorry for the major derail everyone. I should have been more professional or saved my remarks for another thread. I wish BCM the best with this, and look forward to more innovation from every manufacturer in the market.
Markm, I owe you an apology too. No reason for me to be snappy or take things further. We probably all have more in common than we know. Hope you can accept my apology, take care and stay safe in your line of work.
Looking forward to seeing everyone's reviews when they get theirs in the mail. Still trying to figure out if I'll paint it or not...
I'm just sad its not out yet..
Interested in seeing if I can replace my B5 with it though. I'm loving my KMR set up so far..
I'm just sad its not out yet...
Me too. I have on lower just missing a stock. I'm going to try one of these out for sure.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/05/04/bravo-companys-bcm-gunfighter-stock/
Many pretty pictures, a few cutaways.
Quiet Riot
05-04-14, 14:10
It's much better looking from those angles than I thought it was from the Haley pics. You can see the purpose of the shape better from the 3/4 front angle most of all.
Nice pics. I can't wait.
Going to give up your fixed carbine stocks? :)
Going to give up your fixed carbine stocks? :)
No. I still have that on my 10.5 SBR. That thing is bomb proof.
ForTehNguyen
05-04-14, 14:37
from firearms blog
The BCM Gunfighter Stock is a bit smaller and slimmer than the full size collapsible stock. Weighing in at just 7.5 ounces, the BCM Gunfighter Stock is significantly lighter than both the Vltor EMod’s 13.7 oz weight and the 10.7 oz. B5 Systems Enhanced SOPMOD. - See more at: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/05/04/bravo-companys-bcm-gunfighter-stock/#sthash.1rcV2Anh.dpuf
Kind of interested in replacing my MOE stock with this, same weight, but I want the tight lockup and that QD socket
So it's 3/4 oz lighter than a B5 Bravo. Hmmm
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Rayrevolver
05-04-14, 14:59
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/05/04/bravo-companys-bcm-gunfighter-stock/
Many pretty pictures, a few cutaways.
Thanks for this article.
I like what BCM is doing with the KMR, this stock, and the ELW barrels. I switched to a MFT Minimalist (6.0 oz) from the B5 Bravo (8.9 oz) purely to see if the weight made a difference. I think anything that moves the CG to the middle of the rifle is a good thing. From an engineering standpoint they are taking a look at places where they can gain efficiency. This is a good thing for the industry.
This BCM stock splits the difference in weight at 7.5 oz. Its affordable and looks to be well designed. I will for sure try one at $60 down the road.
BCM koolaid tastes good so far.
Nice pics. I can't wait.
Put me in this category as well. If the quoted $60 from the article holds BCM won't be able to mold them fast enough.
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Thanks for this article.
I like what BCM is doing with the KMR, this stock, and the ELW barrels. I switched to a MFT Minimalist (6.0 oz) from the B5 Bravo (8.9 oz) purely to see if the weight made a difference. I think anything that moves the CG to the middle of the rifle is a good thing. From an engineering standpoint they are taking a look at places where they can gain efficiency. This is a good thing for the industry.
This BCM stock splits the difference in weight at 7.5 oz. Its affordable and looks to be well designed. I will for sure try one at $60 down the road.
BCM koolaid tastes good so far.
I used to drink the Noveske koolaid, but that BCM flavor is starting to taste mighty fine!
jasonhgross
05-04-14, 16:13
Big advantage looks like it has a hidden/recessed/other method pin that locks into the receiver extension. Since this is the vulnerable part in a drop, can only be a good thing.
Put me in this category as well. If the quoted $60 from the article holds BCM won't be able to mold them fast enough.
It's priced competitive, that's for sure. May be a few manufacturing advantages to the new locking system.
Obscenejesster
05-04-14, 17:23
You can say it looks ugly all you want but it appears as if BCM did their homework here. The locking mechanism appears to be better than any other stock I've seen. Glad they have a patent on it as well so that slimy company (not going to name them) can't steal it.
So it's 3/4 oz lighter than a B5 Bravo. Hmmm
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I have no real issues with the Bravo stocks I own, other than a slight bit of rattle on A5 extensions; funny how it has never really bothered me until something like this gets released.
Am I the only one that is never bothered by stock wobble? I hardly notice it when I'm shooting. It does look like a nice stock though, I actually like the aesthetics.
Its growing more and more on me. It is gonna be a stout piece.
You can say it looks ugly all you want but it appears as if BCM did their homework here. The locking mechanism appears to be better than any other stock I've seen. Glad they have a patent on it as well so that slimy company (not going to name them) can't steal it.
Honestly, I think it looks better than the new Magpul or either of the MFT options. But any of these newer stocks will take some getting used to.
Obscenejesster
05-05-14, 07:08
Honestly, I think it looks better than the new Magpul or either of the MFT options. But any of these newer stocks will take some getting used to.
I agree. I like the lines. For some reason it reminds me a little of a SCAR stock. I know they look nothing alike, it just for some reason reminds me of one.
BCM just never ceases to amaze me. Other companies are designing new stocks but they are basically just creating new external designs. BCM not only created a new stock but they took it a step further and created a new internal system over the traditional single pin system. They are really out to win customers over on the operation and performance aspect rather than the appearance aspect.
I am looking forward to video of how the latch works.
Obscenejesster
05-05-14, 07:30
I am looking forward to video of how the latch works.
I don't know if you saw it but you can see some pictures here.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/05/04/bravo-companys-bcm-gunfighter-stock/
10 pages spawned from a couple pics...and some are surprised by the speculation. That's what happens when teases are dropped with no additional detail.
Looking forward to hearing more...
Obscenejesster
05-05-14, 08:01
10 pages spawned from a couple pics...and some are surprised by the speculation. That's what happens when teases are dropped with no additional detail.
Looking forward to hearing more...
Guess you didn't read all 10 pages of posts?
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/05/04/bravo-companys-bcm-gunfighter-stock/
No big guy, I did. That link was posted when I was posting.
ETA: I missed the link from 18 hours ago. Ban me.
ETA: I missed the link from 18 hours ago. Ban me.
Pull it together, Man!!! Get your head back in the game.
Pull it together, Man!!! Get your head back in the game.
I know man. I need to start taking notes again :suicide2:
SeriousStudent
05-05-14, 21:39
Let's lower the temperature, shall we?
Are you serious? We're joking around.
Beaver2334
05-11-14, 00:00
Nice, Bravo company puts some great stuff. They are a tad-ugly, but that isn't what matters on a tool.
Looking forward to trying one out!
I don't think it's ugly at all. The pics in the original post on this thread make it look BIG. But the article showed it to be smaller than a SOPMOD.
I hope this new stock drops the used emod price down to $25 shipped.
I hope this new stock drops the used emod price down to $25 shipped.
Hey, hey, hey, hey! Let's ease up with the crazy talk here. I'm gonna be trying to sell one of those once I pick up a new BCM.
Looking forward to getting my hands on one as well as the new moe-sl stock.
SeriousStudent
05-11-14, 21:04
Are you serious? We're joking around.
My apologies. The sarcasm alarm went off, and I mistook it for the butthurt sensor.
That's the problem with getting old and deaf, all this electronical stuff starts sounding alike.
Berserkr556
05-12-14, 12:01
I'm a hardcore B5 Systems SOPMOD stock guy but I really like the look of the BCM stock and I'll definitely buy one for my next build.
My stocks are all out of whack. I need to move my SOPMOD off of the KMR ELW. It makes the gun ass heavy. I have a B5 Bravo stock on the suppressed gun which is nose heavy.
When this comes out, I'm going to match stocks to upper so they're all better balanced.
My stocks are all out of whack. I need to move my SOPMOD off of the KMR ELW. It makes the gun ass heavy. I have a B5 Bravo stock on the suppressed gun which is nose heavy.
When this comes out, I'm going to match stocks to upper so they're all better balanced.
I do that. I have mostly IMOD stocks which balance well with most setups, but use a SOPMOD on my 10.5 which usually has a KAC brick on the end. The little extra weight seems to help.
I"ll be putting 2 on my Sbr's that currently have Sopmods.
MountainRaven
05-12-14, 17:23
I might have missed it (and I apologize if I did) but are they going to do these stocks (and the pistol grips) in Wolf Gray?
I might have missed it (and I apologize if I did) but are they going to do these stocks (and the pistol grips) in Wolf Gray?
yes, all their accessories will be in that color.
I think it is a conspiracy... BCM is stepping up their efforts to clean out bank account. M4 upper receiver - Got my money. KMR - Got my money twice. BCM Grip - Got my money twice so far. Not to mention the complete uppers I bought previously... And ALL the BCM BCGs, and parts.
And now a new light weight stock... Here just take my wallet I cannot resist good stuff.
I do that. I have mostly IMOD stocks which balance well with most setups, but use a SOPMOD on my 10.5 which usually has a KAC brick on the end. The little extra weight seems to help.
I moved my IMOD over last night. Much better. That SOPMOD is on the endangered Species list. The only reason I liked it was extra batteries on the gun, and I keep a pelican case with batteries in my deployment bag anyway.
It's funny. We worry about weight of a gun, the. Strap a TQ, extra batteries and spare parts all over the damn things. Our nature I guess...
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We worry about weight of a gun
I never was a big light weight fruit... but when you have a light upper and a boat anchor stock... it really throws stuff off.
I still have my BCM SOCOM gun. It weighs much more, but is balanced pretty good, so you don't immediately hate it.
JoeStrummer
05-13-14, 08:53
Given my past experience using BCM products I would imagine the forethought, quality and reliability of this stock is no different then the forethought, quality, and reliability of their other products.
I can see giving one or two a try.
Given my past experience using BCM products I would imagine the forethought, quality and reliability of this stock is no different then the forethought, quality, and reliability of their other products.
I can see giving one or two a try.
Well that's a piss poor attitude! ;)
MountainRaven
05-16-14, 00:23
yes, all their accessories will be in that color.
Excellent.
Do we have an ETA?
dramabeats
05-16-14, 01:22
I never was a big light weight fruit... but when you have a light upper and a boat anchor stock... it really throws stuff off.
I still have my BCM SOCOM gun. It weighs much more, but is balanced pretty good, so you don't immediately hate it.
will the B5 bravo balance well on a ELW KMR 14.5 upper? I just got one and I'm not a fan of the BCM's looks but I can deal if need be.
Also might run a light on the front but thats about it.
jukeboxx13
05-16-14, 01:35
I just got myself a B5 Bravo, and was looking at the MFT minimalist, and now BCM drops this.
Damn, but glad for all the options.
Markm, I'm surprised that you find the SOPMOD to be heavy/throw off the balance of your KMR-equipped carbine.
I never was a big light weight fruit... but when you have a light upper and a boat anchor stock... it really throws stuff off.
I still have my BCM SOCOM gun. It weighs much more, but is balanced pretty good, so you don't immediately hate it.
Maybe I am weird, but I am running my elw KMR on a lower with a UBR stock, it does not get much heavier then those, and I kind of like the balance being ass heavy I guess. Fat bottom girls make the rocking world go round for me I guess lol
I am tempted to build up a lower with an A5 RE (never used one yet) and this stock to see how I would like that setup. I will say though, as much as the UBR weights, I do love the cheekweld that the stock gives.
Rayrevolver
05-16-14, 06:41
I just got myself a B5 Bravo, and was looking at the MFT minimalist, and now BCM drops this.
Damn, but glad for all the options.
I use both the B5 Bravo and MFT Minimalist. The MFT is nice because it is light, but I shoot NTCH and its sharp right where my jaw is. The MFT will live on a 22LR and I will use the B5 until the BCM comes out.
I traded my LMT SOPMOD for 2x VLTOR A5 kits.
It's funny. We worry about weight of a gun, the. Strap a TQ, extra batteries and spare parts all over the damn things. Our nature I guess...
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If we cut down the weight of the stock, barrel, rail, etc, we then can add better glass, lasers, lights, etc.
I never put spare parts or batteries in any of the compartments inside my AR.
C4
will the B5 bravo balance well on a ELW KMR 14.5 upper?
The B5 stock would be good.
Markm, I'm surprised that you find the SOPMOD to be heavy/throw off the balance of your KMR-equipped carbine.
I did. I was pretty bad, in fact. The IMOD is feeling much better.
Maybe I am weird, but I am running my elw KMR on a lower with a UBR stock, it does not get much heavier then those, and I kind of like the balance being ass heavy I guess. Fat bottom girls make the rocking world go round for me I guess lol
I'm used to carrying my rifles at the delta ring. That's where the imbalance drives me nuts the most.
Beaver2334
05-18-14, 00:53
We have a release date for these bad boys?
Bumped in hope of some news.
Bumped in hope of some news.
According to BCM's response on TOS,
"Shooting for mid to late summer.
Still in final phases of T&E with BCM Gunfighters.
Thanks!"
I like it, i shot Frank Proctor's for a couple different drills in class, i use the B5 stock, my rifle is parked next to his. I believe its lighter, his gun feels a little lighter than mine and more balanced, but he has a elw barrel. (I have a BFH lightweight, MI rail is only like .5 oz heavier than a kmr, flashlights and irons are probably similar in weight, i do have a 2oz gripstop on my gun though and our optics are probably close in same weight, not sure if eotech exps 3 or whatever compared to my aimpoint pro)
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If this stock doesn't come out soon, I'm just going to have to wait longer.
Wish I did not live in state that required a stock to be pinned. Would love to try one of these out.
If this stock doesn't come out soon, I'm just going to have to wait longer.
Har, I am down for a FDE myself; curious to see how it will interface with the A5 tube, pretty sure it won't fully collapse.
i'm willing to bet that large lever bracing up against the rear of the of the stock has something to do with it being "special". Probably makes it as strong or stronger than a ubr when it comes to drop tests.
Beaver2334
07-22-14, 00:04
If this stock doesn't come out soon, I'm just going to have to wait longer.
Me too! Can't wait to try one out!
What a time to be in on the AR-15 platform. Product ergonomics, quality, and value, are steadily rising. I remember just a few short years ago, I decided to "upgrade" my 6920 with the Magpul MOE furniture. Went to my LGS to be fitted out with the MOE gear. After taking off the M4 buttstock, handguards, and A-2 grip, I asked the owner how much he thought I could get for the takeoffs. He chuckled and pointed me to a bin that was loaded with a whole bunch of the same takeoffs with a big sign on the bin, "Free AR-15 Furniture. Please take as much as you want"! We're already seeing that today with the deep discounts on older grips, buis, quad rails, handguards, stocks, magazines, etc. A guy can put together a pretty damn good fighting rifle with the "older but still good" gear that's being relegated to the "clearance bin". And to think, it's only going to get better. Excuse me while I go down to the LGS and rummage around the "bin"!
i'm willing to bet that large lever bracing up against the rear of the of the stock has something to do with it being "special". Probably makes it as strong or stronger than a ubr when it comes to drop tests.
The lever configuration has nothing to do with the significant boost in strength we've achieved. But exactly how we did that will have to wait until we get some units out there ;)
Before anyone asks: no, I don't have an ETA.
MILSPEC556
07-22-14, 13:31
The lever configuration has nothing to do with the significant boost in strength we've achieved. But exactly how we did that will have to wait until we get some units out there ;)
Before anyone asks: no, I don't have an ETA.
Hopefully soon. I have your SOCOM 14.5 pinned/welded upper on the way as we speak. Along with an ambi mod44. She may be sporting one of these at some point :cool:
Hopefully soon. I have your SOCOM 14.5 pinned/welded upper on the way as we speak. Along with an ambi mod44. She may be sporting one of these at some point :cool:
Wish I could say. It will definitely be worth the wait.
Wish I could say. It will definitely be worth the wait.
Can you tell a fellow cheesehead? I could swing by & you could whisper it to me.
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Can you tell a fellow cheesehead? I could swing by & you could whisper it to me.
I don't think Phreakish is a cheesehead. You just got bumped to the back of the line.
I don't think Phreakish is a cheesehead. You just got bumped to the back of the line.
Markm is right, not a cheesehead.
I don't think Phreakish is a cheesehead. You just got bumped to the back of the line.
Crap, that's a long line. I had assumed he was in Hartland, WI.
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Markm is right, not a cheesehead.
Admit it. You secretly want to be.
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Admit it. You secretly want to be.
We'd have to drop him on his head 5 times for him to qualify! :sarcastic: KIDDING!!! KIDDING!!!
We'd have to drop him on his head 5 times for him to qualify! :sarcastic: KIDDING!!! KIDDING!!!
That's not totally off base. Probably just closer to 2 or 3 times.
:D
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Beautiful San Clemente by the Pacific Ocean.....
skijunkie55
07-30-14, 07:34
Bumping back to the first page...
Got my email notifications on and am ready to order this thing!
Beaver2334
08-03-14, 01:46
Did I miss out on these? The website shows them out of stock…….or are they just prepping for a release soon!?
.45's and .38's
08-03-14, 02:03
It has been out of stock for a while
It has been out of stock for a while
was never in stock. They have yet to be released. End of summer last I heard
was never in stock. They have yet to be released. End of summer last I heard
This ^^
richiecotite
08-03-14, 05:58
Watched the movie Snowpiercer last night, they had a couple of AR's that had stocks that eerily similar to the bcm stock.
Subtle product placement?
Skijunkie55's poorly worded post misled me too. ;)
He meant he put his notify me in place for when the stock is available.... not that he got a notification of availability.
skijunkie55
08-03-14, 16:17
Skijunkie55's poorly worded post misled me too. ;)
He meant he put his notify me in place for when the stock is available.... not that he got a notification of availability.
This. So sorry :p
If this stock doesn't come out soon, I'm just going to have to wait longer.
i have 3 rifles to finish up and they are waiting on the bcm stocks.lol
Moose-Knuckle
08-04-14, 01:34
Watched the movie Snowpiercer last night, they had a couple of AR's that had stocks that eerily similar to the bcm stock.
Subtle product placement?
I've been waiting to see that movie for awhile now, I saw the trailer about a year ago.
Beat Trash
08-04-14, 08:33
i have 3 rifles to finish up and they are waiting on the bcm stocks.lol
I'm waiting on the new stock to ship also. I've also been waiting for their covers for the KMR rail to actually ship.
Not sure how much longer I'm willing to wait though.
I'm waiting on the new stock to ship also. I've also been waiting for their covers for the KMR rail to actually ship.
Not sure how much longer I'm willing to wait though.
I have seen this stock in the flesh...... Wait for it.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/141.jpg
For those of you who have seen it in person, is the sling swivel locked in this position and unable to rotate at all? It looks that way from the pic but maybe I'm missing something.
I have seen this stock in the flesh...... Wait for it.
Seen it AND shouldered it, c'mon man give us a bit more!
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/141.jpg
For those of you who have seen it in person, is the sling swivel locked in this position and unable to rotate at all? It looks that way from the pic but maybe I'm missing something.
I don't know and I could kick myself because I attach my sling on the right side of the stock and it wraps around my shoulder. I totally forgot to check that out. If it isn't rotation limited, this stock may not work for some of my applications.
Seen it AND shouldered it, c'mon man give us a bit more!
I really can't say much else and honestly, I didn't study it as well as I should have. I will say that the stock belonged to one of BCM's Gunfighters.
I will say that this stock is the only collapsable stock that will pass the .mil mortar test because of the brilliant design of the latch. So it is just as strong as it is light.
I don't know and I could kick myself because I attach my sling on the right side of the stock and it wraps around my shoulder. I totally forgot to check that out. If it isn't rotation limited, this stock may not work for some of my applications.
Just from looking at the picture I would guess it's rotation limited simply because the sling swivel can't rotate due to the recessed area it's in. I'm all for a rotation limited sling point, but personally I would prefer it was 90° to what's shown in the pic.
I guess I'm in the minority here, but I love the aesthetics of the stock. Not that I give a ship.
I'll try it out on the beater/testing/training/KISS carbine that I'm building with the BCM 16" middy upper I just bought with the free bcg.
I was going to go with another b5 bravo, but because this is a new design from my favorite manufacturer, I'll see if I can break it. [emoji33]
black22rifle
08-06-14, 02:27
what kind of cheek weld is this suppose to provide something similar to a STR/b5 or more like and ACS?
I'd say it looks pretty promising. Good stuff BCM.
I'm not a fan of the looks but being a BCM fan, looking forward to seeing it in person.
what kind of cheek weld is this suppose to provide something similar to a STR/b5 or more like and ACS?
I've never understood this.... And I may have a weird shaped head ;) .... but every AR stock feels the same to me... be it a SOPMOD or and A1 Fixed stock. And I say this becase the comb of the stock is always the same height due to the limitation of the charging handle clearance requirement.
I can never get my weight onto the comb... rather I just use the side of my jaw pressed sideways to the left side of the stock and go NTCH for consistency.
I've never understood this.... And I may have a weird shaped head ;) .... but every AR stock feels the same to me... be it a SOPMOD or and A1 Fixed stock. And I say this becase the comb of the stock is always the same height due to the limitation of the charging handle clearance requirement.
I can never get my weight onto the comb... rather I just use the side of my jaw pressed sideways to the left side of the stock and go NTCH for consistency.
Same with me. Just for shits n giggles I just shouldered my rifle and found the exact same to be true for me. When I actually got a solid cheek weld on my sopmod, I was looking under my acog through my larue mount lol
Yep... when I get an ideal cheek weld on an AR, I'm way below the irons or any sight system.
The PRS does work good for SPRish set ups. Pappabear runs one, and it's nice to be able to raise that comb.
Moose-Knuckle
08-06-14, 14:55
I think a lot of people do over analyze cheek weld, I personally find that it is more of a ergonomics preference for me.
I'm with you there, I rock Polish Beryl folding stocks on most of my Kalashnikovs, shooting a .30 caliber rifle with a wire stock makes one look at thigns a little differently.
The PRS does work good for SPRish set ups. Pappabear runs one, and it's nice to be able to raise that comb.
I personally hate the heavy clunky thing but it's the only one that works with bid scopes, unfortunately.
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